Is Premeditation Pending?
At the end of January of this year I ran on to a myspace that I believe was created by Casey Anthony. I first posted about this myspace at AboveTopSecret.com on February 2nd in this post.
Eventually I brought this myspace page up on Websleuths.com and member SuziQ was kind enough to begin a thread concerning it entitled Is Casey the Real Zenaida? Shortly before this I had sent a couple of emails to OCSO informing them of the website, because I felt this myspace could prove premeditation if it were, in fact, Casey. Why do I feel this may be Casey? Well, the reasons are numerous:
- * It was created on 06/16/08 – the last day Caylee was seen alive. It was last accessed on 10/14/08 – the day the grand jury indicted Casey for murder and she was returned to jail for the last time.
- * Birth Sign – Pisces. (Casey’s is as well.)
- * Location: Miami, FL (Casey kept emphasizing to her brother Lee that Miami was “definitely” a place to look for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
- * Picture: Dora the Explorer dancing doll (Caylee had at least one backpack with Dora the Explorer on it. At one time it was rumored that a Dora backpack was found with the remains, but that rumor has not been proven out at this date. Also, in Cindy’s deposition at the end of July 2009, she stated that Dora was one of Caylee’s favorite videos/shows to watch frequently.)
- * A small plastic toy horse was said to have been found with the remains. Rumors flew during the search that there was an effort underway by law enforcement to determine if this horse was from a set. Dora the Explorer Disney sets include ponies. www.fisher-price.com…
- * The birthdate associated with the zenaida myspace is 02/19/85, which is 1 year and 1 month from Casey’s birthdate of 03/19/86. This is known because the age changed from 23 to 24 years on the myspace on February 19th of this year.
It should be pointed out that it has been confirmed the myspace was, indeed, created on 06/16/08. This is important because for some time there was speculation this could be a faked myspace where the creation date was hacked to look like June 16th. But due to the fact the URL for this myspace contains the myspace sequentially generated user number within it, and because the user number is deep within the user numbers for June 16th, 2008, it has been confirmed to have been created on that date. It should be noted that the URL not containing the name “zenaida” is the reason it was not hit against on forensic searches of the desktop for that term. In addition, and of extreme importance is:
- * The website was originally set up with the display name “zenaida” on June 16th and not changed afterwards.
- * The real name associated with this account also contains the name “zenaida”.
- * The website was originally set up with the Dora the dancing doll picture on June 16th and not changed afterwards.
- * No pictures have been added to the account since June 16th, 2008.
- * No blog entries have been added to the account since June 16th, 2008. (Although there is the possibility that the myspace had a blog entry created on June 16th that was subsequently deleted.)
How are these things known? Because by testing each change out it was confirmed that changing the display name, the user name, or the photo changes the “last updated” field of the myspace. If a photo is added, or a blog entry is added, it updates the last update field as well. And, even though the myspace was last logged into on 10/14/08, it has not been updated since its creation date of 06/16/08.
So why is this important? Because the 16th of June, when the myspace was created, is the last time (allegedly) Caylee was seen alive. And if this myspace was created by Casey prior to leaving the Anthony home, and prior to Caylee’s death, then it points at premeditation for the use of a story that Zenaida took Caylee. And the only reason Casey would need to create a Zenaida for the purpose of accusing of her of taking Caylee is if she knew “Caylee was about to disappear”.
Is there any evidence that Casey may have been on the computer the day of June 16th prior to leaving the Anthony home? Yes, there is. The Encase data released by OCSO on the Anthony desktop shows three periods of high activity prior to Casey leaving the area of the Anthony home.
Casey’s cell phone pings, as mapped out by a number of awesome sleuthers at Websleuths on this map, shows that Casey was at or near the Anthony home until approximately 4:13 pm on June 16th. So if the myspace was created anytime before 4:13 pm, assuming Caylee was still alive when Casey left the Anthony home, and it was created by Casey – this is premeditation. So when was the myspace created on June 16th?
The latest the myspace could have been created was 11:31 am PST (2:31 pm Orlando time):
Now to the question as to whether Casey could have accessed the myspace on the last log in date for the zenaida myspace of October 14th, 2008, the day of her arraignment on capital murder charges. In Tracy McLaughlin’s statement to OCSO in September 2008 Tracy stated that not only did Casey have accessed, and was frequenting myspace and facebook at the Anthony home during her home confinement (which had terms explicitly stating she was to not have access to a computer), but Ms. McLaughlin states Casey was spending her days at Jose Baez’s offices on the computer as well. Casey, under the excuse of “looking for Caylee”, was accessing myspace and facebook there as well, according to Tracy.
So a couple of emails were sent (by me) to OCSO at the beginning of the year in regards to this myspace. And, as should be expected, no response was received since this is an ongoing investigation. However, at the beginning of September, when several Websleuthers had spent a great deal of time looking over the myspace and we had concluded it was, in fact, created on June 16th, 2008, I sent a follow up email to ask if anything had been learned about this webpage. My fear was that my email had been “lost in the noise” of so many other tips and contacts during that time.
Though I still did not receive a response from OCSO (still understandable) a “source with a source” (or a second-hand source, I guess it would be) informed me and another Websleuth member that OCSO had, in fact, missed my first tip, that they were quite excited about it, regretful they had let it “fall through the cracks”, and were jumping through hoops, so to speak, to look into the myspace page. Less than 24 hours later, this same source informed us that the myspace had been investigated at the beginning of the year, when I had first emailed, and had been found to have “been created from an IP in southern Florida” and not connected to the case.
However, I’m not sure what to believe now…JWG an outstanding member of Websleuths had pointed out to me that in non-emergency situations myspace states it can take weeks to fulfill a subpoena request for data on a particular page. And this week, something happened on the zenaida myspace that leads one to believe it has been frozen for some reason.
A myspace page that is set up to require you be a friend prior to commenting has only one way to leave a comment if the person who created the website is unavailable (or unwilling) to approve you as a friend. That is through the “Videos” link:
By clicking on this link you can leave a comment on a myspace member’s video section (even if they don’t have a video) without being their friend. Two myspace members did so over the months:
However, sometime in the past 3 to 4 days, the video link has been removed from the zenaida myspace, and not only can these comments not be seen now, no further comments can be left.
In discussing this finding with a friend who is in law enforcement (and actually computer forensics, to be exact), I was informed that this is the first thing that occurs when a computer or a website comes under investigation. It is “frozen” from any further activity to prevent contamination of evidence.
Is this sudden change on the zenaida myspace an indication that myspace has received a subpoena and OCSO is pursuing this possible lead?
Let us hope so!
Valhall.
Tags: casey anthony, caylee anthony, myspace, premeditation, zenaida
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Thank you so much for the “cliff notes”. This helped me remember what I had read earlier on WS. You did a great job checking all this out… it really seems to be a smoking gun in this case.
And thank you for coming over and reading about this. It has been very important to me for quite some time. I still do not know if this will turn out to be anything related to the Anthony case or not, but it sure has far too many coincidences to not be looked into.
And, by the way, you are my first official commentor! Thank you!
What a fantastic post to your new blog! I have bookmarked and am eager to see more posts by you. I have learned so much from you, whether it is your posts on ATS or WS… and have used an excessive amount of paper printing out your timelines, theories, etc. Thanks Val!
-Reagan from WS
Thank you, Reagan, for your kind words. I will most likely not be updating my timeline over at ATS anymore but over here now. I am working to get through the 1400 page discovery doc of forensic evidence from the FBI! ugggh! But there is some interesting things in it.
I look forward to visiting with you in the future both here and at WS.
Valhall this is some talented sleuthing! I pour over WS forums daily, and I have to say you and all of the other members do a fantastic job. Caylee was a beautiful innocent child and deserves justice. When I see sleuthing like this it gives me hope that Caylee’s murderer will be bought to justice. You are an amazing human being, god bless you! x
Thank you, Angel, and welcome! I surely hope that justice is served on Caylee’s behalf. I’m not a real mushy, sappy person, but in the past 15 months that little girl has stolen my heart. It’s not just because of her adorable big brown eyes and her innocence, but because her life was taken on what appears to be nothing more than a tantrum or a revengeful act. I have hoped since January that this could lead to proof of premeditation. But I have to tell you, now that it appears it is being looked into, even if it is found to be completely unrelated to the case, I will feel better and not have it nagging at me constantly…just knowing some one looked.
GREAT JOB!!!!!
That page has haunted me since first reading about it on the links you had mentioned. Now I feel like the Judd Hirsch character in Independence Day. “They know, they know already!” Man, am I ever glad you thoroughly checked things out, notified the authorities, and followed up. If you are ever in Pittsburgh, PA the coffee is on me!
God bless, justice will come….
Thom,
You gotta deal! If this truly checks out to be of importance to the case…I’ll buy the cake to go with the coffee! Thank you for the words of support.
HOLY CRAP!!! It’s just too coincidental.
She’ll be in the Hoozegow for quite some time.
This is a great job, Wahall
This has to be part of the things that Baez took out of the house when Casey was in jail, he knew from the beginning Casey was guilty. This was published before Caylee was found in that shirt. The shirt the Ants said they had never seen, oh my another half truth. They are going to have the longest noses before this ends. Why are they not in jail with Casey, that is what I want to know. What a sick family to obstruct justice for little Caylee. Well baby girl we are all here for you and demand justice for you!!!!
You can say that again, Carol! If this is all just a coincidence it is really going to blow my mind. It sure is hard to wait to hear the final answer!
Awesome job, There is something about this case that has stolen the worlds heart. We are from Canada and were in Orlando in Feb. 09 our last day in Orlando was spent at the site where Caylees body was found. That is truely the saddest place on earth.
I believe you have found what Nancy Grace would call “bombshell” Good going!
Valhall,
Could this be why Casey had a melt down in Jail, she knew Caylee was wearing that shirt.
Good Evening Valhall, My very first visit! This is better than hitting the lottery! I can only hope that LE & the State Atty has this in their hot little hands,because this “SMOKIN”
You are to be commmended!
Casey is one diabolical young woman,And in her earlier years,when she started stealing & forging checks,that indeed was a sign of a girl on the road for interruption.
Kelly,
I agree. There is something special about Caylee. Even though she is gone now she has moved a lot of people to act more than they talk.
Case,
I hope they have it as well! Yes, she was destined to be interrupted for sure. That’s one thing that has intrigued me about this entire case. She could not have possibly thought she was going to get away with this, any of it. The writing of the checks alone would have been one she couldn’t have gotten out of. And long term, on Caylee, did she think she would just stay gone for as long as she could (as she did) and then pull off – well, she’s been gone for x amount of time? What if Cindy hadn’t found her for another month? Would she then have said – Well, I haven’t seen her in 2 months??? It’s mind boggling to try to understand; probably because it’s truly not comprehensible from a rational viewpoint.
Valhall….. What is even more mind boggling is the actions and behavior of her parents,but I guess after many years of turning a blind eye,to Casey’s short comings,and covering her indiscretions,their backs were pinned to the wall.I can certainly understand a parent supporting their child,but aiding and abetting in such a horrific act is a whole different playing field.
Great expose’ Val. And I like the layout and color of the new blog.
More importantly, I am waiting for your next post!
Thank you, JWG!
You did an awesome job on the write-up for Dave’s blog. I liked it a lot. I think I might talk about duct tape next…but it’s such a sticky subject!
…oh, that was tacky. lmao!
Valhall, Dora says sticky tape sticky tape lets get the sticky tape in one of her episodes. Lmao Can you please bring on the sticky tape…Oh yes we have kids thats how I know..
OMG! Foster! I didn’t know that. (My kids are all growed up!!!) That’s kind of freaky.
Here is a website that you can download Dora to your facebook and myspace page. Wonder if Casey used this site and wonder if they keep records of who visits and uses?They give you the codes and instruction how. http://graphicshunt.com/images/dora_the_explorer-5243.htm
Very nice new site, and am pleased to have come across it this early morning ~
I think in the end, that when this finally goes to trial, and everything is out there in black and white, people will be amazed at what the State has had in their tightly clenched fists.
And, I will go one step further and say that people will be astonished at the amount of info that was found on-line and turned over to the authorities from their personal research and interest in this case. If that information is revealed, of course.
I know that I am anxiously awaiting a instant messaging conversation, by a “caseyO”, with a male, where the topic was chloraform; with caseyO telling the male that it is used to “put someone to sleep”, he replies in obvious shock, and she comes back, “Oh, it’s not a bad thing, it won’t kill you”.
That instant messaging conversation was found about a year ago now{?}, and the link was sent to the police.
The next day, it was completely GONE ~ No “cach” of it, nothing any longer.
Our world is evolving, and all of these modern gadgets, “junk science”, and outsiders looking in and taking a stand for Caylee just may be the downfall to the person responsible, and, the Justice that Caylee is owed.
How did Cindy put it last week in her closing statement on 48 Hours?
“Justice for Casey will be Justice for Caylee”.
Nice Work, to all that have invested many of their hours, neglected their own lifes to a degree, and have stayed the course for this beautiful baby that has certainly touched us in a way that we won’t ever forget.
I certainly look forward to reading here in the future.
A song for Caylee ~ ~ ~
Skyline Pigeon
Music: Elton John
Lyrics: Bernie Taupin
Turn me loose from your hands
Let me fly to distant lands
Over green fields, trees and mountains
Flowers and forest fountains
Home along the lanes of the skyway
For this dark and lonely room
Projects a shadow cast in gloom
And my eyes are mirrors
Of the world outside
Thinking of the way
That the wind can turn the tide
And these shadows turn
From purple into grey
For just a Skyline Pigeon
Dreaming of the open
Waiting for the day
He can spread his wings
And fly away again
Fly away skyline pigeon fly
Towards the dreams
You’ve left so very far behind
Just let me wake up in the morning
To the smell of new mown hay
To laugh and cry, to live and die
In the brightness of my day
I want to hear the pealing bells
Of distant churches sing
But most of all please free me
From this aching metal ring
And open out this cage towards the sun
Great Job Valhall! And its great that you followed up with LE to be sure your info didnt get lost or had fallen through the cracks. Im sure we all know by now that the FBI will be able to secure the originating I.P. address for the myspace page…and if its from Hopespring Drive…well..oops! Another lie Cindy will have to tell to try and keep the heat of her daughter by saying she created the page. Im thinking even if the I.P. came back as being from Tonys or another friends, the FBI should be able to link all this back to Casey well enough:) To sign up for a myspace page, you have to provide certain information, including an email addy. Also. Tom from myspace always sends an automatic welcome note to all new members:)
My first visit here, and its great to be here:)
Cyn57,
That’s an interesting webpage. She may have. I’m more inclined to believe she copped the pic of the Dora “We did it” Dancing Doll from a product sales site like this one http://www.toysit.com/we-did-it-dancing-dora-the-explorer/ because it matches the official product picture.
Skyline,
Thank you for the beautiful song.
I’m very intrigued by your IM reference. I would be interested to hear more details! (And I agree, I think they have much, much more than we know about.)
Hi Speedy,
Thank you for your support. If this myspace was created by KC (and she wasn’t doing any proxy business), it should come back to Hopespring because of the time. If this page was created around 10 to noon or 1 to 3 as I suspect it was, then Cindy isn’t going to be able to claim she made it because she was at work. The only one left to try to claim they made this page was George – and that’s paramount to admitting complicity in the disappearance of Caylee.
I look forward to reading your thoughts in the future!
I have question: If the terms for Casey not to have any computer activity,and she was on a computer at her Esquire’ s office,what kind of,if any ramifications could fall on Mr Baez?
You know, this very issue has been discussed quite a bit at WebSleuths. I’m not sure. Some speculate that an unresolved ethics complaint against Baez may, in fact, be associated with this. It appears to me that he would need to answer some questions concerning Tracy Mc’s allegations since he is a sworn officer of the court. If Tracy’s statements are proven to be true, he is in contempt of a court order and I would think there could be ramifications from that.
Good Morning Valhall! Thank you for the answer,this could prove to be very interesting,but in the same token,could set Casey up for ineffective counsel,sure hope not,also I wonder if Mr Baez has a GOOD atty on retainer. lol! I foresee Mr Baez racking up a few contempt charges as well as some “hostile witnesses”,won’t mention names but their initials are Geo & Cindy…..OOPS!
What I find interesting, is that additionally/initially, Casey said that she and the Nanny coresponded through MYSPACE messages that were left for her.
I can’t remember where that info is, as far as who has the interview, or, who relayed that info, but, this was one of her claims.
So, if she indeed set this page up as a front to her story to carry it out, she obviously got busy, getting busy, and didn’t get back to business!
I have to wonder WHY after she took the time to set this up {which I believe she did}, then why she didn’t follow through with whatever plan she had come up with to continue it.
It’s easy enough to get proxie IP’s, and, as told by others that knew her, she is smart enough to have done a number of sneaky, through the back door things.
Evidence in point, that we know of, are those e-mails that she sent to herself from her “job” when she was wanting out of the house.
So, while I don’t for a minute beleive that she is not responsible for this page, I have to go beyond that and then wonder why it wasn’t completed during that month?
Perhaps after thinking on it, she realized that it wouldn’t or couldn’t fly afterall?
Who stopped her from beginning step 2 of this?
And, if that person could be determined, then, how strong of a weight would that carry as to charges being held against that person, or, persons?
Good questions, Sky. I’ve wondered that myself. I think it probably boils down to her realizing she couldn’t pull it off without leaving more e-trails. There has been speculation that the log in on 10/14 may have been her first thinking she needed to get rid of a really bad decision (i.e. making the myspace in the first place), but then realized that in doing so (which would have required responding to an email to approve deletion of the account), would not have been a good idea…so she backed out.
Good Morning Skyline! Probably her first arrest. Then she had to go into action and start doing a little house cleaning.JMO But you have a good point.
Good Morning Valhall ~
I wish that I had more information regarding that IM message to share, but, I don’t.
That was the extent of it as I heard/read about it directly from the person that claimed to have found it last year from one of the FOX News Blogs that had been set up.
It was a woman that found it by just looking and surfing around in the middle of the night, as many do when things are idle.
She shared that info when the talk was hot and heavy with the chloraform in the trunk and shortly after the state started releasing documents.
In her excitement, she forgot to get a screen-shot of the conversation, but had bookmarked it.
She also followed up on it with the police, but never heard back from them, aside from the message disappearing all together.
And, she told that it had a been screen shot cach that she stumbled upon at the time.
So, time will reveal the rest of the story if it proves to be usefull, and, true. I have no reason to believe that it isn’t, but then again, I don’t know and it’s not something that I saw personally.
Other’s that “knew her” seemed to believe it, and I’ve not gone back once they started having to change the site for updating purposes. It was to difficult to follow and keep up with.
I hestitated to even mention it, but, IMO, it just goes to show the amazing lenghts that people that are interested in this, such as yourself and so many others, have gone to help gather information and turn over to LE.
Every little bit helps, and nothing can be discounted until the final page is wrote and the book closed.
That, and each time that there is word that we are to be getting new documents, I wonder also, as this woman has, if THIS is a peice that will be released.
In that regard, it is exciting to know that you may have been privy to a small peice of information that in the end when put together into the big picture, ends up being something that was significant to the case.
Just as this MYSPACE looks like it has turned into.
In this case, you went a step and a mile beyond in researching on your own to support your find and your information with regards to proving the dates and how dates could be changed and altered, but, not erased.
And, by additionally having other’s assist you in logging in and cross referancing time stamps and dates.
You neatly wrapped the package.
Again, outstanding work, and excellant follow-up.
It looks like a home run to me, and a clean one at that with no room for doubt with those computer logs and cell phone pings on hand.
I will be leaving shortly and will be gone for most of the day. I apologize in advance for any new commentors whose posts will be pending approval while I am gone. I look forward to reading your input when I return this evening.
Or, she just couldn’t come up with anything cagey and cryptic enough for clues to leave for herself on the page??
It’s difficult to say.
The only thing that is clear, is that if any of us that are following this could get inside that girls head, we’d have had this tied up a loooooooog time ago!!
She makes my head spin, and has given me more whiplash moments than I ever thought possible.
Just when a person thinks that it can’t get any more bizarre than we’ve seen, we get to witness, or find, more information or actions and reactions that stop you dead in your tracks.
And, that would include everyone in this family by the things that have been said and done.
Have a good day Valhall ~
One more thing that I just came across the other night in regards to MYSPACE.
This is in referance to Casey having a Blackjack{?} phone.
Someone filed on “docstop” some time ago, which I just saw and read the other night Casey’s MYSPACE.
It shows in the screen-shots that were taken, she left a message in May of last year, that “I’ve got a new blackjack”, and was all excited.
Then, fast forward to her story about loosing her phone.
So, while we believe that this was just another one of her lies, she does write about one prior to the events that led up to Caylee being murdered.
Casey would be a career challenge in Forensic Psychiatry,for her to try and convince her friend that you were sleep walking and hid money,then in turn keep stealing from that friend,grandma,mom,boyfriend,brother,etc.,but then take seasoned Detectives to a place of employment that no longer existed. Now that is brazen. Caylee was such a beautiful little girl,but symbolic of Solomon’s child.
OH and the fact that she killed her beautiful daughter and is lying about that!
That would be BlackBerry phone rather than a BlackJack. {I’ve got that Billy Mays informercial on the brain – LOL}
Sky,
I think you were right the first time on the myspace comment by Casey. I do believe she said Blackjack. I will try to find that screencap and post a link here.
Case,
The psychology surrounding Casey really blows my mind and I would love to hear a real psychiatrist/psychologist give an analysis based on what has been revealed so far. It is as if she believes if she says something (no matter what) and sticks with it (in the face of no matter what) it is reality. It’s very hard to conceive of how her mind works. I know delusion is in there, but there seems to be much, much more.
Sky,
Here you go. Go to page 30 of this docstoc document.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony
Thanks for the link Valhall.
Now, my first thought now in rethinking her statement here is that those phones are called, BlackBerrys, right..?
I’m an old feable minded woman that runs on little sleep, so, it’s easy for me to mess up and make a mistake and call it a BlackJack.
I’m not expected to know what all the new gadgets and do-dads are that are a must to have.
But, Casey would know what this phone was called for crying out loud.
All the kids wanted one of those when they first came out, and, if memory serves me right {and you’ll learn that it doesn’t ~ LOL ~}, they were extremely expensive.
Amy took one of her guy friends to the mall the very same day they returned from PR to get his new phone.
So, was this just a slip up, like I slipped up, or was she just talking smack crack again like she always does.
What’s the likihood that a new phone would be giving her problems, and, then she looses it when she can’t take a breath of air without a phone connected to her hand and ear.
I won’t say that it’s not possible her phone messed up, matter of fact, I had to replace one last year and for some reason when I plugged it into my car to charge it the first time for a road trip, it crapped out on me.
But, I can’t imagine that she wasn’t down to the service provider on the PDQ to have it replaced.
Caseydidit ~
So true. Can you imagine how thick those chapters will be once those Forensic Psychiatrics start writing and trying to figure this girl out?
She will certainly provide someone some long term job secruity before they manage to get to the last chapter, IMO.
And, if they decide to take it a chapter further, and include the entire family……oh my.
I just hope that we all never live to see another case like this ever again.
Ever…
Sky,
There really is such a thing as a Blackjack phone.
http://www.1800mobiles.com/samsung-blackjack-cingular-phone.html
I tend to believe she never had one and she was just talking up what she really wanted to have, but didn’t.
LE would’ve found the website when they took the Anthony’s computer.
Actually, I don’t understand why you think they would have. So I’ll wait to have you explain.
Valhall, Thanks for your great sleuthing!!! Was reading about some of this on websleuths and blink. I read that Marinadedave posted on the zenida site but then went and took it off if I remember correctly. I hope LE checked this out thouroughly. This would be a huge bombshell!!!! Will visit often.
Hi Valhall,
I’m so glad you took the time to recap all this information; I believe it’s important. I’ve been following the Caylee case since “Day 1.” I’m a HUGE WebSleuths lurker, lol. I don’t have an account there, so I’m very grateful to have found your link leading to this post, which gives me the opportunity to properly say THANK YOU! Even if it doesn’t pan out, I know you have spent a lot of time on this, which just goes to show how much you care about Caylee and finding justice for her. Major kudos!
Dierdra,
Thank you! Yes, if this pans out to be Casey…it will be the proverbial “bombshell”!
shez,
Thank you so much. STOP LURKING! lol Look forward to reading your thoughts in the future.
Good Morning Valhall….Do you think that the Jail Psychologist will be brought in with any testimony? You know in the very beginning , Mr Terance Lenamon had gone to the State with the letter that stated in effect that Casey ’s defense was that of Mental defect ,to get the Death Penalty off the table in the first round. Then comes along Mr Baez,and here we are. That leads me to believe that Casey did confess something to Mr Lenamon. As a Florida taxpayer,I’m now willing to pay whatever it takes get a conviction in this case. This innocent little girl died a horrible death.
You know, Case, one thing we’ve heard nothing on is how that evaluation went – other than Baez’s statement she’s not insane. I think the psychiatric evaluation is going to be very interesting. But a point to note is that I don’t believe having a mental defect will necessarily get you out of anything. It might just go toward proving you are a chronic threat to society.
I think that Lenamen wanted to bring in a new or differant Psychologist to examine Casey, that both Casey and Baez turned down, and refused, if I remember correctly.
Lenamen took his walk thereafter.
The other Psychologist that interviewed/examined her was probably just mandatory and ordered by the court, to which Casey bragged in a jail house visit with either her parents or Lee, with a smile, that she had passed.
I could be wrong of course, it’s hard to remember and keep everything straight anymore, and I don’t file and rank links, interviews, etc. It’s just to much.
I’m a hit and miss reader, and, if I retain it, fine, and if my memory is correct, GREAT for the day~!
Why didn’t Casey follow up with step 2? She said the nanny, Zanny, aka, Zenaida, had kidnapped her child and she was looking for her. Perhaps she wanted it to look like the nanny would have no intention of contacting her through MySpace, i.e., so as not to leave a trail for the cops to find her. Just a guess.
Ofcourse, after getting caught she couldn’t play on the comp in secret anymore while home on bond. Prior to that, she was too busy enjoying her freedom to be burdened with anything “Caylee”.
Valhall sez:
“I’m more inclined to believe she copped the pic of the Dora “We did it” Dancing Doll…” Hmmmm….”We did it” as in Casey and her alter ego, Zanny. That is sick!
Good Morning Valhall…..Thank you for the reply. I strongly believe Casey will end up with a life sentence,with or without parole. You are right about the” Mental Defect” theory,but it got the Death Penalty off the table on the first round.Then Caylee was found,so the State probably offered the plea deal again,and defiant Casey refused ,she even hand wrote on a motion that Mr Ashton “was just mad”because she had refused. So I’m pleased that the DP is back on,because it is to send a STRONG message to Casey,and her pathology is to lie her way through life. ..Or steal.That was the ultimate theft when she took Caylee’s life.
Good Morning to All !
Howdy Sky!
Good morning to you, Case.
YOU have done a great service for Caylee!
I was so impressed with your thorough sleuthing. While so many of us have concocted many a theory this is incredibly sound and may lead to further solidifying premeditation at trial.
Well done!
Pam
Val,
This is a great website! Congrats to you. See you on WS.
Thanks to you, I finally understand the implications of the Zenaida my space. I was having a hard time following the posts, questions, and replies at WS.
Thank you, Pamela. I don’t know if anything will come of this or not. But I’m hopeful it is being checked into.
hey there tex!
See ya on the board.
Great detective work ! Only hope & pray that the detectives in Orlando are listening to you and checking this out very throughly …. There is NO doubt in my mind that Casey would have NEVER told that Caylee was missing if Cindy had not confronted her about it when she did….. It would have gone on unreported if Cindy had not picked up the phone herself and called the police . Too bad she hadn’t confronted Casey sooner and we might have had more evidence to work with in the upcoming trial ..
Again thanks for this info and heck with the coffee, if you are ever in my area ( Cincinnati ) a steak dinner is on me !
Hi Patricia!
Thank you so much. Woohoo! Steak dinner…I’m in! I’ll buy the cheese cake and nice bottle of wine.
But I’m starting to really wonder if this is just the most ridiculous coincident imaginable.
Amazing and impressive work you are doing to promote justice for Caylee.
Not sure that you still want this open, but here goes.
Can you explain to me what facts tell you that Caylee was still alive at the time that this site was created? I read everything, but I must have missed that deduction.
It seems to me that it is just as likely that Caylee died earlier on this day and then Casey came up with the scheme from having watched that episode of “One Tree Hill” and started thinking that a mysterious nanny was as good an explanation as any for why Caylee disappeared.
I am not saying that it does not fit – it does, like a glove, but it is only premeditation if she came up with the idea while Caylee was still alive. It is totally possible that she killed Caylee earlier that day in a fit of rage over some imagined or over-blown insult or injury. Perhaps as part and parcel of your idea that she was already upset because she could no longer just drop her off at her friends house and claim that she was going to work. then something happens and she flies into a rage and kills the child earlier in the day. then starts putting it all together on her big plan to make everyone think that someone kidnapped her.
Val,
Okay – got it now by reading up to the “uber-sleuthing” post. Since Caylee was last seen alive on the 16th, she could not have been dead before 7 AM of that day. Therefore, the only reason to create a ZG account would be in premeditating her death later. I will stop posting until I read all of your threads now since I see that the blog is much more extensive than I at first realized. That way, I will not waste your time or mine any more by asking things that answers exist for in other threads.
I repeat – great site. Impressive.
William,
I apologize. Your initial question came through while I was at work and after I got home I had forgotten I needed to reply.
Yes, basically, the latest time for the creation of the myspace appears to be 2:31 pm Orlando time. Casey did not leave the Anthony home until after 4 p.m. George went to work at 3 pm, which means he left probably between 2:30 and 3:00. Most likely time of death for Caylee is sometime after 3 pm. When you take into account the computer and cell phone activity, actually a bit later than that.
Catching up, Valhall. (love that you used the Red Green video on making duct tape– a Canadian comedian (aka duct tape expert) adding to our wealth of knowledge!! I didn’t realize you used it, wasn’t even sure I should post the link over on Blink, but so glad it was useful!! Red and all the lodge members would be proud!!)
Note on the Dora’s ponies. Dora had one pony named ‘Butterfly’ and one named ‘Rosbud’. (interesting coinkidink– didn’t Jose email ‘Rosebud’ aka Cindy??
I just ambled onto your site today, and to my amazement,the myspace acct. for which my daughter had set up for me has only one friend on it,….one Tom Anderson, the same one that ZFG has on her site! …WTF , is it just me, or does everybody have this joker on their space as well? I don’t use “Myspace, so I’m not hip to the rules so much as everyone else. Can somebody clue me in?
Tom is the creator of myspace and he is always added as your first friend on every account that is opened.
Crikey…this is getting worse. Richard’s latest post.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2009/12/24/twas-the-night-before-christmas-and-not-a-creature-was-stirring-except-blink-the-rat/
It is Christmas Day in Australia – I’m going to think about the good things in life like family, friends and just being with the people you love. I’m going to spare a thought or two for little Caylee – not here with us, and wonder to myself, how any of this helps her.