Kyron Horman case: Considering motives

Wow! That is an awful post ! I wish we could find out who it was and warn her husband!I didn’t go to the actual site , but, I hope somone suggested she go to a therapist asap.

Oh how sick to my stomach I am.

You have wonderful insight Val, and awesome integrity to write such a story. But, I am so sick to my stomach.

How could someone think like this. And yes, there is another children that is now in dangerous circumstances. God please be with him.

OMG that whole site is scary. I am in shock.
I too am a step mom and “fell in love” w/ my stepson when he was little – now he is an adult and I love him even more.
I remember his bio mom telling me that the step-dad (her husband) didn’t love him – in fact the step-dad treated him abusively and I spent many years trying to undo the damage – I asked the bio mom many times how she could partner a man who didn’t love her son, inconceivable to me.

Wow Val;

I am more willing to say that this would be a motive. I too have 2 stepkids, and their mother dropped them off at a gropu home and never looked back. I love them with my all, but everytime she calls I get this knot in my gut because she still has the desire to make them feel that they are nothing without her. I keep a lot harbored in my head and I bite my tongue daily, BUT, I cannot imagine my life without them. I have had so many of my friends ask me how I do it, and so many of them say they couldn’t and wouldn’t. In fact one of my friends had one of husband’s little girl’s with them and she decided to go to work to pay child support than have this little girl in her home.

The sick part about it is this, her husband has all 3 of her kids in the home, she does not receive child support for her kids, and he is so good to these children. This type of feelings really do exist. Look how many boyfriends, new husbands have been charged with neglect and murder just in the past ten years. My stepdaughter has girlfriend’s in some pretty bad situations where their stepmom’s can’t stand them and they come here and it just breaks my heart. I struggle daily to let them know they are a part of me, these children, all stepchildren suffer more than most know. I feel this woman had issues with this situation, she probably found no rewards caring for Kyron, and nothing in this world of mother’s surprises me. My situation is different in that my kids mom lost them because she did not want them, and my anger stems from her having rights to speak to them, but I know I can’t prevent it. I don’t feel challenged or jealous, I feel hurt and sadness because they are priceless, and my biggest hurdle in life is when they ask me why she did this to them.

My answer so far has worked, I tell them she did that so that my life could be richer in having them, but they are now 15 & 16 and that doesn’t always work anymore. Reality set in, but again, they are mine have been for 13 years now and I am honored everyday, just wish I could tell their bio mom how I really feel.

I pray that someone close to that woman does recognize who she is from that post, and gets her stepson away from her IMMEDIATELY.

I’m still absorbing. I can’t think beyond that at this moment.

wow Val I really admire you for posting that. Your concern for all these children is touching. We could use more people like you in this world.

About Terri’s motive, if she’s involved, which looks so likely, I see it being quite a few reasons for doing something to sweet Kyron. Where to begin?? Hmmm….being unhappy with her marriage, with Kaine, with taking care of any of the kids. I feel it could have went down this way with James. James and Terri weren’t getting along for whatever reasons. Kaine said he was the peacekeeper basically on OregonLive interview. so james moves away and to Terri it’s easier. Now just 2 kids to deal with.

Maybe then her resentment and ugly feelings toward Kyron intensify…Idk. But it might have all built up, one thing after another. Wanting to punish Kaine. Tired of being “stuck” with Kyron. Unhappy with herself, out of shape, no time to hit the gym, maybe throw in drinking problems and whatever else. Sounds like, too, she wanted a “personal life.” Hard to do with so many responsibilities. A recipe for disaster.

WOW, I can’t believe a site like that actually even exists!

First, how do people hate children? Second, how do you hate someone that is a part of someone you love? I am fearful for the little boy referenced in the post, how scary and sad!

Val, that post is very, very disturbing. That woman’s stepson is in grave danger, for even if she didn’t plan to outright harm him, I could see her watching him get into dangerous situations, and doing nothing to help him. Malevolent neglect. That he is a child with special needs makes him all the more vulnerable.

Strangely, I could almost attribute those words to the thoughts of Casey Anthony, also. Caylee was her biological daughter, but I’ve always sensed that she felt absolutely no connection to her, as if Caylee was another woman’s biological child, that she resented having to look after.

Indeed, I agree with you that it is possible that Terri Horman could have harbored the thoughts of that commenter. Resentful of Kyron’s presence in their home, and resentful of having to care for him. Wishing he would just disappear.

That post is going to stay with me for a long time. It is very disturbing.

Kinda gives food for thought in regards to Kaine and Desiree, too, doesn’t it? They may have been just as oblivious to Terri’s real feelings as this horrible woman’s blended family parents are.

Scary, scary shit. (Val, can you report posts on that site?)

Didn’t someone say TH was adopted? Maybe because she didn’t get that bond that babies normally get immediately following birth she is incapable of feeling for any of her kids? If she couldn’t handle her 16 year old, there is no way anyone could expect her to accept one that is not her’s. Ad if her son and her did not have a good relationship, maybe she felt Kaine shouldn’t have one with Kyron either? I pray for him to be found, even more so reading this post She has to live in her own skin, and if she did what many inculding myself think, all that could change her now is lethal injection, since we have seen this all before, no concern, no worry, Acuna Mattadda? something like that?

Kyron you are in my prayers always and wherever you are your mom and dad love and miss you, and so many strangers too, mwaaah!

I went to the site and after reading a few, there was some answers to some that made sense, but No one said get involved with the kids and make their stay enjoyable.
The HATE word is a very strong word. Dislike or irrating is one thing.
But an adult using the word Hate is totally wrong.
I have had step kids and always got along great with the boys, but girls seemed harder for me to get close too. I thought the reason for it was jealousy from the daughter for her dad. So encouraged the dad to take them out for a movie and dinner by themselves. My stepdaughter was so much like Casey Anthony from the age 12 upward. I would ignore most of her bad habits and try to be nice regardless.
I personally let her hang herself with her dad. He finally seen thru her selfishness and hateful ways and corrected it himself without any help or hints from me.

I am still shocked by the words used by these grown women. Hate is one word I have taught my grandkids not to use. Maybe they are mad or anger, but Hate is not to be used.
Maybe they need some of the better stepmom on their to give them some clues and good advice.

But I am sure that Terri did have a hate for Kyron, especially since she wanted to have his dad murdered. But all she had to do was go to the phone and called his mom and unload on her shoulder about the problems she and Kaine were having and have her talk to Kaine about letting him go live with her for a while.
And with summer coming on, he would have been with Desiree anyway.
But we are talking about a normal person here and I don’t think Terri is considered normal by any means.

Valhall,

This is a very disturbing post indeed. I have to say immediately that we must remember that TERRI LIES. Right? And I know liars who will make up anything! They will make up a story for the hell of it. If this were Terri, perhaps she could have made up a scenario that she actually wished would happen and talk about it as if it almost came true. FURTHER, this post was written on the day before her birthday — if my memory serves me correctly. AND this was on a Home and Garden forum? WHOA!!! Flashing lights everywhere.

Also, Terri may believe, in her opinion, that Kyron has learning disabilities. And she does not necessarily have to tell anyone that she feels this way. She may feel that way for the simple fact that she does not like Kyron — if this were a possibility.

I’m spinning.

A woman over on

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?v=wall&story_fbid=138775982819908

Reports a potential sighting of Kyron w/homeless people near the school. She claimed to call LE and another poster also did.

I don’t hear anything on the scanner, but reading the above makes me seriously wonder if TH dropped Kyron off w/homeless people or dumped somewhere and said they didn’t want him anymore.

CLMinor,

I am like you — the word “Hate” is not allowed in my house. I remember the first time my daughter used that word. I think she used it to describe her dislike for a certain food or something — I think at the beginning of this past school year. I explained that it is not a good word choice and it is a very strong word. I explained how “dislike” is a much better choice. My daughter will now point out when someone uses that word — like on TV and say — “That’s a bad word!”

God, I love my daughter. How can anyone “hate” a child? It is simply beyond me. My daughter is the reason I do anything.

Just me,

I thought about “terri Lies” but why would she lie on a site where they are talking about hating their step-children? If anything I would think that’s where she’d be most honest since it was acceptable.

It sounds just like her situation, step-son, daughter etc so maybe.

Just Me – I was about to post and then I saw you just said everything I was going to. Get outta my head woman! LOL

I am stunned by this comment and if it is not Terri it is someone with the capability to do what we all fear she has done.

( I am not a step-parent but I was raised by a step-father and I swear he is my favorite person in the world. There is no one better than my dad.)

MLR,

Sorry — I don’t think you understand pathological liars. I am not pointing out that Terri may have perhaps told a lie about not liking Kyron. Quite the opposite. Perhaps read my post again. I am saying that there are liars who will make up stories AS THEY GO. As they are in a conversation, there are liars who will simply create a story off the top of their head — if it is inline with the conversation. And if this were the case, the story of a choking kid could fit. Meaning, if it were Terri, just becasue Kaine does not necessarily remember such a story, it DOES NOT MEAN that it could not be a lie — a fantacy that was told on a forum. Does this make sense to you now?

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Just me,

I thought about “terri Lies” but why would she lie on a site where they are talking about hating their step-children? If anything I would think that’s where she’d be most honest since it was acceptable.

It sounds just like her situation, step-son, daughter etc so maybe.

Just Me – I am referring to your post regarding Terri and lying.

I have read a few more of the posts on that site and I have to say that I am fearful and sick for all of the children mentioned there, so disliked by their step-parent. What an awful phenomenon. All that acting out, tantrums, selfishness, on the part of little children, even older children, is someone just desperately wanting to be loved and given boundaries … ok I know from experience that the situation is more difficult with co-parenting/blended families because you are sometimes 2 steps forward/3 back when dealing with another parent or step-parent with different “parenting” styles — but the “hate” someone mentioned expressed there – some of the step-parents say they hated their step-child when the child was little and hate them still many yrs later – omg – I am not a praying person but I will pray tonight for these children.
And Kyron too, maybe he will be found.

Val,

Although you communicated w/Kaine, did you contact the authorities. Even if this isn’t TH, this person is incredibly disturbed and a child’s life is in danger. Can FBI trace back to who posted this?

» Just Me said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 01:07:41 }

I understood it the first time, I just never thought of it as a “chat” type of situation where someone may have been saying something and the poster felt the need to “relate!”

I kind of thought of it as a place where these people were voicing their true feelings, to others that felt the same so there was no NEED to lie.

You are correct, I don’t think I have any experience in pathological liars but then again if they’re that good at it, how would I know

Hi Liza,

I’m so glad you love your step-father and that he loves you. Mine was horrific. What a horrible mistake my horrible mother made. She was quite narcissistic.

I know what you mean about reading your own thoughts via someone else’s post.

Great minds think alike!

So many unloved little kids… breaks my heart.

MLR,

My entire point is — just because Kaine does not recollect the questions posed by Valhall does not necessarily mean that Terri could not have written them.

She could have been sitting their writing about her dislike and then went into fantasy mode and started describing a story in which a child she can’t stand nearly died.

I am merely saying, the story has so many similarities to the family dynamics that I would not simply believe it is not her post simply because Kaine does not recognize the stories told. SHE LIES. Period.

Hi All,

I have not accessed the link yet. I don’t know if I can read it right now. This post was bad enough and whoever this person is.

The story is so spooky that perhaps it should be sent to LE. Terri lies! And if it is someone else, this poor child should not be anywhere near this person. My God!

I too can see Terri – in the spirit of blogging & conversing coming up with scenarios to fit her point of view. Again, if this was not her it is someone with horrific potential. I wonder what the other folks on that board thought when reading her post.

(Just Me – Yes, I am fortunate and I am so sorry you were not. I was lucky and I will treasure my dad for the rest of my life.)

Hi Just Me… I completely understand what you are saying. The woman starts her post about how much she hates her stepchild (and she truly does)… but then as she writes, she starts elaborating, telling stories, giving examples etc… that are fabricated, just to make her story more interesting… although her little examples and elaborations may not be true, the fact that she hates her stepchild can’t be denied. So, if this theory is true.. the writer might indeed be Terri because her little made up stories would not have been confirmed by Kaine. Makes sense to me. This woman is despicable, poor kid, I wish her husband or the child’s bio mom could read this post.. I think her days of step-mothering would be over.

I can see I’m out numbered here in opinions I just don’t understand why someone would lie, make stuff up on a site where it was perfectly acceptable to voice your HATE for your step child!

I guess it is about fitting in, or maybe trying to make herself look a little better in others eyes that she had a caring moment for the kid she truly despised but, what would it matter when you’re on a board where hating your step child is the reason you’re there to begin with?

I hate my step kid too
I can’t stand my step kid
I have often wished he’d get out of my life
I used to wish that he would choke to death
I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something
enduring my stepson’s presence
This is what my life will be from now on

I harbor a lot of resentment
a free babysitter
It is very unnatural having step kids
very unnatural to love them
it goes against nature
various other mammals will kill these offspring ***(THAT’S “natural”…she’s justifying her own unacceptable thoughts and making them acceptable to herself)
secret hate

I used to be nice
I still am a very nice person
I smile sweetly and say, Yes?
What happened to me

I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air
***(felt sorry for his FACE ???…this woman needs help. She needs to be far away from this child.)

This little boy needs help now. I feel so frightened and sad for him all at the same time. Husband needs to see this comment. So far she is just hoping for some passive way for him to be eliminated and I don’t think it will take much for her to take it to the next step as long as she doesn’t have to see his FACE while it happens.
Val, no wonder you went so far as to send a few questions out to Oregon…I have an awful feeling that we are seeing some similar sentiments that could relate to the case at hand. This woman sounds very on the edge of doing something. I wonder if the proper authorities know about this comment?

Sjso,

You make a good point that I did not — which is that she may have lied about the stories as to not be detected versus merely delving into fantasy-land. This person is hateful. But the family dynamics are so similiar:

- talk of learning disabilities (Terri is / was a teacher)
- written the day before her brithday
- has a daughter
- home and garden community (landscaper, DeeDee sp?)
- KYRON IS MISSING!!!

Just wanted to add that on another thread I mentioned the fact that it would be easier for Terri to kill Kyron as long as she came up from behind and did not have to see his FACE while he died. Someone had asked the question…how could a person who was supposed to love him do this…and I believe that Kyron’s face would be the main problem to deal with…so don’t look at it.
That is why THIS person’s comment disturbed me so much…she talks about this little boy’s face as though it is somehow separate from him. She separates the child’s face from HIM and somehow, only his FACE causes her to feel badly. Otherwise, she seems to hate him almost completely.
I guess I’m feeling what I’m trying to say better than I’m saying it.

I was very saddened and scared to read that stepmother’s post.

That little boy is in a very scary situation. This stepmother has no qualms about stating she does not care for that little boy one iota.

What makes it worse is she goes on and on about that fact that this little boy is not right and may be a ‘retard’ because of his delayed speech and/or other impediments.

What would’ve happened if this little boy’s dad was not there at the restaurant to save him? Would she have been content to see his little face turn blue, eventually watching him chock to death?

If she has so little feeling for this little boy, and she wishes he would get out of her life, who’s to say that she would not subconsciously (or otherwise) do something to facilitate this happening?

I could not bring myself to go to that site, and read anymore disturbing thoughts of those stepparents who despise the children they pretend to love and care for… I sincerely hope that these children will be okay.

I don’t know what else to say. I too, will be praying for these children. I hope these step parents will stop venting their hatred for their children in this way, and instead seek counseling.

Liza said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 01:07:43 }
I wonder what the other folks on that board thought when reading her post.
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Liza, there is a link with Val’s article so you can read what others had to say to her comment…she didn’t get any support even on a site where the subject is step kids who are not loved. Here’s the link if your stomach can take even more…

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Hi All,

I still have not opened that link. The problem with the stories like the one we just read is that the child is being abused mentally and emotionally, and maybe even physically. I don’t like to talk about my own experiences really, but it is what I would consider being tortured alived for a very long time. Day in and day out. Neglect…..and if you do get attention, you wish you hadn’t. So it is not only a matter of if a person would kill a child — it is also what the child goes through on a daily basis.

There are plenty of biological parents who hate their kids as well as step. I agree with Valhall — it is a matter of being a good or bad/evil person.

Didn’t DY say she would lie about even stupid things? Like she lied even when she didn’t have to?
We have to remember that we don’t think like these people, so it does not logically follow that tmh is not the author. She could’ve added the whole thing about the buffet; especially the tears!
The poster’s DOB is interesting, don’t you think? And the fact that the day she posted this was the same day she registered to the site, then she never said anything again?
Click on the poster’s name at the top of her post?
I think you might want to double check with someone…it sounds way too close to me.
Worst part is that I wondered if she thought like this due to his awkwardness (apparent in all accounts of him).

Thanks Mimi. Can’t read it right now – like you said, can’t stomach it. This whole thing is beyond disturbing to me. I am a middle aged (whatever THAT means LOL) woman with 2 kids and it horrifies me that people abuse, hurt, kill children. Their own children! How? Why?

I was raised in the 70′s. Peace, Love and Bobby Sherman and all that. I still believe in many ways I learned and was raised with – card carrying, tree hugging hippie here. However, in the past few years I have decided that the death penalty IS an appropriate punishment for certain crimes. Kill a kid and be killed IMO.

I wish we could identify these monsters before they have opportunity for evil deeds.

I agree with mimi and others. that stepmother’s post is frightening. I also can see what was said about Terri’s lies. It’s not a huge step to go from writing those things on a site to acting on them somehow. Even in a removed way, like drugging a child and leaving them to perish. That’s a lot different than actually looking at them and hurting them. What awful thoughts. I wish the best for all these children and, of course, Kyron

I can’t read anymore. Need to go hug my 5-yr old son.

wow, I’ve been on here w/o refreshing for a verrrry long time–after I posted, I saw all the posts since I arrived here saying the same…! Someone needs to trace this ASAP no matter who the author is. That way they’ll have motive/etc. if we have to go through this all again. And you know it will happen again somewhere–sorry! *(we being the country)

“I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around…….What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were.”

…….she has the nerve to talk about HER health? and me-me-me?

….whoever she is, she needs to be reported to “child & family services” ( or whatever it’s called ), so that they can do an immediate check on the welfare of the step-child.

…surely the site owner has her IP address—-her post goes above and beyond “having a bad day with the kids”—–she is a serious threat to this unfortunate kid that counts on her to take care of him.

Sorry,
but relying on other people to get the ip –or to follow up on anything
has not worked for me in general.
Anyone else?

Here is post from Terri on her facebook.. May 26 at 12:12pm (She calls her 18month old daughter Kiara – “Kitty”

Terri Moulton Horman Trying to sneak a shower in since Kitty already had one. Told her “No.” when she tried to come in with me. She responded with “Okay, bye bye.” which she never just leaves. She took my shower mat out the door, put diapers in the toilet and bathroom sink on her way out. Wonder where she gets the passive/agressive from?

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Well damn, this is one of the times Ignorance Is Bliss. I truly wish I hadn’t read this story. It is so frightening that after I put in my two cents here. I am going to go visit that website and demand some action be taken. This child is in danger, possible imminent danger. Even after the close call, this woman still wishes the child to be abducted, as if being possibly raped and tortured to death is a better way to die, rather than choking on food. This woman sick in the head, and I bet my bottom line as HER daughter gets older and the cuteness diminishes she WILL feel the same way about her. I can understand having anger and frustration, but that woman takes it way beyond the realm of normal. I too am a stepparent and my five-year anniversary is coming in the next couple months. You’re a lucky parent if you only get to deal with the normal parent/child issues. My own personal experience has been a roller coaster. You see, she was 8yrs old when social services brought her to our door. Told us she can’t live with mom due to moms living situation. Talk about reality just slapping you in the face. I had concerns about her prior to this incident, bedwetting, clinginess, and other little odd behaviors. Then of course the temper tantrums and folks I am not talking about send them to their room and let them cry for 10/15 minutes. I am talking about blood curdling screaming and acting hysterical for HOURS. We could never get anything out of her, before she moved in. Prepared I was not; I really don’t know how you can be. I now had had this tiny little second grader who couldn’t read at a first grade level, she was emotionally neglected. The previous two and half years of her life were spent moving from place to place every four months. She was left for days with other caretakers. It took us months just to unravel what we were dealing with and years to get her on the right path. There have been good times and there have been bad times. Times where I would have gladly taken her outside and strung her up by her toes. There are times I would gladly take my almost four your son outside and string him up as well. My two year old is just like her big sister a drama queen. Just go ahead and tell her NO you will get an Oscar winning performance tears and all. I secretly get a chuckle these days from my two favorite drama queens because it has been substantiated that this comes from daddy’s side of the family. As for her mom, sometimes she’s around sometimes not. Sometimes will call on birthdays or Christmas or sometimes not. So to make a long story short, I can understand getting angry and frustrated and then venting about it. But that woman was not venting she was methodically writing about her devious desires. No child on earth should have to live with a parent like that biological or otherwise. Could Terry have the same personality as the evil posting woman? I would think so, otherwise why not be truthful. Heck she isn’t even fighting to keep Kiara in her life. I don’t think for one minute the alleged murder for hire plot would stop Terry from trying to gain custody of Kiara. I don’t think the police have much credible evidence at least that is my knowledge of it. I believe she is responsible for Kyrons disappearance and that is why she won’t even fight to keep Kiara in her life. Terry does not want to jeopardize her freedom; she puts her own selfish needs first. I pray for Kyron to come home soon!

Hey Val,

When you click on the user name “stepmom2kids” it gives the info that I posted below. Which is VERY interesting because Terri Hormans actual date of birth is 3/14/1970 I know it’s one month “off” but often when registering (to a site that I don’t want to have my real info) I, myself switch my birth month by one month.

“Welcome to stepmom2kids’s Member Page
See my Clippings See my Journal See my trade list

I live in: United States

My birthday is on April 14.

First registered on March 13, 2010.”

Source:
Birth Date: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/44568973/Kyron-Horman—Time-Line
Stepmom2kids Member Page: https://auth.gardenweb.com/members/stepmom2kids

I would like to know when Terri found out Desiree would not be at the science fair. I doubt Terri would try anything with Desiree hanging around.

Hi Everyone,

Thanks, Cymbaline, for the post from TH’s FaceBook account. I was wondering about her writing style. Based on a brief analysis of the two samples (stepmom2kids and TH), I have noticed that both samples have use of / between two words, and relatively proper and similar use of punctuation (commas, quotations, apostrophes). The writing samples are not wildly different — even with such a brief FB sample. The larger sample gives more opportunity for caps use and ………, etc.

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Here is post from Terri on her facebook.. May 26 at 12:12pm (She calls her 18month old daughter Kiara – “Kitty”

Terri Moulton Horman Trying to sneak a shower in since Kitty already had one. Told her “No.” when she tried to come in with me. She responded with “Okay, bye bye.” which she never just leaves. She took my shower mat out the door, put diapers in the toilet and bathroom sink on her way out. Wonder where she gets the passive/agressive from?

why am I not posted after so long?

terri: “She took my shower mat out the door, put diapers in the toilet and bathroom sink on her way out.”

…i don’t even think the above took place. just terri making up an “amusing kitty story” for her facebook.

…i would think that IF a 18 month old did go into the cabinet and take out diapers, she would stack them like blocks and play with them—-not toss a few into the toilet, toss a few into the sink…..on her “way out the door”.

…if she’s trying to say that ‘kitty’ was angry at the time—–an 18 month old would not express their anger by doing something that an adult would think of—–she would probably just sit on the floor and cry until terri got out of the shower.

@Just Me & @Ellejay

I have a few more of her posts (see link at the bottom) from her now private Facebook account…

Here..

Terri Moulton Horman Then getting dressed. Pant. Get her down from Kaine’s office chair. Shirt. Get her out of my nightstand where I THOUGHT I hid my nail polish. Socks. Pick up all the papers I had in a pile to file….sheesh! Now she’s asleep on the couch….snoring.

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Terri Moulton Horman Sporting her Notre Dame gear from Pam and Danica.

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Terri Moulton Horman Kitty is already in the groove for the gym. She sported her new Notre Dame backpack given to her by Pam and carried it around like I do. When she walked in, she told the 2 people behind the desk “MUAH!” and blew them a kiss. Little Miss Social Butterfly

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Terri Moulton Horman Kitty has figured out that she can push her personal potty over to James’ bed and climb up to look out the window. Only trouble is that it’s paned glass from the 1930′s….

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Terri Moulton Horman Say wha??? Where’s my red hair?

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Terri Moulton Horman Take an 18 month old in the proximity of an open yogurt container and make the mistake of a quick trip to the bathroom….can anyone guess the outcome of this one?

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“This is a raw copy of Terri Moulton Horman’s Wall on Facebook just before and after her stepson, Kyron Richard Horman went missing. It is text-only. But the words on it speak volumes. You can read it and draw your own conclusion.”
Source:
http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html

Potatohead,

About reporting the post on that site….I’m sad to report that if I started doing that I would a good two weeks….there’s a lot more like that in that forum…very disturbing. I can’t wrap my mind around being so consumed with hatred and disdain of a child that you go to a public forum to vent that hatred. It’s been almost a week since I first found it and I’m still shaking my head.

Seems psychiatric help to pull your self-absorbed, selfish head out of your own ass would be a lot more effective…huh?

Just Me,

Right. All of the factors you listed is why I submitted questions for Kaine. And, yes, I have entertained that the two statements that I got a no answer on (the choking incident and the speech impediment) could be false information in the post. And the post is made on March 13th with the user listing their birthdate as March 14th and Terri’s being one month exactly off from that.

Yep…I noticed all of that….and a box of chips. Like having a small daughter “of her own” and this older stepson. There’s about 300 million U.S. citizens…there’s a good chance someone else fits the bill just as much as Terri.

SoCalmom,

I want to clarify (because this has previously been misstated in a news article) I have NEVER communicated with Kaine. I just submitted a question to the Skyline neighbor who is assisting in getting media questions to the family. No, I did not contact authorities.

MLR,

I would have to disagree with you. If you’ve been following the Anthony case you do have experience with a pathological liar. Their fathers have ministrokes when they don’t want to go with their girlfriend to pick up cars. Their non-existent nannies have car accidents where medical staff don’t find concussions and lacerations for days. And they woke up every night with their bra pushed up around their adam’s apple and their older brother sitting on the floor glaring at them.

or…they throw in a choking incident so that they can act like they had a moment of guilt for wishing their stepson would choke to death.

That’s how they roll, man…

Right…on the “one month off”. That’s what I stated to the contact when I submitted the questions for Kaine. One month off is a typical tactic by people who don’t want to use their real birthday. They usually go plus or minus a month or stick in the same month and use a different date.

I did NOT pass the link in the email asking for responses to my questions because I did not want to submit something so horrid that Kaine might read, when the odds are that it is not Terri. I believe he’s got enough to deal with right now.

To whomever said they were going to go make a stink on that board…

uhhh…I don’t think you want to do that. If the post is removed and something happens to that child, you’ve just destroyed potential evidence that could be used by investigators.

I’m just saying. Making a stink on that site does NOTHING helpful. You’re just sharing your outrage which could lead to consequences you didn’t intend.

its very real…because I don’t stay up all night and you had to wait for Valhall to wipe the sleepy out of her eyes and approve your first post??? Only answer I could come up with on short notice. lol

I happen to post at blinks a couple of weeks back because someone made a remark about step parents. It wasn’t in a good light.

I am a 40 year old that married an older man. He was blesses with 3 children. So I was the YOUNG STEP mom. the oldest is 34, then one 30 one 24. then my bio daughter 20.

My oldest didn’t accept the marriage well. But we got along as best we could. She is the one that was missing for 3 years when she was 28 years. An abusive man. Anyway. I fought tooth and nail to find her. Long story but my point is this.

These are MY children. Sometimes just because one has a title of MOM or DAD doesn’t mean you are a parent. These children love me as I do them. You will never hear the words step parents, kids, etc in my home. And it just worked out that way. They are all sisters and brothers and they have all gotten along. I love each and everyone of them. The oldest gave us 5 beautiful grandkids. And the most wonderful part of all this after our divorce.

WE ARE BEST FRIENDS STILL TO THIS DAY. He is a wonderful man. And I always want the best for him. Val remember when I wrote you and telling you how sick my daughter was for 7 months and my ex and I thought we were going to have to sit there and watch her die, because the hospitals couldn’t help us? This man never left our side, he actually moved in to help watch her. And the older children. They either came by every day or the oldest called because she lives in Alabama.

Out relationship is unique. But I also hear horror stories. And after reading that message. It’s scary, MYGOD. And I understand. If I had read that. Terri would of came to mind as well.

Bless you Val. A woman with a heart of gold!

» Valhall said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 06:07:13 }

To whomever said they were going to go make a stink on that board…

uhhh…I don’t think you want to do that. If the post is removed and something happens to that child, you’ve just destroyed potential evidence that could be used by investigators.

I’m just saying. Making a stink on that site does NOTHING helpful. You’re just sharing your outrage which could lead to consequences you didn’t intend.
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You are so right. Besides that no one can change those people’s minds about how they feel. Only they need to look down deep within them self to figure out why they hate. And I don’t believe it’s the child they hate, it’s speaks loud and clean in one post I read there. They can’t stand knowing their partner had babies with another woman. UGH! It may be very well the other woman or the Dad, but the child in caught in the middle. Oh well. Sleepy is not left my eyes as of yet. This may only make sense to me. SORRY!

» MLR said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 01:07:36 }

I can see I’m out numbered here in opinions I just don’t understand why someone would lie, make stuff up on a site where it was perfectly acceptable to voice your HATE for your step child!

I guess it is about fitting in, or maybe trying to make herself look a little better in others eyes that she had a caring moment for the kid she truly despised but, what would it matter when you’re on a board where hating your step child is the reason you’re there to begin with?
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That is just it MLR. They are out in the open for all to see. Besides that. They are starting out lying by not using their REAL NAMES. Those who aren’t afraid will not use a fake ID.

Nor do they mention the childrens names. So hiding some identity there as well. That is a sick site that breads hate towards children of any age. Sad.

Wow. LE really needs to see this information so that they can rule out that it was TH. They can trace the IP address where it originated and find out who the person is. IF it is her, they have their motive. I can’t go to that website because it just makes me sick that people are so cruel and abusive to precious little children. It breaks my heart to read about the horrific things that adults do to them….. Even if it isn’t TH, they can still trace the IP address and notify authorities before the child that the writer refers to becomes another tragedy.

This post made me feel ill. It hurt my stomach to read. I am also a stepmom, my husband, a stepdad. I can’t imagine harboring such hate. How can someone feel this way about an innocent kid? The kids have it the toughest when it comes to divorce, and then stepparents, and they are powerless to change what happens around them. I felt the need to protect all our kids and make the adjustments as painless as possible. I love my stepkids. I felt fortunate that our kids, his and mine, got along so well that when they grew into teenagers they looked out for each other, went to each others school/sports functions, commiserated with each when they were disciplined, and as we found out later, covered for each other
What could be greater than the love of a child you nutured and taught and then watch them grow to be a responsible, productive part of society. I have no doubt this poor child in the post feels the hate and it adds to his disabilities. My heart hurts for him.

From Val’s post…..

“Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies”

This statement =’s big time Immaturity.
Hatred for a spouses child by a former mate, says this person is very insecure and infested with jealousy.
wishing for the child to choke to death is not hate so much for the child, but hatred
of the parent.
”IF”, IF Terri wanted Kyron dead, it was because she wanted Desiree out of their lives.
With Kyron gone, then there would be no contact with Desiree, and she would at last
have Kaine to herself. Desiree is a very beautiful woman, and Terri is a ZERO next to Desiree. With Kyron gone there would be no reason for Kaine to have any contact with Desiree ever again.
In my opinion, Terri is a very insecure immature jealous person.
I don’t fell she needed any more motivation for eliminating Kyron from their lives than this.
Not only am I step parent by legal description, I have been very close to the children of my X with his new wife, and also with the children she brought to their marriage.
WHY???
BECAUSE, those children are my children’s half & step siblings.
My children’s youngest half sibling is now a cosmetologist with her own business and I frequent her shop monthly to have my nails done. She is “ONE of MY Kids” and always will be. Can’t stand my x, and don’t especially like her mother, but Christy is a a sweetheart. Poor kid can’t help who her parents are.

» Marica said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 08:07:37 }

Val, I hate to say it, and apparently you already know it now, but those kinds of comments are very common on step parent sites. I’m a step parent too, and when the boys were younger we had some ‘blending’ issues (simple stuff; different rules at different houses). I tried to find a step parenting site to get some suggestions on how to help them transition more easily, but I was so horrified by some of the comments I never registered or asked any questions.

I don’t think that sort of resentment is at all unusual. I’m betting there are thousands of ‘Terris’ out there who do wish harm would come to their step children. Really turns your blood cold.

Vall, while I well understand occasionally being unhappy with your lot in life, and maybe upset with spouse or kids once in a while..this sounds like a person full of hate. Hate of the marriage, the child (in the case or TMH Facebook entries, she really does not sound enamored with her daughter either)..or motherhood in general. These things have melded together in her mind, changed her into a hateful human being not above animalistic acts, and ruined her life. It is all focused on her son.

It is possible that this “mother” sees the internet as an anonymous way to let off steam..but the words are so concerning, that I fear a site of that sort will only serve to confirm and bolster her feelings.

Did anyone respond to this post/ Did they suggest something wrong with her thinking, or were they sympathetic in a way that supported her thoughts. You know, ‘I have had thoughts like that and sought help’ versus ‘me too, you are completely normal. stepkids are all awful’ replies.

Still shaking my head..and worried for the children of these people.

My heart aches for this child. I was so lucky with my second husband, my child loved him before I did. My son is now 32 and just told my husband the other day that he feels like he is his father.

But then again I never went with anyone very long if they did not like my child. I was very careful who I picked to marry, knowing I came with a child.

The core issue with the poster, Terri H, and any other step parent is self centeredness. It’s not like they didn’t know when they married their spouse that a child/ren were involved. I don’t have children, and my current boyfriend has two grown children. I told him when we started dating that I am fully aware of the responsibilities of parenthood even though I had no children. That I would insist that he put the kids first if ever there was a point to make a decision/sacrifice regarding them. When you marry someone with children, you marry a family. Why is that such a mystery to these women?

When I married my husband we each had 3 kids. Now we have 7. My two step-daughters live out of state but visit extensively. I have adopted my son and he has adopted two of my birth children and we raise a teenage daughter that we are guardians for. I don’t understand how you can’t love your step-kids or any kids that you care for. It is hard to me a step-mom, foster mom, but it isn’t any different that being a mother. I know my children will leave the nest one day. I know one day my daughter may decide to return to her biological mother but i love her and fight for her none the less.
If anyone wants to dig around about a step-parent board for posts, try steptalk.org
Prayers for Kyron, and all the other children in the family.

Wow, how horrific. I am stunned. Well, I guess I always knew there were people out there like that, but who knew that there are so many others who identify with them so much? Sickening.

I would bet a good deal of money that if that’s not Terri, she can identify with that post 100%. Poor Kyron, having to live with that every day. Poor sweet boy.

Wow, Val. That is juat heartbreaking. As a mother I can not imagine harboring any hatred toward a child wether they are my own or a stepchild. A child is always innocent no matter where they came from! To think that a woman who is also a mother could want a child to die for any reason is horrific! I am very saddened by Kyrons disappearence, to think if Terri did do something to him, he probably trusted her untill the end.

Valhall, as you may know .. the blog owner most likely has the internet address from the poster. Maybe they can offer that bit of information. Using that address, anybody can easily get the city where the poster is (using tracert/traceroute).

I have three children- a daughter and twin boys- and the thought of anyone ever treating my children like this literally turns my stomach.

Step parents are parents and Val hit the nail on the head, some are great. some are rotten. Parenting is work and a joy. My family is blended (and all now in their 30s/40s) with my husband having two children age 14 & 15 when me and my 4 boys joined the family. My stepchildren were wonderful to my children and there were no serious problems, just the usual everyday life with six kids. We were a happy busy family but cash poor. I was shocked at the above article but PC’s weren’t in households back in the 70′s and we sure didn’t have time for it anyway. TH’s behaviour is selfish, despicable, and probably murderous as well and she is definately in love with herself to the nth degree, making her a terrible mother. I know I sound old fashioned but I can’t help it.

neighbor,

Yeah, but that’s between them and LE. Not me and them. I would never approach a blog owner and ask for a poster’s information. And if another blog owner approached me trying to get info on any commenter here I would ask them what it felt like to find yourself pissing up a rope.

Just to be clear…the privacy of the commenters here is paramount. Unless I have someone come on this board and say “I’m about to [fill in the crime].” I won’t be voluntarily turning over information on ANY commenter at this site. It would take a subpoena and then, if I didn’t personally agree with the reasoning for wanting the information, I might actually try to fight it.

NOW! In this case, if anyone were to make that type of post here and I received a subpoena in an investigation into a missing child or a harmed child or a murdered child…yeah, I would immediately comply with the subpoena. Because you’d have to have your head buried way up your ass not to see the potential relevance.

Interesting post, there are some intriguing similarities. Concluding that this isn’t Terri based on Kaine’s response to your two questions is a little premature. It’s possible, if not likely, that whoever posted this changed some of the information to avoid being identified. Also, If Terri perceived Kyron as learning disabled, it’s quite possible that she didn’t share those thoughts with Kaine (which would explain his negative response to the question). Trust your gut Val, i think that it’s worth forwarding to the investigation.

Thanks for following up w/me Val. I appreciate the clarification and your thoughts.

I understand where you’re coming from about not wanting to upset Kaine any further than necessary.

That said, I’d share the post w/the FBI and ask if they can trace it. I would just ask them to check into it because it could be something, we don’t know. Terri may indeed be a chronic liar and if so, not all the info this poster gave could be truthful. Anything for Kyron.

This is JMO. You have to do what you’re comfortable w/doing.

» Momto7 said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 09:07:04 }
I don’t understand how you can’t love your step-kids or any kids that you care for.
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I feel it is a matter of not KNOWING what love means, or not being able to love at all.
Immaturity and insecurity keep some people from being able to love and care for a spouses children from previous relationships.
I know one woman who is currently raising a child her husband had with another woman after they were married. Learned last night her husband has just moved his current girlfriend and new baby in next door to his wife and family. Talk about being able to LOVE your spouses children!!!!

Oh my God! I hope you reported this post to the authorities! This is terrible. This person is sick! What if she does try to do something to her step child? I’m a step-mother too – to they are grown now – and I’m SICK to read this. Please report this to authorities, if you haven’t. Maybe they could trace who the person was that posted the comment. Are you sure this is not Teri Horman?

Valhall said “that’s between them and LE. Not me and them. ”
Agree. Just trying. It would be nice if they would do the trace and confirm it was Portland, but raising red flags there may not be in the best interest.

Something else .. Kiara is 19 months .. one can only wonder what she saw/experienced that day and how it affects her. Many kids that age with older siblings can express themselves pretty well.

I’m starting to wonder if the real motive wasn’t about Kyron so much as it was about Kaine. IF the MFH plot is true, then what was the motive for that? I really feel like the two are more connected. Plan A didn’t work, so let’s try Plan B. It doesn’t tell us what happened to Kyron, but it likely explains why.

What a terrible, horrible posting! The site is scary as well. I married my second husband with an already made family by me. I had three young children when I wed for the second time. I believe that you love me love my dog so to speak. Not comapring my children to a dog, just saying that what comes with me is a part of me. Love it all.
I hope that person is not really a step-parent. Just some lonley individual trying to fit in or forts. IDK way too scary. The other individuals posted the authorites have researched that site and made investigations. I hope whomever runs that sire has made the authorities aware.

**typo** meant to state “site”… thankful it is Friday!

Cymbaline,

Thanks for the additional samples. The writing samples are very similar — if not identical.

Valhall,

I know you saw all the flashing lights. I just had to point out those that were front and center in my head, including that she lies — simply to get it out of my head! My head was spinning after reading that post. Still is.

Wow. I think it is worthy of notifying LE about it.

WOW!!! The posts on that whole threat were disturbing. Some many women talking about hate and resentment for little kids who hold no responsibility for their situation. What a group of selfish self-centered people there are on that thread. If that wasn’t Teri, it certainly paints a picture of her possible mindset regarding Kyron. If it is not Teri then there is some little boy out there who has a woman full of hate in charge of his care. Very scary thought

Wow — there is a motive in this post — something I hadn’t thought about. I haven’t understood why if Terri wanted rid of Kyron that she didn’t find a way to get his mother to take custody. It’s because then Kaine would have to pay child support.

Interesting an disturbing articile Val..I also wouldnt take any comments from Kaine dismissing a possable conection to the Bank in Denver or anywhere.Kaine paints a picture of himself as somesort of afficable goof come geek who is tottaly oblivious to the wicked womanly wiles an activitys of Terri the woman he was married to an lived under the same roof as.Just as he says when his first wife was 8 months pregnant an he started an afair with Terri he was under the impression that there marrige was over an that Deserie was also of the same opinion.An seems baffled by the fact that she was distraught an hurt by his betrayal.However he does agree to disagree with Deserie over ther two different versions of events.I know whom I belive an Its not Kaine.Dont get me wrong I feel sympathy for him an in know way see him as anything other than a victim in Kyrons disapearace.However its time to set his ego an image he wishes to portry aside an open up .We are not what we think we are.We are what we think.Kaine needs to let us know what he is thinking.Not what he perseives he should be thinking acording to public opinion.

Fancy Feast,

Yes. When I read TMH’s posts, the word narcisissitic comes to mind. Very much into herself IMHO. She seems also to be at times 40-something going on 16 (no offense to 16-year-olds).

Where is this 11:00 interview? I am EST. Tx.

» Just Me said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 12:07:27 }
Cymbaline,
Thanks for the additional samples. The writing samples are very similar — if not identical.

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I also noticed that both women incorrectly use a single space after a period, instead of a double space.

Cymbaline,

Yes. I sometimes wonder if that is not due to the blog program. While I use double-spaces after a period, it appears that I do not on this site. I was hoping to find more quotation use by TH because I think this other person appears to incorrect but periods outside of the marks.

Sorry Val –

I read your post up to the link and then got caught up in that thread. I didn’t get to your final paragraphs. You nailed it — the motive — child support.

It looks like the people who responded scared her off from posting again.

Hi Ecossie Possie,

I was reading your post to Valhall, and I am clueless about why you are mentioning “the Bank in Denver.” What is this all about? Anyone?

Thanks.

Cymbaline,

I think that using a single space after a period is what they are teaching today. It seems to be the new norm in this day and age of texting and emailing.

Just me,

“You can bank on that in Denver.” – John Wayne, Big Jake

Just saw the 1:00 (CST) presser. No statement from either Kaine or Desiree – they just answered questions and most questions were answered with “we can’t comment on that.”

Hi Samantha,

Thanks for the update. Did you learn anything new at all?

Thanks.

I just saw the press conference. Desiree states she believes Terri involved, then Kaine chimes in, “to what extent we don’t know”. Oh brother. (Why Kaine so easy on her) Any extent can find their son.
What the heck is going on!! When they asked Terri in the beginning and suspected something, they said they asked her to be forthwith. And her response was cold. What the heck!!
I’m sorry but I think I would’ve had to slap it out of her before she left my home. Now she’s somewhere else, laywered up and not talking.
That child is missing, she knows, they know she knows…… DO SOMETHING….
She holds the key. Take it!! I know easier said then done… but GEEZZ!!!
Patience is not one of my virtues.

Dear Valhal & All:

I myself am on the flipside so-to-speak. My wife is the step parent of my daughter whom she has been around since she was 7. In the beginning both my now wife and daughter were really good friends and my daughter was excited to come over on her regularly scheduled weekends but within a couple years something changed. My daughter began to resent her and I wasn’t sure where or how. I remember her mother and I, when we were first going through our divorce proceedings, how my daughter would ask when me and mommy will get back together. It broke my heart! For those who are not divorced let me relay to you this: you will be ordered to take divorced parenting classes and when I was in that class I never felt like more of a loser but I took it very seriously. It was discussed how children are affected, the stages to look out for and on top of everything, the most important thing was: Never, Ever, Never bash the other parent regardless of what feeling you had for the other. Just so you all know, I never asked for the divorce heck “we” just bought a house and within 3 months my now ex was seeing her ex-boyfriend whom was married and I had a great amount of respect for him and, shoot me now, he was the one I trusted more with my wife then anyone (which is another story). Either way; she asked me to leave and I did. It was a good 2 months before I would see my daughter due to the fits of depression it caused me especially knowing I was going to be a part-time father. Either way I digress. Watching from the outside my daughter growing up I noticed how much influence my ex, her mom, had on her. I had 1 serious relationship between her mom and my now wife and in an effort to be involved more with my daughter my ex-fiancé and I would commonly get together; play cards have dinner until one day my ex-fiancé came to me one day and just said “I hate your ex-wife”. Angela never really told me the reason but for that matter I didn’t really like hanging out with my ex anyways so I never pressed the issue and never returned to just “hang-out”. Well Angela and I would eventually split and 6mos later I met my current wife. Again, since my daughter really seemed to enjoy Heather we attempted just hanging-out…again. Everything was going good for a couple months until one day, after returning from my daughter soccer game, Heather came to me and said “she hates my ex-wife”…hmmm; what’s going on and at that time she didn’t say anything but eventually she would divulge to me that my ex was attempting to have me sign over all my rights to my daughter!! Not only that she was saying what a horrible person I was and this and that however, my wife found her rants baseless and without merit. I was not the person she was describing but what I made me realize was that my ex became spiteful. I honestly believe she intended, once we were divorced, that I would become a broken man.

As the years passed my daughter was coming over less and less. It was expected as she approaches her teen years friends become a very important part. However my wife would continue to make her room in our house special; painting her room to a color, at the time, she thought would be a color she would like. Well with her new friends periwinkle was out and black was in so she ended up hating the room but never voiced it…not really. She accepted it. As most parents do we tried, as a unit, to instill responsibility. She was part of the National Honors Society and wanted to go on all these trips; Europe, Australia but if she wanted to go “we” were going to make her work for it. She would come over do some of the chores around the house but eventually would make up excuses not to come. It is my opinion that she was just expecting me to just give her the money. At work I did a fund raiser and sought sponsorship but it wasn’t enough, sad to say. Her stepfather, whom I still had a lot of respect for, put-up a lot of money but alas it didn’t go anywhere. My daughter thought that even he should just give her the money without having to earn it. (Did I mention that my ex-wife stopped working soon after our divorce so the only employed person in the household was stepdad).

Then came the all important cell-phone. Her stepdad and I had strong objections to the need for a 12yr old to have a cell-phone but my wife decided this may be a way to get back into my daughters good graces so she bought her one for Christmas, but it came with conditions; because the phone was a pay phone she would have to work for the minutes and all she had to do was come over at least one weekend a month and do chores (mainly clean her room and bathroom and odds and ends nothing to extreme IMO, and had certain time limits like she couldn’t be on the phone during school hours and or texting and the phone would be off at 8pm sharp) and it seemed to go really good so my wife decided to put my daughter on her phone plan. Because of the conditions we had we would ensure she was abiding our conditions and would check her phone record and we started finding many instances of which she was texting after hours (as late as 1am) and the phone was taken away. In order for her to earn her phone back she would have to come over and do additional chores so if she chose not to show for a few weeks she didn’t have her phone. Either way now that she was on an actual plan my daughter, who was coming over every other weekend was now coming over just one weekend and most of the time it was Friday to Saturday as she would have something on Sunday but we abided by our conditions and she was over at least one weekend a month but then on one of her scheduled weekends she called and said that “mommy is doing this and I want to do it to cause I’m not doing anything fun at your house but working”. She was reminded of the conditions of the phone which she said she would come over the next weekend which came and went. 2 months would go by and when she came over I had her clean the base boards all over the house to earn the 2 months she didn’t come over. Well she complained to her mom and at that time she gave the phone back and we were stuck with two phones and a year long contract. This was part of the demise of my daughter and wife’s relationship. But my wife stayed strong and we continued to try and include her in our lives especially when she would come over.

Another aspect to consider is at one point my ex came to me and said that our daughter was not thankful for the activities they would sometimes do like, going to Chuck Cheese, movies, Boondocks(a huge activity place go-carts, boats, rock climbing and she was just unappreciative because those were things we would sometimes do. My ex often referred to me as Disney Land Dad so, in an effort to make my daughter more appreciative, I toned it down considerably. Many times we would plan camping trips and she wanted to go but something would be bugging her and she spent her time secluded often times on her phone with her mom complaining about something and at our last camping trip with her we cut it short cause it was obvious she didn’t want to be there and for the first time ever her mom came and picked her up at our house (we live an hour apart and she refused to meet half way so I made the trip 99.9% of the time). My daughter would tell me that she was fine but my wife overheard her on the phone complaining to her mom even though she would tell me that she wasn’t on the phone with her mom which we found curious as her mom was at my house within 15 minutes of us arriving home.

Then there is the part in which my daughter would relay to my wife and I that she didn’t like her stepdad or his parents and we were sympathetic to that but at the same time most of it dealt with her stepdad would enforce the same rules I had, either way when my wife and I had our first child, her brother, my daughter was excited; she always wanted a brother, so we thought it would be exciting for her to spend Christmas Eve with us for her brother; its his first Christmas and being she was so excited we thought she would come but her mom didn’t like the idea and my daughter didn’t want to miss getting gifts or disappointing her mom. It is my opinion that her mother controlled many aspects of my daughters life in which she would manipulate her enough to feel guilty about coming over. My daughter would often tell me how mommy would talk bad about me and it seemed to disturb my daughter and, although I wanted so many times to set the record straight, I never bad mouthed her mom because…that’s her mom. But as she got older I did let her know that if she ever questioned the reasoning behind our split to ask her grandparents, I told her what I thought was okay and relayed to her that I would not lie to her as I have nothing to gain her mom, on the other hand who was telling her all kinds of false truths had everything to lose but she said it was fine but in many instances her mom was telling her things that were opposite of what I was saying and or interring un-related events. Either way the one thing I did try and let her know, or try to make her understand and look at our separation from my point was that when I left her soon to be stepfather moved in but she hasn’t quit put the pieces together. She believes her mom is a saint but if she looked at all the “events’ that have transpired with her she would see that she is far from.

Which leads me to my point; my wife does not “hate” my daughter but because of my ex-wifes influence she dislikes her because she is starting to see a lot of my ex in her which she despises My daughter graduated high school this year and leading up to it were several big events including senior pictures. At the beginning of the school year I was asked if I would be able to pitch in for the photos and at that time we were struggling as my wife gave birth to our second son (who was named after Caylee) so money was tight and I said to her I needed a week or so to figure out the finances but before I could do anything my ex got them done and tried to stick me with a $350 bill (she said that was half) My son’s pictures, with 9 poses and back grounds and many sizes costs me $150, so I refused to pay for them. My daughter then informs me that a one of my ex’s and I’s friends in high school did the photos and didn’t charge for them…bad mommy! And because of my refusal to pay for photos I never go one until this summer. Her mom then tries to stick us the bill for invitation to the graduation and at that point my wife finally had had enough and began speaking/texting with her and, to make sure my daughter was aware of the situation, she cc. her on all texts. My wife finally put in, in her texts, all the antics my ex had pulled over the years and the last reply from my ex was “your last child support payment is in November of this year and I never want to hear from you again”. But with all that said, I did watch my daughter graduate and due to a last minute scheduling clearing on my daughters side, I was able to throw her an impromptu graduation party inviting all my side of the family as well as her favorite cousins and her boyfriend and in the end, on her Facebook page of all things, she thanks her mom for all that she had done for her graduation party never once mentioning me. Perhaps I am selfish, perhaps I am wrong in my view of this but my parents, her aunts and uncles, cousins all saw her Facebook post and we were all hurt by the un-mentioning of me and my side. And with that my wife has pretty much written my daughter off. So, although she doesn’t hate her, it is understandable why she doesn’t like her.

Hi all,
A few words come to my mind after reading that thread. Disgust, appalled, hurt, and worry. I cannot understand how those peoples’ mind work!!!!! I have 3 step-children where the oldest is only 7 years younger than me. Yes it is strange my husband is 13 years older than me and he got started early. I love my 3 three step children as much as my own. He loves my 2 children as if they were his. I never knew that mothers or fathers could resent children so much. My step-father raised me and he his my father. I thank God for him everyday, he treated no different and to this day he introduces me as his daughter. I cannot imagine someone resenting a child so much. How could you wish harm to come to a child??? I don’t care if they your step-child are not. These people are ugly, they are jealous and lack self-esteem in themselves. It is obvious that these children know the resentment towards them, there is no way they could be in these homes and not know it.
I am angry and at a loss for more words at this moment. Every being in my soul says I should go on that thread and tell em all what I feel about their lack of humanism. It is no wonder why we have horror stories about the loss of children everywhere when people like these are in charge of raising them. It is dishearten to say the least.

Val, a couple of weeks ago a google search revealed the Methods of Filicide:Stepparents and Genetic Parents Kill Differently, which can be found here:

http://www.toddkshackelford.com/downloads/Weekes-Shackelford-Shackelford-VV-2004.pdf

According to this, stepparents commit filicide at higher rates than genetic parents and filicide committed by stepparents is likely motivated by rage, bitterness and resentment. Further, one study by Daly and Wilson concluded that Stepfathers, in particular, were more likely than genetic parents to commit filicide via bludgeoning and beatings. Alternately, they found that genetic fathers preferred filicide methods that produced relatively quick and painless death”.

Apparently the fact that a child resides in a home with a stepparent places them at risk for abuse, neglect and filicide. Seemingly, there is very little research regarding the specifics of stepmothers and filicide. If Kyron is no longer with us, this information makes me fear that his death may have been very violent and perhaps even drawn out.

Val,

If there is a chance that this post was from TH, it would be a critical piece of evidence. I have been trying to find posts by RDSQRL for a comparison and it’s been hard. I think some sites might have been scrubbed. The authorities would need to get that post and the IP sooner than TH reads this blog and finds a way to scrub it.

Your question about a speech impediment might have been the wrong question. It might be a learning disorder and dads don’t always get that.

Fanct Feast here is a link to several postings by Terro Horman or Redsuirl http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/07/red-squirrels.html

Typo mean Terri not Terro

Has anyone asked Kaine who bought the C.S.I,,T Shirt an when it was purchased. Also who chose Kyrons clothes that day .Had he ever worn that particular T Shirt to school before.Was Terri a fan of those type of crime shows,

» Valhall said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 06:07:05 }
I would have to disagree with you. If you’ve been following the Anthony case you do have experience with a pathological liar. Their fathers have ministrokes when they don’t want to go with their girlfriend to pick up cars. Their non-existent nannies have car accidents where medical staff don’t find concussions and lacerations for days. And they woke up every night with their bra pushed up around their adam’s apple and their older brother sitting on the floor glaring at them.

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Wow Val, I just don’t know how to get my point across without making it seem like “I don’t believe it could be Terri”

Yes it may very well be Terri. No doubt there are similarities and not once did I state there was NO WAY it was Terri. Maybe just one person will get what I’m trying to say.

stepmom2kids’s posted on a site where initially there were like minded people. Apparently she felt comfortable enough to tell them she wished her stepson would die, choke etc.

WHY LIE WHEN YOUR FEELINGS WERE ACCEPTABLE? I could see this person making stuff up to make themselves look better but why make yourself look worse, your feelings were acceptable to the group you were talking to at the time.

NOW, once she posted and people started calling her out on her sickeness, she never posted again (under that name), WHY because her feelings weren’t as acceptable as she thought!

I actually pray it was TH, then I don’t have to worry that there is another sick individual out there that wants their step-child to die.

MLR,

GEEZE LOUISE!

Why are you arguing with ME??? **I** am the one that stated in the OP I DON’T THINK IT IS TERRI. I’m very confused.

Also, to those who think it MIGHT be Terri and think it should be turned into LE – GET UP ON IT! Someone stated earlier I should go with my gut feel. I have stated my gut feel is that IT ISN’T TERRI. Someone else said they think that’s premature. PREMATURE, IMMATURE OR OVERMATURE that’s my gut feel. Somebody feels adamantly that I’m wrong…TURN IT IN!

And then lastly…to those thinking the comment should be turned into the FBI. Are you friggin kidding me? There has been no threat of crime made, just very concerning fantasies of a child choking to death, wishes he would be abducted by aliens and public confessions of absolutely hating her stepson.

UNTIL WE CONVERT TO THE MINORITY REPORT SYSTEM YOU CAN’T BE CHARGED FOR BEING AN ALL OUT UNADULTERATED ASSWIPE….NOT EVEN INVESTIGATED! No – I won’t be sending an email to the FBI that says “Oh my effing gosh a stepmom hates her stepson and wishes he would choke to death! Investigate her!!!”

Okay…so I guess I’ve responded to absolutely every comment on here directed to me. I’m not upset with anybody, but seriously folks.

I stated in my article why I put the post and link up. Two reasons, to show that there are step-parents out there who not only don’t bond but REALLY HATE their stepchildren, and that Terri could have had similar hatred, thoughts of demise, fomenting resentment, etc.; and to discuss possible motives.

Sorry for not responding to your e mail Val I just saw it.I take it you resolved the matter.

Val, great that you checked that out. It is amazing how someone could care enough to marry a person and then not have the heart to be loving and kind a child.

MLR,

I think everyone understands the point you’re trying to get across. They’re just answering your question, which was: “WHY LIE WHEN YOUR FEELINGS WERE ACCEPTABLE?”

Answer: Because that’s what pathological liars do.

They lie all. the. time. Sometimes for no reason at all.

No ecossie. I still would like you to just email back with a snippet letting me know. I’m blocked.

Thanks.

Val,

Not arguing at all!

This was on the facebook page that someone posted earlier, How on earth do you add a HAPPY FACE to the end of this???

Terri Moulton Horman Kitty has been hugged by lots of people both in person and via internet. She keeps going in Kyron’s room, sitting on his bed and reading his books.

» Pumpkin said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 03:07:14 }
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Thanks Pumpkin!

I need that song I’m just a soul whose intention are good oh lord please don’t let me be misunderstood..ha

» MLR said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 03:07:46 }

OMG i thought and wanted to post the SAME exact thing!! (just had a busy work day)

But YEAH smiley and not a frown? Eww

OMG just read this article and I can’t believe anyone would post something like that-let alone carry those thoughts around. It is disturbing to say the least and very scary to think that whoever this person is-is responsible for the majority of the care for that child. My wish is that the person who wrote that is discovered and some kind of intervention takes place before something horrible happens to the child.
I can see where you would think Terri would write this and who knows she might have and changed some details. I get the feeling she has the same type disorder that Cindy Anthony has-She cares more about how things appear to the outside world than the reality of the situation. How scary is it to think you know someone love them, marry them and leave your precious child with them and find out that this kind of thing is going on in their head. Talk about trust issues-

Thank God Kiara is away from terri now

I also noticed alot of her ‘cute kitty’ posts seem really unlikely (or lies) and seems Kiara was left to her own devices pretty often

» Mrs C Hop said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 03:07:17 }
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I also noticed that she (for the most part) only “liked” comments directed to her. She sure spent alot of time on FB. There were quite a few places where were. I can’t fathom smiling at anything, even if it was a nice comment the whole situation was/is sad!

Is a full moon on it’s way or have I just had a long & tiring week?

didnt see any posts about kyron tho hm

» ecossie possie said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 02:07:54 }

I have been wondering about that T-shirt too. I want to know if it was new or something Kyron had for awhile. It may mean something or it may not. What are the odds your child goes missing on science fair day while wearing a CSI T-shirt?

The message I heard during the conference today was: If you even know Terri, Dede or Kyron > talk to the authorities. Terri emailed all the time – go back on your emails – if anything at all could mean something (even not to you) share it with authorities. Did Kyron tell a friend anything about what was going on at home? Tell the authorities.
People say they are afraid – they don’t want to get involved. Think of Kyron! Get involved!

Sorry the post I made concerning the article was made after reading the article and before reading ANY comments. I am not trying to stir any pots and feel free to delete if I said something I should not have.

Samantha – It seems like there’s more that comes out between the press conferences that at the actual press conferences.

I wonder if KH & DY are starting to backpeddle a little. Not so much regarding what they think/know happened, but that LE may not have the evidence to prosecute. Could explain why some think KH is still supporting TH.

Legal question – Typically a spouse cannot/will not be asked to testify against their partner. If they are divorced, can KH testify about happenings from when they were married? What if the request for abatement is approved and the divorce put off?

For all who are discussing single spaces vs double spaces after a period. The single space is now preferred in colleges (at least the one I attended).

Sorry Val I cant see what your refering to Ive checked an rechecked an Its not there?At least not for me.Perhaps something or other is blocking it.

Mrs. C,

Her daily posts were only about what was happening with Kitty. I don’t see anything mentioned about Kyron at all. She doesn’t even post it on her own wall when he disappeared even though she was on there that much. The only mention of Kyron was when the one child sent her a message.

Like all of you i wake everyday & pray as i sign on the internet that news of Kyron being found (god forbid dead) or alive) so that we know the truth & procede accordingly. It’d be a miracle if he was just being held somewhere & that person helping Terri would just let him go but i fear Terri is the one who hurt Ky all by herself & there is no other *someone* we could appeal (beg) to let Kyron come home. If not a child Sex O. which after 2 months none has been identified as being seen in the area & acting strange then the one responsible is the Last One in charge of lil Kyron & thats Terri. Everything she’s done & her behaviour from June 4th doesn’t jive with someone who even remotely cared about Ky. She’s upset with police wanting a complete accounting of her day & failying multiple polygraph’s & finally refusing to take a 3rd poly.

Some think body language & demeanor don’t mean much but i recall as an 7 yr old holding my cousin’s chihuahua & dropping the dog which broke it’s leg & i recall the guilt i felt for not being more carefu, the rear’sl (at 7 yrs old mind you) & i compare that to a 40 yr old woman’s (stepmom ) behaviour & it’s pretty obvious to me that i cared more about that dog’s broken leg than Terri does for a lil boy she helpded raise from an infant. If a child on my or anyone of you on this site went *missing* on o ur watches i’m certain we’d all be basket cases * going to the gym & getting along wiht our lives as Terri said she was told to do would be the last things we’d be doing.

Also want to add that i’ve been a nanny before to 3 Iranian children & protected them asthough they were my own & almost broke my arm during a fall i took while holding the 6 month old Sophia trying to protect her lil skull from hitting concrete. Was i thinking i may break my arm? Nope i only thought of her lil head & what would i do or say if this baby were hurt on my watch. That’s why Terri never came close to acting like something horrible that was out of her control happened to to this sweet lil boy,

I really wish this was Terri venting her true feelings for Kyron & hopefully after venting those feelings she could deal with the day to day life of taking care of small children of which the demands are many. As if just saying it outloud or voicing it on a forum would give some relief & keep one from acting on those feelings. I feel Terri did give some clue’s of her inclination’s toward’s Kyron being a burden but only in the light of he being to much to handle, not that she as the adult…..couldn’t handle it.

I do not believe that the blog post on the step-parent blog was Terri. As Val said, there are so many people out there that fit tha scenario. Plus, I just can’t believe anyone who was actually thinking about doing away with a child would advertise.

That being said, I do believe that many people who have an attitude about other people (children or adults) will tend to fabricate or embellish circumstances to get other people to side with them. That is a human flaw with many people who are immature.

please excuse my spelling i was in a hurry.

I could not bring myself to read the nightmare stepmother’s post…but am horrified and depressed just reading about it.

But I am glad you posted it, Val, because it certainly opens a ( terrible) window into the thinking of individuals like that.

I know so many people here feel as I do, that they wish they could just scoop up some of these children and take them out of such terrible situations.

To make you all feel better ( maybe), I will relate a little story..

I have some Indian friends in the State of Oaxaca. They are artisans, so they get by…but quite poor by our standards.

They have quite a few kids, and are always stretched to provide for them…but one day, they were walking along the river, and found a baby girl, nicely wrapped up – but abandoned. ( This is actually quite rare). They picked her up, and waited all day to see if anyone showed up…and when no one did, they took her home.

Of course, they asked everyone…but ended up raising her as their own.
The mom told me that maybe she loved her most, as she was such a surprise gift!
She is now about 17 and lively , pretty and happy.

My kind of parents….as well as the people who post here. Good to remember there are folks with loving hearts, while we wade through heartbreak like we feel for Kyron and Caylee.

Hi Valhall,

Thank you so much for the insight on possible motive. I seemed to have gotten so caught up in the similarities — and understandably!

MLR,

Yes, no kidding! I would be sobbing and unable to function that way. There is far too much happiness in that post. And it seems as though she pictures Kitty inheriting Kyron’s stuff — “sitting on HIS bed and reading HIS books.” I understand how she could be showing how much Kitty loves Kyron, but I’m sorry…. I would be searching everywhere for Kyron and beating myself up for leaving the SF early. Even if someone told me to go about my business as usual (going to the gym, etc) there is no way I could. My exercise would be running mut butt around looking for Kyron.

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» MLR said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 03:07:46 }
This was on the facebook page that someone posted earlier, How on earth do you add a HAPPY FACE to the end of this???

Terri Moulton Horman Kitty has been hugged by lots of people both in person and via internet. She keeps going in Kyron’s room, sitting on his bed and reading his books.

» Just Me said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 05:07:06 }
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EXACTLY! She seems to have no concern what so ever about the current situation.

I am so disturbed by that sight, Just the fact that there a topic like that exists pisses me off tremendously. As a step mom to 2 great kids I can’t imagine my life without them. Until they came into my life I didn’t even think I wanted to have children, now I have 2 more ! I am also the child of a step-mother and she is the reason I am the step-mom I am. I will admit that the mothers of my step children have a little bit of a hard time hearing me say I have 4 children, but IMO, I do. I also have made each mom a GOD parent to each of my children heaven forbid anything happen to my husband or I. They are great ladies and I respect them and just because it didn’t work out with my husband and them does not mean they are bad people.

I guess it is easier for people to be hateful than considerate. I also realize not all people are as lucky as I am but children don’t pick their parents or the circumstances they are in, it’s up to us to make sure they are loved no matter who they belong to!

JMHO

In the first place this is the one and only motive I’ve heard or imagined that actually made sense. I read this post and I finally understand who Terri is, even if she didn’t write it. Odds are it isn’t her but there aren’t that many step-mothers who wish their step-child was dead. There is also the connection that this is primarily a garden forum and Terri was into gardening. The forum includes family links –such as ‘parents of infants’ and ‘parents of toddlers’. I could definitely see Terri being on this forum.

During today’s press conference they were asking for more help from those who corresponded with her (and implied forums). So yeah — I acted. Still, it was Valhall’s find.

Sorry for being OT on my last post, just frustrated!

Was there any new information gained from today from the Q & A session? Someone said something like KH was kind of back peddling, on what questions?

Seems like everyone has stories about step kids. Some happy and some sad.
If the parents are divorced and one parent try to turn the child against the other parent, it can make for an unhappy time for the kid and the stepparent. So therefore, a kid being influenced by a parent is not the kid’s fault. But it sure makes it hard for a couple trying to make a home for a stepchild who constantly has the ex pitting them against the other. Personally, I think CPS should be bought in when these things are evident in a parent.
I have seen this type of behavior in many broken marriages with children. It makes you want to go to the Ex causing all the problems and shake some sense into them.
In my ex’s second marriage, I seen it from the step mom and when the third wife appeared, it was like a breath of fresh air. I really love her to this day and thank her so much for the years of support and love she gave my children when they were in her care.

This poster is really not being honest with her hubby about her feelings for his son.
So maybe she doesn’t really love the man the way she should. If she truly loved him, she would explain her true feelings to him and let him decide if he wants to stay with her, in light of the way she feels about his son. She is not only lying to herself but to her hubby. And that does not equal a happy marriage. I think some people stay in a marriage because they are afraid to be on their own.
I think this explains why Terri stayed in the marriage, she was afraid to be on her own and take responibility for herself. To hate some one so bad to do away with their child is a very strong hate. A person that full of hate does not see things clearly.
I think her motive was just pure and evil haterd for Kaine and it over flowed to Kyron.

Fancy Feast,

Thank you for taking action. I had made one phone call in the earlier stages to merely say “Please collect video footage before it is too late!” I had one minute or so left on my calling card — yes, I am that broke. Just finished a degree and can’t find a job to safe my life. It is very depressing.

Nevertheless, I quickly rattled off my phone number AND email address before the card ran out. I gave them my email address because I am on dial up and looking for work constantly. So, if they phoned me and received a busy signal, they could at least email. I did not even have time to say exactly why I was calling. I heard absolutely nothing. No contact whatsoever. Therefore, I was not the right person for the task. I knew someone would do it, and I thank you for it.

Val,

Haven’t read the posts yet- so apologies if this has already been addressed or discussed. But I hope the authorities were notified regardless of whether the poster was Terri. I got sick to my stomach reading it- some poor little child is very much at risk.

I’m going to go and read the posts now- but if this hasn’t been discussed, please let us know if this has been reported. I will gladly do it myself if no one else has or wants to. Thanks.

Okay just read the posts. I understand that the woman didn’t say “I *plan* on doing harm to my stepchild.” But nevertheless, I don’t think I would be able to go to sleep tonight with this post weighing on me. So, with all due respect to the bloggers (and Val) who have discussed the subject of contacting LE, I have to do it. If LE says piss off or I’m crazy, so be it. But I don’t want it to be on my conscience that I saw something like this and just shook my head.

Let me finish by saying that I am NOT casting judgement on anyone else who does/will not call. I’m just saying that I can’t personally come across something like that and not do anything.

I’ll let you guys know what I am told.

I’m not very smart about this, and I am not asking the question correctly on google – can LE search the internet using her IP address and find out the various places that she posted? It is obvious that she has been posting all over, even since Kyron’s disappearance. I know how to find the IP address of an individual post, but I wondered if they could do it in reverse?
Thanks!
Annie

Good for you KWest! You are doing the right thing following your conscience.

KWest,

Did you get anywhere with the call? I tried to post at the site but it said I had to register first. Who did you use to report it? I would like to do the same, maybe the more that do it, will help to get it taken seriously, kind of like Eric Preimesberger.

TIA

To all those who would like to send any information about the Kyron Horman case via email, you can seemingly do so via:

pio@mcso.us

Before I have to completely shut this thread down to further comments I’d like to point out that NO ONE has the right cast judgment on anyone else on this site about how they react to information posted here.

So…I’ve deleted several posts to clean this thread up.

Just Me:

I DID NOT ASSUME ANYTHING. In fact, the only person making assumptions right now is you. My statement was in response to those who said that they didn’t think anything could be done- and even to them, there was nothing smug, malicious or accusatory. If you have hurt feelings over that, I don’t know what to say. I’ve explained that I wasn’t suggesting that anybody here is uncaring or unwilling to help others. If you cannot accept that and still have hurt feelings, I don’t know what else to tell you. But your words thereafter suggest that your hurt feelings really have very little to do with me anyway. I’m sorry for your troubles and wish you all the best. But I am not devoting any more energy on the subject.

MLR:

I called my local police station and after explaining the situation, they gave me the 800 number for the Internet Crime Complaint Center (www.ic3.gov). Their office is closed and you can’t leave VM with a complaint. Their email seems to be set up just for reporting internet fraud. To be honest I was a little unsure that they gave me the right people, but the police department assured me this is whom I report to. If they are correct that is very troubling, because you can only report these problems M-F EST business hours regardless of where you are in the country. I’m going to call again Monday morning. Just in case you want the number too: 800- 251-7581

That said, if you know of another # or agency to call, let me know.

I’m hoping that you are right- if they have not already investigated the matter, they will because of the # of complaints.

MLR,

I accidentally deleted your last post. Sorry about that. It wasn’t because of anything you said. Repost if you wish.

KWest,

Thanks so much for the information. I too will call on Monday….let’s hope they have already investigated the safety of this little boy but if not I feel in my heart we are doing the right thing!

MLR,

My God! Why wait until Monday? I surely didn’t.

You can Val’s valuable insight here: pio@mcso.us

Val,
Don’t shut the thread down, it’s important! I’m sorry and won’t respond anymore to Justme.

Agreed to everything that MLR just said.

Val, please check your email.

I won’t waste my breath commenting on the evil human who posted that about her husband’s child. It truly sounds like this child is autistic, from what she describes. I have worked with a boy who has Asperger syndrome -he is very bright, but has an unusual voice/speech and cannot interact socially with others very well. If that boy is high-functioning, then it is most likely not formally diagnosed by professionals. Poor little fella, I wish it could be traced, and this child could be helped.

just me: “How can I contact you peronsally? I feel that I am being harrassed.”

……i seriously doubt that you are being harassed, here of all places.

…sometimes certain topics cause emotions to run high, a potentially abused step-child is certain to send everyone’s blood pressure sky rocketing.

…speaking for myself——i’ve been posting here for months now——–the ONLY forum i have ever seen that does not require “moderation” ——i’m sure val could go on vacation for a few weeks and while things make get heated and shaky at times—- everyone settles down in the end.

…take a deep breath——i’m sure all is good.
( note: there is a “contact” email for valhall on the top right.)

I don’t believe that Terri wrote the stepmom posting. I believe her hatred of Kaine is the main driving force behind what has happened. She tried the MFH scheme first, we now know.

When that didn’t work, I think she moved on to a plot she could handle–that is, doing something to his child.

So I agree with CLMinor and ElyLily that her initial hatred was towards Kaine.

Hope you have a good weekend, Val.

Kaine said that Terri liked CSI. If she has caused Kyron’s disappearance and done it through planning, perhaps she took some of her notions from crime fiction such as this apparent favorite. But the series ‘Without a Trace’ might also be of interest to Terri, no way to know, but often tv series are aired back to back with a captive audience.

I did a brief search, and found that there was a movie from 1983 called ‘Without a Trace’. The story was based on a young boy heading off to school, waving goodbye to his mother, and no one saw him again. The story of the missing boy was based on NY missing child Etan Patz, who apparently was never seen again. The movie assured the audience though through its ‘Hollywood ending’, that the young boy was alive and well, living hidden away in an apartment, kept for houseduties as a caregiver. The movie, the mother fought everyone and everything to keep the notion of her boy alive and out there, and she solved the crime and found her boy.

If Terri Horman just can stay to plan, keep quiet, and no one ever finds the missing child, and if as is natural, the parents hold out hope (as they should) that Kyron is out there to be found with the possibility of a Hollywood ending, Terri will have been successful in a plan, if she had a role in Kyron’s disappearance.

Maybe she has seen this movie, the same leaving for class-gone-missing. Unlike the movie (I watched the trailer) Terri has not taken a polygraph, she has not fought tooth and nail for her step-son by speaking out and actively participating with authorities, nor has she gone out on her own to search.

Maybe this movie could have been the notion behind her plan, leaving open the possibility that the child is alive ‘forever’. This may be a case that takes years to solve, and with some good luck, unlike the story of Etan, who was never found (according to the movie review– whenever it was written).

What the heck is going on? Nevermind I probably will be happier not knowing.
What do you guys think of Kaine and Desiree thinking Kyron is alive? Do you think they’ve heard something or are they just holding on to hope. I am hearing DeDe is co-operating with LE now-anyone heard anymore on that?

@Just Me

Can you please take a moment to read this? Thank You

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/19/personal-message-to-readers/

DVD release for the 1983 ‘Without a Trace’ was not until March 2005. About the time of Desiree’s illness and Kyron taken to live with with his father? Or did it come out in the bulk bins of Target and Albertson’s more recently?

Just Me,

The sheriff’s office asked in their recent press conference, that no one use the ‘tip’ line for any personal theories or thoughts of the case. Maybe it’s the same with the email. Sounded like they are getting a lot of people calling to suggest their thoughts, nothing more.

(not sure what all the other posts are about, hope those problems get solved soon)

http://www.bethgutcheon.com/pgs/still_missing.html

The original novel on which the movie script was based, was titled ‘Still Missing’ and was also published in a Reader’s Digest condensed version, so was widely accessible.

An excerpt from the above weblink:

“Alex Selky, going on seven, so eager to grow up, kissed his mother good-bye on their front steps on the hot bright morning of May 15, 1980, and marched himself down the street on his way to the New Boston School of Back Bay, two blocks from his corner. He never arrived at school, and from the moment he turned the corner, he apparently disappeared from the face of the earth.”

Just Me, I didn’t see a website link, only the email to contact the sherriff’s office. Yes, the sherriff’s office site is worth a look.

Don’t know what went on here tonight and don’t want to look back to see. You can be sure Val will have things in hand soon enough. Monday is another week.

Take care.

Kleat: “DVD release for the 1983 ‘Without a Trace’ was not until March 2005. About the time of Desiree’s illness and Kyron taken to live with with his father? ”

…kyron was born sept.9/2002—-i believe desiree went for medical treatment january of 2004.

Kleat: “Unlike the movie (I watched the trailer) Terri has not taken a polygraph.”

…terri (went for) 3 polygraphs:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/09/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-walked-out-on-polygraph/

“He (kaine) said the first time Terri Moulton Horman took a polygraph she was “very vocal” among friends and family that she’d failed. Kaine Horman says she made excuses, and he gave her the benefit of the doubt. He declined to say what questions allegedly tripped her up.

Several days later, he says, she agreed to take a second polygraph but walked out before the questions began. Around 10 days later, she finally agreed to sit down again for a lie detector. Once again, he says, she failed.

………during today’s news conference, kaine mentioned that in addition to CSI, terri waa also a big fan of “dexter” ( apparently another “crime type show” .)

@ Mrs. C Hop and MLR

RE: TMH’s posts… Have you seen the kgw article, “Terri Horman reveals herself in profile surveys”? Excerpt follows in italics.

The results of two online surveys posted on Terri Horman’s Facebook page provide a unique chance to see how Kyron Horman’s stepmom perceives herself.

The entire survey carries 67 questions. A count of the answers shows 25% of the answers dealt with working out or the body. Eight percent of the answers mentioned her toddler Kiara. Three percent related to her husband Kaine. Zero percent mention her step son, Kyron….

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Insights-to-Terri-Horman-98377499.html

http://www.helpfindmychild.net/kyron-horman

ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office (Oregon) Tip Line 1-503-261-2847

If you have any information on Kyron Horman please contact the official numbers above immediately. Alternatively, you can e-mail us here at Help Find My Child – you can do this in strictest confidence – we will make sure your information is passed on to the relevant places.

In regard to motive . . .

If we are looking at all possibilities, then are there scenarios in which Terri would have had “squirreled” Kyron away out of a “positive” motive? Could she have LOVED Kyron, knew her marriage was falling apart and was afraid of losing the boy she has cared for most of his life? (doesn’t justify, but could explain) This could explain why her friend DeDe is keeping mum, as well? And if there was anything in his life that they felt they were protecting him from . . . someone who loved him might well be willing to go to jail if it meant he’d be safe? Thoughts?

Ellejay! You are right of course– duh! She did take poly’s, just like the movie, but of course, unlike the ficticious movie script, she didn’t pass!

I didn’t know about the missing boy Etan Patz…”He was the first child to be featured on a milk carton, and the anniversary of his disappearance became National Missing Children’s Day.”

This story was so well known, and in March this year, CBS’s show Crimesider, revisited Etan’s story. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006148-504083.html

If Terri was involved, she could have a plan like this one, to continue be a sympathetic stepmother character in the loss of her little boy, but seems LE is not going to let Kyron’s case grow cold. They may already know what they are facing here.

Terri could have known this story, from many accounts, even as late as March with the news that no one was ever charged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etan_Patz

Etan did not return at 3:30 on his school bus, just like Kyron.

So many parallels in this story, could it have served as a model for getting away with criminal behaviour?

The Wiki article talks about the suspect, a child molester in jail– geeze, there was even a parallel in the Horman case, with the uncle from Snohomish County, near Seattle.

Kleat: “This story was so well known, and in March this year, CBS’s show Crimesider, revisited Etan’s story. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006148-504083.html
Terri could have known this story, from many accounts, even as late as March with the news that no one was ever charged.”

…….you’re absolutely right. i don’t believe that she woke up on june 4th and theought “hey—–today i am going to……..”
…..this was a plan she had going for awhile.

…perhaps she did see the “crimesider” in march, and drew on that as well, while formulating her own actions.

» Kleat said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 01:07:44 }
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etan_Patz

Etan did not return at 3:30 on his school bus, just like Kyron.

So many parallels in this story, could it have served as a model for getting away with criminal behaviour?

The Wiki article talks about the suspect, a child molester in jail– geeze, there was even a parallel in the Horman case, with the uncle from Snohomish County, near Seattle.

This raises an interesting question. How common is it for criminals like Casey & Terri to use a movie, show, book or similar case for information, inspiration, etc.? I know that many of us have pointed out parallels in both cases, but I do wonder if in actuality there is anything to it? I’m not saying you’re wrong (because goodness knows I have done it myself). But I am wondering if there is any research out there that links child murder with pop culture.

……..”while formulating her own actions???” ( i said that? )

…….( good grief—–i’ve been reading too many (P.I. wanna-be) lee anthony transcripts! )

Valhall,

Excellent post and site! Thanks for all your hard work.

Sometime since I first started following Kyron’s story, I came across a post about the “Cinderella Effect” and discovered that there are a number of frightening statistics regarding (some!) step-parents.

Anyone who is interested can google the term “Cinderella Effect” to find out more. The paper, The “Cinderella effect”: Elevated mistreatment of stepchildren in comparison to those living with genetic parents by Martin Daly and Margo Wilson is particularly well-documented. Among the sad statistics (albeit from a rather dated study):

Duberman (1975), to take a single example, interviewed a select sample of well-established, “successful”, middle class, registered-marriage U.S. stepfamilies, and reported that only 53% of the stepfathers and 25% of the stepmothers felt able to say that they had any “parental feeling” (much less“love”) for their stepchildren. [emphasis mine]

So sad to think what so many children suffer within their own families. I strongly agree that parent or step-parent hardly matters when it comes to the real problem these “caretakers” all share: narcissism.

» Just Me said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 01:07:21 }
I did not provide a site link. My apologies. However, I am not a slave to anyone.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is simply a courtesy to all to add a link. We all try to provide links, but sometimes forget to do so. Not a big, and certainly not required, but is helpful to other’s. Val especially likes us to leave links when there may be questions about what we have included in a comment.

Re: questions about Kyron’s CSI shirt upthread

I have seen Terri’s older son, James, wearing the same/a similar CSI shirt in a photo — might be available on cranky crankerson’s photobucket of Kyron pix:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/

And, yes, Terri listed Dexter and CSI as favorites on FB

kwest: “This raises an interesting question. How common is it for criminals like Casey & Terri to use a movie, show, book or similar case for information, inspiration, etc.?”

…i think it would be highly common—–a person’s own imagination can only go so far, and then they draw on those outside experiences.

..in fact, i’ve been waiting since 2008, for ( some other idiot ) to have their child go missing and come up with their “nanny/zanny did it.”

» ellejay said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 01:07:33 }
…….( good grief—–i’ve been reading too many (P.I. wanna-be) lee anthony transcripts! )

We’ve all been there. The main thing is not to slip into Anthonese…

“It’s not relevant”
“Uh hmm”
“CMA, CMA, CMA”

lol

Deeannek : “I am hearing DeDe is co-operating with LE now-anyone heard anymore on that?”

……just what they said at the news conf. today, that dede and her lawyer were meeting with LE ‘this week’.

…that sounds hopeful to me——that she would be co-operating, or why meet with LE to simply give a “not going to answer that” non stop?

kwest:

…grrrrrrrr!!!!!!! but it’s SOOOOOOOOOOO frushtrating! if you’d just give ME 3 SECONDS to speak….!!!!!—–I——am the victim here! ( oh,and, i ate coleslaw

(…apologies—-for the kc jail visit quote—-on the kyron thread. i wasn’t thinking.)

@ Ellejay

LoL. I sometimes think we should all link our instant messenger names. It would make things so much easier….

Clarification! When I wrote “Excellent post and site!” earlier I meant thehinkymeter *not* the hateful step-parent site!! I couldn’t even go there, with Kyron still missing.

just me:

…….to those of us that came “late” to this thread tonight—–are you aware that val “cleaned it up” and took off much of the content?

Valhall said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 10:07:25 }
Before I have to completely shut this thread down to further comments I’d like to point out that NO ONE has the right cast judgment on anyone else on this site about how they react to information posted here.

So…I’ve deleted several posts to clean this thread up.

…….you are clearly upset about something——-that no one here at the moment knows anything about——-why not just log off for tonight——and see how you feel about things in the morning?
…….no sense dwelling on it here tonight, you may feel differently in the morning.

Ellejay, not saying Terri knew anything of this missing NYC boy, but what a set of coincidences, and at the end of May this year, the case was reopened! (according to wiki).

It’s easy to link things together and draw conclusions when you learn about something for the first time, that might be all this is. Or not. But it’s so close, especially in the ending that a perp would want, never found, always missing, no one charged.

This fits the notion of Desiree saying Terri’s plan is unfolding.

Etan in his favorite captain’s hat, Kyron in his favorite subject T-shirt. As a teacher, Terri had to be well educated and knowledgeable about child safety issues including disappearances. As a teacher and close step-mother, she would have seen Kyron right into his class.

JustMe, Valhall wrote a piece about webmasters responsibilities not long ago, I doubt anyone has shared your information with anyone, sincerely. It’s Friday night, things will be back to normal during the day.

@Kleat

I recently watched that movie, I remember watching it but not where it aired. It was around Christmas time. Weird.

I live in Vegas, I am already in hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IStlBOX9F4o

kleat: “This fits the notion of Desiree saying Terri’s plan is unfolding. ”

…….it does. to see her today at the news conf. it’s quite evident that she believes that kyron is out there somewhere.
…..of course, she has to believe, & there’s no evidence to show that he is deceased.
…..as they stated, the “perp” had a good 6 hour plus head start on june 4th—-he could have been taken anywhere, across state lines, into canada…

…..maybe she drove around on sauvie island, went to the grocery stores—-knowing LE would get that info—–as a way to further throw them off? it’s a possibility.

Hi everyone,

Kleat thanks for the information on Etan! I have never heard of his case before. I do believe it’s very possible for people , KC and Th to get ideas from movies. I mean just thinking about the MFH plot, where would someone get an idea like that?

We know KC lived in her own made up world and it’s very likely TH fantasized about what hers would be like if Kaine and Kyron weren’t around.

MLR: “I mean just thinking about the MFH plot, where would someone get an idea like that? ”

…….exactly. no baby is born with a hitman scenario going on.

…..it has to come from somewhere—a book/movie/tv show—–and then it’s tweaked here and there to fit their own situation.

Ellejay – someone mentioned up thread that the timing (if correct @ 6 months approx) would have been around the same time Th sent her son to live with his Grandparents? Dad?

Do you think it’s possible TH was just trying to get him out of the way so he wouldn’t be around when Kaine was killed?

MLR: “Do you think it’s possible TH was just trying to get him out of the way so he wouldn’t be around when Kaine was killed?

……i do agree MLR, having to factor in a teen-ager, who would be very aware of what was going on, isn’t quite the same as having to factor in kiara.

…..did kyron hear something/see something ( MFH plan B) just prior to june 4th?

Thread cleaned up and well-earned post ban in place.

To those discussing the parallels between Etan and Kyron’s disappearance. I find it very interesting. Don’t know if it is just coincidental, but it is very interesting to think about.

Kleat:
Remember Casey watching the television program One Tree Hill about the Nanny abducting a child?

Val,
I just emailed u the info. on One Tree Hill…maybe u can copy it. I couldn’t.

Hi all, on both sides of the fence, I had a stepmother in my life growing up, and I AM a stepmother, albeit now divorced from the man, never divorced the child. The amount of hurt, anger, distrust, confusion on both sides of this issue are monumental. I never remarried after divorcing because, as I told my mom…I had days I didnt particularly LIKE my kids, though I always loved them, how could I expect someone new to appreciate them… Simplistic, but while I abhor what this post says about this woman, the truth is it is a difficult situation. Unfortunately no one ever puts the blame where it belongs…the natural parent. A step parent or a step child can be a wonderful addition to your life, but especially if the natural parent involved is always sensitive to the new spouse and natural childs needs. If you are an insecure person ( as Terri sounds like) I believe there could be big problems with Kaine sharing his love with his natural child and that makes me sick. If you need to be the center of attention, dont ” blend”. Having said this, my stepmother and I have a wonderful relationship, my parents both passed last year, she has been a rock to me. My step son…looks just like my son..how could I not love him!!! Matter of fact my ex has had two young daughters since divorce with a crappy drug addicted mom, and not so hot dad, I embrace them just as my kids do…they are family. ( Sadly however your own child can take the last coke out of the fridge, and you dont think twice…when your step child does it a moment passes when you think..was that deliberate??? Crazy I know, but honest)

I – like many of you – have been mulling the motive idea in my head…

The more time goes on and the more that comes out, the more I feel like I am seeing the intense level of hatred – obviously a hatred that knew no boundaries – that TH was walking around with. I think that that is what is so hard for so many of us to wrap our minds around: how do you become so all-consumed and twisted that you would first, consider and begin to act out a MFH plot…and then, secondly, so methodically do what it appears she has done. And here is where I may be repeating someone else – I think someone else said that when we are looking at what ‘one’ thing may have pushed her to this (although granted there may have been a ‘final straw’, it may not have been one thing but a very long series that could have started for all intents and purposes when she was like five or something. It could also be perceived ‘slights’ – real or imaginary – that set her off. Most here seem to share the perception that she is a flaming narcissist. I, unfortunately, have known more than my share and in my experience, it often does NOT take a whole lot to set them off. Additionally, I am sure she experienced a humongous high from the whole bodybuilding thing – both biochemical and otherwise. And she got what narcissist’s live and breathe for – attention and the KIND of attention that she wanted, i.e. all focused exclusively on her. And now? She wasn’t getting THAT singularly focused attention and adulation, and to add insult to injury (from her selfish perspective), now she was required to give time and attention to three children and it is becoming patently obvious how well that was going – James was sent home, Kiara sounds like she spent a lot of time alone, and well, Kyron? Time to get rid of that problem and get back at Kaine in the process. My guess is there has been a quiet – and maybe sometimes, not so quiet – narcissistic rage simmering for a while and that is what has fueled her.

I just think sometimes – what on this planet could fuel something that appears to be THIS premeditated?!? There weren’t any points along the way that she stopped at all – stopped to the point where she didn’t do it? Like none??? This is a whole new dark level of narcissism that I just can’t grasp. I was reading something last nite re narcissist’s and their lack of empathy AND lack of integrity. The level of premeditation here appears to be stag. ger. ring.

I was watching the most recent interview that Kaine and Desiree and another thought occurred to me and I am starting to wonder if this is part of the MO of LE. With Kaine and Desiree in the position of being the mouthpiece for this, two things are quite possibly being achieved:

One: I am convinced that TH thought that she was so clever that LE was not going to catch on to her and thusly, she thought that SHE was going to be the one getting the media attention. In light of the fact that Kaine and Desiree are the ones who are getting so much airtime, I can just imagine the level of bloodboil that is producing. THAT could explain why it seems like the only look you see on her face is, well to me? I feel like every time they show her now she just looks like she is pissed. Not upset, not concerned – but ticked off. They are getting the attention that she thought was going to be coming her way AND Houze isn’t letting her talk. That one video clip where she is walking through the parking garage, her body language, her face say one thing to me: she. is. ticked. Again, no upset, no anguish – just ticked, ticked, ticked.

Two: Not only are Kaine and Desiree (who I have a feeling is something of a nemesis to TH) getting the attention that I am convinced TH feels is rightfully hers, but TH is being dissed for all the world to see. Which is going to equal either one of two things and which is which, I don’t know. One, it is going to make her more tight-lipped than she was before because it is the ONE way at this point that she can maintain control and narcissist’s are all about control. Or two, if she gets sufficiently enraged, she may blow. And maybe LE knows this. (Am I giving LE too much credit here? I hope not.)

Again – just some thoughts…

Azrenee,

I don’t think anyone who is or has been a stepparent will argue much with you that while it’s easy to love your stepchildren, and eventually feel they are one of your kids, they don’t hold the same special place in your heart as your own child. And I agree that the relationship between a stepchild and stepparent is EASILY affected (and often I would add) by the behavior of the bio-parents (both your own spouse as well as the ex).

BUT…that aint no pass for what that woman said in that post. Those statements are WAY past anything like that. That woman hates that child…and I don’t think anyone else made her feel that way. It’s all her as best I can tell.

Not sure how a smiley wound up in that post – i mistyped sumpin.

Excellent thoughts, Annbone.

Annbone,

It’s the rogue Hinky winky. It gets all of us eventually.

Dexter is a criminal profiler who tracks an catches serial killers,He is very good in his feild of expertise as he thinks an acts just like his suspects.This is because Dexter is also a serial killer.

Lolol re the ‘rogue Hinky winky’, Valhall – thanks. And thank you for posting that, albeit unlovely, missive from the stepmother from he**. It gives tremendous insight into a scary new low in self-centeredness and immaturity. When she writes about how she is concerned about what it is doing to HER health (um, no mention of the SS’s health) and the way she looks at him in such a distant calculated way in terms of just dollars and cents — I think one of the posters who replied to her may have asked the question best: Do you have any heart?

And I hope someone is able to intervene – I agree with the poster above who shared that it sounded like the son has Asperger’s. A child like that desperately needs a safe haven and right now he doesn’t have one….at least not with ‘Mommy Dearest’ around.

oh my, i’m glad i missed the bulk of that!

anyway,
it’s disturbing to think of all these children whose step parents despise them to the point of imagining/plotting harm to them
as an adult, one would think they would realize that these thoughts were seriously wrong and they would seek help, but they would have to be a certain type of person to admit that and seek the help, it’s easier on their ego/mind that they ‘pretend’ they are poty (parent of the year ) to the outside than to admit they have faults/bad feelings and get the help.

we have a ‘blended family’ as well, but i’ve never ever said that the siblings were anything other than brothers and sisters, personally i don’t do the ‘step/half’ stuff. but that’s just our family.

Terri’s facebook use is juvenile, this woman was 40 years old and posting when she showers or goes to the bathroom is just weird to me. i have a facebook account and i hardly ever use it except to post pictures, and that’s occasionally if that. when my kids were small, i never plopped them in their bedroom and went to entertain myself on a computer, that was saved for when they napped or went to bed at night. It might’ve served terri well to put the laptop down and grab a boardgame or butterfly net and go outside with the kids, maybe she would have bonded or created memories instead of focusing on herself and how others perceived her parenting abilities by posting little diddy’s and anecdotes on her facebook status bar. Grow up! Had I sat my aZz down at the computer while my kids were up, they’d be on my lap and we’d be at club penguin or webkinz, not facebook or hinkymeter. She had no time for those kids, she is/was all about terri moulton horman and what possession terri moulton horman posesses and how the world percieve terri moulton horman. she’s one sad excuse of a woman.

b-man : don’t worry about your daughter, in time, could be a couple years, she will come around. Your daughter will be a grown woman one day and will be able to look back and realize what you’ve all done for her. And when she matures some your wife will relate to her better and I bet dollars to donuts, she will develop a different grownup realtionship with her then. I’m watching this play out with my son and my husband now, he’s 20 and it’s a slow but really beautiful thing, be patient. The only thing I can suggest is let your wife know that she’s the grownup, and your daughter is still a child, maybe in a womans body, but a child with less life experience than her, so to keep an open mind about forging a new realationship oneday, it can be sorta like a do-over and we don’t get those very often.

have a beautiful weekend everyone!

The stepmom post is very disturbing. It may not have been a posting by Terri, but whoa, could she have felt that way? If Terri is a master manipulator, she could have gone with underground network that gets women and children away from abusive spouses. At least that seems to be what Desiree thinks – that Kyron is stashed somewhere. Maybe it is wishful thinking on Desiree’s part. I can’t see a group like that watching all the media coverage on this and not returning Kyron to his parents. They would know that Terris story wasn’t true. If it isn’t a group like that, who else would keep Kyron alive this long and for what purpose? It doesn’t make any sense at this point, but Desiree seems so adamant, like she knows something. My gut feeling is that Kyron is not with us anymore and I would like for everyone involved with that to pay the price for it. All these family press conferences, basically saying the same thing over and over. I just wonder what you all think. Is Desiree saying Kyrons alive because she can’t face the grim reality or do you think LE has told her something that supports that he is stashed somewhere?

idk foobros
Desiree’s husband in in LE and I would think that they would have information a family not involved with LE would have
I also think if they didn’t have some sort of credible info, they wouldn’t let Desiree become so hopeful seeing the statistics are what they are in most missing childrens cases
could it be just a ploy to get someone to talk, you know, let the public think Kyron is alive so people aren’t divulging information that may get someone they know in trouble for murder?
nothing wrong with having hope, but, i don’t know if I’d be so publically hopeful if I were Desriee, I sure hope they have that credible info that he is okay for all their sakes but I too doubt he is still with us
i just don’t know

I haven’t read all the comments yet, so I apologize if I repeat what somebody else has already posted……

The person who posted that comment about her stepchild has bigger issues than just not loving her stepson, IMO. My armchair psychologist persona thinks that this is a person who isn’t capable of bonding, really, truly bonding, with anybody. If you were able to look at her life history, I’m betting you’d see a series of broken relationships, failed friendships, unhappiness, and general anger and bitterness, all directed at everybody but herself.
She’s probably good at pretending to be happy, and she may even, at times, think she’s happy. But, the reality is that she is a hollow, shallow, selfish person who is most likely incapable of feeling genuine empathy or connecting with another human being.

What’s truly frightening to me is that she is not all that unique. I’ve stopped being surprised when I hear about these type of people. Their crimes and selfishness and the extent to which they will go still sometimes surprises me, because I can’t comprehend the idea of deliberately hurting an innocent child or someone you supposedly love. But, I’ve come to accept that these freaks are out there, roaming about, in bigger numbers than most people suspect and that evidence of their evilness is much more prevalant than we would like to admit.

Ellejay, yes, anyone who has watched CSI as a regular, would likely know all about tracing cell phone locations by pings, so that would have to be treated with some suspicion if an innocent step-mother drives to Sauvie and makes calls but doesn’t go there for any reason where she would be in contact with people, but to drive around to sooth a crying, possibly suffering baby. Could be if Terri is hiding something, as her polygraphs and interviews suggest, the ‘driving around’ could be an alibi set up.

(If the baby had an ear ache, wasn’t well, why wouldn’t this be discussed with Kaine before she left for the school? And if so, why stop to shop, unless a single item for the baby, and was the baby achy and screaming in the store? )

Kwest, I was thinking less about a cultural influence of crime shows on child disappearances etc, and more about a specific use for a person’s ideas, much in the way of a resource to draw from, as we have seen with Casey Anthony’s continual lies, in depth and detailed. She picks out bits of her stories from reality, and uses them as a spin off for her lies, or to add details to other fabricated stories.

I don’t think anyone would take a story like Etan Patz’s story, and become a pedophile etc. But for someone planning to be rid of a child, the Patz story is perfect because whoever did it, got away with the crime and caused parents untold grief for almost 30 years of not knowing.

But the mechanics of the disappearance would be very different, maybe lessons from the crime shows, not emulating, but learning from them.

» ceci said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 01:07:51 }
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Ceci,

First let me apologize, I have no idea how I missed your post.

The survey results were interesting. Almost seems like even a year ago she had no thoughts of Kyron as being a part of her life. It also seemed, based on the results, that she was extremely self absorbed. I haven’t checked the link out yet just wnaated to get back to you on my thoughts so far.

Shocking and horrible..I fear for the boy’s life. I do believe this could be TH.

Lisah said:

“Desiree’s husband in in LE and I would think that they would have information a family not involved with LE would have

I also think if they didn’t have some sort of credible info, they wouldn’t let Desiree become so hopeful”

Tony Young stated here (http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20100707/REGIONALNEWS/100709829) that “his status as a Medford police detective has not awarded him special privileges among investigators in Portland. He said he has received the same information given to the public at large.

“Do I wish I had more information and could be more involved in the investigation? Of course,” Young said. “But I understand why I can’t. I do not want to jeopardize the investigation.”

Regarding Lisah’s 2nd comment, Kaine and Desiree said in the 7/30 press conference (http://www.katu.com/home/video/99665719.html) that LE has not given them specific information as to whether or not Kyron is “stashed” somewhere. Desiree said that it was speculation on their part.

I wonder about Terri’s bio parents.
Where did she come from?
How old was she when she was adopted?
What was her life like with her adopted parents.?

Will this issue come into play as Casey’s claim of sexual abuse?

I believe TH’s behavior is rooted in a personality disorder, and that her motive is based on being “hurt” by Kaine, (her alleged reason for the MFH plot). She never got over the hurt, and it just festered and mushroomed. She couldn’t pull off the plot, so doing something with his son was the next best way to get back at him.

I’ve heard others suggest she could be psychopathic or sociopathic, so I did some investigation. I discovered this interesting web site (http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html) that describes the profile of a sociopath. OMG! To summarize a few points, some of the attributes mentioned (there are more, and they are all described in more detail on the website) are:

- Manipulative and conning
- Grandiose sense of self
- Pathological lying
- Lack of remorse, shame, or guilt
- Shallow emotions
- Incapacity for love
- Callousness/Lack of Empathy
- Poor behavioral controls
- Criminal versatility
- Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

…and it goes on from there.

One of the attributes described says: “deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core”. Also describes that relationships and even marriages are “without depth or meaning”. And “Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause.” And “Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.” And “seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used”.

Sounds scarily familiar, doesn’t it?

Read the descriptions there, and see if you would agree that a disorder like this would explain a lot.

» Marica said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 11:07:48 }
I wonder about Terri’s bio parents.
Where did she come from?
How old was she when she was adopted?
What was her life like with her adopted parents.?

Will this issue come into play as Casey’s claim of sexual abuse?
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Terri was born in Grass Valley, CA.

Terri was not adopted until she was 9 months old. Nov 27, 1970
and
Terri’s oldest son was adopted by TH’s second husband. His birth father is Ronald Gene Tarver Jr.

Sorry if this info has already been posted but I haven’t seen it yet and found it interesting.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.10;wap2

Wow that post was terrifying to me.

Per Ancestry.com, California Birth Records, a female child with no given name was born to a birth mother with maiden name of “Kisiel,” on March 14, 1970, in Nevada County, California. A second birth record is also posted for that day for Terri Moulton. I interpret these records to mean the second birth record was substituted for the first, after the Kisiel child was adopted.

California residents Lois Margaret Kisiel and Waldo E. Cross were married on October 28, 1972 in Las Vegas, Nevada, per Nevada Marriage Index 1956-2005.

There is no way that LE would go through the charade of a Grand Jury if Terri was working in concert with them.

Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Horman-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx

Kyron Horman’s parents remain hopeful their son will return home
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 8:23 AM
Young and Kaine Horman have repeatedly talked about their suspicion that Moulton Horman was involved in Kyron’s disappearance. Moulton Horman has not been charged with a crime.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_hormans_parents_remain_h.html

Tardy to the party on this thread – but how can any normal person write such vitriol about a child?!

Oh, wait – narcissists aren’t exactly “normal.”

I’m so grateful that most people understand that we stepmoms are, for the most part, quite emotionally healthy and loving people. Good grief.

I had a horrible feeling last night out of nowhere, I made a connection (maybe its nothing but an over active imagination?) between the emails TH sent and this post. She told her friend about possible seizures Kyron was having supposedly and in this post the mystery woman states the child has a speech problem/learning disoreder. Even if Kyron was fine and completely normal for his age, maybe TH hated him enough to believe there was something wrong with him. It really makes me feel more strongly that the person who made the blog post could be TH. Maybe its nothing, maybe someone else already brought this up but I feel that TH is responsable and I hope to God the cops are close to bringing in the truth for Kyrons family, if not Kyron himself. When I hear of a new story like this where children are abused or killed, I wish there was more I could do than sit at home.

And I have to agree that the specific wording in the description of those parking lot pictures indicates they have surveillance video. Because what would be the odds of finding two witnesses who were in both these parking lots and can even remember the exact parking space they saw her in?