A 25 minute interview was conducted yesterday with Kaine Horman and Desiree Young that I believe is the most informative we have had to date. I urge anyone following this case who has not listened to it yet to take the time to do so. A lot of false rumors are cleared up and revelations into what a bold faced liar Terri Horman is were presented as well. So let’s spend some time on the information given in this interview and set some things straight for ourselves.
What the family knows about June 4th
The information that Kaine, Desiree and Tony have about what Terri says she did, and what problems she has faced concerning the differences between her story and what the investigators have learned has all come from Terri herself. Kaine and Desiree were clear that the investigators are keeping the information they have on what they have learned about Terri’s movements, activities and locations on June 4th close to the vest and they are not sharing that information with the family. However, Terri flapped her lips plenty as the investigation went along.
Here are the things the family learned from Terri:
- That she flunked two polygraphs and walked out of another one (from prior interviews).
- That she felt persecuted from day 1 and put out by having to be questioned (from statements made by Tony on Dateline).
- That her cell phone pings “pinged in locations she wasn’t at on June 4th”. Remember, that’s Terri’s statements. So, in other words, she was admitting that the investigators were saying her cell phone pings did not match where she said she was.
- That Terri explicitly stated, when she told Kaine she needed the pickup on the 4th, that she needed it to pickup the project THAT MORNING. Apparently, Kaine’s understanding, based on Terri’s statements, was that she was going to the science fair and then bringing the project home once the fair was over. He now questions, himself, what the real reason was that Terri wanted the pickup since she apparently had no intention of picking the project up until after school, when he was to be back home with the pickup anyway.
- Terri is the one that has been very vocal (apparently to friends who have then shared this information with Kaine/Desiree) that she paid $350,000 to Stephen Houze for him to represent her.
- While not directly answering the question (because both Kaine and Desiree stated they were not to talk of the timeline), Kaine indirectly confirmed that Terri had made some statement about Kiara having some type of discomfort on June 4th (possibly teething pains? or earache? who knows).
- All prior statements made by the family concerning anything about Terri and June 4th have come from Terri and not the investigators.
In addition to those things learned from Terri, Kaine and Desiree cleared up some issues as well as added new information, including:
- Kaine left home at about 7:45 and left work about 1:45. He states his drive from home to work or vice versa is about a 20 to 25 minute drive. So he stated he arrived at work that morning “a little after 8″ and arrived home that afternoon “a little after 2″.
- Kaine said that Terri was on her laptop when he arrived home, apparently emailing and on her Facebook account. Kiara was in her room. He went and found Kiara, gave her kiss and then started his work from home.
- Kaine states he did not observe Terri acting peculiar or anything else that would make him suspicious about her behavior that afternoon prior to discovering Kyron was missing.
- However, Desiree feels she did notice something “different”. During that day Terri sent her 3 to 4 emails. Typically (according to both Desiree and Kaine) Terri is usually quite “verbose” in the emails she sends Desiree (and others, one would assume). In these emails on the 4th, Desiree states she was very terse, reducing the communications to one sentence emails.
- Desiree states that Terri emailed her in the afternoon and told her she had emailed the school to find out when she could pick up the project so that she could bring it home for Desiree to see.
Other things revealed concerning the time of June 4th:
- While it was not explicitly stated what day Terri took the project to school, Kaine explicitly states that Terri did use the pickup on a previous day (it is assumed by this writer it was Thursday) to take the project to school.
- Contrary to previous understandings the classes formally toured the science fair on Thursday and did their “reports”. This most likely means that Tanner Pumala’s recollections of events about a 6 student group and a “substitute teacher” who led them through the fair is about Thursday. It also most likely means that Tanner’s recollection of Kyron saying he wanted to go back and see the cool “electric” project was on Thursday. This is not confirmed, but it starts to make Tanner’s account “work”. But it also opens up new questions for Friday June 4th. When did the science fair end that morning? Was it 9 a.m.? When did classes formerly convene that morning? Was it 9 a.m.? The reason this is important is if the time was set aside for family members to view the fair until 10 a.m., and classes and roll call were not to officially begin until 10 a.m., then why in Sam Hill would Terri leave Kyron in a chaotic, basically under-supervised situation for an hour? I would really like to know the correct answers to these questions.
About Terri’s lies:
Desiree was asked about her statement that Terri has always been a liar. The interviewer asked her if she could give an example. This was an uncomfortable moment in the interview because apparently there is at least one if not several “big whoppers” Terri has told connected, most likely, with Desiree/Kaine’s marriage break up and how that all went down. Desiree passed on sharing that and it was also stated in the interview that they were unified they would not go into those past relationship issues. However, Kaine and Desiree gave the following as examples of Terri’s lies:
- The lie that Terri and Desiree were good friends before Kyron was born – a Terri lie.
- The lie that Kaine hired Terri to move in and take care of Kyron – a Terri lie. Kaine responded that when Terri moved in (which is apparently only because they were in a relationship and had nothing to do with being altruistic or performing a caregiver service) Terri had a full time job.
- Kaine’s statements about other areas of their lives he has since questioned Terri’s honesty about: Kaine makes the statement that he did not know about the lies Terri was telling other people (the “fiction”, as he refers to it) prior to 2005. He does not go into detail about what the “fiction” was. In 2005 is when Terri decided to “compete” in bodybuilding. It was at this time that Kaine learned that she was lying about how much she was drinking and how much drugs she was taking. She went from 180 pounds to 123 lbs in 4 months, competed in one competition, and then that was it for her competition bodybuilding. During this time she was drinking herself to sleep at night and overtaking stimulants, fat-burners and other over-the-counter medications. When Kaine was asked if she took steroids he basically said that he could only say what Terri told him (which was apparently “no” ) but at this point he doesn’t know what to believe.
- Not explicitly stated as a Terri lie BUT SOMEONE has misled media/people to believe that James permanently moved out of the Horman home and in with his biological father several months before Kyron disappeared. Also, SOMEONE has led certain media to believe it was because of a bad relationship with Kaine. According to Kaine, this is all untrue. First, he states that James had not permanently moved out of their home, but that James spent the summers with his father. When Kyron went missing it was decided, due to what was happening in the Horman home and the investigation, it was best that James stay with his father. Kaine also states that the “friction” was mainly between James and Terri. While he admits that he and James butted heads at time from typical teenage boy/father role disagreements, he stated that he and James have a good relationship and that there were lots of times Kaine was having to act as mediator between Terri and James. Apparently Terri was not handling dealing with James well.
Miscellaneous information provided:
- Terri’s first polygraph (which she failed) was on Monday, June 7th.
- Kaine, Desiree (and Tony’s?) polygraphs were on Tuesday, June 8th.
- Kaine stated that he really didn’t keep up with how or where Terri spent her days when he was at work. He stated she would go off “doing her stuff” and until Kyron went missing he really had no reason to question what she was doing or where she was going.
- Since Kyron went missing Kaine has been told by friends that he and Terri visited and possibly spent the night with that after he and Terri would leave their home their alcohol stash would be measurably lower…which indicates the possibility that Terri continued to hide her alcohol consumption past 2005 when her over consumption was revealed via her DUI.
- When asked if they think DeDe Spicher was somehow involved in Kyron’s disappearance, Desiree offered that she had no factual reason to think that but due to DeDe not cooperating and acting so smug when asked questions about Kyron Desiree couldn’t help but have a motherly bad feeling about DeDe.
- Kaine talked about the potential importance of information that might be gleaned from Terri’s friends she has communicated with since Kyron’s disappearance. He stated they had learned that Terri throws little snippets of information out to each person, but never reveals enough information to one particular person for them to get the full picture. He stated she may have given each friend she has communicated with since Kyron’s disappearance some piece of information that when all friends are interviewed and all statements put together it could lead to a clearer picture of what happened on June 4th.
- Kiara has not asked to see Terri. Kaine describes Kiara as a “new kid” since living outside the presence of her mother.
Valhall.
Related posts:
- Kyron Horman case: An informative look at Terri
- Kyron Horman case: Parents work to keep Kyron’s name alive
- Kyron Horman case: Desiree Young reveals motive in Today interview
- Kyron Horman case: Desiree Young reveals more details in JVM interview
- Kyron Horman case: Desiree says about Terri – ‘I know she’s lying.’
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