Kyron Horman case: Initial timeline for June 4th

If Tanner says Mrs. Porter wasn’t worried because Kyron was “probably in the bathroom”, but the teacher thought he was at the doctor’s – why wouldn’t she just say he was there. Or did him not turning up eventually make her recall the Thursday conversation with Terri?

One more thing, Valhall, I should have said this first: I appreciate the efforts you make on this site to keep these cases updated. Thank you.

This is the first I have heard of the earache!? What mother “drive around” to soothe an earache? very suspicious!

I don’t know how to link these. But on Photobucket, there’s some interesting pictures on DeDe. The provacative question was why DeDe removed her sticker from the back of her SUV.

Photobucket dede1.jpg picture, this photo was uploaded by crankycrankerson. Browse other dede1.jpg pictures and photos or upload your own with Photobucket free image and video …
s296.photobucket.com/…/Ky…

Peedoffinny,

Will you just post the link where these pics were posted? Was it another blog or a discussion board? If so, just copy paste the URL to the location crankycrankerson posted the pics.

I agree with Lori, the earache story is bull_hit. Driving around, dropping her daughter at a daycare so she can work out when a child is in pain is ridiculous. Call doctor and get the child examined and take the baby home is what most mothers would do. Terri’s story is so pathetic.

This is supposed to get you to the site where there many many pictures of Kyron and his family.

http://crankycrankerson

Ooooops….. tinyURL didn’t work on that one.. OK, here is the link…

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Photos%20of%20Kyron/?albumview=slideshow

MAYBE, I will get this right. crankycrankerson has several albums.
Here is a link to the main page.

http://s296.photobucket.com/home/crankycrankerson/allalbums
sorry for the above screw ups!!!

Wow, so DeDe had a Klamath County Dive Rescue sticker on her SUV but has since removed it and her father is with the Klamath County sheriff’s department.

Is there anybody in this case who is NOT related to or has a personal connection with a law enforcement officer?

Marica-

Thanks for sharing the link to the extensive postings of Kyron pics.

I keep this case in my ‘Head’-trying to figure out who is responsible and why?

However, viewing the photos of this child and his life is just makes my heart ache.

It boggles my mind how someone-a family member could harm a child.

Those family photos are personal and precious-but look like any, well, normal looking family.

Thanks for the time line, Val. I am certain we can fill more of this in as this case unfolds.

Feeling a heavy heart here in the Big Woods this morning- Thisbe

» Thisbe said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 09:07:05 }
Marica-
Thanks for sharing the link to the extensive postings of Kyron pics.
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Peedoffinny is the one who brought the photobucket account to HINKY… I just tried to provide the link. Sorry I messed up the first two shots at it…

This is a post allegedly written by Dedes Cousin it says that her Father ..Dedes Father that is .States that Dedes Father is in L,E .a Sherif an also a search an rescue team member.Took part in the search for Kyron. http://www.thesky973.com/pages/7763066.php

Val – Excellent work.

I never got to see Terri’s FB, so the details about Sherry/Freddy’s were interesting to see. Thanks!

Note on 3:30 – 3:35 – I’ll have to find the link, but there is a video in which Kaine does say that they ‘took off at a run’ up to the school after learning Kyron had been absent all day. (No idea if he meant they literally ran or got in one of the vehicles.)

I’ll try to find the vid again.

For me, the biggest hole in this story is the back road baby soothing, and it infuriates me that Terri is using Kiara as an excuse for being out there on those roads. “Look at me, I am such a good Mom, just aimlessly driving around to soothe my Kitty.”

I don’t think so.

Oh, and crankycrankerson is a wonderful poster on several sites. She is open/public about her hat, which is AmandaReckonWith. Great resource for photo collections on many missing person cases.

Hat tip to her for once again adding to our knowledge.

Can’t take credit for this, but just read good questions elsewhere:

1. What did Terri do with the perishable groceries while she was driving around and hitting the gym? Milk? Meats? Left in the truck for 3 hours?
2. When/where did Kiara have lunch?

Val just read all the comments I had posted before reading so the part Dede s Alleged cousin says about the Father being a sherif at least is true.What do you think she ment by the remark ….This is going to a Jury on Monday……Thanks for the timeline

Now that there is a timeline (thank you, Val) to look at, it appears to me that Terri began setting things up on the 3rd to use the science fair as a diversion. But I wonder if there is any indication that this could’ve been planned any earlier than this.

Something could have occurred only just that week that Terri feared Kyron would tell Desiree about that weekend, that if pursued, could result in Terri losing Kiara. If Kyron was slapped or something and then apologized to, but Terri didn’t want to take the chance that Kyron would inform his mother, then perhaps a dry run of the plans took place, she may have staked out locations, set her alibi in motion, etc. only days before.

I’m curious about her movements on Wednesday and Thursday. What did she post on FB, who did she talk to, did she prepare Kyron’s favorite foods for dinner, etc.

If DeDe Spicher removed the sticker on purpose, perhaps it was in anticipation of minimizing the chances that her car would be recognized/singled out? An SUV with a big sticker like that might be more easily noticed or remembered than an SUV without any distinctive markings.
Couple that with leaving her job at almost the exact same time that Terri claims she was working out, and the similarities in appearance between the two women, and DeDe supposedly encouraging Terri not to cooperate with the investigation………
Hinky, hinky, hinky.

In the days leading up to the science fair Terri was posting pictures of the project. I believe she put a couple of pictures up on the 2nd and possibly the 3rd as well.

I have requested twice now feedback from the family on whether Terri’s behavior at home (and in particular toward Kyron) had changed in the days leading up to his disappearance. In domestic homicide there is often a tendency for the murderer to increase their attention and affection toward their intended victim in the days and weeks leading up to the planned murder all in an effort to both comfort them in to not suspecting anything, as well as giving the outward appearance to others that things are wonderful.

I also have asked if they saw the same type of behavioral changes in the relationship between Terri and Kaine back in the weeks prior to the murder-for-hire. They have not been willing to comment on these questions yet. It would be helpful in profiling Terri.

I seem to have posted the wrong link in my above post regarding DEde s cousin will try again she makes a comment this is going to court on Monday? http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-cousin-has-just-been-implicated-in.html

O K above is the right Link however she says this is going to a Jury on Monday an not Court as I misspoke…..An I realy did misspoke as opose to lie….

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/72310DS4.jpg

Hi Val,
I hope this works, I pasted in both places. If it doesn’t, you can google crankycrankerson photobucket and find it that way. They pointed out that she removed her search and rescue sticker from the back window since all of this started.

Woops, sorry, didn’t know somebody already beat me to it.

Thank you, Val.

Soooo, now we have some timeline for Terri. Honestly, before reading about it I though she was smarter..

If she really said she was driving this little girl around for 1.5 hrs , this woman has no materly instincs whatsoever. Kaine never mentioned once the little one was feeling sick or something, you wodl think he should had noticed it …Earaches are so painfull, baby would screem , would have a feavor, would cry, would want to lay down ..not hanging out at the grocery stores, gym etc..This woman needed help with her aliby ,good thing she has friends like DD

Potatohead mentioned perishibles…I hope she didnt buy any eggs for the family

After reading the intro from Val , the link truck-picking -project – email to Porter looks shows her premiditation in great degree

One other thing… Its my believe that DD cannot pass for Terri in the gym …If DD was a runner , her body structure should be very different than Terri’s,,,Terri is HEAVY , big time …

The fact these two SQRLS had 1.5 hrs unaccounted for( 11.20a -1p) , is really good for LE …I hope they use it

DD doesnt have to have her own kids in order to love children. By nature, we are so protective and nurturing , not easy to hide at all. Why would a female take a stand agains finding little KY?

Wonder how much DD connection to LE can obstruct Ky’s investigation

Thank You Val… such great reporting of the timeline..!! I have a few questions.. 1)what if anything did Kaine and Terri talk about between the time they were both at home and when they left for the bus stop. 2) Did anyone prior to the school secretary call 911? 3) Why would Kain not have called DY as they are both Bio parents? Finally, 4) What has happened to the landscaper who said Terri tried to hire him to murder Kaine? Was his story found to be true? I know they tried to set Terri up with him, but she didn’t take the bite and called the police. Did they give him a poly? I hear he is in jail, why? Although his story started the big bang with doubts about Terri (and continue to do so) very little has been said about him since… don’t get me wrong I believe Terri is to blame.. but just wondering.. again thanks for timeline.

Vidda,

I don’t think DeDe is built like a runner at all. They are similar in size and shape.

Very good questions, sjso. Unfortunately, I don’t have the answer to any of them. I am not convinced yet that the “landscaper” that is sitting in the pokey is the same landscaper. I’m waiting to see if that is confirmed.

Thanks Val… I would also be very curious to know how the car ride went to the school.. did they ride together? What was said between them on the ride? I would have called 911 right away and said something like this: “My son did not get off the bus, he was marked absent at school and nobody has seen him… we are on the way to the school please have LE meet us there!” Also, I would be interested to know how the first 30 minutes or so at the school went.. what was said, and how both Kaine and Terri acted between each other and with school officials… First few hours can be very telling.. oh, gosh I want this kid found!

I just want to get a clarification out concerning The Oregonian article. I have never exchanged emails with Kaine Horman. The only person who I have had brief email exchanges with is a neighbor who is assisting the Horman/Young families in fielding media and online questions submitted to them.

I have requested a correction. I do not want this to be spun into appearing that Kaine Horman endorses anything said here. Most likely he has no idea that The Hinky Meter even exists.

ValHall Great artical. thank you so much. you have a sharp mind and I appreciate your blog

In reading it the comments I have was that I heard the sub was there another day and tanner got it confused.(kids do get things confused) this is the boy also his dads wife left the same day kyron dissapeared.

Also wanted to say it was very interesting -ODD that Terri said the baby had an earache and then she went to the gym?!

WHAT KINDA MOM takes her baby to a gym daycare when the baby is hurting!

Also the fact that she emailed the teacher was ODD. has she done this before. it seems to me she planned it all out. and from a teachers view as well.

Also wanted to ask you if you knew they were lovers? is it true or not? eyes for lies has it posted that they got the info from her cousin Tommy Jones thats posting on another site.

cant wait to hear back

sorry vall I had kids all aorund me.. I meant to say I hear Dede and terri are lovers DEDes cousin is saying this on a site. if you need links let me know as I dont know what all you have already.

Val ,
I didnt see any pix of DD, just assumed that she was in some runner’s shape in order to complete marathon 2008… In general , weightlifters dont do much cardio , which I believe would have been Terris gym routine. That s pretty different than DD’s preparation for a long run…
Whatever they choose to do in the gym, they will do fine in jail
V

Tammy,

I know those rumors are spreading (and they appear to be originating from a fairly dubious site), but I have not read anything that confirms that. It is one of those rumors we’ll have to wait and see to get the answer.

Vidda,

Look at this pic here:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=DeDeBicycleFalls.jpg

It’s pretty representative of DeDe’s plump physique. She was not in runner shape when she did the 2008 marathon. In fact, the little documentary that followed her says she had just lost 100 lbs in the year before, but she looked like she had another 20 to 30 to go to be your typical lean runner.

Val, I really doubted that you were communicating with Kaine… thanks for clarifing that.. An article I read a long time ago, talked about how one parent might out of fear, say things and blame the parent who was with the child who went missing… usually to feel remorseful about doing so later… I am so curious about the ride to school… did Kaine, out of fear say “WHEN did you leave Kyron??? WHY didn’t you stay at the school?? I THOUGHT YOU SAID you were staying to bring the poster home???? WHERE THE HELL did you go? WHY did you leave him?? I think those questions would be reasonable.. wonder if they were asked in the car, and if so, what the answers were.

If DeDe was posing as Terri at the gym, perhaps she was also posing as Terri at the supermarket. What time did she show up to work?

Thanks ValHall for the response. I just try to wrap my mind around everything and if it was true re the rumor.

also the pic u posted dede spicher looks like richard simmons!
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=DeDeBicycleFalls.jpg

sorry I had to say that No offense to richard at all

i wish i had`nt looked at the photos its heart wrenching;/

Vall , thx
You are correct , wayyyyyyyy to go to runners shape !…
The only pix of DD I saw was the one from the beginning of the marathon ( too many ppl still running , not possible to be the final mile )…She was in middle of a group …It was taken from far way and I couldnt tell
So , that will place Terri in the same team with DD

Val – quote from Kaine interview:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_recalls_d.html

Kaine Horman said there was never any indication that his wife had negative feelings toward Kyron, although he revealed in an earlier interview with The Oregonian that his wife was on medication for postpartum depression after Kiara was born. When asked if he had noticed that anything might be wrong with his wife leading up to Kyron’s disappearance, Kaine Horman said: “Not to the level of Kyron going missing.”

Rather, he said, the days before June 4 were routine.

“Everything just seemed normal. It was normal until he didn’t get off the bus,” Horman said. “Then it went from normal to horrific in five seconds.”

Outstanding timeline! Love reading your blog and the responses given from others here as well. There is one bit I think might be added to when Kaine arrived home at 2 pm that tragic day. He stated that when he came home “she was already on the computer”. I can’t remember what news media I read that on now, but thought the word he used “already” was a bit strange…

I wonder what Terri said to Kaine as to WHY she did not bring Kyron’s project home that day.. After all, it was THE reason why she took the truck that day in the first place.

And that ear ache alibi is a flat out lie. As a parent of twin boys, no way would I ride all over for 1.5 hours to sooth an ear ache! Who does she think she’s fooling?

IMHO, IF Terri drove Kiara around it was most likely to calm her down and to distract her because Kiara may have been upset / confused and may have seen what had happened to Kyron. I could see that happen… an 18 month old can’t really communicate but they can certainly get upset when they see something confusing or scary etc.

What puzzled me before….It was already July IIRC when LE made announcement about the cameras in the stores nearby…. Is it possible TH needed that long to tell LE that she went here and there ? That was after she flunked all the pollys etc .. DId she counted on all these security tapes been re-used with no evidentuary value .. Most businesses re run their tapes weekly or by-weekly …
At the end of the investigation, all that will be used agains her, indeed…Just the fact she could pull ” Casey Universal talk” and try to play LE ,makes me twice angry

Val – one for your scrap book (watch for traffic inbound)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime.html

“In the crimeblog universe of truTV’s True Crime Library, Websleuths, Blink on Crime and The Hinky Meter, mystery buffs spoke the conventional wisdom first about TH, as commenters have shorthanded Kyron’s stepmother’s name, long before sheriff’s deputies or the family began raising accusatory eyebrows at Terri Horman. On Facebook, a few dozen supporters of the woman Kyron Horman called “Mom,” point fingers elsewhere. “

oh. Now see where the Kaine email crappola came from. Sorry. I’m like Joey Spiccola today – late for class.

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.

I believe that the above is partially true. I believe that TH did actually drive around on rural roads in the white truck doing God knows what, but she added the Kirara earache story just in case she was seen/noticed by someone.

At this point I tend to agree KC.

One thought I had about how the gym fits into Terri’s timeline — it would be a convenient place for taking a shower if one wanted to avoid concerns about difficult to clean up evidence left in a home bathroom.

Val’s speculation about the possibility that DeDe may have substituted for Terri at the gym is very intriguing, but I think Kiara probably really was in the gym’s childcare facility. So, TH would have had to leave her there, and then pick her up later since Dede, with no children of her own, would probably not be able to transport a child.

Mme. C

I didn’t have a formed opinion about Terri…until now. Val, the time line is an eye-opener. As a mother, all I can say is, “NO WAY!” You don’t drive around like that would soothe a toddler’s ear ache. The sealer for me that after that, she DROPPED HER at the gym’s daycare? Not a chance if the child were really sick.

I wonder if Terri’s story to LE has changed over time. It seems like the part about driving around country roads could be an attempt to explain the cell phone pings from Sauvie’s Island. It would also provide cover in case someone saw her.

Madame,

I think it looks like that as well. I have a feeling she said she went to the grocery stores and then on to work out and then went home. Then I have a feeling her cell phones showed her all over the place and she inserted the 1-1/2 earache drive.

As for the possibility of DeDe serving as a body double at the gym…yes, Terri would have to return once she had done whatever it is she did to pick up Kiara.

I just want to clarify that I’m only asking questions and brainstorming. There is no validity to that idea as far as I know.

What an awesome job you have done creating this timeline. Keep up the good work!!! Let’s hope that the police are keeping quiet because they want to make sure their t’s are crossed and their i’s are dotted so when they do finally arrest her, there are no technicalities for her to get off.

Even here in Illinois where I live, I actually saw a picture of Kyron on the missing childrens wall in our Local Sams Club. Way to go Sams Club.

Have got to keep this in the media so this beautiful little boy can be found!

» Madame Clouseau said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 04:07:07 }
One thought I had about how the gym fits into Terri’s timeline — it would be a convenient place for taking a shower if one wanted to avoid concerns about difficult to clean up evidence left in a home bathroom.

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This never even crossed my mind Madame C.!!!!

I am not so sure driving around with an 18 month old with and earache is correct. How was the baby once she got home? Did she tell Kaine? How was the baby at the Gym daycare? Do they log coming and goings?

Okay, she got it corrected sufficiently. And I appreciate it.

Shyloh said,
I am not so sure driving around with an 18 month old with and earache is correct. How was the baby once she got home? Did she tell Kaine? How was the baby at the Gym daycare? Do they log coming and goings?

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I stated a while back that I thought the way TH got away with not bringing Kyron’s project home could have been as simple as “Kiara was cranky, didn’t feel good” so TH had to leave the science fair early.

Val,
Wouldn’t Kaine be aware if Kiara had an earache? Surely, she would need medication, or be taken to doctor.

It would be interesting to know if the gym, has or had any surveillance footage from outside or inside on the day Kyron went missing. Hopefully FBI and LE would have requested it, and it has not been looped over.

long time lurker, first time poster

Hi again Valhall

So has Kaine or police called the dr to see if there was really an appointment?

And does the workout facility have Cameras??????

those are good questions reporters should have asked have they?

I have never seen Terri’s FB. Are there any comments on there before or after June 4th about Kiara being cranky or sick?

TYIA

This sounds super HINKY. My 18 month old daughter has an earache so bad that I have to drive her around on rural back roads for AN HOUR AND A HALF, then casually drop her off at the 24 Hour Fitness daycare for an HOUR while I work out. Ironically my step-son turns up missing during that same time. mmmhmmmmmm sure… Totally makes sense, nothing strange about that..

No Potato, there are not any comments on her FB before or after about Kiara being cranky or sick.

I have been mulling over this since this morning, I mean really this is the strangest case I have ever seen. It just does not make any sense…and the info that has come out about Terry trying to have Kaine killed-Was there any clue to Kaine that something was not right in his marriage? I find it hard to believe that this came out of nowhere…. If you read earlier accounts about Terri-everyone including her ex husband says she is a very attentive mother, great teacher and good with children. Now we have Kaine and Desiree VERY vocal about the specifics of the case and threatening to sue DeDe if she does not help Law enforcement. I am looking forward to the press conference on tues-to help confirm things. Every day there seems to be something just baffling to the case-but this excuse of driving around to soothe the earache is WAY out there.

Thanks very much, Val. Does that seem to jive with Terri’s normal FB posting? Would she post much about Kiara’s daily mood or activities in the past?

I wonder how long it will be before we see more about DeDe’s activities for the entire day of June 4th, not just the 11:15 – 1:00 p.m. time frame. I’m also wondering if LE has since subpoenaed video tapes from places DeDe claims to have been during that time, and perhaps later that day, after she finished work? (Assuming that she answered questions about her whereabouts.)

I wonder when DeDe claims to have first heard about Kyron’s disappearance? Did Terri or Kaine call her that evening?

this was tweeted to me but I didnt see the question asked when reporter went to ask the person that owned the twitter account rosemont farm

DEDE Spichers tweet JUN4 txt@Rosemont_Farm is the produce outside by the rd, or do u drive up & knock on the door?7:25PM

so she tweeted this JUN 4 @ 7:25 pm (her being Terris best friend dont you think she knew Kyron was missing why tweet this day)

Hi All,

I’m not ready to look completely at Terri, just yet. I think what sticks with me the most is Desiree saying in her public address to Kyron, and I paraphrase, “I’m so sorry I couldn’t be there for your science project honey because I had to work.” That just seems like a convenient drop in of an alibi for me. I don’t care if it was proven that she was there, there’s just something about all the parents that smell a little rotten to me.

Anything been released yet if there are any insurance policy(ies) on Kyron?

Maryland Girl

thats a good question

Potato,

Terri appeared to have posted about Kiara’s “cute antics” most days. Most of the comments from friends were in response to the pics and comments she made about something Kiara had done that day.

While the Facebook messages I have only go back to May, I do not see a single comment from DeDe although she was apparently already a friend long before then because she is never listed as being added from May to June. DeDe does not make a comment until Saturday June 5th at 9:47 pm. It reads:

DeDe Spicher Thinking of you and Kaine and praying for Kyron’s safe return.

Saturday at 9:47pm • Comment • LikeUnlike

Tammy,

I’m confused. Is she saying she is at Rosemont Farm or is that her twitter account name? If she was at Rosemont farm…where is Rosemont Farm?

I agree with Maryland Girl-I do think everything about Terri is hinky but Im holding out for confirmed info from law enforcement. I have said from the beginning that something is not right in the household, I think the father is strange also but there is so much info flying around it really is hard to say what is fact.

How about this one….. Terri did something terrible to Kyron and poor little Kiara saw it. Kiara was so upset, not understanding what was happening, but sensing enough that she knew it wasn’t right and was screaming and crying and no matter how hard Terri tried, she couldn’t calm the little girl down. So, she panics and calls her BFF, DeDe to come and meet her immediately. Don’t tell anyone I called, just meet me at so and so. And then the story went on………………

interview with rosemont farm re dede

http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/

and here is her twitter http://twitter.com/dedejustdede

if you look you can see her tweet on that day and one the day after. her activity is odd

dede has known terri since JR High I saw it in one news report

that link does not go directly to the video anymore re rosemont farm. let me see if I can locate it.

In my experience, a child with an earache will not stop crying and a long ride in a vehicle would only increase crying rather than soothe….
On the other hand, when my kids were that age, a long drive always put them to sleep. Terri might have driven that way until the baby fell asleep and then was free to do as she pleased with Kyron without an witness.

http://www.localharvest.org/rosemont-century-farm-M29800

Here is a link to a Rosemont Century Farm in Portland.

Sorry, that farm is in Yamhill, Orgeon.

And another thing that causes me to scratch my head is if Terri actually did something to the child, why even bother to take the child to school at all? Why would you want people to see you and place you there if your intent is to cause harm to the child? If she took the child there, and her intent was to have him seen, and then have the world think the child was abducted, obviously everyone is going to look at you…why would she put herself through all that if her motive was to get rid of the child.

It’s hinky, alright…

This is an ODD posting on her twitter page from June 22 2010

“To surrender now is to pay the expensive ogre twice.” – Dylan Thomas 10:59 AM Jun 22nd

HI Cymbaline

I agree very Odd

» Tammy said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 08:07:17 }
dede has known terri since JR High I saw it in one news report

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Terri’s friend Jaymie Finster has known her since they went to junior high school together in Roseburg.

A news report I read about Dede is that she and Terri have been friends for seven years. Dede went to high school in Klamath Falls.

@Tammy

did u see this one? hacking up?

@Rosemont_Farm I just finished hacking up your pork shoulder… under the watchful eye of @enlocale.
6:41 PM Jun 11th via txt

Let’s speculate based on her twitter posts from the last 6 weeks..

Friend’s child, so so scary, Rosemont Farm, Hacking up..

Hi Val – great article and reader comments too!

As much as I hate to think this way, I believe at this point little Kyron is no longer with us. I hope I’m wrong.

The timeline really helps put things in perspective. Those missing 1 1/2 hours trouble me. I have to wonder if it all went down something like this…..

1.) There is an accident, Terri loses it, or she carries out a premeditated crime against Kyron shortly after leaving the school with him on June 4th.

2.) TH attempts to establish an alibi by driving around and stopping at various locations. She may even be trying to reach a trusted friend in a panic, hmmm..someone with an LE connection would be helpful right about now. Redial, redial…redial and Kiara, stop screaming you’re giving mommy and yourself an earache. Was poor Kitty a witness to what happened to her brother?

3.) Finally her trusted LE friend, DeDe returns the call(s) and her and TH agree to meet and sort this whole mess out around lunch time.

4.) It is decided that TH will go to/enter the gym(they could have met at the gym or elsewhere, who knows, would like to see the cell phone records and pings). Terri drops Kiara with the daycare, workout and shower(remove evidence). DS and TH’s either swap vehicles or moved Kyron from one vehicle to another so DeDe can dispose(hate that word) of Kyron. Maybe she moved him and used her own vehicle, another reason why the “dive” sticker has been removed from her personal vehicle recently.

I’m still not certain TH had anything to do with the disappearance of Kyron, but it doesn’t look good. I would hate to see an innocent person accused of a crime, especially one such as this. I’m just trying to keep an open mind as more information trickles in…

Thanks again Val.

I wonder what their normal method of communicating was? Some people tend to call and text their close friends rather than use FB or Twitter to keep in touch. We know Terri is adept at texting, so perhaps it isn’t odd at all that DeDe hadn’t commented on Terri’s FB in some time.

DeDe’s twitter doesn’t seem odd to me. (Although a bit mundane, but that’s just an opinion.)

Like many Twitter users, she tweets about her activities and interests. You can tell by her follow lists that she is pretty true in her posts to what her interests are. On the other hand, the only three lists she is on as being followed are all true crime lists, which I bet are very recent additions. If you trial back to the followers she had before all this news broke, most of those who do follow her tweets are fitness, gardening, food or money centric. Pretty consistent with her tweets & interests.

I think her texts with Terri would be far more enlightening.

Val, forgive me as I ramble a little….

So the reason she took the truck that morning was to make it “appear” she would be picking up the project? But the fair was not over when she left, so she may have intended to take it home but left it since other groups were still touring. That actually is plausible to me.

Clearly she did not want anyone to think she took him to the doctor that day. When she was about to leave, he was walking toward his classroom. So she isn’t claiming the doctor story?? To me, the doctor’s appointment or lack of one is key.

And did anyone see Kiara that morning at school? Did Terri leave the “sick” baby in the car? Who does that? And yet, if she did leave little Kiara in the car, did we ever hear from anyone how fortunate it was that “the abductor/kidnapper” didn’t also take a child left alone in a car. They dodged that bullet (a second child abducted from the car) and neither she no Kaine even mentioned it.

By now LE is bound to have all the dots connected on her whereabouts. Certainly we are all frustrated with the lack of verified information. But she has said enough and pinned herself into a story deeply enough that LE could nod to or nix her statements. Clearly, LE knows (1) if there was a doctor’s appt…..Kyron’s docs would have been interviewed. (2) if she really tried to hire a hit man (3) if she showed up at the places she claims …the gym on June 4th (4) that she showed deception on the polygraphs.

Now if they have that information, then she is either exonerated in their minds or she is the very target. They know if she lied and when she lied. I just wish they would tell us!

Regards to all and thanks to you, Val, for a continued detailed analysis even with the little there is to work with from LE. (Wish Oregon had our Sunshine Laws)

Cymbaline

when anita kissee reporter for katu interviewed rosemont farm they said they never met!

the person there they interviewed was a person named heather. she said she knew dede told her she had a condo but wanted to come plant and help on the fame she wanted to be a farmer.

thats odd to me. and she stopped tweeting may 20 till the day of jun 4

Val, thank you for your continued insight into these crimes against the innocent. I read here daily, but this is the first I have posted.
Some questions come to mind in reading the time line.
1.) Did she take a diaper bag for the baby? and if so did Kaine see her pack things in it. It would be a great place to hide a weapon of some sort.
2.) What did she buy at the grocery store, and how far is it from route 30 where she was seen? It takes me forever to get groceries and the time she supposedly left the school to the time spotted was not long. Especially when shopping with a child. Or did she just buy enough to keep the child and her fed for the day.
3.) What was her usual method of payment. Does she normally use a card but that day used cash so there would be no way of verifying what was bought and the amount spent. It would just rely then on the clerks memory and where surveillance cameras were. Maybe just at the entrance, and not at each check out.
4.) Did she stop to get gas anywhere? Those trucks use a lot of gas and if she wasn’t planning on having to come up with the “baby earache” story she would have had to fill the tank up so he didn’t notice how much gas was missing. My husband would have picked up on that right away if he just thought I was running some local errands and might use an 1/8 of a tank as opposed to a 1/2 or more. There might be video there.
Thanks

Cymbaline

what I meant was Heather at rosemont knew her online from the internet not in person

Rosemont Farm seems to be on her mind a lot in the days surrounding June 4th, not that the people at Rosemont Farm had anything to do with the disappearance.

Cymbaline

well at the end of the interview she said police are welcome to search our property we have nothing to hide. I am asking anita kissee & other that may know where a copy of that video is.

Mme. Val,

First off, kudos for your most succint and helpful timeline. Next, your notion that TH may have mentioned the upcoming “Friday” doctor’s appointment makes sense to me. Since so much may have hinged on that deliberate misunderstanding, I couldn’t see TH simply hoping that an opportunity to mention it to Kyron’s teacher during the confusion of the science fair on 6/4 would necessarily present itself.

Mme. C

Hello again everyone,

I can help clear up a rumor…DeeDee’s cousin on godlikeproductions.com did not say DeeDee and Terri were lovers or lesbians. It was asked by another poster if they were but the cousin never replied. Sorry I don’t have the direct link because I was reading it a couple hours ago on my cell but the entire conversation is in the forum area under a post titled “My cousin has just been implicated in the Kyron Horman case.”

Also, I don’t find it odd at all that DeeDee was tweeting back-n-forth with Rosemont Farms. DeeDee was some kind of specialty gardener (I can’t remember exactly what she does but Val has given her opinion) and Rosemont Farms has organic produce and such. I read Rosemont Farms and DeeDee’s tweets and they are nothing more than business as usual. Actually, Rosemont Farms replied to another tweeter called “helpFindHaleigh”, who tried to speculate that Rosement Farms was somehow connected to the case, that because of that they invited the SD to the farm.

I feel sorry for this farm and I don’t think they should be drug through the mud with speculation just because they were a business partner with DeeDee.

BTW, I’m not Rosemont Farm but I just realized I might sound like I’m connected in someway to them but I’m not. Just trying to help keep known fiction and gossip from what little known facts there are.

What I meant to comment on was your idea that TH may have mentioned the dr.’s appt. before the 4th. This makes sense to me for reason mentioned above.

Mme. C

Sorry, I forgot to add this to the last paragraph of my post: “that could damage innocent people.”

It should read like this: Just trying to help keep known fiction and gossip, that could damage innocent people, from what little known facts there are.

Much appreciated, OhSuzannah. And I agree with you. Rosemont Farm is an organic farm and I assume that the only connection between DeDe and them is DeDe’s hobby/job/whatever.

This was posted by a member at IS. It gives a good view and narrative of some of the roads we are discussing in this case.

http://www.kgw.com/home/Deputies-Significant-progress-being-made-in-Kyron-search-99143344.html

Here is a link to some answers given by LE to the media…you will find a link to the answers but my computer can’t open the file…can someone else open the file?

The narcissism of Terri Horman reminds me of my ex-wife, the one who disappeared with our four children 14 years ago in a Mormon kidnapping.

I can tell you that not knowing where your child is or when or if you will see your child again, because your child is in the hands of a kidnapper, is one of the worst forms of agony a human being can experience.

The Oregon legislature passed a landmark anti-kidnapping bill, Senate Bill 1041, “Aaron’s Law”, named for my late son Aaron Cruz, in 2005, the year that my son died. Aaron was the only one of my four children that I was able to recover from the abduction.

Oregon is the only state in the nation with an anti-kidnapping statute like Aaron’s Law. Look it up!

Someday it may protect a child you know and love.

Hi OhSuzannah

can you please point out where and when rosemont tried to contact helpfindhaleigh or who said this? I have researched and asked and this is not true.

I think whatever tweet was posted around was COPIED not a rumor.

valhall

I would like to point out to you that I never had an opinion about rosemont farm. I only posted fact and fact about what was reported in the news. not rumor. I dont have an opinion on rosemont. fact is they dont seem conected . as I posted earlier dede did not know them in person only online.

I’m trying to start any trouble- I only wanted to point out that some things were confirmed rumors. Rosemont Farm tweets (http://twitter.com/Rosemont_Farm), calling other tweeters out by name, to stop the rumors about their farm:

“@HelpFindHaleigh @TheINNsider LE was called & invited 2 our farm, we are cooperating 100%, please stop the rumor mill”

I was going to check out the INNsider’s tweets (after I checked out the helpfindhaleigh tweets) earlier but got busy and consequently, forgotten about Rosemont Farms calling them out as well. Apologies for that.

Again, I was only trying to help weed out known rumors. My apologies if anyone was offended.

Once again, I messed up my last post. Sorry, I’m getting sleepy but wanted to respond. The first sentence should say: I’m not trying to start any trouble.

Sorry for that, also!

OhSuzannah

those tweets got through thousands of people. there is no rumor of the farm being interviewed it is a fact you can call katu news and they will confirm it. the innsider has a blog I read and she is a factual person and would not ever post rumor either ever IMO

http://twitter.com/anitakissee reporter for katu her links email # on this too

http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/23/kyron-horman-10/

I went searching for the forum on godlikeproductions.com where the discussion starts about someone else posting the lesbian story on another site. It is solved that someone did state it on another website as fact, and they did apologize for the lesbian/lover rumor.

The conversation begins on this page:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg17

Just to have all links to everything I discussed, here’s a link to the other twitter pages, also:

http://twitter.com/HelpFindHaleigh
http://twitter.com/TheINNsider

I think that all the links. If not, and someone wants me to look up a link I may have left out, just let me know. At least I have learned to never post again without the links! lol

1.Tweets that mention Anita Kessee with KATU.com interviews.. #amber #alert #dede #spincher #kyron #hormon — Topsy.com says:
July 23, 2010 at 11:28 pm
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by The INNsider, devon pierce. devon pierce said: RT @devonpierce Anita Kessee with KATU.com interviews.. http://bit.ly/cHBC3U #amber #alert #dede #spincher #kyron #hormon [...]

OhSuzannah

are those twitters posted on godlikeproductions? where did they come from Im not understanding? or are you connected to their twitters?

» tammy said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 10:07:11 }

I have apologized several times and I don’t think we need to keep posting about it. I’m sure Val is already hating her blog being used in this manner, that I surely did not intend, just trying to clear up some known rumors.

Good night everyone.

Kudos Val!!!

Armchair detectives: True-crime websites are nonstop outlets for facts and opinions on Kyron Horman case

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime.html

(snipped)

the discussion is brisk at The Hinky Meter, a crime forum run by an aerospace engineer who exchanges e-mails with a representative for Kaine Horman when she needs extra details for her blog posts.

The moderator known as ValHall types out long lists of confirmed facts, debunked rumors and unanswered questions. She is a stickler for walking the fine line between rank speculation and certainty.

She doesn’t mention him by name, but a specter hangs over her carefully modulated discussion board — and it isn’t Kyron’s.

ValHall keeps in mind the late Richard Jewell, the security guard at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics whose journey from hero to bombing suspect and back began when he was named in an Atlanta Journal article as the focus of police attention.

The Justice Department formally cleared Jewell of involvement in the bombing, and another man, Eric R. Rudolph, was eventually convicted of the explosion that killed one and injured 111 others. But Jewell, who died of natural causes in 2007, went down as the man wronged by hasty judgment.

And the blogosphere is nothing if not a watering hole for hasty judges.

“I’m not out to solve a crime, I’m out to discuss it. I hate false rumors,” ValHall said in a phone interview. “I’m going to be careful about what I say, because I don’t know.”

Ok, one more because I hate that my posts weren’t clear and I don’t want anyone confused. This tweet:

“@HelpFindHaleigh @TheINNsider LE was called & invited 2 our farm, we are cooperating 100%, please stop the rumor mill”

came from Rosemont Farm’s twitter page at: http://twitter.com/Rosemont_Farm. You may need to click on the ‘more’ tab at the bottom of the page. The tweet from Rosemont Farm was directed to:

http://twitter.com/HelpFindHaleigh
http://twitter.com/TheINNsider

Ok. Now I’m really going to bed. G’nite all!

OhSuzannah

no I dont think it needs to be used either like this , If I need to cover what I wrote to be fact I will. I know val likes facts so I need to post links too they just were not all available earlier/ devon had it up on her site then posted it again or I would have had it up.

I just was trying to clarify I never intended to make rosemont look bad or say they were involved from my post here or that any people you are bringing out on here did either. without the actual links, thats how rumors do get twisted and started.

OhSuzannah

i finally understand what your saying

goodnight

Heather Walters of Rosemont Farm was interviewed by Anita Kisser of KATU because Heather and DeDe communicated online. The video is linked on this page:

http://video.katu.com/

Look for the video titled “Friends of Spicher fear they’ll become linked to Kyron case”

By: [Anita Kissée KATU News]
Date: July 23, 2010

Maura said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 08:07:00 }
» Tammy said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 08:07:17 }
dede has known terri since JR High I saw it in one news report

**

Terri’s friend Jaymie Finster has known her since they went to junior high school together in Roseburg.

A news report I read about Dede is that she and Terri have been friends for seven years. Dede went to high school in Klamath Falls.

Thanks Maura its hard to keep up

Maura I did see on the news later today that dede and terri met at the gym I dont know how long they have known eachother, I think dede is 43?do you know how long or did I miss that?

I just said they’ve been friends for seven years according to a news report.

Hello Valhall,

While I am relatively new to this type of site, I did spend some time on another site, which I won’t name. However, I must say that you, and your site, are first class in comparison.

And to all the posters: It is so pleasant to see everyone getting along. This is true from what I have seen so far. The other site was full of grandiosity, intense bickering, and criticism among posters and the site’s host. It was VERY toxic. There is is more, but I will end here.

Thank you everyone for the hard work and contributions. I have learned so much that I did not previously know on this one thread.

God bless Kyron Horman.

Approx 30 searchers were back out at Skyline School Sat 10:00 – early afternoon:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99180424.html

Investigators remain busy with 3,300 leads in the case of Kyron Horman’s disappearance. On Saturday however the search for Kyron Horman came back to Skyline School – more than seven weeks after the second grader was first reported missing.

Searchers took over the rural northwest Portland elementary school’s parking lot Saturday morning, from around 10 a.m. until early afternoon. So while Kyron Horman’s Wall of Hope continues to draw people to Skyline School, on this Saturday those here to see the tributes were surprised by something else.

Maura

Goodness sorry about that and thanks Maura

In my opinion, it’s more likely than not that Terri is responsible for Kyron’s disappearance. From the reports that I have read, he was scheduled to leave his home he shared with his bio-dad and step-mom Terri for a scheduled weekend visit with his bio-mom and step-dad. So, within hours after returning from school on June 4th he would be leaving for 3 days. Did Terri have so much hatred that she couldn’t give his bio-mom and step-dad that time with him? What was her hurry? Did she fear that he was going to tell his bio-mom something on the weekend visit? Did she do this to hurt/punish his bio-mom for something that we don’t know about? If she didn’t want Kyron around so badly that she would possibly murder him, why do it on a day that he was scheduled to leave? He was leaving and wasn’t going to be anywhere near her.

Gee, after considering DeDe’s adamancy with keeping quiet on everything, in addition to her background, I mean she likes plants and produce, it sounds so hard to believe that she could know about harm happening to Kyron and not say anything about it.

I am still wondering if DeDe and Terri and whoever were involved in a plan to hide Kyron, while caring for him. This could explain why they keep silent and uncooperative with LE, because although they have acted criminally, they might believe they are acting ethically, too.

I gradually came to think the worst when I only knew of Terri’s direct involvement with Kyron up to the point that he was reported missing. Now that DeDe is in the picture, it seems harder to believe that this daughter of a Sheriff’s Deputy, and mother nature lover could be as sinister as I perceived Terri to be.

Hmmm, I just don’t know what to think anymore. Does anyone know where Tuesday’s MCSO briefing can be viewed?

Tammy and OhSuzannah,

Neither one of you have done anything wrong. You have brought information here you read and you have supported that with links. So stop apologizing, please. It is absolutely acceptable to bring things here in a comment and present it as something you have read. It is also absolutely okay for everyone else to look at it and draw their own conclusions (like it shit or shinola for instance). So everything is okie dokie with the both of you! Chill out and just enjoy the discussion! I look forward to hearing more from both of you.

Crap, seeme….the writer changed the wording back again and now it is misleading again.

sigh

and grrrr. lol Hope I can find my disclaimer post. I have to put it back up.

Not sure if this is new, but first time I have seen this. It might be the website Kaine had talked about starting a while back.

BringKyronHome.org

“The official site for information on Kyron Horman”

http://bringkyronhome.org/

Does anyone know why the woods near the school were searched again yesterday?

@Kathy…..

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99180424.html

After 3,300 leads, Kyron search comes back to Skyline

(snipped)

Beaverton visitor Todd Wise said he saw a group of searchers leaving the parking lot, “geared up with gear” and what looked to be lots of supplies in their trucks.

“I asked if [they were] still searching,” Wise said, “and they said, ‘We just have a couple lose ends we’re following up on.’”

Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Mary Lindstrom said 30-or-so searchers were out again. However, she said it’s a routine part of the investigation, and not directly tied to a new tip.

@ seemeatthebeech. Thanks, I read that too. Loose ends? Geared up with supplies?
Doesn’t feel routine to me, but then…obviously I don’t know.

Seemeatthebeach,

Interesting reason for the search, just some ‘loose ends’ as if they have a lot tied together and are in no rush to make an arrest (but the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office will hold a news conference held Tuesday, July 27, at 2 pm according to another web link).

That KATU story adds a bit more to the info about DeDe’s father too. Quote:

“Spicher’s father, Don Spicher works for Klamath County – the same county that took the lead on the expanded search for Kyron.

However, the sheriff there assures us Deputy Spicher is part time and only works summers for marine patrol, and had nothing at all to do with the search and rescue operation. Even so, “he has to be very careful that he’s not walking the edge, helping his daughter potentially avoid apprehension or in anyway hinder this case,” McCain said.

We spoke to DeDe’s cousin Saturday. He said his uncle is an honorable man who DeDe looks up to. Her cousin said that if the deputy asked DeDe to cooperate she would.”

Is it just coincidence that NBC’s DATELINE will air it’s program on the Kyron case on Monday night, with the press conference by the sheriff to follow on Tuesday afternoon?

Is NBC the competing station to those that have photos licenced by Terri H’s lawyer, and does Terri have the legal right to licence photos of Kyron?

Val, thanks. I’d read a ‘timeline’ on one of the recent news pages, yours is so much much a better read, first stop for morning news check and coffee should be here, not google, for this case.

george said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 03:07:43
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I agree george…learning more about another person who might possibly have had prior knowledge of what was to happen to Kyron changes the very feeling of the whole case. It is very hard to believe that Terri might have had a co-conspirator involved in the death of Kyron…leaves me wondering if he is still alive among other thoughts:
1) Did De De have prior knowledge of the entire “plot” and what would make a woman join in on such an idea and at such risk to herself? Did Kyron do something they considered evil? He had to be eliminated to “save” someone else?
2) Was there some sort of “reward” that they could share in if Kyron was eliminated?
3) Did they believe that Kryon was so “at risk” due to some influence that he would be better off with another family and they “gave him away” so he could have a better life?
4) Did Kyron discover some secret both women shared (such as a personal relationship) and Kyron might “tell on them?”
5) Was De De ignorant of any plot against Kyron and she simply received an SOS call from Terri that morning claiming Kyron had had an accident but the accident “would look suspicious” and so De De must come to assist Terri rather than 911 being called. In this scenario, Terri would pull De De into a plot that only Terri was aware was not an accident…
6) Did Terri call De De because the truck became stuck somewhere in the woods? (In this one, Terri knows why she was stuck but De De does or does not know.)
7) Did Terri call De De so the two could have “a little time together” at Terri’s house…and Kyron was already missing (and De De does or does not know about Kyron.)
8) And then there are the bizarre speculations. Is it really all some crazy twisted “game?” Terri posting the game question that morning that might have been a signal to De De that today was the day to do what they planned…
“Terry needs help…What do you use when you wash your dog?”….(SOAP?)…meanwhile De De had posted on Twitter something earlier in time about not getting dish soap in your eyes as it hurts!…SOAP…and they make SOAP at the Rosemont Farm! Wow…see how far this can go?? A woman who Twittered from Rosemont Farm even states something about “one pig in solitary confinement.” Well!~~ seems people could make a big thing about that, too….if they wanted to find a sort of schizophrenic Meaning out of almost everything they wanted to but, really…those people out there on that farm are NOT making “special hot dogs” despite the fact that Desire is seen in a photo with Kyron smiling in front of a roasted pig (and the sight of it turned my stomach, BTW.) Have people read too many Stephen King books or what… The woman from Rosemont Farm called the tip line and they are really just guilty of having a woman named Dee Dee who began communicating with them about her passion for farming. Gotta keep the feet on the ground here even though I am reading about such ideas on other sites…which is why I’m through reading on other sites.
9) Was Kyron sold to someone so both women could go ahead and finance some venture?
10) Are all the boxes removed from the home of a friend related to the “mysterious” DSL Enterprizes? DSL Enterprizes that leads to a PO Box…but, if you type that into a search engine, there IS another address for the same titled business (not necessarily the SAME business) and I have no idea if that leads to an actual physical address or not or if it pertains to the case.

As you indicated, george….it’s almost like more information is LESS information. There is entirely too much going on and too many people involved and NO REAL additional information being added THAT IS VERIFIABLE to what we knew weeks ago. I don’t put much stock in the Twitter and Facebook stuff…if anyone was communicating that way about some “plot,” it was done in such a way that we can’t understand what is being said, IMO. If people met at the gym on a regular basis…then they certainly would know enough to go out after the work-out and talk without leaving an electronic trail behind them. The only thing all this information has done for me is to make me realize how very little we know about what happened that day when Kyron disappeared from school.

From this morning:

http://www.kgw.com/home/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html#

It is hard to think of one woman killing a child. To think that two of them conspired is beyond me. I don’t think DD knew what Terri was doing. Terri is a liar and a user and she used DD and lied to her. Why is DD still covering?

Either DD or Terri was at the gym so they could not have been together during that time.

DD could have been posing as Terri at the gym.
DD could have been caring for Kiara while Terri was establishing an alibi at the gym.
DD could have been washing the truck to get rid of evidence while Terri was establishing her alibi.

If this is all DD did then her father should be able to work out a deal for her and get her to tell the truth. That should be enough for an arrest.

fancy feast said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 11:07:33
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Good thinking and got me thinking, too. Dee Dee could have watched Kiara while Terry established her alibi. I don’t see anyone taking the chance of trying to appear like the other person. First, the gym personnel must be familiar with BOTH of them and couldn’t be expected to “fall for a swap.” Their bodies look somewhat alike and maybe even their faces…but their HAIR is very different and I don’t think it would fly…even if Dee Dee had her hair straightened…people would notice her MORE because they would think Terri had cut and colored her hair and they would want to see the change. Their hair color is not the same. (Anyway, there is no evidence that Dee Dee straightened her hair and then somehow frizzed it back up again!) Second, there must be video cameras about the gym and they couldn’t take a chance like that IMO.
~~~~~But…Dee Dee babysitting Kiara while SHE washes the truck and Terri establishing an alibi at the gym at the same time~~~~~~…now THAT is very plausible. VERY and I’m sticking with that theory until disproved.
Lends to the theory that Dee Dee is up to it to her eyeballs, too.

I seem to remember there were questions about those baths in Cindy’s State depo with LDK. Something like she would put Caylee in the tub when she was upset so she could calm down. And I wondered at what point was bath time not so much fun for the baby anymore? Did Cindy walk away while Caylee was in the bath? Was she in there so long the water got cold? I don’t have the deop at hand but there were enough questions about “bath time” that got me wondering…

Oh I’m sorry! Wrong thread. Val please remove.

I agree, Fancy Feast, that it seems unlikely that DeDe was Terri’s knowing co-conspirator in Terri’s sociopathic, premeditated plot. It seems more likely that she was lied to and manipulated by Terri so that she ended up getting herself implicated deeper into this nightmare than she probably ever envisioned.

Perhaps, for example, Terri frantically insisted to her friend that Kyron had been the victim of a terrible accident and begged her, for Kiara’s sake, not to put Terri in the position of looking responsible for something that wasn’t her fault.

Perhaps Terri fabricated some kind of emergency and asked DeDe to take care of Kiara while she tended to said invented emergency and DeDe learned of Kyron’s disappearance at the same time as the rest of the world.

As to why DeDe is still covering, I can think of a couple of possibilities:

1. Panic. At this point, her failure to come forward sooner in the investigation would have to be seen as self-incriminating, even if she truly had no direct hand in or advance (or even after-the-fact) knowledge of Terri’s actions. She may fear that she’s in so deep at this point, it’s best to keep her mouth shut and pray that the worst-case scenario of Kyron having been murdered by his stepmother never came to pass and/or never comes to light.

2. Delusion. She may be having as hard a time as anyone else in conceiving of her friend as the kind of monster who could harm an innocent child. Clinging to the notion of Terri’s innocence might also be instrumental for DeDe in privately exonerating her own behavior; what sane person would ever want to believe that s/he might have abetted, even indirectly and unknowingly, the disappearance of a child?

Regardless of possible motive, stonewalling investigators, if that is truly what DeDe has done, is unconscionable. If this woman has a shred of moral decency or even just minimal instincts of self-preservation, she will reveal everything she knows, as she have done from the get-go.

I have some questions and/or observations:

1. Was it unusual for Kaine to come home early from Intel to work at home and hang out with Kyron before he would spend time with his other parents?

2. It has been noted as unusual for Kaine to go to the bus stop to pick up Kyron. If it is not unusual for Kaine to do the things in item #1, would he have normally gone to the bus stop to pick up Kyron, with or without Terri?

3. I recently read that a red Mustang, similiar to Terri’s was seen in the chase on SI on June 4th. Is this true?

4. Is it possible that the school should be under more scrutiny over the SF itself? I find it inappropriate that there was a semi-public activity going on in the day time while many parents needed to work and could not be their with their children (using common sense and assuming here). I think this should raise some serious questions. TH is painted by many as a bad mother for leaving Kyron before the SF was over. On the other hand, are working parents who allowed their children to be in the sole care of the school bad parents for doing so? I would be surprised if semi-public events are not protested from here on out, especially when parent can’t be there with their children. The entire event seems reckless.

5. I read something from a local in Portland who either was a staff member or volunteer within a certain district. He or she claimed that unless a volunteer OR employee worked directly with children, they would not receive a background check. I think this person spoke about their own experience — meaning they were not subject to a background check because they were not working with children. Another person responded from the area and said this would not fly within their district, but that it could be possible within the area. If this is true, this is also reckless and attention should be on the school in the media. I am thinking landscapers, etc.

6. I am not sure if this is true, but I have read that there are employees and perhaps teachers at Skyline who have questionable histories. I also read that parents were pulling their children out of schools within the same district in the spring. Again, it would be interesting if we can determine this and why it was happening.

I agree with many others that things do not look so good relative to TH’s alibi. However, I have been one of those who attemps to look at all avenues of possibility and/or oddity. I apologize if I am off topic, but I think all things are worth looking at.

Just me, I tend to agree with you. A semi public school event does not sit well with me either. I know the evidence seems to point to TH, but there other questionable things going on in this horror story. I hope that LE investigated all avenues ie: local sexual predators, because anything could’ve happened. I’m not in anyway defending TH, not in the least, but we have seen strange endings to other stories in the past, and to have tunnel vision is a really bad road to go down. I heard about a bloody sock found and turned into LE, then heard nothing more, I wonder if it’s been tested for dna if it’s a childs sock. I also don’t think it strange for a parent to wave goodbye to a child in the hallway. Afterall, the school should be a safe place for a child to be. JMHO

Kleat said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 10:07:34 }

I asked the same question about Terri’s rights to license photos when it was reported her attorney photo shopping in NYC when Terri retained him last month.

Coincidence about Dateline and press conference……probably not. Any info put out to the public so far from LE, Kaine, Desiree and Tony seemed all about timing and “scripted”.
JMO

The professor who found the sock in Black Butte, Oregon stated it was a child’s sock. Black Butte is approx. 130-140 miles south of Portland and about 30 miles south of Eugene, Oregon, as the crow flies.

PS, IMO, this sock is not related to Kyron’s disappearance. Rather, related to an injury of a family member while hiking or camping in the woods together.

» Kleat said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 10:07:34 }
” does Terri have the legal right to licence photos of Kyron?”
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Darn good question. It would seem she would not. She isn’t an adoptive Mother,
And even if she were a photographer, she would no doubt have to get approval
from the bio parents even if she took the photo’s.
I really hope there is a way to prevent Terri from any financial gain from the
pictures of Kyron.

Hi again,

Concerning the Dr. appointment:

Is it possible that Kyron’s friend could have heard that Kyron had a Dr. appointment from the teacher instead of Kyron? Perhaps he could have asked the teacher where Kyron was and she may have stated that he is at a Dr. appointment. Is it possible that Kyron’s friend overheard a conversation Terri had with the teacher in the gym — if that conversation took place that day?

This bit of information is very key. I am sure we are all interested to know about the appointment records at the Dr. office. It would also be interesting to know if TH has any friends that work at the office. Also be intresting to do a diagnostic to see if there were any changes to this appointment or the exact time in which the appointment was made (covering tracks after-the-fact?). Is there a paper appointment book in additional to computerized records?

again the DR. appt. should be easily proved or disproved. To make a lie up like that would be really assine to say the least. With a missing child case, why would anyone tell a teacher that a child has a dr. appointment when they don’t. It’s so easily checked. Even as a diversion it doesn’t make sense. Buying time? If you God forbid wanted to harm a child and use the school as an excuse, when there was a semi public event going on, I think a psychopatic mind would lean towards a predator abduction scenario, therefore saying nothing to lead authorities to look at you. If she never made up an excuse re: Dr. appt. then there would be no trail pointing at her. He would have just vanished into thin air. Her explanation to Le would make perfect sense.She left him in the hallway and went on her way. She’s either really dumb and guilty of his disappearance, or not guilty. Only time will tell. I hope to God they find Kyron alive and well somewhere in the world. This whole case to me is really odd.

One more thing that just crossed my mind, if she really made the appt. for the follwing Friday, and it checks out, then she’s not as dumb as she looks. The diversion would work as long as there was nothing in writing stating that appt. was on June 4th.

Has anyone heard the story about DeDe’s property tax papers on the condo was sent to a address on SI???
There are so many stories whirling around, it is hard to tell the truth from fiction.
Did she know someone that well?? Is this the reason SI has been searched?
Is this the reason that a white truck and a blue SUV were seen speeding from there??

Hi CLMinor,

I thought it was a white truck and red car that day on Sauvie Island. The blue SUV is new to me. Not saying it wasn’t a blue SUV. I just remember thinking at the time that the person in the red car was probably Terri. It came out later that she was driving the truck that day and I haven’t seen any news articles on it since. I’ll try and find the story – it was early in the investigation and IIRC, the residents got the license numbers and gave them to police.

As I understand it:
Terri > White truck (she usually drives small red car but not on this day)
Mike > blue truck or SUV
Dede > Blue truck or SUV (with her stickers removed)

License plate #? From residents on Sauvie Island? That’s rather significant. Do tell if you find anything.

And DeDe’s property tax to condo sent to SI? I am imaging this to be a rather small area. And, I’m thinking neighbors are not that close to each other. If true, that would likely be the SI connection. I’m assuming LE checked out homes in that area? Thanks

Just me,

According to the article on Kurtis, Kyron told him personally. That’s all we have to go off right now – right or wrong.

About the school. I have made no bones about how I feel the school dropped the ball on this.

lynda,

I disagree. She apparently was trying to set up a situation where the school didn’t attempt to contact parents. It required setting up a confusion that Kyron was possibly with her. I think the vague statement of a doctor’s appointment “on Friday” makes perfect sense to attempt to give time to get rid of Kyron and not be suspected – and give reasonable doubt.

Also, I’d like to say I won’t be surprised to find out she had made an appointment for Friday the 11th. Question will be – when was that appointment made?

Addendum:

Second question – why didn’t Kaine know about it?

Well Kathy and CLMinor,

I can’t really find an actual article on this now. Sorry. All I can find so far is a white truck and red mustang driving erratically on SI, but it was on Facebook and the in session forums. Hardly a real news source. If I ever come across the article again, I’ll post the link. One thing I remember for sure is that they got plate numbers and the police had them.

aka helpfindhaleigh

check out this video of dede she is very large from any pic I have seen.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

Sorry Foobros, I seen it posted from her cousin. Whether it’s true or not is one of the questions I am asking???
Being this is not a fact, but a question is the reason why I posted it.
There’s so much that is not known, it makes a person wonder???
The statement about the property taxes were checked out by someone and I couldn’t say if that is the truth or not. But the person posting it, I have read their posts for years and always found out they usually post the truth and checked it out well, Before they post the information.
The reason why I was so surprised.
Sometimes the “he said, she said” are false.
Just some questions I had that need answers too before saying it is the whole truth.

Val,

was wondering of you knew why the FBI is involved at this point? Im not familiar with the legal reasons of why they do in state of the crime.

can you answer that? Is it because they have found some hard evidence and if so why no arrest yet?

does anyone know if it has been confirmed it was the cousin or not for real on that site with his sister? someone sad it was not but it seemed to me it was? Im confused.

Tina,

The FBI was called in on the first day. They provided profilers for the case. FBI is renowned for its criminal profilers. They work with the crime scene, the interviews of what took place, and victimology (a profile of the victim, if you will) to establish the profile of the abductor/murderer. They are priceless in an investigation like this.

Great timeline, thanks. But I think I can add insight into one important point.

It appears sketchy that people have ACTUALLY WITNESSED Terri leaving the school with Kyron at 8:45, and I don’t believe it happened that way.

I think the whole plot was laid out by Terri carefully enough so that she would not be seen leaving the school with Kyron, but she instead would be seen leaving alone if anyone were to notice.

It all hinges on the layout of the school and the surrounding area around the school. I have seen extensive photos and a schematic drawing of the school on another website, and now the method that Terri used to get Kyron out is plain as night and day.

The main section of the school has one long, main hallway, that runs east and west. There are exit doors on both ends of the hallway. The east exit leads out to the parking lot (where Terri left from), and the west exit leads out to tall grasses, and stairs leading down to a soccer field. There is also a seldom-used side road that accesses the soccer field. This road can not be seen easily from inside the school because of the tall grasses, and the fact that the school sits high on a hill.

Also, the west exit door is right next to Kyron’s classroom, and this point is critical. It should also be noted that you can see the west exit while standing at the east exit.

It’s also important to note that neither the main road that runs in front of the school, nor the entrance to the obscure side road to the soccer field, can be easily seen from the school. This is due to the high grasses, and the fact that the school sits high on a steep slope.

Okay, now back inside the school to the hallway…halfway down the hallway is the library. Terri stated that she parted ways with Kyron there. She claimed that she went east towards the parking lot exit, and Kyron went west, towards his classroom. I believe this part is all true, they did separate at the library.

But what happens next is my theory..

Terri whispers to Kyron (while saying goodbye at the library) “lets play hooky for the day.” She proceeds to tell him to walk towards his classroom, turn and wave goodbye to her when she gets to the east exit door, then he is to sneak out the west exit when the coast is clear.

At that point, he is to slink in the tall grass and run down the stairs to the side access road, then run to the where the access road meets the main road. There, he is to hide in the tall grasses, and wait for Terri to drive down the main road and pick him up.

Meanwhile, Terri would casually be seen at the east exit door, turning to wave goodbye to Kyron, then walking to the parking lot and driving out the driveway, all by herself. No one would see her stopping the 1/16 mile down the road to pick up Kyron because of the tall grasses and the steep grade of the slope in front of the school.

Then Terri has Kyron quickly jump in the car, and she has him hunker down in the seat. (This is so no passers-by would see him in the car with her as she drives off with him.)

Of course Kyron would think it’s all a game, and he’s trusting his step-mother. But as we know, she had other plans in mind.

Well, I think that’s speculation, Bill, not insight. Although the lay-out of the school is helpful.

I don’t personally believe Kyron would have all of a sudden agreed to play hooky with Terri. First because I’m not real certain at this point the relationship was of that nature. Second because this was an important and exciting day of school for him. One I believe he had anticipated.

I think Terri hit him with the fact they weren’t going to be able to stay (and that he had to go to a doctor’s appointment) on the way to school. Kurtis, Kyron’s friend, states he told him as much that morning.

I believe, if any sneaky scenario went down in the school that morning to separate Kyron from Terri when they each exited the school it was that Terri sent Kyron on ahead to the pickup with some excuse like “I’m going to check you out of school.” or “I’m going to let Ms. Porter know we’re going to the doctor…go onto the pickup and I’ll be there in a few minutes.”

Mine is speculation as well…so we’re pretty even right now.

Hi Valhall,

Thank you for your reply. I am new to your site and have not had much time to read your earlier material. Thank you for sharing your stance about the school in general. I understand the politics of damage control, but this is extreme IMO. Not many are discussing it.

And thank you for the lovely Sunday post. Aside from the laundry, I hope you had a wonderful day!

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According to the article on Kurtis, Kyron told him personally. That’s all we have to go off right now – right or wrong.

About the school. I have made no bones about how I feel the school dropped the ball on this.

Did she start to get cold feet and need all that driving to get her nerve up to do the deed. Was Kyron upsetting Kiara because he knew that this wasn’t the way to the doctor’s office? Even at this point even if Terri didn’t follow through with her plans she would have to do some explaining. You know Kyron would have told his dad and mom about the upcoming doctor appointment, and the parents seem close enough that if something was wrong that they would call the other, would definitely want to know what was going on. Also how would you check a child back into school without an excuse from the doctor. This wasn’t preschool and Kyron is fully aware of what he was told about where he was going.
My point is whether or not she had second thoughts she had no choice because she already had too many stories she couldn’t back out of.

Bill,

Kyron knew he would be spending the weekend with Desiree so, if TH suggested playing hookey, he probably would’ve grabbed his back pack and jacket as hookey would indicate not returning to school that day. However, if TH told him he had a dr. appointment, he would assume he’d be back and leave all his things on the desk. Just my speculation. At this point it all seems to be quite a mystery.

hello to everyone. I’ve been following this site for weeks and have a few things to share.

@HLDC I agree with your ideas too. I think TH maybe did drive around those rural roads for two reasons. Getting her courage up to do something to Ky….(hate to even write that), and looking for a place to leave him. It’s even entered my mind that she may have chickened out and decided to just abandon him far in the woods somewhere. Without his glasses. Knowing he would have such a little chance of surviving on his own for long lost in the woods. I hate that thought more than almost anything. If Kyron indeed is deceased I so hope it was over quickly. (again hate to write ALL of this)

all of the posts on here are so insightful and interesting. This is a great site.
*praying for kyron*

The person who owns the license to a photograph is the person who took the photograph, not the person or people in the photograph.

Look at Ricardo Morales. He photographed Casey and Caylee (separately and together) a number of times, obviously with their permission because they were smiling or posing for the photos. Ricardo shopped the photos to The Globe Magazine when they apparently approached him for an interview in August/September 2008, and they chose some photos (taken on two different dates) in which Caylee was wearing the Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages pink t-shirt.

After Caylee was found in December and it was determined that the pink BTCiSP t-shirt was with Caylee’s remains, the photos became very hot, and Ricardo sold them again to the National Enquirer.

And in this situation, “sold” means he took money in exchange for allowing them to publish the photos for a predetermined number of times in the magazine. He remained the owner of the license; what he sold was the use of the photos.

Going back to another comment about possibly washing away evidence at the gym, did Terri enter the gym carrying a duffel bag? Do we know if they have checked for blood on any free weights or tissue on jump ropes, etc. These could be used as weapons against poor Kyron and returned with no one really missing them. It might not be of first thought that she would have used something from the gym, and this would ensure the weapon was not in the house or on her, and contain multiple finger prints or none if they are wiped down after use.
Just a thought.

The school called the sheriff’s office on Friday, June 4 around 4:00pm. Several officers and and a search team of eight LEOs (with a dog) showed up immediately and searched the school building and grounds. A notification that Kyron had not come home after school went out to all PPS parents around 5:30pm. When it became apparent that Kyron was not going to be found quickly, Sheriff Staton called the FBI around 7:00pm.

Staton said the fact that Kyron seemingly disappeared from inside a school was an important element in his decision to call the FBI in early. As Valhall noted, a Quantico-based profiler was brought in to help, but I think the initial reason Staton called the FBI was to get their Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team involved quickly. That team works exclusively on missing child cases. The abduction team began working on the case immediately; the profiler was mentioned in news articles on Sunday, June 6.

Thanks, Maura. (re ownership of photos). Yes for the creator of the photographs, owning copyright, but what about a photographer needing releases or permission from identifiable persons in their photo that they are publishing to the media?

Or is that just professional photographers who need this sort of release?

I am Heather from Rosemont Farm. Just wanted to say thanks for not being too hard on us for befriending someone on the internet. It just as easily could have been one of you in my shoes (err boots really).

As for the pig in solitary…yep we have one. His name is Rojo. He’s a bad boy and keeps getting out.

)
Cheers

I met Dede several months ago at the far where she worked on Friday, June 4th. The farm is big, and it would be a big enough farm for someone to go missing for 90 minutes, and yet still be on the farm. I’m not sure that she wasn’t working somewhere on the farm the whole time.

There are many of us in Portland’s gardening community who were acquaintances of Dede, but did not know her well, and who feel alienated by the idea that she may have been involved in this. We introduced her to our kids.

I was absolutely shocked when I saw her picture on the news, because she sure doesn’t seem like the type that could be involved in any kind of cover-up.

I saw and talked with Dede on Saturday, June 5th at the farm. I keep going back to that day, and wondering if she knew anything, and if so, what. She seemed warm, happy, enthusiastic.

When I met her the first time in April, she seemed rather fragile, like she’d been through a lot. Not confident. I remember thinking on June 5th that I thought it was nice that she was feeling better.

Here’s what I keep wondering: If my good friend’s kid was missing, I wouldn’t be at a garden event, even if I had committed to work there. I’d be figuring out how to help my friend, or searching for her kid or something.

But also, if Dede had just been party to a kidnapping or a murder, I don’t think she could have pulled off a breezy, happy attitude like she did.

It makes me think that Dede either didn’t know at that time that Kyron was missing or she knew that Terri took Kyron, but that he was safe somewhere. If Terri wanted to leave Kaine, but was heavily involved in Kyron’s life, perhaps she just took him to keep him for himself, and has hidden him with friends somewhere.

I know that Dede still had the Klamath Search and Rescue sticker on her car on June 5th, because I saw it on her car as I was leaving that day, and I wondered what it was about.

I am hoping and praying for Kyron’s safe return. I can’t imagine what it’s like to go to sleep at night not knowing where your kid is.

Hi Heather and thank you for stopping by. I am sorry that your peripheral and tenuous electronic connection to DeDe has caused you and your farm to come in the spotlight for less than favorable scrutiny. As for your red pig, we had one for a while (can’t remember the breed). We called her “Redweena the Ugliest Pig in the world”. Eventually we had her slaughtered. My daughter was this little petite thing about 2 years old at the time with a full head of curly black hair and this abnormally deep voice that didn’t match her little face and body. When her dad would ask her “Where’s Redweena?” she’d say in her she-man voice, “We ate her.”

lol

Life on a farm…some city folks don’t get it.

Kindest regards to you…and Rojo.

Gloria,

Thank you for that insight. To be clear, while we are being speculative as to a connection between the time DeDe was gone from the job and unaccounted for on June 4th and what may have happened with Kyron, we have no evidence that she was in any way directly involved. So, I want to be clear on that. DeDe’s disappearance on June 4th could turn out to be totally unconnected to the events surrounding Kyron’s disappearance and whatever happened to him afterward. OR, it could be peripheral in that Terri made have confided in her during that time….possibly not even the truth, but some version of it (I lost Kyron and I’m glad. Or there was an accident and I dont’ know what to do.)

DeDe’s involvement in this could turn out to no more than she has been a confidante to Terri, knows more than she is telling and is refusing to cooperate along with trying to persuade others to do likewise.

Just like the rest of this case, we’ll have to wait and see.

I’m sorry, but at this time I don’t agree that TH drove all those roads because she was having second thoughts. And I don’t think she did anything because “Kiara was upset”. Now a logical scenario to me is that she needed to get Kiara to sleep first, so she may have driven around a bit to ensure Kiara had fallen asleep…that way she and Kyron could exit the vehicle and move away from it prior to her doing whatever dirty deed she did in this and without affecting Kiara.

Just viewed a video from link above (not sure which one) where the reporter says DeDe is a “med school wannabe”. Wondering if this has any connection.
One would think, that if Terri called her friend to help because of an accident, DeDe wouldn’t be able to return to work, or cover for Terri.
Unless DeDe was involved in the planning, no way do I see her being involved after the fact and keeping quiet.

@ Valhall said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 05:07:42 }

OT

The following is based upon my opinion & views ..

I’m not a city folk just a nana that is deeply involved with animal rescue & animal rights work & additionally by choice a vegetarian so I found your very public comments about “Redweena the Ugliest Pig in the world” quite disturbing to say the least & saddened that a young child was taught it’s o.k to kill one of God’s creatures & joke about it..

I was also surprised that you of all people didn’t give some thought that some people just might be offended by your descriptions in that comment before it went very public regardless of where they live or have lived..

I’m sorry that I made my usual stop to read your site this morning had I not done that I would have gladly missed the Redweena comments but I won’t make that mistake again..

nana,

If it helps any, I have given great thought that there are people out there who will decide to be offended by the damnedest things. And those things usually reduce to lifestyle differences – and intolerance on the part of the offended.

Redweena was raised to be eaten. And my child knew that. And I really can’t help it that the pig was butt-ugly…but she was. It didn’t affect the taste any though. The bacon fried up nicely.

I will not cower to political correctness in order to keep your sensitivities preserved. People eat meat, nana. People raise animals with the intention of eating them. Some animals are ugly. Get over it.

» Nana2
Re: your comment about
“Redweena the Ugliest Pig in the world”
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Oh gee…
How about Mortimer the calf… Born o my uncles farm and was near death.
I saved him, nursed him and he grew up to be a nice big steer.
On my birthday I was invited to a steak dinner and as I took the first bite of
a huge juicy steak, my uncles asked how Mort tasted.
CHOKE .. GAG.. I couldn’t even swallow. At least not that beef.

It is all in how you view it, and this is how I view it.
Val writes very informative articles, and spends a lot of time and effort to inform.
Ya know, it is just plain darn rude to scold and the owner of the blog on issues of
your personal opinion. It is probably rude as well, for me to lecture you, but due
to illness and a lot of pain I have been awake all night and am in a very crabby mood.

I’d like to respond to the two replies to my earlier comment.

I still believe that Terri had Kyron sneak out the exit door that is right next to his classroom. (Although the reason she gave him to do so may not be to play hooky.)

Terri had this whole thing very well planned out, as she knew that she was about to do something horrible to Kyron. Her strongest contention all along is that she left the school grounds at 8:45 without Kyron, and she wanted to make certain that no one could dispute that claim. The only way she could do that is to make certain that the events actually happened that way.

IF she had told Kyron to run out to the truck and wait for her there, Terri would be facing the strong risk that someone would see Kyron go out to the truck, or be sitting in the truck at 8:45. If this had been the case, Terri would be behind bars right now.

Terri had to be 100% positve that her assertion as to where she saw Kyron last could not be positively disputed. So she claimed that she last saw Kyron walking to his classroom, and she set it up so no one could say otherwise, with any certainty.

So her best chance at success would be to drive off the school parking-lot grounds, without Kyron even in the vehicle with her. My earlier posting explains how that could be accomplished.

As an aside, I agree that Terri’s excuse of driving Kiara around for 90 minutes is very lame, and certainly not the truth. But once again, Terri makes a claim that no one could positively dispute.

She could not claim that she was at the mall, or a gas station, or whatever, because cameras could prove her to be lying, She could not say that she went straight home, because neighbors could say that no vehicle was in her driveway. So she came up with an excuse that no one could positively dispute.

Her biggest mistake that may keep her from going scott-free happened many months ago, when she contacted the landscaper. So she may end up with prison time for plotting to murder Kaine. But as it stands now, she can’t face charges concerning Kyron, because no one can prove anything about him until they either find him, or someone else comes forward and confesses to working with Terri on the plot.

I want to personally blame O.J. Simpson for my postings, for it was his case that got me hooked on true-crime mysteries. Lol.

CBS morning show aired another Kyron case interview this morning with ” Bruce McCain, former captain of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s office, to offer his insights into the handling of the case.”

Video of the interview on this page with the text story.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/26/earlyshow/main6713605.shtml

Thanks Valhall for the timeline. I was trying to piece it together in my head and this was perfect.

In the first place, if Kyron left his jacket and backpack at school HE had the expectation that he was coming back to school. Second, if he thought he was going to the doctor he would be deeply disturbed at being randomly driven around the back roads. The other thing that disturbs me to no end is that Kiara had to be somewhere in this. She would have been distraught to leave her brother behind on such a trip. [ I took my son on a his first road trip at that age. We were at a gas station and his dad went in to pay and there were people behind us so I slipped in to the driver seat to move the car. My son went bezerk because he thought we were leaving his dad behind. He was only consoled when his dad got back in the car. ]

TH could have spiked milkshakes or something that she gave the kids to make them sleep. If TH had seriously thought this through she would have turned her cell phone off during the drive.

What Gloria says about DD not being concerned the next day is interesting. When I heard that a girl from our community went missing my first thought was leash up the dogs and go search for her. We weren’t allowed so I spent the day by the TV waiting for good news (which didn’t come, unfortunately). It was hard to find anyone in the community who could smile while we waited for the dreary answers.

my thoughts: Whatever happened was premeditated but not well planned. DD is a weak personality who is easily manipulated. TH is a champion manipulator. You can’t ignore the fact that those back roads take you to the river.

What I can’t reconcile is that DD doesn’t get this. Heartless, stupid or brain washed? I think we’ll know some of these answers very shortly.

Bill said: “I still believe that Terri had Kyron sneak out the exit door that is right next to his classroom.”

The west exit door is at the end of the hall way, down two half flights of stairs and around the corner. Note that this is an emergency exit, and using it would be unusual.

Also, the library, cafeteria and two classrooms are in the basement of the school. Note that there are several more exit doors. One of which is in the NW of the gym and leads to the N side of the school.

FYI, I am under the assumption that he left to go to the MD.

On 2nd thought .. given that June 8 was the last day of school, the Dr. appointment can only refer to that sad Friday June 4th.

Yes, Dee Dee might not know all about what happened to Kyron. Actually, that is easier for me to imagine than to think about 2 grown women who entered into a plot together to kill a 7 year old child. I really do believe that Dee Dee got an SOS call from Terri about some terrible “accident” that happened to Kyron that morning. That theory would necessitate Kyron (if he is ever found) to be in a position of some sort of accidental setting…
I am still drawn to the idea of the railroad bridges (there are 4 of them, in total) found between NW Mc Namee Road and NW Cornelius Road because a 7 year old child could feasibly walk that far from the school and Terri would, IMO, either hide Kyron forever or she would make it appear as an accident. Those bridges are reachable from a logging road off of NW Mc Namee Road or from Thompson Road which is a right turn off of NW Cornelius Road and are almost directly behind Kyron’s school. If Kyron “fell off” one of these bridges then Terri might have called Dee Dee…Terri needing to go straight to the gym to establish an alibi and Dee Dee washing the truck ie;
“My God, Dee Dee…they might think this isn’t an accident! After all, why did I bring him here to kill time before his doctor appointment even though we were just going for a little walk…you know, I’ve told you what a jerk Kaine is…he’ll never believe this.”
If Kyron is found there…well, for some reason he left the school and fell off of a bridge or some unknown terrible person took him there to push him off the bridge….which is very doubtful…but Terri was “far away shopping in the super market” or driving around “tending to an earache” so she figures she’ll be safe; what with reasonable doubt.
If not one of those bridges…then some place else where an “accident” could occur and now Terri is just too frightened to confess Kyron “died by accident.”
Just another theory on the whole thing…but maybe Terri can’t confess for the same reason that Casey couldn’t….it doesn’t look like an accident at all.
If Dee Dee is not part of any plot then she surely will tell what she knows and fairly soon. If she doesn’t…then she is part of it IMO.

» Mimi said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 10:07:04 }
george said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 03:07:43

that was all I had in my mind too. it spins as you think about Everything. Why in the Heck would DEDE Spicher Appear out of no where and post that about the dishsoap. THat is very strange to me period. I just dont appear out of no where and say things like that!

Dee Dee being blase the next day is strange…but Casey was blase by the time she reached Blockbuster…so, that is no guarantee that Dee Dee has no idea what happened or was not involved in some way. However, I just get the feeling that Dee Dee is a pawn in all of this…and information should begin pouring in if the screws are tightened up on her a bit. I think LE will tell her she ought to sing, if she’s got a song, in fact, rather than go down with the ship…no “friendship” of any kind is worth that price if one person is innocent and the other is using you.

ValHall

Dede helped this co out to from tweets I see from them and after kyron went missing too! do you know if they have been checked out?

http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/

from pea to dede tweet
http://twitter.com/pea_

@dedejustdede thank you so much for helping us! you are a rock star. now, go buy some practice chickens. 10:35 AM Jun 13th via DestroyTwitter

from dede to pea

@pea_ I will sleep better tonight knowing you will finally get a good night’s sleep now too.
2:15 PM Jun 22nd via txt

from pea to dede tweet
http://twitter.com/pea_

@dedejustdede thank you. that’s almost unbearably sweet of you.
2:34 PM Jun 22nd via Echofon in reply to dedejustdede

Tina said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 11:07:20
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Tina, it might have just been a private joke among her friends who visit her Twitter page…maybe she did get dish soap in her eyes. That is precisely why I would never have a Facebook, My Space, Twitter, etc. page…too much room for speculation if, for any reason, a person comes to be in the public eye.

http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/

7.07.2010
moving

unexpectedly. in a hurry. means there is no label on the box that houses the charger for the camera. and another move in a month means i most likely will not bother to unearth it until later. translation: picture quality may deteriorate while my phone stands in as best it can.

posted by pea at 16:11 1 thoughts

“What I can’t reconcile is that DD doesn’t get this. Heartless, stupid or brain washed? I think we’ll know some of these answers very shortly.”

And/or threatened? It may be that Terri has threatened to take DeDe down with her by implicating DeDe in the plot, regardless of the depth of DeDe’s actual involvement, if DeDe doesn’t back Terri’s story up.

I seem to recall in the Ben Owensby abduction that the monster who kidnapped him deliberately made sure his first victim, Shawn Hornbeck, was in the truck at the time of the abduction so that Hornbeck would be, from the monster’s perspective,” deep
“in” on the crime, thus helping to ensure his silence.

Praying for a resolution for the family in this sad, sad case. As hard as I try to imagine a scenario in which Kyron is still alive, it’s hard to imagine such a miracle. In those rare cases where, months or even years later, an abducted child has turned up alive, it’s been because the perpetrator had his own horribly twisted and self-serving motives for keeping the kid alive. This case, which smells of revenge by TH against KH, doesn’t seem to fit that pattern. If someone out there has a plausible scenario by which Kyron will be returned alive to his family, it would be wonderful to have some shred of hope to cling to…

why is pea moving in a hurry unexpectedly?! july 7 why is that date significant?
who is pea? she is dedes friend….

>>>>>10:10 a.m. to 11:39 a.m. reported to be according to Terri Horman:

Terri claims she drove around on rural roads trying to calm Kiara down because Kiara had an earache. <<<<<<<>>>Kaine leaves in the red Mustang because Terri has requested the white F250 Ford pickup so that she can bring Kyron’s science fair project home from school. <<<<

How did she get the project to school? In the truck or in the car? It wasn't that big of a project. It should have fit easily in the truck of the 'stang. Even if she also needed a large stroller in the truck.

thoughts:
Woodntiger said…
So where are you now, last time I had perused your blog, you were on an island… apparently it was yours and no one else knew… damn them for not getting the memo. I did see something about you living by farms and being seemingly landlocked, sounds like and adventure, one extreme to the other. And now someplace else… if you’re on the road, put up some pictures… would like to see your trip…
July 9, 2010 6:08 AM

PASTRY PEA WAS ON THE ISLAND!

OOPS! In trying to quote the parts from the article, it left off the whole point of the first part of my post. I forgot AGAIN that it does that.
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quote: 10:10 a.m. to 11:39 a.m. reported to be according to Terri Horman:

Terri claims she drove around on rural roads trying to calm Kiara down because Kiara had an earache. unquote

This is the first I’ve heard of that explanation. I call B.S.!!! There is NO WAY a mother with any sense would drive a toddler in pain around rural roads in a Ford F250. Those trucks are very bouncy/uncomfortable to begin with. Add in rural roads and there is absolutely no way.

Quote: Kaine leaves in the red Mustang because Terri has requested the white F250 Ford pickup so that she can bring Kyron’s science fair project home from school. Unquote.

So, how did she get the project to school? In the truck or in the car? It wasn’t that big of a project. It should have fit easily in the truck of the ‘stang. Even if she also needed a large stroller in the truck.

ValHall Please forward the info to any source you have!!!!!!!!!!

1 thoughts:
Woodntiger said…
So where are you now, last time I had perused your blog, you were on an island… apparently it was yours and no one else knew… damn them for not getting the memo. I did see something about you living by farms and being seemingly landlocked, sounds like and adventure, one extreme to the other. And now someplace else… if you’re on the road, put up some pictures… would like to see your trip…
July 9, 2010 6:08 AM

sent to dedes CLOSE friend Pasrty Pea http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/

ValHall

this could be nothing but ANYONE connected to dede needs to be questioned~ this little boys out there! His Life is very important so anyone that can be needs to be questioned.

from the early show website…
Terri Horman reportedly said she alerted them to the appointment that would happen that following Friday.

McCain said this report is “quite significant” because the day Kyron disappeared was the last day of school.

He explained, “A doctor’s appointment the following Friday would have been pretty irrelevant to the school but the critical thing about this June 4th doctor’s appointment is that that put the school in a position of not being concerned at all, that Kyron was not in his class, wasn’t at lunch or the bus that afternoon. So, it looks like at least at this point Terri was able to bring Kyron to school, establish his presence there, and then perhaps take him away, at least that’s the theory they’re working on, without the school picking up the phone and call Kaine (Kyron’s father) at work, for example.”

Val

someone pointed to me that pea was in Mass. a post mixed me up re island so Im not sure of the location.

Wow! I was wondering the same exact thing about Dede S. after reading about her unaccounted time that she was gone from her job coinciding with the time that Teri was “working out”, especially given the fact that they are both red heads. But also, I wonder if it could be possible that she was the one driving around in Teri’s truck (since she already was dirty from the gardening) while Teri was gardening. It’s WAY TOO COINCIDENTAL to not be connected.

I just hope that “if” (I only say “if” in an attempt to not judge, even though I feel strongly like a great majority that Teri Horman is guilty of something), Teri and/or this other woman was involved in Kyron’s disappearance, I truly hope that it was due to a custody battle that she may have anticipated in her divorce from Kaine. I am hoping (for the child’s sake) that maybe Teri worried about losing Kyron because she is not his biological mother, and maybe she is hiding him through some underground connections or something. Because believing otherwise would likely mean a very bad outcome for Kyron’s family. I don’t want to believe someone could be so cold and callous, especially to a beautiful innocent child.

Promo for tonight’s DATELINE on Kyron’s case by reporter Kate Snow, including a video clip of the show.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/kate-snow-anchoring-first_n_657534.html

» Maryland Girl said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 08:07:44 }
And another thing that causes me to scratch my head is if Terri actually did something to the child, why even bother to take the child to school at all?
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I didn’t see anyone reply to this so I thought I’d throw out my 2 cents. I think she did that just so Kyron would become missing on someone else’s watch instead of hers.

Val Hal Pea was in Or during that time. she Visited Rosemont. I believe it is VERY Important to pass this info

Mimi, you may be right in thinking that Dede was an emergency person that Teri called. I could see that. My only doubt is that she was coincidentally in the area. How could Teri control the location of another red-haired woman, who was also a good friend of hers, in such close proximity at the very time that Teri would need her?

From http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/26/earlyshow/main6713605.shtml

“McCain said this report is “quite significant” because the day Kyron disappeared was the last day of school. “

I keep seeing it reported that June 4th was the last day of school before summer break, but I have been following this case since day one, and I could’ve sworn they were still in school for another 2 wks. I remember wondering if they have year round school, as my kids were already out for the summer by then. Can anyone clear this up for me?

Valhall,

regarding the gym timeframe…do you or anyone know if the parking lot has a security camera that would show footage? Since we are exploring possibilities, it’s entirely logical to think that Ms. Specher went to meet Ms. Horman at approx. 11:40 a.m. on june 4th. It’s been reported that they both frequent the gym. Regardless of whether one or both of them worked out; items could have been exchanged in the lot. It is also entirely possible that if one person was working out, the other could have been using the other person’s vehicle, for whatever reason.

Fox news has an update, but it’s only repeating bits of McCain’s comments.

But the pressure mounts once again, Kaine reportedly wants Terri H. to pay legal fees.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-seeks-to-make-Terri-pay-legal-fees-99243664.html

Val

Nevermind they already have the info TY

IF June 4th was the last day of school, and presumably Portland resident and recently retired sheriff of the county where Kyron went missing should be right, unless he’s had a mind blip, taking Kyron out of school for a non-emergency dr.’s appointment on the very last day, last day for kids to be with all their classmates on what would be an exciting day for them before school’s out, makes no sense. Make the appointment for the next week instead when there’s no school.

If the last day (and not the ‘last Friday’ this would be the last opportunity before next school year, for a plan that would involve the school as the disappearance point with witnesses and photo op.

Correction.. the last day of school at Skyline was June 15th (Not June 8th)

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/203.htm

McCain interview video explains why no arrest to this point. Story (and video?) dated today, less than 1 hr ago)

http://www.kgw.com/home/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

(oh oh, smilies appearing out of nowhere again!)

According to Skyline’s website, the last day of school for students was Monday, June 15. The talent show that Kyron missed on June 4 was scheduled for 4:00pm.

Tina,

I don’t think you need to keep saying it to me. I’m not the investigation team. If you feel there is something that LE needs to know about – CONTACT THEM. Personally, I don’t see what is upsetting you so bad, but I don’t need to. If you feel concerned contact MCSO.

The last day of school at Skyline was June 15th.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/

School was in session on June 11th. We wouldn’t have been talking about the Friday/Friday 4th/11th issue for the past month and a half if they hadn’t been in school on the 11th.

ETA, the school’s website’s main page lists the talent show as beginning at 4pm, but when you click on the talent show link on same page, it indicates the talent show was from 1 to 2 pm, as we previously believed. Sorry for the confusion.

DD testifying today at grand jury. News conference scheduled for tomorrow.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004.html

DeDe and her attorney outside courthouse today.

Wishing & hoping & praying DeDe told all she knows.

TH paid her attory $350K. They must be expecting an arrest.

DD testified “for less than an hour”.

Someone commented on KGW, that DeDe looked so smug.
I would agree, and the look made me feel she probably wasn’t
all that open and honest.

Statement Analysis
Monday, July 26, 2010
BREAKING: Grand Jury: Terri Horman To Be Arrested?
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/07/kyron-goes-to-grand-jury.html

FRG, yes there were hints of ‘GJ’ on today’s tv news. HLN has interviewed retired sheriff McCain today, maybe that’s the report that hinted at GJ or may have been on one of the Seattle news stations, KING or KOMO.

And more on the shopping of photos by Terri Horman, did her resources to pay her high profile criminal attorney come from sales of photos that might include Kaine’s son, Kyron?

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100726/UPDATE/100726037/-1/update

reports at 1:22 pm (less than 1 hr ago),

“PORTLAND — …

Kaine Horman also says in legal papers filed Monday that the stepmother, Terri Horman, paid $350,000 for an attorney she has hired. Kaine Horman is arguing he is entitled to half of whatever money Terri Horman has.”

Maura, this might be how they are dealing with the money from photo licencing, if the $350,000.00 came from the sale of family photos.

Kleat said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 04:07:54 }

Funny how people can make money off of their relatives photos. G&C did it and we will get to know soon that this crazy Terri did it too. There should be a law against it. It’s so disgusting in my opinion.

The affidavit filed by Kaine today:

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/0375_001.pdf

FRG, yeah, but in this case, the child victim has an advocate in his family, whereas Caylee was used with the full blessing of her own parent and her grandparents/primary caregivers.

Best thing for TH is to tell the truth about where Kyron is and plead insanity.

Val

I deeply appologize. I did this out of deep concern and knew you had a possible connection. I did talk to someone and they are investigating it since last week,was what I was told. This friend of dede was in Or at the time ~ they were speaking code terms. anyhow very sorry. I will not ever do it again. no hard feelings.

I was thinking if it was my kid I would want to know the possibilty/the clock is ticking.

No worries at all, Tina. I just wanted to point out that I don’t have any kind of official connection so it was best you get it submitted. All is good!

Just a reminder that Dateline NBC will be devoting their show to the Kyron Hormon search tonight.

This is great- it keeps his sweet face out there, and puts more pressure on TH. Nothing like a giant spotlight.

I won’t be able to watch it, so I hope that any new information might be posted here after.

According to Dateline reporter Kate Snow, they were allowed entrance into his classroom and school.

A snippet from her blog:

“Kyron’s elementary school was gracious enough to allow us inside to see his classroom. It is a beautiful old school, a throwback to a simpler time. There are little gardens planted by the children outside. The other day a few mothers were outside clearing away the weeds as summer vacation rolls on.

Kyron’s entire graduating class is just 26 kids. It’s the kind of rural community where everyone knows everyone.

I was struck by what a pretty area it is. There are rolling hills and old red barns next to vineyards and big swaths of tall pines.

Kyron’s parents are convinced that someone in that community knows where Kyron is. They want us to air an hour on “Dateline” because they hope it might help jar a memory, or convince someone to speak up. They’re convinced that Kyron is still alive. And with all my heart, I hope they’re right.”

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/07/22/4733773-covering-the-kyron-horman-case

Perhaps they were given permission to also film/show the school/classroom. I’m sure they plan to show the surrounding area.

I don’t understand how there can be a grand jury indictment with no Kyron.

Donna,

There doesn’t have to be a body to prove a crime has been committed.

DD’s attorney said …” would be surprised if Terri not arrested ”

http://www.kgw.com/

» Judy O said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 12:07:42 }

Mimi, you may be right in thinking that Dede was an emergency person that Teri called. I could see that. My only doubt is that she was coincidentally in the area. How could Teri control the location of another red-haired woman, who was also a good friend of hers, in such close proximity at the very time that Teri would need her?
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Well, if the guess is correct that DD really was called due to an “emergency” it wouldn’t require that Terri would have controlled DD’s location. It would simply be necessary that Terri know ahead of time that DD was going to be working in her area. (Think this way….if nothing had ever happened to Kyron that day, then DD STILL may have been working in that area and Terri STILL might have known she was going to be working in the area that day and it could have been, under NORMAL circumstances, that Terri might have called DD and said,
“Hey! I need some company…Come on over during your break and we’ll have lunch at my house, ok?”
Because they are friends and they share information she might already know DD was going to be close by…that’s all…no sinister plan there.)
But, armed with the same information and seeing as how it’s possible Terri wanted to eliminate her step-son that day….well, forget lunch and go with,
“Dee Dee! Help…Kyron’s had an accident!” or, “Hey, Kaines truck is stuck in the sand…can you take a little time and give me a hand?” or, whatever…
(I just like to guess at how things might have happened seeing as how we have so little info. to work with…so curious to know if 2 women, in same area, go AOL for about the same amount of time and AT about the same time…you know…is it connected. If so, WHY?)

Kaine did start an affair with Terri while Desiree was pregnant with Kyron – per Dateline interview.

Kaine says he & Des were already split up, living separate lives under the same roof when he began the affair with Terri.

Yeah, they all say that…

Question-Do we know what kind of vehicle this DeDe person drives?

Light blue SUV.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/DeDesfathercameoutofthecondo.jpg

Hi FRG,

Yes. This type of activity should absolutely be illegal – ESPECIALLY involving children. I currently live in Oregon (unfortunately) and I remember being forced to take a bus as a result of being unlawfully terminated from my job by an elected official (another story). I ultimately lost everything — despite my favorable state determination. Can you say corruption? I can.

Nevertheless, my daughter at the time was 4 and as we were getting off the bus in allegedly the most educated city in the US, a strange man caught my attention as we were getting off the bus and showed me a picture of my daughter on his cell phone and told me, “She is a celbrity now.”

I was so incredibly in shock and wanted to grab his phone out of his hands. Knowing how hideous this state can be (sorry natives), I supressed my mother bear demeanor, gave the bus driver a look that could kill, and went home immediately and called the police. What could they do? NOTHING. PERFECTLY LEGAL. I phoned the transit discrict (what a waste of time). I then phoned the victims assistance office with the local DA. Any good news? Uh…NO. I am getting so angry all over again.

My experiences in this po dunk state are enough to send anyone over the edge. I could cry. Crying.

» FRG said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 04:07:39 }
Kleat said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 04:07:54 }

Funny how people can make money off of their relatives photos. G&C did it and we will get to know soon that this crazy Terri did it too. There should be a law against it. It’s so disgusting in my opinion.

» PotatoHead said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 10:07:14 }

Thanks, I wondered if she was a truck owner. but I can’t see her SUV getting mixed up with Terri and Kaines. I guess I was thinking that since DeDe’s physical description would be similar to Terri’s maybe they tried the old bait and switch routine. I sure wish Kyron would be found and found alive and well. I am ready for this mystery to be solved.

Np, Deeannek.

I’ve been wondering if DeDe had any landscaping associates with a white tuck, but that seems like such a long shot, so I’ve shifted that into the ‘not likely’ pile.

I’m trying to believe that Dede might know more, even if she doesn’t know that she does, but isn’t directly involved. I can’t figure out how Terri could have convinced her to be directly complicit, so I am working with the theory that she isn’t – for now. I do hope she will tell all she knows and cooperate fully.

It’s going on so long, and all it would take is just one small piece of info – just one significant fact about Terri’s whereabouts could solve this.

PH – thanks & you were right re GJ. I have an at large question – why was it so obscure that a GJ had been convened for Kyron? Or was the GJ obscure and I missed it? That is the part I don’t get. I need education.

Dede knew she was going to be in the area on that day for a couple of weeks before June 4th. She could have shared it with Terri.
But, I will fee like I’ve lost my understanding of humanity if Dede is somehow implicated in this. She just doesn’t seem like the kind of person who would do this.

I have been camping all week so until today I hadn’t heard anything on this case since last Tuesday. did everyone know about the Grand Jury or was that hush-hush?I have to think that convening the GJ is a good sign-if they were convened for Kyron but I suppose they could have met for the murder for hire thing too. I love vacation but I hate missing the news on these cases I follow. ( we kind of have a rule against electronics while camping-except for cellphones) Anyway if this has already been discussed I apologize. I will eventually catch up. One other thing that has kind of caught my attention is (and it is probably just co inky dink) but isn’t it odd that Terri’s friend DeDe is a gardner and her murder for hire guy a landscaper. These occupations are pretty closely related-I imagine they might use some of the same equipment on both jobs-shovels etc… maybe even some specialty tools that Terri might be able to gain access to thru her friends. Again I am just thinking out loud…trying to make sense of something in this case. The only thing I am sure of is that Terri Horman is seriously crazy but not in the, not- guilty -by- reason -of -insanity- way.

I’m not convinced that the grand Jury hasn’t already heard previous testimony from others. Pure, total speculation on my part, but these things are making me wonder:

- Kaine, Desiree & Tony released a statement around the 16/17th that they’d have to cancel press conferences for a few weeks due to ‘busy weeks ahead with investigations’
- Early/mid-week, reports came out that Kaine had spent 3 hours in mtgs with ‘investigators’ (could just as easily have been a session with the GJ?)
- News about Dede and the other searches/interviews leaked mid-week, and Dede appeared today by subpoena?
- Also, in a huge change of behavior, MCSO last week requested questions from the media, and scheduled the July 27th (tomorrow’s) press conference almost a week in advance. Were they feeling out the media to help figure out what questions the GJ would ask the investigators for clarification? (Not that I think they’d need to, but it was a unique request thus far in this investigation.)

To me, all of those things point to the GJ having been convened for at least a week, if not longer. As well, I am sure there must be rules for the required time to subpoena a GJ witness? I would guess that Dede received it some time last week, at the latest. I’d also surmise it in unlikely that Dede S was the first GJ witness.

All of the above is pure theory on my part, but it does make me think that there have already been Grand Jury activities in regards to this case.

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Gloria said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 12:07:18 }
Dede knew she was going to be in the area on that day for a couple of weeks before June 4th. She could have shared it with Terri.

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I missed that Gloria. I wasn’t aware that Dede knew in advance that she would be in the area. Would you please point me to where I can read about that? I try to read many articles, but I guess I missed that detail.

TYIA!

Dateline could have easily lasted 2 hours. They hit the major headlines of the story and barely wrapped it up in an hour. I cannot even imagine going through what his parents are going through. How heart wrenching. I live about 2 hours away on the Oregon coast, there’s a lot of tourists, travelers, etc all summer. I find myself eyeing the kids around that age, looking for little Kyron. Can’t lose hope.

Hi All,

Regretfully, I was unable to watch Dateline. Can someone please tell me the most compelling thing(s) discussed?

I am sure I will read about them soon enough, but wanted to say that as much as I wanted to watch, I was unable.

Thanks.

» Just Me said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 01:07:16 }

Most was just a rehash of known details. The only factual details I took away were:

* Desiree stated that Kaine did indeed start an affair with Terri while she was pregnant with Kyron. she went on to say that she’d stayed in bed for months, crying because she couldn’t comprehend how/why someone could be more important that she & her baby (Kyron)
* Reporters went on to state that Kaine disputed this and said, “We were already split up; leading separate lives while living under the same roof.”

Excerpts from the interview here:

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/07/26/4754609-monday-inside-kyrons-family-circle

The transcript should be up soon.

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What I took from the interview was that Desiree & Tony have their own suspicions that Kaine was not initially on-board with. I do believe that Desiree & Kaine are talking and working well together. They do seem to be in sync when it comes to finding Kyron.

They do not seem to be in agreement as to when & how suspicion about Terri began and what it means. I think Desiree & Tony are functioning as a co-joined unit. On the other hand, I think Desiree & Kaine are working their behinds off to meet-in-the-middle, as best they can.

The pressures on these people is unfathomable.

GJ’s are convened in secrecy. That a GJ has been convened is not a public announcement. Everything done/heard by a GJ is done so in secrecy. Typically the prosecutor will make an appt with the GJ to present evidence/testimony on a specific case and the GJ will be convened for a day or two (however long it takes) to hear that evidence and return a true bill (indictment) or no true bill (no charges). A case can go repeatedly before a GJ. So if the prosecutor presents evidence they have right now to a GJ and the GJ comes back and returns no true bill (they don’t think there is enough probably cause) the prosecutor can continue to work the case until he feels he has sufficient evidence and schedule time before the GJ to present the case again. In other words, there is no double jeopardy concerning re-presenting a case before a GJ.

» Potatohead said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 03:07:00 }
I saw that last night. I was not up to speed, like the rest of you, so I learned more.

“* Desiree stated that Kaine did indeed start an affair with Terri while she was pregnant with Kyron. she went on to say that she’d stayed in bed for months, crying because she couldn’t comprehend how/why someone could be more important that she & her baby (Kyron)”

She also stated that she wasn’t friends with Terri prior, as has been widely reported.

I can’t see Terri intentionally involving DeDe in an “accident” scenario unless the plan was also to ultimately tell somebody else about the “accident.”
“DeDe, come quick! Kyron fell/got hurt/whatever! I need help!”
To bring in somebody else, to involve another person, no matter how well you think you know that person, to a plan involving harming a seven-year-old child, means that you are trusting that person not to behave out of character. You are trusting that that person will do as you expect and not be unpredictable.
DeDe could have freaked out, called police, called Kaine, whatever, if she truly believed Kyron had an accident and was injured/dead. Even if Terri convinced her not to talk initially, Terri would have no control over whether DeDe would ultimately break her silence, or to whom she would talk, or what she would say.

Since we have no indication that Terri intended for anybody to know Kyron was with her, it seems unlikely that she would want to involve anybody else in her plans.

If, on the other hand, Kyron hadn’t disappeared from school, and if Terri’s story didn’t seem to be indicative of an intentional plan to throw people off her scent, then I might buy the accident idea.
But, IMO, Terri Horman intentionally did something with Kyron. And, if DeDe turns out to be involved, she became involved because she wanted to, not because she was told a story and went along with it without knowing better.

Press conference sometime today.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/27/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?hpt=T2

@ Boz @

I red somewhere about the presser at 2 pm
V

Newsconference is at 2 PM local Portland time (5 pm EST).

Here’s one link for live streaming:

http://www.king5.com/news/Attorney-would-be-surprised-if-step-mom-not-arrested-in-Kyron-case-99319934.html

“A news conference is scheduled for 2 p.m. Tuesday, …. Watch the press conference live on NorthWest Cable News or click back here for live streaming video.”

Another link is from Portland.

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream

or find the ‘watch here’ link on the story:
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

Looks like DeDe might have given post-GJ comments to Fox instead of continuing to walk as shown on other reports and appears to be standing still in front of the courthouse with her lawyer behind her, news reporters in front. The news report cuts off abruptly. http://www.kptv.com/news/24397450/detail.html

It seems to me from what I have read – if TH is arrested soon, it may well be in connection with the murder for hire situation, not about Kyron. Another way to isolate her. IMO.

I still go back to thinking something happened at the school to highly anger TH.. Did he spill something or maybe had an accident (peed his pants) or broke something and she brought him out to the truck and went nuts?? I think she got physical with him or maybe pushed him into the truck and he struck his head or something.. and then the cover up began. I do think she called DD to come help her and she was freaking out. JMO

I think Terri is only out for Terri and could care less about anyone else.. You don’t go from a tight arse body to how she looks now with out having some serious mental issues impacting a person. I mean she was not just a “in shape” person that lost her body from being preggo. She went from INTENSE workouts and disipline to a frump. She puts on a show, or has in the past but the true TH is what I think Kaine has been seeing for some time.. I think she is capable of just about anything (MFH). I think she resented Kyron and he could easily bring on high levels of anger from TH. I think that is why he was showing more and more hesitation to DY about going home…

I keep thinking what motive could be for any disappearance of Kyron by Terri. Then I think back to another Oregon mom, Diane Downs, who shot her 3 children in the back seat of her car claiming it was someone else who had done it. She did this because the man she cared about at the time did not want to date someone with children.
There’s no way to figure out a twisted mind.

Marci: I don’t think this was an act of impulsive anger. Built up anger, maybe. Every step of that day (driving the truck instead of the car, MD appoint confusion, contacting the school about picking up the project, etc) IMO points to pre-meditation.

» Kathy said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 01:07:49 }

I totalyy agree with you. She was planning this and I think it is more likely revenge ( A dish best served cold as they say) I am begininng to think that Kyron’s disappearance has very little if anything to do with Kyron-She did whatever she did to get Kaine and possibly Desiree.

I just want to drop a line about my impression of DD outside court house yesterday..she tried to keep her cool , obviously , but I think the pure arrogance is whats really annoying about her. She was ticked off for a sec when her lawyer started to answer questions… Whether she is involved or not , is a whole different game, but her little smirk and disrespect for Ky’s situation is despicable

Ah, and , Val …now as I seen her closer ,I want to take 100 % my ” runner “comment back ..I dont event know why ppl would still use the word gym for those two

Another 1.2 hr till the presser, later
Vidda

Anyone know if the the presser will be on HLN?

What time is the press coverage? I don’t want to miss it.

Don’t know about HLN, but KWG is airing it live:

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream

Both Kaine & Desiree still firmly believe that Kyron is ‘stashed’ somewhere:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20405659,00.html

“They also suspect Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, planned his abduction and knows where Kyron is.

Young says Terri has “the big answer.”

“I think it’s premeditated,” adds Kaine. “We have no information that would lead us to believe that, but I think based on what Desiree and I know about [Terri], I think it’s a plan. And I think she’s still executing a plan.”

———————————————————-

Hopefully, after today’s press conference, we might have some further indication if MCSO thinks the same thing, but I am not expecting much by way of new facts today.

in 9 minutes Sunny. 2:00 PST

I was surprised at how poorly Dede handled leaving the grand jury yesterday. Her facial expressions makes me wonder if we were all duped, and how she is involved.
Ugh…horrible.

press conference just happened. Upped the reward to 50 K per anonymous donor. That’s the most that happened

This seems to be a crime that is pre-meditated but it also very sloppy. For someone who reads crime novels and watches CSI it is surprising how sloppy. [ She didn't know that they'd ping her cell phone, give her a lie detector test and examine her text messages??? ]

To me that implies it was planned in haste. One reason could be fear. Kyron was going off with his step-dad and there were already “red flags”. Did she fear another “red flag”? Was it a part of a plot to kill her husband and she saw the science fair as a window of opportunity before summer vacation? Was she being pressured by a lover?

I had hoped the press conference was going to give us some answers. Apparently not.

Well dang! I never did find the live feed!!!!
Grrrr…

By the time I got my sound back , the pressconference was over…. Just checked the KGW page -doesnt seem to have missed much…the award has been doubled up to 50 000, they are still searching …
The misery of these poor parents Desiree and Kaine is so obvious. Hope thay are correct about somebody holding the cute little Ky…when will something finally hapen

I think they believe Kyron’s really out there. If so, did Terri sell him? There’s no way she gave him away because she feared for his safety.

I’m also not impressed with De De. She can’t stop and say to cameras she cooperating in every way to that little boy back?

…unfortunately they weren’t taking any questions at the pc, and gave no new info in their prepared stmts. aside from the reward being doubled.

…COMom has a great post on the ‘kyron factor’ page, an interview she transcribed earlier today from fox news.

Did Terri convince De De to help hide Kyron for his sake? If so De De by now knows that was a ruse.

New Info: Just heard on Mike Galanos on HLN that the only real “news” is that the reward money, which is $25,000 has been raised to $50,000…….not alot more was said, and apparently people were disappointed. I sure am!

KUDOS to CO Mom , she posted a transript from Mccain…Very interesting, I wasnt able to see the actual TV intervew ..
Thx E-Jay for telling us where to see it !

If we are all frustrated ,imagine how everything is in the middle of the actions there with GJ, DA , LE …I was so ready for an arrest news…oh, well

I can’t help but find it odd that the MCSO planned a press conference a week ago just to say the reward increased. Maybe it was to make TH stress some more?

I don’t know much about how reward offerings go but it seems to me they could have announced that a week ago.

It just seems to have been played up a lot, imo. I just felt a bit confused when the press conference was over- like they had thought things would be different at the time of the press conference today. Also, I know it was stated as fact in a least one news source in Portland about 3 days ago that the press would be allowed to answer questions but the MCSO only read from a prepared statement. Maybe the press hyped it up more than it was intended to be.

Then again, maybe I was hoping for more. Maybe MCSO only planned to announce the reward all along and I am reading too much into what happened. By golly! I was speeding to make it home in time for the press conference!

I wonder if they *had* planned to announce something more substantial but in the course of the GJ hearings, some evidence didn’t hold up as well as they thought it would and maybe it’s back to the drawing boards. Or… they’re very, very close and just can’t afford to answer any questions right now, lest they tip their investigative hand, even in the slightest of ways.

OhSuzannah said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 05:07:38 } By golly! I was speeding to make it home in time for the press conference!

I know!! i’m in england & i’ve had to wait till nearly midnight – how very frustrating for all concerned! Desiree & Kaine must be so frustrated.

» CO Mom said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 03:07:00 }
Following is transcription of interview by CO Mom:

Some interesting information from Capt Bruce McCain, Multnomah County Sheriff (ret)
in his interview on FoxNews’ Happening Now this morning:

Interviewer: We want to start off with this friend, DeDe Spicher, she’s the one who
went before the Grand Jury, why are police focusing on her now? What does the Grand
Jury hope to find from her?

McCain: Well Jenna, this has all developed since you and I talked about this issue
yesterday. DeDe Spicher did appear pursuant to a subpeona to Multnomah County Grand
Jury, but according to her lawyer she did not answer any questions. And I think the
significance there is that, as we’ve talked about before, some of her own conduct,
both on the day Kyron disappeared on June 4th, as well as some of her activities in
relation to Terri since then, have raised some questions by Kaine Horman and the
Youngs. So she was subpeonaed, but more than likely what happened is that she
probably invoked her 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination and she’s
probably going to be working out some type of an immunity deal with prosecutors in
exchange for compelled Grand Jury testimony at a later date.

………i was hoping to hear more along these lines at the PC this afternoon.
…there were other articles that stated she was before the GJ “for almost an hour” —–that’s a whole lot of questions if your #1 answer continues to be “i take the 5th.”

…friendship is one thing, but once it involves jail time, it’s every man (or red head) for themselves.

I think a lot has been said. The parents are saying a lot. Notice that they speak in front of the LEO’s. If what they said wasn’t the truth, it wouldn’t be said as such.
Also, notice that Dede’s attorney said she was corporating with LEO. When did we start believing anything that is said by a defense ChitSlinger??
It’s been my experience when one speaks, let in go in one ear and out the other.
So when Kaine, Desiree and Tony speak, it is the truth. And they said that Dede was not telling everything she knows to the LEO in regard to Terri and Kyron.
I think the time frame in the one and half hour of driving the baby around on back roads is the key. to solving the case and finding out where Kyron is. Personally, I think Terri acted in this alone and Dede might have been the one to help get rid of evidence pertaining to the crime. I know that there has to be someone who seen her during this time and are not sure of the information they have. Maybe the reward money will bring someone forward with some type of information. I feel like he is somewhere in area where she was during the hour and half. I hope that everyone who lives on those back roads search their property well. It will be somewhere least expected and a hunter or a nature lover walking in the woods will find him. And I am sure that a lot of people who live in that area are keeping their eyes open on their summer drives.
This case has touched my heart to the core and I feel so deeply for this family and little Kyron. Just looking at his pictures and seeing the trust and love on his face is heartbreaking.
Since this was more than likely planned by Terri, I am sure she had everything in place before the event took place. Even to having the pick up washed and cleaned.
I wonder if the car wash places have been checked out?? And was a burn barrel allowed in that area?? She could of burned clothing she wore as well as shoes.
Not wanting to take a chance on washing them. Did she borrow DeDe’s shovel or other tools?? Dang it is hard to think like a criminal. LOL
Hopefully, it is all the little things that foil a planned murder.

As much as I would like to believe that this poor child didn’t meet with foul play at TH’s hands, I continue to believe that this is what most likely what occurred (although I can certainly understand why the parents, absent proof to the contrary, would cling to any shred of hope that Kyron is still alive–what parent wouldn’t do the same?).

As far as disposing of evidence goes, TH would not necessarily have to had dug a shallow grave in the woods or dumped a body into water or a ravine. If she premeditated murder (and her actions do point to premeditation, IMO), she might well have advance scouted out a conveniently unmonitored dumpster. No doubt, LE checked out this possibility to some extent but there must be a large number of dumpsters within a sweeping driving radius of where TH claimed to be on the day of the disappearance. To check them all–and the destinations to which their contents were carted–in a timely manner might have been an impossible task, especially when the early theory was that Kyron might have wandered off on his own nearby.

I hate to imagine that this is what TH did but, as horrible a possibility as it is, it would explain the lack of a body to date.

I am outraged that DeDe refused to help find this poor little helpless boy. She smirks and has her stupid 15 min. I pray if she is actually telling other not to speak. She deserves jail as well. And why did she lawyer up? Innocent people don’t lawyer up. UGH!

I keep coming back to why Terri would do any of this. I believe she is responsible for whatever has happened to Kyron. But why? KH seemed to be surprised that she would want him dead 7 mos ago. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary for him. (I’m paraphrasing from last night’s Dateline). I find that weird also.
I don’t believe it was anything Kyron did that provoked this. It was in the planning stages too long to be done in a sudden rage.
This case along with Dede is too strange. Why would anyone protect such a crime? why not come forward on your own and not wait until your house is searched?
Are they still searching the wooded roads where Terri was supposed to have been seen in the white pickup?
I guess I’m still holding out hope that somewhere is Kyron and someone will see this reward.

Hi All,

I found reference to this article on BlinkOnCrime by a poster known as “Restro.” I don’t recall ever reading or hearing such an absolute relative to Kyron being alive:

“Former Police Captain Bruce McCain said, “‘That’s not really, really good news we were really hoping for. We have evidence he is alive.’”

How about everyone else? This is big and this was not stated in the press conference or at any time that I am aware of. I could be wrong, but I think that there have been statements like — “We have reason to believe Kyron is alive….” But that is different than “We have evidence he IS alive.” Wow. Desiree’s sentiments to her son are certainly in line with this statement, however — but most seem to think it is wishful thinking that any parent would do until they found out otherwise. Oh, where are you Kyron?!!

What do you all think?!!?

Very sorry. Forgot to include the link for the quote.

http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0710/758917.html

Now the press conference makes sense. I believe it was said that criminal activity has occurred in that Kyron has been kept from his parents for 50-some days — insinuating (or fact?) that he is alive.

Maybe Terri is in on a ransom – 50/50.

Just Me, I read the article, it says that they have evidence he is alive. What? What evidence?

Sami,

Maybe LE or a family member received a photo of Kyron — with a date and time indication on it? Or that Kyron may have been holding some recent news article in the photo? That would be my guess.

Former Police Captain Bruce McCain said, “‘That’s not really, really good news we were really hoping for. We have evidence he is alive.’”

Sounds like a typo. If they have evidence that he is alive, that would be really, really good news. Unless there is evidence to show a deceased person, the only thing would be to assume the person is alive and missing.
No blood, No DNA , no body or any other information has been found. So it is assumed that he is still alive.
Which we are all praying and hopes for.

You, guys, need to listen the 25 min intervew, from earlier today Desiree and Kaine

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html
v

CLMinor,

Assumption is different than evidence. And in the Press Conference, it was stated that criminal activity has occured because Kaine and Desiree have been kept from his parents for 50-some-odd-days or vice versa — and not for reasons of murder. That is how that reads to me — although I could clearly be wrong. Just my interpretation now that I read the other statement.

Correction — because Kaine and Desiree have been kept from Kyron.

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops

http://www.kgw.com/news/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html
(snipped.)

“Reliable sources told KGW that Spicher was doing gardening work not far from the Horman family home in Northwest Portland on the day Terri’s step-son, 7-year-old Kyron Horman, disappeared from Skyline Elementary. Spicher reportedly left where she was working at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.

However Spicher’s attorney Chad Stavley said DeDe was gardening on the day Kyron disappeared and never left home.”

“The person who owns the house where Spicher lives, who was cooperating with investigators, told police that she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn’t answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher.”

…..so, the gardening job that dede was working on june 4th——was at her own residence….. that is owned by someone else….therefore the “she never left home” by her attorney.

That statement doesn’t make any sense to me. I hope Kyron is alive but if he is and they have evidence that he is alive then why wasn’t that said during the press conference? That DeDe -uggh…I know witnesses are not supposed to talk about GJ proceedings but she does seem like an arrogant you know what! I bet it is taking all self control for Desiree and Kaine not to slap the heck out of her.

CLMinor –

When McCain said ‘That’s not really, really good news we were really hoping for,” I think he was referring to this:

“Kyron’s father Kaine Horman now wants to know how Terri Horman came up with $350,000 to pay her attorney. He’s seeking half of the money from his estranged wife. This battle happens as police still don’t seem any closer to bringing Kyron home”

That is not good news. She is forking over $350,000 to merely retain her attorney and still not giving it up — whatever that may be.

I really wonder if at any time Terri had suggested giving Kyron back to his bio-mother and Kaine wanting no part of that.. it “could” cause Terri to want to rid herself of Kaine(for a new love interest imagined or otherwise.. or even a BETTER plot for her instead of what a divorce from Kaine would give her??) With Kaine out of the picture, Terri could get the money, the house and clearly have Kyron going back to his biological mom. This way a sick thinking and selfish person such as Terri, could live happily ever after with just her daughter, the new guy.. and “have it all!” I have a tendency to believe that woman never let up on trying to have Kaine killed and was able to find someone to trade Kyron; with the agreement that they would then kill Kaine! Is DeDe a scorned woman that could empathize with Terri enough to help with a plan to get rid of Kaine? I also find it odd that Kaine has gone on record of “not even knowing they had a landscaper”?!! Was this Terri’s way of seeing someone else/setting her plot but an explanation to Kaine in what she would be doing with her time all day?

So many unanswered questions yet, I don’t think the answers to a few of them would harm the investigation… but I also believe they have chose the game Terri & her attorney have been playing for $350K… silence. I just wished they would quit with the “big” build-ups with just more quick & disapointing let downs to the public.. UNLESS that purpose is to get Terri to crack! Btw, DeDe’s arrogance & her “star like” attitudes shown yesterday make me SICK!

I think that Dede’s phone and computer was picked up by LEO and FBI with the search warrant.. So I guess she did share her texts and calls with them, LOL

Stavley is cetainly good chitslinger. Knows just the right thing to say.
Don’t you just love how they word things.
What do you want to bet that she didn’t take a polygraph???
The two other people were questioned for 5 hours and passed a poly.
But she did retain an attorney. And as far I have heard, not even Mike Cook hired an attorney. So what do people who have something to hide, they hire an attorney.

And Ellejay, the chitslinger is talking in circles. LOL The two people who tried to call her has to be telling the truth. Maybe Dede told him she was home all day. LOL

CLminor:

….i didn’t realize that the person she was doing the gardening for on the 4th—–also owns the house that she lives in.

….i don’t find it strange that she got a lawyer—–her dad is in LE,in a high profile case such as this, he most likely advised her to do so.

….(switching to the caylee case—-amy has a lawyer, tony has a lawyer, jesse has a lawyer…etc).

» Just Me said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 09:07:43 }

Now that would make sense. If this was in regards to the $350 thou dollars.
This only proves that she must really have a lot to hide. I would think that she hasn’t told her attorney the whole truth tho. He knows the seriousness of the charges she will be facing if an arrest is made.
I am wondering if her parents had anything to do with the deposit of the $350 thou dollars?? I sure hope they didn’t get a loan on their home and use all of their savings.
For her to borrow that much money on assets she and Kaine had, she would of had to have his signature on the papers too. After all , she has no income as an single person.

ellejay said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 06:07:41

…friendship is one thing, but once it involves jail time, it’s every man (or red head) for themselves.

LOL Ellejay!

» ellejay said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 10:07:43 }

That would explain the question of why the property tax invoices and reciepts were to sent to another place.

LOL and to explain the Anthonys and their chitslingers would be impossible.
I think they all had to get attorneys because the finger of Cindy and Casey were pointed to all of them. No other case in history will ever be equal to that crazy mixed up case and the people involved. And since they were all actually involved in some way, it was necessary. It is like He said, She said. All the lies that were abound.

And Dede’s dad could be the reason she got an attorney. Since we have little information to go on, other than she wasn’t telling LEO all she knew according to Desiree’s statement.

Valhall,

I am very curious what you think about this statement:

“Former Police Captain Bruce McCain said, “‘That’s not really, really good news we were really hoping for. We have evidence he is alive.’”

http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0710/758917.html

Do you think it was a typo or that McCain mispoke?

wondring alot: “With Kaine out of the picture, Terri could get the money, the house and clearly have Kyron going back to his biological mom. This way a sick thinking and selfish person such as Terri, could live happily ever after with just her daughter, the new guy.. and “have it all!”

….except that she would have to share $$$’s with kyron.

…we know she did attempt to ‘take kaine out of the picture’ earlier ( darn unreliable hitman! ) i wonder if she had thoughts of kyron being gone too, that far back?

Listening to Kaine tonight, I thought he is so smart and intelligent and yet so dumb when it comes to figuring women out. The things he didn’t see about Terri and yet Desiree seen them was so clear on the years. I really don’t think Kaine seen the evil side of Terri.
Probably the reason he let her break up his marriage. He just took things with the flow with her and didn’t seem to question them. I really think he is a good father and a good person. And I think the things people see in him as odd, is that he was so trusting of her. Maybe if he hadn’t of been so trusting of her, he might have seen the odd things she was thinking and doing.

Reminds me of my kids dad after our divorce and his marriage to his second wife. The things that woman would do and then lie to him and he would believe her. I seen thru her and wondered why he didn’t see some of the things that were so apparent to others. Since I was an open book, he just thought she was too. It wasn’t until after their divorce, he really opened his eyes and looked at her as a person.
Men that let women like this break up their marriage are really dumb as far as common sense.

Guess thats the reason I see him as a good man but easily taken in by a woman who lies so easily and uses sex as a tool. And I can see Desiree being the good friend to Kyron’s dad. She easily has that quality in her. When she told the story about their break-up, it wasn’t in a hateful way, but in a way to show what kind of person she saw in Terri. And to show her distrust in her as a person.
And I think that her trust in Kaine as a father was completely honest and true. That shows thru when I see them together.

Ellejay, she would have had to share with Kyron, unless he had a will made out to benefit his two children. And left her out of it.
She still would have gotten half of the property. and the other half would have been split between the two kids. I am sure his life insurance would have been a large amount being in management. And if he didn’t have a will, Kyron’s half would have went to this mom. Of course the insurance policy probably has a benificary whom it is made out too. And the house probably had credit life on it as well as the vehicles if financed. I think she was afraid that if she and Kaine divorced, she would be in the market for a job and I don’t think she liked working full time.
And what young person has a will made out?? Not very many. Terri was older than Kaine and maybe she thought since she took him away from his wife that someone would come along and take him from her.
I think you are right, she was doing it for the money and the freedom she would have.
She and Dede may have planned on taking the place and doing their own gardening thing.

I know my hubby’s daughter said after he died, that he wanted to see how much her daddy loved her. I told her not too damn much because he left you out of the will.
Sociopath from the word go. So Sad too, his only kid.

vidda said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 09:07:13 }
You, guys, need to listen the 25 min intervew, from earlier today Desiree and Kaine

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html
v

…..excellent interview vidda–thanks for the link.

…one thing that stood out:

…interviewer: “apparently kiara had some teeth coming in, she was teething or something, and she was driving around and, uh, is that part of what she talked about with you?

…kaine: um, she mentioned it a little bit, i don’t, again with the timeline and what we’re not supposed to talk about. i don’t know that they know the answer to that right now. again, it’s her story, but what is, what’s true?

——-that was the first i heard of teething ( as opposed to an ear ache ) , why wouldn’t kaine, or desiree , not just interupt and say, no, no—not teething—an ear ache.

…either way—–driving around for an hour and 1/2 does not soothe either of those symptoms.
… an earache/infection req’s medicaition–or mulion oil drops—-teething is best handled by baby tylenol and an ice cold ‘mr.freeze’ package to chew on —–ALL of which were probably NOT in the glovebox of the truck.

..(.kaine also mentions that terri went from 185 to 123 , during her 2005 body-building, in 4 months! january-april–yikes.)

Thanks everyone. I’m kind of speed reading for a slow reader on this thread. How did we get to know about the $350,000. retainer to lawyer? Just the kind of thing you’d think we shouldn’t know too much about.

This case is crazy crazy too.

And DeDe’s gardening job on the 4th was for her landlord whose property was subject to a search warrant?

At least I now understand that the whole Grand Jury thing is “silent” …sort of.

Just Me,

I’m not sure what to make of McCain’s statement. As far as we know he is not involved in the investigation in any way, so I’m not sure how he would have evidence of anything, right?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html

Vidda said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 06:07:59 }

I suppose that they believe that they are putting pressure on Terri by releasing these tiny bits, but it is frustrating. Why mention the emails and then not give an example and explain how they were “odd”? All we know is that they were short, and randomly sent through the day, WTH?

Not that it has anything to do with the disappearance, but I don’t necessarily buy the time line from Kaine in terms of when his relationship started with Terri. Desiree had said that it started earlier as well. He may be trying to make himself look like less of a cheating asshat, but what difference does it make in light of the situation now?

Terri hired a landscaper??? For what?!! This is the first time I’ve seen a close up photo of the Horman house… No wonder Kaine didn’t know they even had a landscaper!! What would you need to hire a landscaper (aside from wanting to kill somebody) in the dead of winter here for?

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/28/a-visit-with-terri-moulton-horman-and-whats-changed-at-the-house-this-week/

» Wondringalot said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 06:07:15 }

Not to defend Terri, but I’ve noticed that a good deal of landscaping these days simply involves cutting grass and killing weeds vs caring for actual plants. If the property was large then they may have used the service for mowing only. Sometimes landscaping companies will double as snow plowers in the winter, so that they have work off season.

WSH,
I guess the point was is that Kaine didn’t even know they had a landscaper… so basically it sounds like Terri would just go up to any ol’body and ask them to hit her husband off for her, eh? I mean, from the looks of things… she couldn’t have used him that many times for Kaine not to notice the work or the expense??!

» WondringAlot said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 07:07:22 }

Gotchya.

Every time I click on the link to go their interview that KH and DY did it just brings me to the article but I can’t find anywhere a place to click so I can get the audio going? Can anyone help?

WSH writes: “If the property was large then they may have used the service for mowing only. Sometimes landscaping companies will double as snow plowers in the winter, so that they have work off season.”

It is pretty obvious if the grass is mowed or snow cleaned from the driveway. BTW grass mainly grows in the spring to early or mid summer, not in winter. Driveways and roads stay fairly clear, because people use them. We typically get about a foot of snow here at 500′. Don’t know about a sports car, but the 4×4 truck will easily make its way through. Folks hook snowplows up to their tractors in areas like Mt Hood, here they get lots of snow.

Hi All,

I spent some time looking for information that another personal located and posted on BOC. It was related to an online critique of landscaping / yard-work — however you want to refer to it as. I think it was a landscaping company and perhaps the one connected with the landscaper who came forward with the alleged story. Anyway, apparently both Kaine and Terri had made comments about the work done on their yard. And then they found similar or the same statements, but under other user names. So, maybe this indicates Kaine may have been aware of a landscaper, OR Terri posed as Kaine online.

I really wish I could find this information. Does someone have the name of the business in question handy?

» Neighbor said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 10:07:16 }BTW grass mainly grows in the spring to early or mid summer, not in winter.

Thanks for the tip there. I wouldn’t have known the season when grass grows without you. I guess I’ll have to check back later to see if there are any updates on when leaves fall.

@Just Me,
Another oddity to all the bizarre! Why would Kaine lie when asked about the landscaper??

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html

@WSH -haven’t read the thread or know the nature of your gardening inquiry, but I can tell you (of course being only a resident and not an expert by any means!) that the leaves need to be raked end of October-early November, bulbs planted by Thanksgiving, Roses pruned on President’s day in February, and the grass mowed 1 or more times a week in early May through end of June (If you can actually find a dry day to mow!). All the major planting [flower] happens in mid-May through June -Many in this area let the grass die in early August in order to be cool with the earth’s resources (Mine is on the way to die now), and it never needs to be mowed until the following spring. Of course I am a simple working class home owner, so that’s how it goes in my part of PDX.

Thank you for providing a place where interested and concerned individuals can post and research possible relevant information regarding this case.

Can anyone please clarify some information regarding the cell phone pings and Sauvie Island.

1. Is it a fact that for TH cell phone to initiate pings she had to be on the island or in close proximity ?

2. How accurate is the information ( room for error ) regarding location ?

This seems to be one of the only known FACTS related to this case and therefore holds considerable weight. I am wrong in assuming that this is indeed evidence as to TH known location during the time period in question ?

TIA