Kyron Horman case: Terri neglected the Kyron factor

Thanks for this article Val. I just learned of Kyron’s statement to his friend Kurtis this morning. I believe Kurtis. I’ll also bet that Kurtis said this before there was all the talk about the doctor’s appointment. I think we will find that Terri indeed make an appointment for the following Friday. Only way she could cover herself. It all looks very planned out and premeditated to me.

Myself, with what I’ve seen thus far, I am not able to give her the benefit of the doubt. I think she is responsible. I think she is totally twisted. My hope is that LE will find the proof that they need to charge her soon.

Still hoping that Kyron will be brought home safely. Can’t give up hope.

Good point , Vall
Our little guy could be a big factor in this …
Have you seen this article already – the Sheriff says no need for more money …would that be because the investigation is about done or just dont want any more money , just Kyron tal

http://www.kgw.com/news/Agencies-request-438643-to-staff-Kyron-Horman-case-missing-portland-98787209.html

Kids are so predictable. They speak the unvarnished true without embellishment. I do believe Kyron’s friend and I do believe that TH had a hand in Kyron’s disappearance. But what troubles me is motive. Why would she do this ? Perhaps to get rid of a little boy that she did not like ? To dispose of a husband that had become wearisome by pinning it on him ? To get out of the marriage ? I just can’t see the motive … hence I can’t connect the dots. Just ruminating!

They are going to check in on that dr. apt. And I wonder if she made it before the 4th or after? I have a feeling LE has the answer.

I can’t add a thing to this excellent piece, Val. I concur with every aspect & thought.

The appointment will be her undoing, and a piece of evidence that points towards premeditation.

Vidda,

Thanks for the link to today’s KATU article. VERY interesting — especially the fact that the DA did submit a request for funding. Hmmmm.

I understand this article so well because this same thing has happened many times to me…I help my mother get to all doctor appointments and we have been confused so many times that now I ask her:
“Yes, your appointment is on Tuesday…but are you saying this coming Tuesday or the following Tuesday?”
This confusion only happens when the named day of the appointment is close to the day of the week we are already IN. In other words she’ll tell me on Monday or Tuesday about a Wedsday appointment…or tell me Wednesday or Thursday about a Friday appointment. If I don’t verify as above I might find myself at her house to pick her up and she will say,
“Oh, no, I meant NEXT Wednesday.” (So, now I always verify VERY CAREFULLY as this confusion has happened in reverse as well, with her calling me in a tizzy and asking me where I am…that her appointment is NOW; this Wednesday and NOT next Wednesday.)
I agree with Mosby that we will find out eventually that Kyron did have an appointment on the FOLLOWING Friday… (just like my mother always does!)
In Terri’s case, Kyron had better have an appointment SOME Friday but it does point her towards the area of premeditation if the teacher and student are believed over her.
Also, I think the e-mail to asking the teacher about when to pick up the project was just Terri “testing the waters”
(Paranoia on Terry’s part…is the teacher questioning in her mind about Kyron? Is the teacher wondering why I haven’t brought Kyron back after a doctor’s appointment?)
Terri waiting for a response e-mail such as,
“You can pick up the project this afternoon or Monday morning, etc. Oh, BTW…is Kryon going to be back today at all? Will he be able to be in the talent show?”
Terry was just stewing IMO because a doctor’s appointment does not usually mean missing the whole day of school.

Wondering: (1) WHEN exactly the appointment was made?
(2) WHAT was the appointment for?

YES Marica i agree WHEN and WHY will be most telling! especially considering at the age of seven you have about 1 well child visit a year which are always planned months in advance if not the full year.

Rest assured the LE has contacted the doctor’s office in question – that would be easy for them to do. Apparently, Kaine didn’t seem aware there was a doctor’s appt either. There was no doctor’s appt. And somewhere between 8:45 and 1:30 when she emailed the school to ask when she should pickup the science display, the deed had already been done.

I still want to know if Terri packed Kyron a lunch in his back pack. Now more than ever, in fact. If she didn’t, then she knew darn well he wouldn’t be there for lunch.

Would she explain that away with some reference to the Dr’s appointment, too? “Oh, I was so forgetful and thought his appointment was today. I wasn’t thinking in the rush to get to the science fair.”

I want to know that appointment answers – and the usual lunch routine, especially since Kurtis ate lunch with Kyron daily. Was there a lunch packed for June 4th?

PH: “Was there a lunch packed for June 4th?”

…i’m sure LE knows, as well as whether there was a bag packed and ready to go for the weekend at desiree’s, they’re just not sharing that info with us.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/22/county-board-approves-additional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

(snipped from article.)

County Board Approves Additional Funds for Kyron Horman Investigation

Outside the county board room, Staton told reporters that Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, has cooperated and agreed to all requests so far from investigators. He declined to name any person of interest in the case, but he said an upcoming press release will answer many of the public’s questions about the case.

Or she could have been e-mailing the teacher about the project to kinda of remind her that Kyron had a dr.’s appt so he would not be ableto take it home from school with him. IDK. Hopefully the truth will come soon! I pray for you Kyron, all the time sweetie!

They have scheduled a new presser for tomorrow, havent they ? In one of the articles with Kaine at the wall was said that newspapers were to submit their questions to LE and Fri was the time given for presser with the answers
If the amount for funding was about 300 000 , isn it about half of what they have spent so far …equals another month working on the case or even more…
I so hope we see tomorrow more than just the general stuff LE usually saying…Where is the lil sweet fella , friends ?

Oh, I see… just saw the numbers the Sheriff gave us ….I have to correct myself , quite opposite , acctually….its only 200 000 they will hold on to , returning 4.5 times more…. That could mean , LE are almost done …

Vidda,

The written response to emailed questions is to be released tomorrow. The press conference is scheduled for Tuesday the 27th.

Elle, Good point about the bag for Desiree’s. forgot that. Thanks.

Maybe Kyron had bought lunches at school and not sent a box lunch by the SM???

Where is the article about Kurtis and the Dr. Appointment?

The request was made and granted.

Then Kaine met with LE for 3 hours and left seemingly upbeat. It may be a longshot, but perhaps Intel made a private contribution to LE to defray some of the expenses of the continuing investigation…

nanaof4:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html
Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date

(snipped.)

““And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime. And then I got a call at 4:30ish, saying he didn’t get off the bus, I guess. And Kurtis said, ‘Oh yeah, I knew he was already gone all day Mom.’”

Oh I hope this wonderful little guy kurtis and his mother told this to LE before the media put it out there. IIRC, the DR appointment was mentioned very early on by media. Still adds weight to the idea of a ruse on TH’s part. Ever since day one that DR’s appointment took my hinky meter to premeditation. Guess TH didn’t plan well enough though …PotatoHead,Vidda and Shyloh good points re lunches (bought or packed) and Going to Desiree’s . Its the little things that add up!

YO!

Sources: Homes of Terri Horman’s friends searched
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Source-Tualatin-homes-of-Terri-Hormans-friends-searched-kyron-missing-portland-99062069.html

“One of the unidentified friends reportedly had information on Terri Moulton-Horman’s whereabouts on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4. The friend may have violated a judge’s orders by seeing a then-sealed restraining order, filed against Terri by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, according to the sources.

Two of the homes were in Tualatin. A third search warrant at an undiclosed location was executed Thursday. Sources tell KGW investigators decided to obtain the search warrants after examining cell phone records, emails and conducting surveillance. All three friends had spent “significant” amount of time with Terri since the case began, sources said.”

My bets are Mike Cook, Jaymie Finster and… X? I’d hate to be any of those three, especially if they do have info they haven’t disclosed.

Tick-Tock

A lot of doctors today have an appointment line to make and manage changes to their calendar. I sure hope that the doctor does, because those types of systems have clear indicators of times that appointments are made and broken.

Great article Val! I think you are spot on about this!

“The friend may have violated a judge’s orders by seeing a then-sealed restraining order…” KGW

I don’t believe this is worded correctly. The friend can’t violate anything because they haven’t been ordered by the court. The violation would, again, be against TMH since she was a party to the action and was ordered not to disclose the RO to anyone who wasn’t party to the action.

George, you are correct.

Having said that, I think most will find the key points of interest in the article are the searches themselves, in addition to the cell records, email & surveillance.

That Mike Cook saw the RO is old news.

The video linked to the article states that 200 subpoenas have already been issued, with more to follow. How very encouraging. I believe LE already has much, much more than we anticipate.

Also, LE now says.. (only one day later) that they don’t need the extra money they asked for… could we be getting close? I pray that is true!

This is so frustrating if L,E wanted to issue a search warrant on Terri.The ideal time to strike wouldve been when she loaded up her stuff an moved out.A simple car stop an remove all her belongings from the car.You can bet that she wouldnt have left anything in the house for Kaine to find.An may have been to paranoid to dispose of it whith the media atention ect.Im sure there wouldve been a treasure trove of info in her belongings in the car.She has has a few days now to dispose of any incriminating items.I hope Im wrong but the police actions in this case seem reactive as opose to proactive.

I dunno, Ecossie.

Might be interesting to learn if Terri gave any of these friends things to store for her, so stuff wasn’t at her folks in Roseburg, KWIM? Since all three are reported to have spent a lot of time with Terri since Kyron’s disappearance, you never know if LE deliberately waited to see what Terri would do after leaving the family home.

Personally, I am very encouraged by this news, and I think LE might be playing Terri like a fiddle.

It is hapenning , guys…We are about to find out soon who did and what happened to the little cute Ky …
My Gosh, thats why they dont need all these funds , LE /DA are ready to roll. I am sure Kaine and Desiree were told already about this ( he spent 3 hrs with them the other day )
Its coming down to the “legal” part they are ready for…readhair deal? someone else’s deal? Who the Hell, are these 3 ppl spending so much time with Terri after Ky was gone ? Michael C? Loosers … The searches in 3 houses mean more evidence I hope. 200 supboenas issued , more to come…

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Thank you , guys, for the presser info – Tuesday ,27.
V

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Article from abouut 30 min ago… Terri friend Dede Spicher is drawn in the investigation…the good ol’ scum Michael C , is mentioned ,too
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html

http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Kyron-look-a-like-causes-confusion-with-Portland/AHTJ7BVxD0i-Ac9BSa_BwA.cspx

WOW a Kyron look alike. And to me he sure does.

regarding the three friens that were searched I wonder if the one at the undisclosed location was maybe Kaine… there was something about him spending three hours with investigators recently… maybe tied together or my sleepless brain

Vidda, do you remember when Terri’s cell phone recorded a ping from up north of Kyron’s school? (I’m sure you know why I’m asking this…

Vidda – thanks.

The Horman/Young statement was especially heart-wrenching. Just more complications, frustrations and upset added to their fears.

Where did Dede disappear to on the 4th that made her unreachable? WTH is her involvement? And for the love of Sweet Baby Buddha, WHY would she not cooperate?

Family’s statement about Dede:

Here is the statement released by Desiree and Tony Young, and Kaine Horman:

“We have been briefed by law enforcement on the most recent developments in Kyron’s case. We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher. She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son. Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well. We implore DeDe Spicer (sic) to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son. We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter.

“We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron’s smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home. Please remember what this is about, it’s about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.”

Desiree, Tony, and Kaine

PotatoHead said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 10:07:40
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Naturally I’m wondering if this friend left her job abruptly in NW Portland in response to a phone call that she may have received. Just throwing this out there but maybe somebody became stuck somewhere in a pick-up truck and needed assistance. It seems we’ll be getting more and more news now…these stories coming out now may be early stories from media even though their questions asked of LE are supposed to be revealed, with answers, tomorrow.

I’m only peripherally following this case but does it seem strange to anyone else that the family, and not LE, is putting out all the breaking news? Feels unusual to me — doesn’t LE usually hold press conferences and give out the “latest” developments and the family is more under the radar?

This must be a coordinated approach — or maybe I’m wrong and it’s not so unusual…

Does anyone know if it was revealed about when the phone call came or went from Terri’s phone in order to ping the tower? Has this info even been revealed yet?

Jennyb, Yes, it does seem unusual. LE is going to have a press conference this coming Tuesday and yet family reveals stuff now and again…maybe LE okay’s what they say just to put pressure on Terri. Tighten the screws so to speak. Unless LE backs up what the family says we are left wondering if it’s Kaine’s opinion or if it is true. But the person who took Kyron would be the only one who would know if what Kaine says is true or not and that would put a lot pressure on that person.

Another garbage…dede whatever-her-name-is …same as Terri…I am so trying not to use more names ! M
I hope LE nails her really hard, hope they have enough for accomplice …

Mimi said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 10:07:06 }

Thanks Mimi. I’m definitely not being critical of the family — as a matter of fact I feel certain LE has explicitly coordinated this approach with them. I just wonder why as it strikes me as quite unusual.

Then again, the way LE has gone about nearly every aspect of this case has been sort of mind-blowing. I really hope we’re not giving them too much credit. LOL.

It does seem like quite an emotional load to lay on the family, having them be (in essence) the LE spokesperson.

I guess they want to be uber-involved this way.

Now I am wondering about the other friend that was giving information on Poor little Terri to the newspapers. JF
Since there are three of them.
It’s seems strange that they both have red hair. Maybe she looked up to Terri like her hero.
Seems like a friend like Terri would be a libility. Looks that way.

PotatoHead ,
you are correct about good ol’ Michael ..his name was the second friend mentioned , makes sense along with the info about RO
Thx for the Desiree and Tony’s letter , I was thinking about her after tonights news came up
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MImi,
the tower will register the waves both ways – for incoming and outgoing calls

V

Jen,

I figure it is very well coordinated. I think LE is being deliberately circumspect to avoid harassment accusations from Mother Teresa’s lawyer Houze.

I doubt highly she’ll press civil charges against Desiree, Tony & Kaine, KWIM?

Tater -

I like the way you think.

Mimi, what am I missing about the cell phone ping North of Skyline?

Why does Tualatin sound familiar before reading about DeDe?

Maybe the FBI is doing this to put pressure on the ones who befriended Terri.
If more than one is involved, they will be singing like a canary.
And thats what they want.

This is madness. If it is true that this DeDe Spicher is encouraging anyone who can help to locate Kyron quiet, then my mind slams on the brakes in believing that he is dead by now. How could multiple citizens know of Kyron’s whereabouts and not reveal it unless it is an underground situation where they believe they are doing the correct thing by concealing him?

Question — does Dede drive a white truck? Like I keep saying’, “Cherchez la femme in The white truck,” (not TH).

Mme. C

Potato Head:
I just watched the video, and it appeared that someone was either moving, OR LE was taking alot of boxes out of the house shown on video. Are these people moving ? Sure would appreciate an answer.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that this De De Spicer would even consider not trying to help find little Kyron! That’s beyond cruel, and I pray she ends up in jail for her lousey behavior. She obviously KNOWS something…no matter what it is, she should cooperate with LE. (Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Michael Cook, sexting, and other disgusting things are involved) My heart goes out to Desiree. I just pray that God will give her the strength to endure this. You are so loved precious Kyron…pray that you will come home real soon. May God keep watch over you.

Toasty,

I wondered about all of the boxes, too? I did read that several FBI officers were with MCSO at the homes during the searches. Hard to say if they were removing all of those items, or if the homeowners were moving.

I wonder if any of the three ‘friends’ kindly offered to store things for Terri? She did have quite a bit of time to move things out of the house before she finally left. And I doubt she wanted to take it all to her parents in Roseburg.

It is getting more bizarre by the day. May a lightening bolt zap anyone who isn’t telling all they know.

Wonder what kind of vehicle DeDe drives?? Could it be a white Pickup too??
The boxes could hold computers and such. And papers?? They usually put everything in boxes or sacks.

I can’t take credit for this, but others are wondering if DeDe owns a white pick-up?

Good question.

Oh and since she does gardening, work gloves, and anything pertaining to that.

Sorry CLMinor, I posted same thing before I read your post.

My hinky is red-lining. anyone else?

Do you have a link to the child, Kurtis, being quoted? I’ve never seen that.

That’s Ok. lOL
My mind is whirling with all kinds of things. And I am wondering if the third person is the J. Fischner. I believe thats how she spelled it. Guess it is alright to use since she was giving it to the news media all time.

I think you’re thinking of Jaymie Finster. I have no link to back it up, but I read that she doesn’t live in Tualatin, but we don’t know where the third home that was searched is.

Thanks for the correction

Potato Head,
I think that all of the pieces are going to start to fall into place. Especially, when one of the three starts to “cover their azz” to keep out of jail. These people r lowlife cowards, and are prolly all involved in some sleezy scheme to make a “quick buck”…I feel sure LE will be watching every move they make. These three are the lowest of the low…I can only imagine how frustrated LE/FBI is! Bet Desiree could make this DeDe sleze “talk” if she had 5 minutes alone with her!!

(You’re on a roll! Keep up the great info. and good work!!) Bless ur Budda!!

LOL. Thanks Toasty.

I agree. I certainly thought all along that Mike Cook was in this for $$$ and driven by either kindness for Kaine, nor an overwhelming lust for Terri. It was reported that he admitted showing the pics of the RO to at least two other people, which I am pretty sure were media folks, thus the media reports that ultimately lead to the RO being unsealed. I credit that leak directly to Mikey.

I still wonder if he got paid for it. I also wonder if he got paid, did he share the ill-gotten gains with Terri? I doubt it. I think he inserted himself from the get-go for his own gains. After doing a little research on him, it wasn’t hard for me to imagine him selling those texts & the explicit pictures to the highest tabloid bidder. I do believe that was his ultimate goal.

Once that got sidetracked, I figure MC is one of the weakest links in this chain. I think he will indeed CYA. Mind you, I also still think that those pics will surface on TMZ or in the NE eventually. I’m sure they’ll be worth more once Terri is charged.

Likewise, I haven’t held Jaymie Finster in high regard. I don’t much care how deeply she values her friendship with Terri; by giving those interviews she circumvented LE and Kaine, Desiree & Tony. She was wholly responsible for leaking news of the second poly & Terri’s version of the story about the Dr’s appointment. Unbidden & unwarranted.

I am not sure if Terri was the Puppet Master or the Puppet when it comes to Jaymie. Jury is still out on that aspect.

As for DeDe, she certainly is a POI for me.

She shares many interests with Terri and perhaps they are of like mind? Is she another one whose fallen for a ‘woe-is-me’ story of victimization by Terri, or is she imagining herself as a protector of sorts? Ultimately, she might even be an accomplice after the fact.

I will note a little hinky that is driving me nuts. Early on there was a very prolific and vocal Terri defender on the OregeonLive site called Mazama. She offered up all sorts of tidbits for consideration, including a fair bit of Kaine bashing. Note that DeDe went to Mazama High School.

Isn’t that hinkalicious? I think so.

“Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman’s passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn’t return until an hour to 90 minutes later.”
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Well, reportedly, Terri likes gardeners (landscapers) …and has no trouble asking them to do special favors for her….like kill a husband or etc…
George, Vidda, I was trying to imply that Terri might have run into a snag in the woods and called this DeDe to get some help. DeDe left her job (gardening in NW Portland) abruptly at 11:30 and was gone and not reachable for up to 90 minutes. I think, by Googlearth, you could say that the cell tower that pinged was located in NW Portland. It’s only one of my usual “throw it out there as my first thought” things…but DeDe DID leave her job to go somewhere…why?
Also…yes, now it is more clear to me that the woman in the white pick-up waiting in the cul de sac might have been one of Terri’s friends as the time line does not allow for it to be her. What in God’s name did these people conspire to do to Kyron? WHAT is going on? This is a hell of a lot bigger than just a wife trying to…well, do what??
All those boxes…I just don’t know but yes, my Hinky is red-lining and highlighting all over the place.
Oh….and I think we can once and for all trash can the idea of post partum depression!

Did Kyron overhear or see something that a group of people are involved in? I was worried he walked in and saw Terri having sex with a man who was not his father…but, at this point, I would think it might be fair to say Kyron walked in on who knows what.
(If that particular theory about his disappearance is accurate…that he saw or heard something and had to be eliminated.)
I have also considered that he was taken to “save him” from some situation as someone else spoke of up-thread. But, don’t you think someone would have squeaked by now if that was what it was? That would at least be altruistic…but they wouldn’t sacrifice themselves to save a child. Nobody looks like the warm fuzzy type about now and somebody is going to get busted any day now IMO.

Mimi,

No specific information (location or time) that I am aware of has ever been reported about Terri’s cell pings.

Two weeks after Kyron disappeared, James Pitkin of the Willamette Week wrote a piece in which he said he had spoken off the record to five LEOs (none of whom were directly involved in the case) who had heard rumors that there were discrepancies in Terri’s account of where she was on June 4. Four of Pitkin’s sources said they heard through the rumor grapevine that Terri’s her cell pings indicated she MAY have been on Sauvie Island that day.

That’s all that has been reported about her cell pings. No one knows what towers she pinged, where those towers are located, or what time she pinged them.

She could have pinged Sauvie Island from quite a few directions, but from the reported locations of searches (along Highway 30, the Multnomah Channel, and Sauvie Island), I speculated in a long comment that she may have pinged the Scappoose High School cell tower 6-7 miles north of her house. But that’s just a theory.

One thing for sure, LEO doesn’t go to someone’s house and take that many things unless they have good reason.
Did this DeDe met Terri at the location that Kyron is at? She would of have the equipment on hand.
Gosh I hate to think of him being anything but alive, but this sure gives reason to worry.

mimi: “Also…yes, now it is more clear to me that the woman in the white pick-up waiting in the cul de sac might have been one of Terri’s friends as the time line does not allow for it to be her.”

…”She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn’t return until an hour to 90 minutes later.”

…..the white truck was seen @ approx. 3 p.m —we know dede got back to her gardening duties @ approx. 1p.m—how long did she stay after returning? if it was only an hour or 2…..then she could have been in that location—in a white truck @ 3.

..and if so.—where was dede @approx. 2 a.m. , when the white truck was spotted again?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html

“She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son,” the statement said.
“Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well.”

“But, don’t you think someone would have squeaked by now if that was what it was?” Mimi

Not necessarily. From what I know, a children’s underground (I have heard of two based in the U.S.) is an extremely covert operation with connections everywhere that have a “no tell” policy when they are convinced a child is in danger. Many of these “hidden” children wind up on milk cartons as missing along with a biological relative. They are given new names/identities, new lives.

I am not saying that I believe this is what happened to Kyron, and if it is a similar case, I do not believe from what I know of this case that Terri would have taken such action to help Kyron, though I do believe that she would have led others to believe that it was for Kyron’s best interest so she could hurt Kaine. Then again, why did she allegedly put out a hit on Kaine? We don’t know. We have come up with ideas like, she was having an affair, she had PPD, she wanted his house and money, etc. In her mind, maybe she thought Kaine’s lifestyle was a detrement to raising Kyron in a healthy environment. (This was someone else’s idea, not mine. Just repeating it.)

Maura said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 01:07:11 }

(Know you’re not a fan, but hope you’ll entertain these questions for others… TYIA)

Curious – is Scappoose HS directly north of Terri’s home? Where would that be in relation to NW Portland?

DeDe was reported to have been working in NW Portland, then left the job site from 11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m. PST

I’ve been through Portland and have stayed in Scappoose, but my map-reading skills are abysmal. I’m one of those ‘right/left turn’ people vs. North/South.

Hypothetically, IF DeDe did leave her job site in NW Portland between 11:30 – 1:00, would it be possible that she might have met Terri at the Scappoose HS during that time, and allowing for a return trip back to NW Portland?

Thanks.

If someone has put out a contract on having someone murdered, they would be charged with the murder too. So I don’t think Terri is the least bit shy when it comes to doing a dirty deed.
If Kaine and she were discussing separation and divorce, this may have been her way to hurt him.
So I don’t think Kyron is in an underground child protection program. Who was she going to save him from?? Herself.
I think it tells a lot about Kaine that he was surprised that she had a murder for hire out on him. He probably didn’t think along the evil lines that Terri did.
He seems like a very business like person, who takes life serious. You can tell he loves his children and when you see him at the fence looking at the letters and mementos, he seems to hold each one in high regards.

I am looking forward to the next few days to see what developes from the LEO.
I want this case solved.

“Sources tell KGW that police searched Spicher’s home last week.”

….considering that we know she is not cooperating with LE, the search must have been done under warrant.

…and, they must have been looking for specifics…

—–a lawyer at BlinkOnCrime. :

BirdFLU says:
July 22, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Interesting about the search warrants. Having written and served a few dozen myself, here’s what I can tell you about a search warrant:

1. It’s not a fishing expedition. You can’t say “This person is friend of Teri’s, so we want to look through their stuff and see what we find.” Via the affidavit in support of a search warrant, you have to explain in detail why you want to search that house. It’s like writing a report to the judge, you have to convince him or her that you have gathered enough information and/or evidence that him/her allowing you to search that house is a reasonable thing to do. The judge has to agree with you. This is a big deal because, by approving the search warrant, the judge is saying you have permission to suspend that person’s Constitutional rights (4th amendment). A judge is staking their reputation and career an your affidavit.

2. You have to list in the search warrant affidavit what you expect to find, why you expect to find it at that location, and how what you find is evidence of a crime.

3. The search warrant has to have reasonable timeliness. You can’t say “This person might have had drugs two months ago.” You have to say why you think that person has drugs right now. What is “reasonable” as far as timeliness depends on the facts of the case. In this case, it’s hard to say because we don’t know what they are looking for.

That’s your search warrant mini-lesson.

….this one stmt. is very interesting to me:

…..2. You have to list in the search warrant affidavit what you expect to find, why you expect to find it at that location, and how what you find is evidence of a crime.

ITA, CLMinor, with a small caveat.

I’d like to see Kyron found, then I’d like to see justice served.

If I was Desiree, Kaine, or Tony, I suspect I’d want to find my child before I could turn my attention fully towards justice. As frustrated as they are, I do believe their primary concern (and subsequent frustration,) is rooted in finding Kyron.

I pray that these parents don’t suffer decades of tormenting uncertainty.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html

This video shows both houses that were searched. In the driveway of one is a blue colored SUV. Look at the houses closely in the videos

» PotatoHead said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 02:07:09 }

So true.
It would be a horrible thing to go thru a period of time and not know where they were.
I pray they bring him home soon to end the torture for them.
It is a very selfish and evil person to do something like this to another.
Justice will come in time.

I *think* both houses are accurately pictured here:
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=422452&postcount=441

But, I’d note that both of those shots are screen grabs from a video purported to be the media’s visit to searched homes in Tualatin.

I’m guessing these are actual Tualatin site searches, based on MSM reports/videos/independent verification of sources , but proceed at your own risk.

PH: “But, I’d note that both of those shots are screen grabs from a video purported to be the media’s visit to searched homes in Tualatin.”

………they are the same as those in the video CLminor posted above:
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html

…in the video, you can see the “for sale” sign at the house.

..dede lives in the condo, w/ the blue suv—the one she drove terri to a lawyer appt. in.

EJ.

Yup. I’m pretty certain that Pandora did grab those shots from that same video.

Night.

So, who lives in the huge nice home where we saw boxes being removed from?
Wonder why someone had a concrete block inside the house, and if that was
being taken into evidence also.
I have had some uneasy feelings since reading that one of Terri’s pass time
activities was some sort of on line game. Not sure what it was, but it certainly
made me feel uncomfortable about her.

concrete block inside their house?
who what where and when!

The Cow Bird will lay its eggs in the nests of smaller birds of a different feather. The mother and father birds find the egg to be large, but otherwise think it belongs to them. Fooled, they tend to it and as the baby cow bird gets larger and larger, it kicks the other offspring to the ground where they die and baby cow bird continues to feed off of the clueless parents. I use this example, because no matter if you are a cowbird or a human, it is your instinct to propagate your own. I think, Terri wanted to kick the extra offspring to the curb so more resources would go to her and her daughter.
And, I wouldnt be surprised if there was a substantial life insurance policy on Kaine.

Marcia I belive you are refering to World of Warcraft. Wich is a role playing quest game .Millions of people play this game online..

Level 80 Undead Warlock here….tread lightly on the WoW stigma. I’MMA CHARGIN’ MY FIREBALL! (inside joke to WoW-heads)

lisah:
…in the video, you see a concrete block brought out of the house.
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html

Here’s a newslink that gives more about what investigators have been doing– getting their ducks in a row, got their funding, got their searches done, and in the hearings to the state about the money, they won’t apparently need it ‘for some months’. And a comment that since an arrest hasn’t happened by now, it won’t happen until the case is ‘court ready’. And shows big boxes being trucked away in searches, if that’s what the clip has shown accurately.

That seems to be telling. Video report from Seattle’s King5 today.

http://www.king5.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-parents-ask-stepmoms-friend-to-cooperate-99105749.html

(‘got their searches done’– meant ref to the search warrant reports, obviously the search for Kyron hasn’t concluded)

I am praying real hard that Kyron is not anywhere in concrete. I so hope that this is going to come to an end and whoever is responsible get the death penalty. I don’t understand how they cannot arrest Andora the red headed witch? She is so obviously guilty. Kaine and Desiree have got to be on such an emotional roller coaster ride. I can’t imagine sitting and waiting and not knowing.

Hurry LE get JUSTICE

Scappose High School is about 6-7 miles due north of the Horman residence.

You don’t need to be a skilled map reader to see where the Scapoose High School is in relation to the house. As for where DeDe was, I can’t say. “Northwest Portland” could mean the city proper or could mean unincorporated Portland, which is a much vaster area.

Someone at WS mapped out the pertinent locations, and if you open the map, you’ll see Scappoose marked.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113741092510424599794.0004885502c0e5890795a&t=h&z=10

Kaine Horman Residence
15725 NW Sheltered Nook Road
Portland, OR 97231

Scappoose High School #43448
33700 SE High School Way
Scappoose, OR 97056-3325

Is anyone else considering that De De may be the evil Step Monster’s new love interest? Maybe when she couldn’t get the man to do her dirty work, she moved on to a woman? I have difficulty reconciling this “thick as thieves” relationship between these two women.

The quote from King5 link above.

The DA imply something when he says ” We’re optimistic that a resolution… it.. obviously if there’s no arrest, you have an investigation that’s trial ready when there is an arrest.”

We also know that TH, once she got her lawyer, wasn’t in contact with certain of her friends, presumably that could mean the ones whose homes were searched. TH has been cut off from her community, less easy access to her lawyer’s office, and now, as we’ve seen, her close ‘friends’ who have been helping her at least since Kyron’s disappearance.

Mom2chloe, yeah, not a leap if she is a sociopath who uses people and uses her prowress sexually to get things from them.

Wondering if some kind of cult could be involved in this mystery.

Mme. C

Thanks Maura.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html

Who is DeDe Spicer

A new release on this woman.

I am wondering if the lady gave permission to the LEO to check her phone records so they could check DeDe’s phone to see where she was at time of her call to her.
It would ping on the closest tower even tho she didn’t answer it.
They probably already have DeDe’s phone cell records. And this is how they knew about the lady.

Concrete? How big a chunk of concrete? Holy toledo.

interesting comment above about the cow bird theory—-seems to fit TH plus the possible life insurance on Husband. But it is soo sad about Kyron–who could hurt a child for that. I know it happens but to take him to his school with his little science project and then Murder him? If she did this she needs to be put to death that’s for sure

Well I wouldn’t say Concrete.
It probably has something to do with shovels and dirt.

I seen a trailer of some type in one of the videos posted last nite with a ladder on it.
It had wooden sides and I was wondering whose it was. It was in front of the big house on the opposite side of the street. And since this person seems to be involved in some way, it made me stop and think about it. And this was the house a lot of boxes were being carried out of. I am wondering if this person is a landscaper too.
Look at the video again and look for the trailer with the ladder on it.
Just a thought here.

Almost got anxiey attack at work when red about the concrete …couldnt pull up anything else other then the blogg …trying to catch up
Need a help with the concrete ..not seen anything like that on the videos,pls help

They didn’t show a bag of concrete mix but rather showed a CSI or LEO carrying one concrete block of the type used to set foundations. She’s apparently a professional landscaper, so she may have had it for use in building raised beds for elaborate landscaping schemes.

You can see illustrations of what was removed from the house at the following link (IIRC, the CSI carried an 8x8x16 two-core block):

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/h2layconcreteblock

My guess is they took it in anticipation of possibly finding Kyron’s remains at the bottom of a body of water weighted down with a similar concrete block. Forensics being what they are, they could probably get a fine breakdown of the concrete matter to see if both (DeDe’s and a potential) came from the same manufacturing lot.

Looking at the picture of DeDe I initially thought it was another picture of TH.

I thought it was reported that some”big things” were going to happen this week. Were they referring to the searches of TH’s friends?? I was hoping for an arrest honestly.

» Maura said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 02:07:44 }
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Don’t you think it’s odd that TH wouldn’t hire her own friend to do the Landscaping? I know that you usually only stick to the facts (which I appreciate) but for some reason this just seems super hinky to me.

You all are SO clever! I love to read your comments.

I have a question that I didn’t feel I could ask before now, but since TH has moved out of Kaine’s home, I feel okay about asking. The thought occurred to me that since the family home was in Kaine’s name only (as I understand it), could LE have legally installed hidden mics and cams in the home, with Kaine’s permission, in those few hours that day Kaine was moving out and Terri was being questioned at the station, in order to gather more information?

If so, I wonder if what we are seeing now, with all the friend searches, could be part of information gathered in that way. It sure seems like an entirely new vein of investigation.

was there any truth to the ‘swingers’ rumors? I remember one case I read about where there was a “sex club” and they had sex parties, orgies n stuff, I wonder if TH n this DeDe and Mikey were having a club ‘meeting’ (LOL) that Kyron walked in on? or she just wanted him out of the way so there was no one to tell on her when she did crap like that …

MLR –

No one, to my knowledge, said big things were about to happen. A couple of weeks ago, the MC sheriff said he had some decisions to make in the case in the upcoming week. He never suggested an arrest was right around the corner although that’s what many people hoped he meant.

If DeDe is a decorative/ornamental landscaper (which appears to be the case), then she is working in a field concerned with landscape aesthetics and upscale garden design, not the kind of weekly lawn maintenance (grass cutting, tree trimming, leaf blowing) that Terri’s hired landscaper does.

Okay, silly question, I’m pretty sure LE would not have been able to legally install recording devices without a warrant, even though the home was in Kaine’s name. However… could Kaine install them on his own? I know, it’s far fetched. But this whole situation becomes more bizarre and far fetched each week it seems! Maybe it’s just my runaway imagination because I want so, so much for Kyron to be found and brought home, and for his abductors (God forbid killers) to be brought to justice. I hope so much LE has all they need to put TH, and whomever else was involved, away forever, but before they do, to extract the information they need from them to bring Kyron home.

Maura,

Thank you!

Terri Horman told Michael Cook to lie to HER attorney about being at Michael Cook’s home……..what date did she not want her attorney to know she was at MC’s house?
Was it June 4th?
I know I’m repeating myself, but MC from the get-go has sent my hinkymeter off the charts. Him bringing a truck load of supplies to Terri the day after Kyron disappears…..red flag, considering he was Kaine’s friend and “supposedly” didn’t know Terri……..just doesn’t add up IMO. Did he drop off supplies (water, food, etc) somewhere else too?…..was this supply delivery to Terri his way of communicating to her that supplies for Kyron were delivered to where ever he’s being held? I HOPE that’s the case, because then Kyron may still be safe and unharmed…….I keep praying!!!!!

Since the FBI is involved, I am sure out of the hundred of warrants, the house was bugged as well as the phones.
And I believe that the LEO said in their statement that they would have the case ready to go to trial when the arrests are made. So they will watch them and when everything is in the bag, there will be an arrest. One of them will mess up big time before this is over. If these people are as weak as they appear, one will be singing big time.
And by the weakness, I mean to be helping Terri is this, they must be the type to follow the leader. Putting the pressure on a person can be stressful. And that seems to be the way this case is going.

As far as the concrete block, I have several raised beds using them. And as Maura said,
It could lead to be part of the evidence. And a lot things that were taken may not be used, but they just might be tied to the case.

Maura, I just love to read your posts. Thanks so much from this Texan.

Personally, I think Mike Cook is just an out and out idiot who showed his horneiness at the wrong time.
Maybe, he hadn’t had a date in while and Terri snowballed him.
She probably told him a sad story like she told the other ones and he fell for it.
But thank goodness, it was uncovered that she was pulling the same thing on him that she had pulled on the lawn service nut.
Shows that she is willing to go to the extremes to get what she wants.

RE Maura
Thank you bunch!
Are the answers already out ? Wasnt it LE to give answers to questions today

seeme,

It wasn’t the day after Kyron disappeared. It was the day of or the day after her being served with divorce papers (which would be the 28th or 29th of June – 25 or 26 days after Kyron went missing).

“PORTLAND, Ore. — DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was doing gardening work not far from the Horman family home in Northwest Portland on the day her step-son, 7-year-old Kyron Horman, disappeared, KGW has learned from a reliable source. Spicher reportedly left where she was working at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.”
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From news video posted by Ellejay…
Maura, it looks like they are considering the Horman house to be in NW Portland for their purposes here.

» Ecossie Possie said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 09:07:01 }
Marcia I belive you are refering to World of Warcraft. Wich is a role playing quest game .Millions of people play this game online..
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Yes, you are right. I have known some people who do this,
and have distanced from them because they were just too
HINKY to call friends. Some can play pretend and have fun…
Some aren’t playing pretend, they are living a whole other
life in their games, and some people get very UGLY!

I found this video pretty interesting….good summary from retired capitan B McCain , Sheriff’s office .. comments about the absolute silence from the investigative team … the possible break.. info from Kaine and Desiree as spoke persons of the case …6/4/10 & school critics ..the importance about the 6-7 hours gap that was carefull orchestrated by Terri and her not having alibi..

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-family-names-woman-eyed-boys-disapperance/story?id=11234220

What about the answers from LE for today, I cannt wait

Questions & Answers
Finally
http://www.kptv.com/news/24374752/detail.html

» CLMinor said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 01:07:25 }

http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html
snipped:
“Spicher described herself on blogspot as “a fitness junkie, med school wannabe, pet-sitting veteran, HOA board survivor and worm herder.” She also talks about her first marathon, first century bike ride and what it’s like to grow a garden on the small patio of her condo. Her last blog entry was on May 5, a month before Kyron disappeared.
She also has a profile posted on the Yard-sharing Web site, hyperlocavore which described her as someone who’s passionate about organic gardening and actively seeking a yard to share. She wrote that she wants to learn from others about natural gardening methods. Her last update on this Web site was made on May 15.”
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I think it is pretty interesting that De De is ACTIVELY SEEKING A YARD TO SHARE . The Horman yard is pretty big and, if A small group of like minded people wanted to plant organic vegetables on a property that size, it could have been turned into a lucrative business. One major problem might be if Kaine wasn’t into the idea of turning his property into a virtual farm. Who knows? If there is insurance on Kaine’s head, it would have been like striking it rich to suddenly own that property alone and have a good amount of start up money, too.
All guessing on my part, of course, but I’m still stuck on motivations. If you can figure out motivation then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. This yard share thing is BIG in Portland…might explain all the boxes taken from that home as some people are making it a business.
(Lots of links in the internet to learn about and connect with others regarding “Yard sharing in Portland, OR.)
None of this has any obvious link to Kyron, however. I think you have to go way beyond yard sharing to figure out a motivation for that.

Portland, Oregon yard share…so much land for the sharing and so many gardeners who are looking to share…and all of them with shovels.

Sorry, forgot the link:

http://www.yardsharing.org/

vidda said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 06:07:33 }

Thanks for the link Vidda. LE is still watching what they say, but if the rumor is true about the GJ Monday, we may get more at the press conference Tuesday. That’s what I’m hoping for – GJ hands down indictments Monday, arrests, the presser Tuesday. Dare to dream………

Re Foobros :
I like it, you have it a planned ,LOL

… ALL planned, sorry
Need some volunteers ?

vidda said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 08:07:30 }

… ALL planned, sorry Smile
Need some volunteers ?
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LOL – I wish we could volunteer! I’m sure that LE has it under control, but it is so tough to wait for the hammer to drop.

foobros said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 08:07:08 }

I think that is how this will go down, too, with one small question… I wonder if Terri will turn herself in via Houze once the indictments come down?

Shades of KC.

Hi PH, that is a good point….they say Terri is back in Portland today, seeing her lawyer. I really wonder what they are discussing? Do they know that the gig is up? I think there are too many people involved and someone’s going to talk to get a deal. There may be news before Tuesday after all!

3 hours talk with Kaine this past week with no comments …his tears, the wall…then Desiree just disappeared .. doesnt it look like they had gotten some bad news.. more money for the investigation turned down not a good sign at all …same time – searches in these ppl places ..We have not heard TH ‘s voice , but her lawyer ? WHy he wouldnt say an word after all the news lately..
what do you think, guys ?
I was looking at Ky’s pic today…lovely lovely kid

Hope this isn’t duplicating info, but apparently, Didi Spiecher’s father is a cop.

“Her father, who identified himself as a sheriff’s deputy with the Klamath County Sheriff’s Office,”. He was driving her and apparently said this to reporters before they drove away.

Quote from tonight’s article at
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99146044.html

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx

Also, Terri came into Portland to see her attorney today.

DeDe’s dad a deputy sheriff and Terri’s mom and dad are retired school teachers.
A person would think they would have learned to be better people.
Maybe we will learn something new on the 27th during the press conference with LEO

VAL – did you see this one? Might want to make notes on it.

Sources detail Terri’s time line day Kyron disappeared

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html

“According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman claims she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.”

“Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.”
“At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.”

“By 1:21, Terri claimed she’d traveled home – a distance of nearly 11 miles – and was posting photos on Facebook she’d taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.”

“Sources said she also e-mailed the teacher to find out when she could come pick up the project as she had not taken it home.”

Two of Terri’s friends who’ve taken polygraph tests and turned over evidence said they are cooperating fully with investigators and have nothing to hide.
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More at link.

Also – this video says one of the friends was told during questioning by investigators that LE has probable cause on the MFH plot & Kyron’s disappearance.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html?tab=video

At this stage of the game, I doubt that friend has any reason to lie, since she is likely in CYA mode Big Time!

I’m back, reading, heat breaking. Wondering WHAT it will take to stop
the horrible people in this world from hurting children. I feel our society
and justice system has failed our children. Have often said that I feel
more and more that we have lawed ourselves into a lawless society.
The more laws made, the less control. I am blabbering again… can’t
verbalize what is in my head. Maybe I am trying to say the more laws
there are the less justice there is. Does that even come close to making
sense. I am so furious with lawyers who will defend those who lie and
claim innocence when there is so much pointing toward guilt.
If ONLY our lawyers were honorable people and not out for the fame
and big bucks.

Th checked into the Gym at 111:39…..ISn’t this when DeDe left work? How far is the gym from where DeDe was working? I wonder if the gym has a camera and tell for sure who it was that checked in?

please forgive my typo’s light’s are out so hubby can sleep

Sorry I’ve read and read and obviously not getting it – what is this re what I take to be Grand Jury convened early next week? Yours in confusion. Perhaps I’m delusional.

MLR said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 12:07:44 }

Yup. Gym is 24 Hour fitness in Beaverton on Waterton (Waterdown?) Rd. Where is that in relation to the home DeDe had been working at? I wonder.

Did Terri hand Kyron over to DeDe then hit the gym for an hour’s worth of alibi? Don’t you wonder how poor Kiara faired in the gym day care with her ear ache while Mama hit the weights?

I am fervently hoping that DeDe’s deputy Sheriff Dad can impress upon her how critical it is that she cooperate. She might, (likely does), know that one bit of info that could lead LE to Kyron. I am hoping Don Spicher has a lot more backbone & pull with his daughter than George Anthony ever did.

BrendaT said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 01:07:07 }

On line rumours abound. Some ‘reliable sources’ on other sites say that the Grand Jury has been convened, while others say that some people are simply making court appearances early next week.

I can’t speak for Foobros, but for myself, I am simply guessing as to the events that might occur early next week based on similarities noted in other missing person cases.

It’s a bit like trying to work out an algebra equation. If A=the prescheduled LE press conference on Tuesday, July 27th, and B=LE finally admitting that Terri has not been consistently cooperative, then multiplied by C (D, K & T specifically outing DeDe as being uncooperative and having further knowledge) + D reports that Terri spent the entire day today with her lawyer, -rumours …. result X seems to be > a stalemate on LE’s part?

I’ll add this to the equation:

Also – this video says one of the friends was told during 5 hours of questioning by investigators that LE has PROBABLE CAUSE on both the MFH plot & Kyron’s disappearance.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html?tab=video

I am not holding my breath that this will result in Kyron being found immediately, but I am fully expecting charges at some point in the coming week.

Thanks PH excellent help and I’m chewing on that. I take it there is no Grand Jury next week.

Oops I have to say I am ignorant of the process. I knew Grand Jury testimony was sealed but didn’t think the mere fact it was going to take place was…..

BrendaT said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 01:07:37 }

Not sure?

I do personally think there is a GJ convened, but that is my ‘gut hunch’ and not based in any factual info at all. I’d have to defer to others who have studied OR procedural laws.

I am making a huge leap in assuming that with the DA’s oddly early involvement, plus their recently approved budget injection, and Schrunk’s statement that they are ‘trial-ready’ that indictments will come via a Grand Jury. I do find it interesting that LE hs been so silent, yet they’ve scheduled this Tuesday, July 27th press conference days in advance? Seems somewhat coincidental with other recent news reports about accomplices & searches?

I may be entirely wrong. I hope not, as I do want to believe that probable cause does exist to lay charges.

I don’t know anything at all about OR laws, so I am not sure if charges of this degree could be laid without the GJ?

PH -really – holy crapola – I’ve been wondering the same stuff re budget and all the rest of i – I’ve seldom been able to figure out anything.

Thanks PH, you summed that up beautifully. I’ve been away for a while…..came back and read your posts. I think that’s what’s going to happen as well.

BrendaT, the rumor of the GJ Monday came from a post on another forum and that poster says they are DeDe’s cousin. Nothing officially confirmed, but I think it is true myself.

I am surprised to see a timeline come out about Terri’s movements that day – at least what she says she did that day. That coming out now means something’s going down.

Terri is driving around the back roads because the baby has an earache. So does this mens the baby was with her when she took Kyron to school?
An ear ache can indicate some serious problems. Why would she just cruise around, and not take the baby to a walk in clinic at the very least?

» Marica said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 07:07:04 }
Terri is driving around the back roads because the baby has an earache. So does this mens the baby was with her when she took Kyron to school?
An ear ache can indicate some serious problems. Why would she just cruise around, and not take the baby to a walk in clinic at the very least?

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This makes absolutely no sense to me. No wonder LE has been investigating her whereabouts that day.
If your baby is not feeling well because she has an earache, you give her Tylenol, or you take her home and snuggle her in bed, or you take her to the doctor……driving her around in a car on rural roads for an hour and a half and THEN dropping her off at the gym daycare while you work out for an hour and THEN finally going home is beyond hinky.
Plus, rural roads, at least in my mind, are bumpy, curvy, and have lots of stops and starts. If you really want to soothe your baby in the car, you get on the freeway and drive without stopping for a while until they fall asleep. Rural roads, to me = baby waking up repeatedly.

How can a person lie about being at the gym. Don’t they have sign in sheets and surveillance. Can she be that dumb? Also, maybe the plan was to stage a kidnapping, get ransom, but things went awray with the murder for hire plot being exposed, and the finger zeroing in on TH and TH alone. I pray that Kyron is alive and still being held somewhere. Stranger things have happened. God Bless you little buddy, keep the faith if you’re out there.

Lynda,

I have a gym membership and if I forget my card all I have to do is give them my name and they look up my account. I think DeDe and TH are similar looking enough to pass at the gym.

Or, TH could have given DeDe her membership card.

Or TH could have had DeDe finish up her dirty work. Of course it’s all speculation but it just seems hinky to me that DeDe was unaccounted for during the time TH said she was at the gym.

There are other things that run through my head. DeDe could have been covering for TH for a while if TH was having an affair. So DeDe could have thought by going to the gym that, that is what she was doing.

Vall has new thread as of today

I’m with mom2chloe. I’m wondering if Terri and DeDe weren’t trysting as lovers. What else would make another woman so loyal. IMO. But, jeez, she’s supposed to be a fitness junkie. Looks like a big fat slob to me. Gaaaawwwwd!

“I am surprised to see a timeline come out about Terri’s movements that day – at least what she says she did that day. That coming out now means something’s going down.” Foobros

Where is this timeline?

Wondered earlier if Terri had taken the baby with her when she took Kyron to school.
At that time no one knew. Now it would seem that she took the baby with her, so am wondering if she took the baby into the school while she was taking the pictures of
Kyron, or was baby left in the vehicle?
Thinking if the bay had an earache, she darn well better have bought some children’s
Tylenol while she in one of those stores. Next question, did she take the baby in the stores when she shopped? How long was she in any of these stores?
This case is as close to being like the Anthony case is is frightening. So much points
to Terri being fully responsible for Kyron’s disappearance, and nothing suggests she
might possibly be innocent.

CO Mom,

Could you please repost your comment with a link to the source and just a brief (one paragraph) snippet from the article? We can’t copy/paste entire articles here.

Thanks.

Yes, but Dede is fat. How is she into fitness?

Val,

Actually, that wasn’t an article. I transcribed that verbatim from the live interview this morning. I thought it had some great info after I watched it, and was going to pass along the information when I thought, why not transcribe and post rather than try to paraphrase, since the entire interview was peppered with interesting information. The rest is laptop/remote control history.

I’ll keep checking their site, and if/when they post a video of the interview, I’ll post the link here.

OH! Okay. I’ll get it back up for you, CO Mom with a statement that it is your transcription of an interview.

cool beans!

Following is transcription of interview by CO Mom:

Some interesting information from Capt Bruce McCain, Multnomah County Sheriff (ret)
in his interview on FoxNews’ Happening Now this morning:

Interviewer: We want to start off with this friend, DeDe Spicher, she’s the one who
went before the Grand Jury, why are police focusing on her now? What does the Grand
Jury hope to find from her?

McCain: Well Jenna, this has all developed since you and I talked about this issue
yesterday. DeDe Spicher did appear pursuant to a subpeona to Multnomah County Grand
Jury, but according to her lawyer she did not answer any questions. And I think the
significance there is that, as we’ve talked about before, some of her own conduct,
both on the day Kyron disappeared on June 4th, as well as some of her activities in
relation to Terri since then, have raised some questions by Kaine Horman and the
Youngs. So she was subpeonaed, but more than likely what happened is that she
probably invoked her 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination and she’s
probably going to be working out some type of an immunity deal with prosecutors in
exchange for compelled Grand Jury testimony at a later date.

Interviewer: Now she hasn’t been named as a person of interest, neither has the
stepmother Terri, they also have not been named suspects. Do you think it’s moving
in that direction, though?

McCain: Well Grand Juries are in the business of doing one thing Jenna and that’s
handing down indictments. So they’re obviously at the stage of probable cause for
the District Attorney to start presenting their case to the Grand Jury. Oregon, like
most places, has a secret process, the attorneys are not allowed in there, only the
D.A., seven jurors and a witness. Most of the evidence will be coming in the form of
afidavits from investigators as well as testimony from police, relatively few
civilian witnesses like DeDe Spicher. So yes, it is significant, it’s showing
progress is being made, but all the talk about an imminent arrest I think may be
premature, but I think a better descriptor is ‘inevitable’.

Interviewer: So there is another side of this story that is coming up as well, since
we last spoke yesterday, which is this matter of money. And this goes back to Terri
Horman, the stepmother, hiring lawyers and supposedly, according to the father of
little Kyron Horman, paying them $350,000 dollars. Question is, where did she
actually get that money? Why could that be important to this case?

McCain: Well again Jenna, that came up in a filing after you and I spoke yesterday
and this in the context of the civil divorce case. What makes this very, very
interesting here is that that money is reportedly in the trust account of Terri
Horman’s criminal defense lawyer. Normally that would not be used for diverse
purposes, but apparently he left himself exposed as the attorney of record in the
divorce proceeding so Kaine’s lawyer is saying, “Look, your Honor, if that is a
borrowed money from somebody, a person or a bank, that’s a marital asset, and my
client, Kaine, is entitled to half of that.” It’s putting Stephen Howze in the
position of having to explain, “Wait a minute, that’s not for divorcing, that’s for
a criminal case that doesn’t exist yet”. That’s going to be very difficult issue.
Practically, it may have the effect of cutting Terri Horman’s defense budget in half
and transferring that money to Kaine. It also brings another opportunity
for Terri Horman to be dragged before a judge under oath sometime in the near
future when the criminal investigators can’t touch her right now.

Interviewer: Now that’s an interesting “follow the money” on that. Real quick here,
just a final question, you know the sheriff’s department has only been speaking with
the press, really through email questions, now they’ve set up this press conference.
What do you expect to hear?

McCain: Well I expect frankly here locally it’s about six weeks of pent up
frustration being unloaded on whoever the unsuspecting guys are at that podium.
Handling things by email has not been very effective. Frankly, they’ve not done a
very good job of feeding the Beast, or the media, and they’re holding this press
conference by the way, they announced this last week so I really don’t think you’re
necessarily going to see something big and breaking, but we’ll see at two o’clock
Pacific, but really you’re going to see six weeks of pent up frustration unloaded on
those poor guys at that podium this afternoon.

Interviewer: Alright, if the past is any indication of a pattern, Bruce, then I’ll
talk to you tomorrow. Bruce, thanks for joining us today and we’ll keep everybody
updated on the developments here.

Awesome, Val. I thought it had some very interesting information and explanations regarding the $350,000 Terri gave her attorney for her defense of which Kaine may now get half, why DeDe’s appearance at that GJ was significant, why she was silent, what her probable plans are for cutting a deal, and who the only people are who can attend a GJ hearing.

If DeDe takes a plea agreement, which sounds likely, this case could be broken wide open, or at least give investigators much more solid leads/evidence. Another article I read said that DeDe hasn’t spoken with Terri recently, since LE really came down on her, and now her sheriff father is involved in guiding her. I don’t think she’s about to go down for Terri’s crime, and if she is involved, sees a plea agreement as a way to greatly lessen her own prison sentence.

The thing that really, really, *really* bothers me is that according to Capt Bruce McCain in this interview, her plea would be given “at a later time”… which would seem to me to mean that any information she has is probably not time-sensitive insomuch as getting Kyron out of the hands of abductors and back home. It *could* be… but it is hard to imagine someone being so cold-hearted as to wait for weeks to cut a deal so that any helpful information that could get Kyron home alive and well would be put far behind saving her own skin.

» Curiousmom said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 07:07:53 }

» Marica said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 07:07:04 }
Terri is driving around the back roads because the baby has an earache. So does this mens the baby was with her when she took Kyron to school?
An ear ache can indicate some serious problems. Why would she just cruise around, and not take the baby to a walk in clinic at the very least?

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This makes absolutely no sense to me. No wonder LE has been investigating her whereabouts that day.
If your baby is not feeling well because she has an earache, you give her Tylenol, or you take her home and snuggle her in bed, or you take her to the doctor……driving her around in a car on rural roads for an hour and a half and THEN dropping her off at the gym daycare while you work out for an hour and THEN finally going home is beyond hinky.
Plus, rural roads, at least in my mind, are bumpy, curvy, and have lots of stops and starts. If you really want to soothe your baby in the car, you get on the freeway and drive without stopping for a while until they fall asleep. Rural roads, to me = baby waking up repeatedly.”

I took a look at all those roads on Google Earth, and they aren’t just rural, but up and down mountainsides. With the constant change in elevation, those roads would be the last place to take a baby with an ear infection.

» Techmom … Slow thinker here.
Your comment was like a bolt of lightening hitting me.

“With the constant change in elevation”

Way to go Terri… “”"IF”"”, baby had an ear ache, the drive
on those mountain roads would do nothing bu cause
her more pain!

if DeDe was truly helping TH: yes it could be that she is her lesbian lover and could have assisted in something malicious, however she sort-of seems like the hippie-type to me and seems to have little respect for authority as she walked out of the GJ with that grin on her face.
I was thinking that TH, since she seems to be a compulsive liar and an attention-seeking narcissist, probably told her close friends some big lies about Kaine’s treatment of Kyron. Once she was caught up in her own web, she couldn’t very well admit the truth when a dear friend persuaded her to get Kyron out of that environment. In fact, TH probably enjoyed very much the plotting of the kidnapping.
I was having trouble thinking of any motive and scenario that would place Kyron as both alive and safe. until i saw George’s comment above about the underground child protection. and i agree with George that TH wouldn’t necessarily think of this to get Kyron out of the picture while keeping him safe. however, her friend/s WOULD after hearing TH’s big fat lies and TH would be happy to immerse herself in the further drama; continuing to play the martyered SM at the center of attention.
This is just my wishful thinking. I hope for Kyron’s safe return.

The problem with the doctor’s appointment being the following Friday is that the day Kyron went missing was the last day of school. Why would TH tell the school about a doctor’s appointment that was to occur a week after school was out for the summer?

No, stoney, it wasn’t. The last day of school at Skyline was June 15th.

Oh, you are right. I read that by someone else and didn’t do my homework. I stand corrected. Thanks.

To Techmom, Marica, etc. very excellent point. I live in Portland, and those roads out Skyline way are indeed curvy, a little tense in terms of curves and ups and down, your speed needs to adjust constantly -and quite frankly, a tad stressful for the driver -not only is it not the place to sooth an infant earache, but also not (as someone mentioned somewhere) a place to drive and chill and get your piece of mind together after [the horrible thing you just did]…just a hiding place, if anything.