Kyron Horman case: The pickup

Usually when an event such as this occurs we have the emergency call to evaluate for clues. It seems as though Terri did not want to be the one to make a recorded call.

Maybe the email to the teacher was an attempt to get the ball rolling and have the school notice that he was missing and them make a report. The teacher was probably too busy to get the email and respond before school dismissed. Terri, in her little world, may have expected an immediate response such as “after school” to which she could have replied “Tell Kyron I will pick him up with his project”. That would have alerted the school that he was supposed to be there and they would have to make the call and she would play the outraged parent.

All she had to tell Kaine about picking up the project was she was waiting for a reply from the teacher. When it did not come she was forced to go to the bus stop and had to try to act surprised. Even then she had the school secretary call the police and his mother as well.

Excellent Val, another strange piece to the puzzle….
I can think of one more reason why she would have taken the pickup instead of the car – recognizability (is that a word?). What I mean is, she might have thought that she wouldn’t be as easily recognized in a different vehicle as she would in *her* red mustang.
One thing that is confusing me, however, is your statement above that you think Kyron may have left prior to the 9:00 tour. I thought there was already confirmation that he did go on the tour (?). That’s why I’ve always thought she somehow instructed him to meet her at the truck when the tour was over. Has something changed that would lead us to believe he never even went on the tour?

Looking at the area on Googlearth, you can see old logging roads blocked by white metal bars. A person would need a pick-up truck to find a way around those bars in almost all of them that I can see by Googlearth. Along Skyline Drive there is a very likely old abandoned logging road…you can see where you might be able to “skirt” around one of those bars to the left of the bar…but you would need a pick-up or other such vehicle to do so. This particular road is almost completely covered by thick overhead tree branches and abruptly ends, dead, going to nowhere at all. If I lived in Oregon I’d be walking down that road right now. There are other such roads…a pick-up or other such vehicle would be needed and some of them are just plain impassable by pick-up or anything else other than by foot. Kyron is probably along or at the end of one of those roads. When you study the area by Googlearth…it is very discouraging.
But, this information, along with the tinted windows is my opinion about why Terry wanted a pick-up truck for the day.

Val;

That is too close IMO. I think they will find Kyron down the dirt road that guy saw her pulling out of. She had physical strength coppled with anger, hatred and rage. I remember I was so mad at my husband one day that I dug the footings for a 4000 square foot house all alone. These footings had to be 18″x 18″ I was that mad. So if she had this in her head, and then in her heart she buried him pretty good.

THey need to stay out there and not give up.

As far as the truck, it is rather generic and she probably needed the 4wheel drive to access the final resting place.

I have read somewhere that her online posting pattern changed for the prior day and that she was not on her computer as she usually was. Maybe she was scouting locations and meticulously making final arrangements.

She had to secure a site, exchange vehicles, take Kryon to school and photograph him beaming in front of said project, make sure he left backpack and jacket , mislead the teacher, lure Kyron back to the truck, visit a few stores for video confirmation, do the deed along the way and then wash the truck and return home to start posting. She had 4+ hours after leaving the school and really no need to involve anyone else.

The only flaw is that there was supposed to be outrage at the school for losing a child and the step-mom was going to be the victim. She could sue them and do the talk shows. The subsequent suicide/murder of her husband would further her victim status as well as her pocketbook.

This is probably a silly thought but does Kaines Truck have G P S .An if so can this be used to assertain the Trucks movements that day?

Hi, Valhall.

I thought Shelby said two teachers had seen Kyron that morning prior to 8:45am: Ms. Porter saw him in her classroom when he dropped off his jacket and backpack and an unnamed teacher who saw Kyron in a different classroom as he viewed science projects.

I don’t recall anyone saying Kyron and Terri were seen leaving the building together.

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I like your scenario whereby Terri tells Kyron to go out to the car and wait for her while Terri went to speak to Ms. Porter. That makes sense although it would have been risky if Kyron had met any friends on the way out to the parking lot.

the two teachers seeing Kyron & terri leaving together, that’s news to me, I thought it was a teacher seeing terri leaving alone . . .
do we have conflicting statements? some teachers saying they saw them leave together and some saying terri leaving alone?

also maybe terri didn’t tell Kryon ANYTHING about a dr. appointment until they were at the school and terri was ready to leave, she could have pulled him aside right then and there and told him she already talked to his teacher and he’s all set, to just go out to the truck and wait for her. . . . but wasn’t it ascertained that he had gone to the classroom, was put in a group and returned to view the projects with the group?
Did kyron have a watch on? did terri say “when your watch says 8:30 go to the truck, if I’m not there stay there, I’ll be right there”

being as dense as that area is, and seeing how terri had literally HOURS to dispose of stuff, i think it’s going to be like finding a needle in a haystack
I bet LE has looked at/or took shovels boots etc. from the Horman residence, hopefully Kaine can identify if any shovels or tools are missing and if there is any mud on the truck get samples . . . but LE has taken the truck 2X i would think they’ve gottne all the evidence they could have from it

Maura,

http://www.king5.com/news/local/NW-Portland-second-grader-still-missing-Saturday-95689114.html

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his mother and thought the two left school together. He said it was not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised.

As for the risk of Kyron being seen by a friend, it was not that large, nor was it that big a deal. If she convinced Kyron he had a doctor’s appointment he would have just said something to his friend, “I have to go to the doctor.” and went on to the vehicle. I think the main thing (assuming anything about my scenario is close to what happened) is that she wanted to keep any sighting of Kyron and then any sighting of her leaving the school building separated. Kyron waiting in the backseat of the pickup would have done it.

Valhall said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 09:07:43 }
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I agree with this. In my own scenario of Terry waiting in the truck for Kryon…what bothered me is that she so easily could have been seen sitting there alone. With Kyron getting to the truck first…that problem for Terry is solved. Terry goes out and jumps into the truck and drives away…no Kyron! Except that he WOULD be there…just not visible.

does anyone know where here daughter Kiara really was that day?

Val hal, excellent article & your scenario is plausible, I appreciate your insight as you make me think of things that I hadn’t considered.

A retired Captain w/Oregon Police gives interview & background information on the case. A video & article:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-terri-horman-boys-disappearance/story?id=11195628

Still praying for little Kyron, praying today will be the day.

I guess this is a rhetorical question, but I keep coming back to it, how the hell can anyone plan a course of action to do away with an innocent kid?

you know what bothers me, there is a video clip of terri with a woman, looks as though they are walking through a parking garage or something, and a reporter is trying to ask terri questions, terri has a backpack on and never even lifts her head up and she is cowering and hiding behind this other woman

it just bothers me and really drives home her involvment and knowledge of this that she is not answering the questions or denying her involvement or begging anyone to please go look for her stepson since she has the camera in front of her and the opportunity to do so.

innocent people do not hide like that. not imo.

@ WSH, I’m right there with you. I can’t wrap my brain around it. It’s a sacred trust. I can’t even imagine THINKING it let alone actually DOING it. Who could look into a child’s face and go through with it?

Doesn’t matter, as you say, but geez….the strongest human instinct beyond actually making babies is to protect them.

Did you know that red cars are pulled over by police far more than any other color?

Wow…Valhall your scenario explains many things I had not even thought of and seems so on spot. I’m just hoping the detectives have a lot of evidence but are taking their time building their case as was done with Diane Downs.

If she had the baby with her, she would have had to open the back door to get her in the car seat. Maybe Kyron was not visible on the other side of the car seat. But, why would he get in the back seat anyway? If she told him to go to the truck he would have got in the front. Unless she told him to go wait in the truck and sit in the back seat?

Karen Lee,

The proper transportation of children in vehicles with passenger and side air bags is for the children to ride in the back seat.

You didn’t know that???

» WSH said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 10:07:24 }

I guess this is a rhetorical question, but I keep coming back to it, how the hell can anyone plan a course of action to do away with an innocent kid?
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Doesn’t even need to be a sociopath…just someone who can shut their whole thought process down and “go somewhere else” in their mind. All the planning is just analytical thinking…mental chess playing. Things get pretty emotional in the truck on the way to the spot where it’s been planned to happen so that is where detachment begins. Any conversation or questions by Kyron just become annoying and begin to sink away into background noise…even poor Kyron would know that Mommy isn’t acting as she usually does. When he gets out of the truck on some ruse…she just approaches him from behind and those arms are strong enough to simply hug him around the neck too hard. Doesn’t look at his face because, by then, he is just an object and there is no going back to make him anything other than an object.
The person’s mind is not on the task…it goes somewhere else and only comes back in a hurried, busy state to hide what was done and get out…take some deep breaths and be careful!…of there as quickly as possible. Putting distance between the self and the deed and nothing else in the world has changed and everything looks the same. How she looks over at the seat where he was last sitting is impossible for me to comprehend.
But, I have been able to actually reach a sort of “place” something like this on the few occasions while driving a beloved animal to the vet, knowing it is going to be put to sleep due to illness that is only going to prolong death and cause suffering. I HAD to shut out conscious thought and just DO. Living every little second and minute sort of “outside” myself. Later, I couldn’t even remember how I got to the vet’s office…couldn’t remember lights or stops, etc. On the way home in the car, just seeing the empty blanket on the passenger seat where I last held the animal in my arms to say goodbye was one of the worst parts! Oh my god, even now I am crying at remembering.
But, Kyron was a child…so, how could a person do it and by their own hand? I can’t imagine but people are made of different stuff. And some people must be able to detach and STAY there in a world of their own making I guess.
It’s also possible that there are those who just enjoy the idea of doing something they have never done before just to see how it feels to them. Now, we’re getting way out there beyond what I can understand but there are people like that. Or someone liking the feeling of a rush or the excitement they get when they do something ultimately forbidden. That’s another one that’s beyond my understanding.
I guess my life’s experiences can’t really answer this question…but, like you said, it might be rhetorical…but still makes us wonder HOW someone could interact with a happy child knowing that they are about to end that life…and then face and live through the minutes that follow such a thing. Some people might just be masquerading as people when deep down inside they aren’t really human at all.

I disagree with that detective who says the case is stalled until they find a body or a live Kyron. If LE has enough circumstantial evidence they will go ahead and bring it to trial. People seem to forget that DNA evidence is new and virtually ALL murder trials in the past were held without DNA evidence. The number of cases without bodies has been steadily increasing over the years, too. Circumstantial evidence seems to have many people thinking that it’s nothing without DNA to back it up and I just disagree, is all.

This is the first mention of the carseat that I’ve read about and it’s been a nagging thought of mine for awhile. As a “Nana” of a 6 year old and a 19 month old, it’s kind of a job to exchange carseats for the kiddos and get them in there securely. Both kids would require a different type and they take up most of the backseat. Kyron could be in a booster, depending upon his weight-although he looks like a little guy) but Kiara would have to be in the large harness type. I wonder if they have 2 carseats for each vehicle or if the stepmom took the time (at least 15 min for me and that’s with lotsa practice) that morning to remove the carseats from her Mustang and put them in the truck. Then the seats would need to be transferred again for the trip to get ice cream and then the drive to biological Mom’s (unless they planned to take the truck for all these trips). Maybe the carseat thought isn’t even relavent- but whenever I’m transporting my grandbabies, it’s a factor in deciding which vehicle we take and what the plans for the rest of the day will entail.

While I have not been regularly following the Kyron story, from what I have heard it appears that Terri is as much a psychopath as Casey Anthony in that her behavior and actions that day would lead a reasonable person to believe that she played a primary role in the senseless murder of her young and defenseless stepson.

I had read somewhere that even though the children went to their classroom at 9:00 am, and went together as a class to all the different classrooms that were set up with science fair exhibits, then they went back to their classroom. The teacher said that she did not do roll until 10:00 am that morning due to the fair. So, I wonder if she noticed whether Kyron was with the rest of her class when they did the tour?

Val,

I like your simple, straightforward explanation of the need for a truck that day. It sounds like you believe SM acted alone.

I am still fixated on the “coincidence” of the woman seen idling in a white truck on a dead-end cul de sac not far from the school at around 3:00 P.M. June 4th, and again around 2:00 A.M. the next day. Couldn’t have been TH. If this is related to Kyron’s disappearance, then there would have been an accomplice. If so, was a second white truck coincidental, or somehow part of the plan?

Mme. C

Val do you know if Kaines van was fitted with Global Positioning Sattlelite system.It being his work van I presume it was.Is it possable to use the GPS like a cell phone pings an find out were it was.Or to download the info in it an asertain were it went to?

@ Mimi – excellent theory on how such a heinous act might be rationalized…I would just like to suggest that perhaps Terri’s hatred of Kaine might have strengthened her will or somehow enabled her to carry out the deed.

Needing the truck for all-terrain maneuvering made a lot of sense to me.

The best account that I have read before this one states that, “…two teachers saw Kyron and Terri together that morning at the science fair, and they THOUGHT they left together.”

I didn’t like the ambiguity of the word, “thought,” because it sounds presumptive. Did these teachers see Kyron and Terri exit the school together around the time that Terri claims she left? Did these teachers see Kyron and Terri in the parking lot and heading to the truck around the time that Terri claims she left? Matt Shelby’s statement about teachers who “thought” they left together is vague and non-specific.

In this post, Val mentions the possibility the children were in the truck with Terri when “Chas” saw her pull onto Highway 30. This is the first time I am considering this because I figured by the time she got to the highway, Kyron was already gone. I mean, where was she headed WITH Kyron if he was still in the truck with her?

From looking at the map of the area, I guessed that if she left Skyline with Kyron and drove in Northerly direction up:

NW Skyline Blvd.
(Past NW Cornelius Pass Rd.)
(Past NW Logie Trail Rd.)
Right (East) on Rocky Point Rd.
Right (South) on Highway 30.

…to where “Chas”, the eye-witness, sees her, that Kyron could be anywhere between NW Logie Trail Rd., and Highway 30, especially if once she got as far North as Rocky Point Rd., she first took a left (West) in order to dispose of Kyron, and then backtracked, East on Rocky Point Rd. to Highway 30.

In fact, heading North on NW Skyline Blvd., it ends (T-intersection) at Rocky Point Rd., and heading West on Rocky Point Rd., depending on how well these roads are traveled, there are numerous locations that could be possible dropping off/disposal points. For instance, heading West on Rocky Point Rd. from NW Skyline Blvd, there is NW Moran Rd. which goes South to an apparent dead end. This is where Rocky Point Rd. turns into NW Dixie Mountain Rd. Then, further past NW Moran Rd., is NW Hansen Rd. which only travels South, and interestingly is where a reservoir is located. I wonder if they have searched the HOWARD SCHMIDT RESERVOIR, here.

My point is that it doesn’t make sense, at least to me, that from Skyline, Terri would drive that far North and then still have Kyron in the truck when she headed back South on Highway 30, essentially going in a circle.

BTW, Val, I just wanted to say that I love reading what you write. You always have the most thought provoking insights.

“I am still fixated on the “coincidence” of the woman seen idling in a white truck on a dead-end cul de sac not far from the school at around 3:00 P.M. June 4th, and again around 2:00 A.M. the next day.” Madame Clouseau

You’re right, it couldn’t have been Terri since she was home @ 3 P.M., and probably @ 2 A.M., since that would be too risky.

How hard can it be for LE to find the woman and this other white truck IF it wasn’t involved in Kyron’s disappearance in order to rule it out? With the widespread attention this case has received, chances are a public request for that woman to come forward to verify her presence (and purpose) should do the trick, unless this woman with this truck do not want to be found, and indeed are related to Kyron’s disappearance.

in reading through the thread, I thought that maybe TH needed to “change” Kiara or something along those lines and left alone ( with Kiara). Maybe she had told Kyron ” I have to go change Kiara, so look at 5 more exibits and then meet me in the truck so we can go to your Dr. appointment.”
It would be nice to know whether Kiara was with TH that day… if not was she maybe left at the gym daycare while the deed was being carried out….
so many unanswered questions in this case.

Great post… here are my thoughts.. There has been so much written about why the school didn’t call home when they noticed Kyron missing.. why would that be a concern if Terri had told the teacher that she was taking Kyron out for a doctor’s appointment? The thing that keeps nagging at me is the talent contest. Nobody talks about it. So much todo about the sceince project.. Kaine says when he last saw Kyron he wished him luck on the sceince project etc. etc. Kyron was also scheduled to be in a talent contest that afternoon.. Nobody wished him luck on that? Kaine was home from work early and Terri doesn’t work.. yet nobody goes to the school to watch the talent contest?

I still say, even now, July 19th, that LE knows little more than we do. According to a former Portland LE Officer, they just don’t have enough clues to determine if they’re looking for an alive or dead Kyron.

Kaine and Desiree are only in “alive” mode, yet, and if a third party is involved who assisted Terri, I can’t imagine how hard it would be to weed through all of her contacts prior to June 4th to conduct investigations and pinpoint who this other accomplice is.

About the truck… evidently it was towed, due to mechanical problems that day, but was back home shortly thereafter… I read about that a few times, but not much was talked about it. What were the mechanical problems? Where was it towed from? When was it towed? Who worked on it? Had it been cleaned before it made its way back home?

Since the truck was a 4 wheel drive, it is very possible that she went off the road somewhere. I wonder if any dirt was collected from the undercarriage?
And would all the soil be basically the same in that area?
I think the reason they are saying that Kyron is alive is because there is no evidence pointing to death. If she had planned his demise ahead of time, it wouldn’t have taken her long to put her plans in action and dispose of him.
And then her other plans were put into play to be seen at the store and she could have had plenty of time to get home by 1PM.

As far as GPS, it generally comes as an add on unless it was a top model and fully loaded. So it would depend on that information. My truck was fully loaded, but with a man using it for hauling on the amount of acreage he has and as a work truck, it may not have had GPS.
Oh and my truck did have a keyed place to turn the passenger side airbag off. So my grandson did ride in the front with his carseat. But checked with my nephew who is a hwy patrol and he said it was fine if the airbag was turned off.
I might get stopped but when they seen the airbag turned off they would let me go and it being a pickup. So he did ride in the back seat and front seat.
But I am sure she had both of the kids in the back seat and if so, they couldn’t be seen from outside of the truck because of the tint on the windows.
I am wondering if Kira was alsleep and she left her in the truck. With the weather being cool and her plans on leaving so soon after she got there.
Since no one has mentioned seeing her. Or if they did see her have made no mention of it.
It would take a evil person to plan on having her husband killed, so I am thinking that she was evil enough to kill Kyron without giving it much thought.

Val – I think you are mis-understanding the quote about the 2 teachers who saw Terri with Kyron.

“Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his mother and T H O U G H T the two left school together.”

I am emphasizing “thought” because when that quote came out – the way it was described was that 2 teachers had seen Kyron WITH Terri around the fair, and then when he turned up missing, they both ASSUMED that he had left with Terri. Not that they SAW he had left.

Good point all on the language used by Mr. Shelby. Refer back to my article on why was Kyron not accounted for (i.e. why was a call to his parents not made). In that article I state I feel like everything Shelby has stated is a CYA statement and he is has not given positive input in the situation concerning Kyron’s disappearance. So I appreciate you pointing out that I misstated Mr. Shelby’s statement. In fact, his statement was a nonstatement. He didn’t say a damned thing except something that vaguely appeared to “excuse” why the school didn’t call the parents.

You are right…them THINKING they left together is not the same as them believing they saw them leave together. And I think Mr. Shelby’s ambiguous wording was meant to cause that very confusion.

I fell for it.

lol

P.S. I’ll make a correction to that phrasing when I get home.

Mimi… I like your post about the Google-earth view of the remote roads in the area.. If I were the bio-mom and dad.. I would have pulled out Google-earth after the offical search was completed, then pulled out my boots and gone searching myself.. I’d still be doing so infact… why aren’t they? Do they believe someone has Kyron? What does Kaine mean when he says he believes that there is a third person involved now… Terri and two others? And what does he mean by “based on briefings” police briefings? He never says that. Also about the man and other witness who said they saw someone who looked like Terri in a white pickup on a remote road? Didn’t they say they say they witnessed it at 3:00pm and 1:00am? Terri was with Kaine at 3:00pm.. and I doubt she would have left the house without Kaine’s knowledge at 1:00am on the day they discovered Kyron was missing.. ? Unless this was the day before?

george said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 03:07:02
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I agree with you. What you said about Kyron no longer being in the truck by the time Terry emerged from those woodsy roads and entered Route 30. I have had the same exact thought for some time now. Studying the area, Terry had several much easier ways to get to Route 30 if she wanted to use Route 30 to reach somewhere else. Sauvie Island is reached by way of Route 30…why approach Sauvie Island from the north of the island? (If the man who says he saw a red haired woman in a pick-up truck is correct.)
Terry made a phone call from the north area but I still think this is a “throw the cops off in the wrong direction” call that she made purposely. Her interest in all things detective-wise, to me, means she is NOT stupid enough to make a phone call anywhere near where she last left Kyron. If she was coordinating with another person I think she is smart enough to have purchased a throw-away-phone ahead of time.
If Terry entered Route 30 from those woods…and then headed south…she had to have SOME reason to cut through those woods in the first place. (It’s about the longest route she could have taken to Route 30….why go that way?) The only logical reason she would do that would be to kill time and I doubt she was killing much time that day. Her object was not Route 30 or Sauvie Island that day, IMO….that’s just where she emerged after she “completed her objective” IMO.

“…yet nobody goes to the school to watch the talent contest?” Sjso

Hmmm.

AND, didn’t a teacher notice Kyron gone by the time the talent show began? Didn’t anyone ask anyone, “Where is Kyron?” Did anyone explain that he was absent due to an appointment? …or wonder if he was out sick?

For such a small school, not many seemed to have communicated or demonstrated concern about an absent child. Most likely, they are not accustomed to the possibility of a child being missing.

“…due to mechanical problems that day,…” Sjso

Uhm, I didn’t think the towing took place June 4th. Correct me if I am wrong, but mechanical problems with the truck resulting in a tow (the starter?) occurred since June 4th.

You want to see evil, go to Just For Chat and read about the 4 yr old girl in NC.
I just posted the story there.

Mimi said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 04:07:17 }
george said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 03:07:02

I agree. They need to be searching in that area. Look for off roads tracks made by the truck. But Maybe they have and we don’t know it

Mimi,

I didn’t even think of a throw away phone. Wow.

As far as the cell phone pings (which Maura wrote about so well in Val’s post, “Was Terri on Hwy 30 June 4th?”, the way I understood it was that if Terri did indeed travel the way I note above up NW Skyline Blvd. to Rocky Point Rd., any cell phone use along this path would have pinged that Sauvie Island tower.

Now, I was also under the impression, when it comes to cell phone pings, that a ping is registered outgoing and INCOMING. Is this not correct? If someone elsewhere were to call Terri and she was in the area of Sauvie Island, would not that tower be a receptacle (registering a ping) to transfer the signal to HER location?

Right George… when my kids were little they were in several school talent shows.. I might add that they were more excited “or nervous” about preforming in a talent contest, then they ever were standing next to their science fair poster-boards. From the looks of the poster-board display, Terri and/or Kaine probably slaved over the project more than Kyron. Sometimes when parents want a project to look perfect it causes anxiety in kids (from my own experience). If what the parent wants is over the kid’s natural creative ability it can make the kid shutdown, become cranky and unwilling to work with the parent, thus the parent ends up doing most of it. In fact Terri could have done most of the work, and was angry with Kaine and Kyron for not stepping up… (another learned experience.. lol) Futhermore,

I would suspect a teacher or other kids were expecting Kyron to pull his weight in the talent contest. I would think they might wonder why he wasn’t there, which unless the teacher thought Kyron was home because of his appointment, should have caused concern.

I think a phone “pings” just by being on.. no calls need to be made one way or the other.

george said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 04:07:02 }
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I have never gotten that cell phone stuff through my head. Good point…if someone called Terry but she wouldn’t answer the phone…would it ping anyway? Does anybody know? My “logic” tells me that it would ping even if she ignored the call but I don’t know for sure.
(Kind of like that “if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it…etc…
But, I had not thought about…even ONE time, giant DUH!…that somebody might have called her. In which case it might or might not be related to the “activities of the day.”

sjso said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 03:07:47 }
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With the way Googlearth is now and how you can actually “drive” along the roads in the “street view” feature…I can’t figure out why family members are not searching. If lived in that area I would be burning up the Googlearth and the streets and tanks of gas without let up and I don’t even know Kyron. If I were his parent, I would investigate every last logging road for miles and driving LE mad with my suggestions. Any logging road I saw where a pick-up could weasel through around those white bars would be good enough for me …but CL Minor must be right…LE MUST be doing this, right? I wouldn’t go down those roads on foot but would sure take a peek and see if there were recent tire tracks beyond the white poles. Poking too far into places like that in Oregon might get a person shot…plus the potential for messing up evidence, etc…but I sure would have to look for likely spots if he was my child. It’s possible LE has told Kaine and Desiree not to do this. Tire tracks fade…or get rained away…it would be all I could do to just sit and wait.

sjso said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 04:07:43 }
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Well, no, I don’t think so. At least that is how I understood by the explaining was done on the Anthony case. A call has to be made either way, I’m sure…but I don’t know what happens if the call is not answered.

If your cell phone is on and someone is trying to get a hold of you, then your phone will actually ping to the closest tower.” The ping limits the location to the cell tower’s reach, which can be several miles.

I agree Mimi… Initally, I heard the reason the family wasn’t searching was because the police didn’t want them on the scene they were searching… However, I think the search has been over for quite sometime… not to mention that police asked citizens who owned remote property to search their properties themselves. I too would be out every day on every road, looking behind every bush… Google Earth is a fantasic tool… No one has answered my question about what they think Kaine meant by “based on briefings” he believes a third person is involved.. Terri and two others? I have to believe that they are not out searching remote roads because of their “briefings” to believe Kyron is alive out there.

I wonder how Kyron’s science project was delivered to the school? Was it the car or the truck?

Valhall said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 11:07:36

Sorry Val. I do know that. Kyron is still too small. I was just thinking of my older and bigger kids and how they fight for the front seat. Brain fart.

Also if she did pull off the road, LEO could tell it was Kaine’s truck by checking the tread of the tires. And if anyone pulled in on top of them it could destory the original treads made in the mud. I recall that it rained there for a week in June so if she had a grave dug, it would have been impossible to cover the grave with dirt with a shovel.
Unless it was a shallow grave.
Gosh I just wished they would find something to make an arrest. Altho, I know they are going to be a search by the independent team this week end. I wonder where they are going to search. The fellow was asking for volenteers on line. I posted the link yesterday on the other thread.

…LE had the truck twice. i’m sure if it did have a GPS system they have all of the info off of that. as well as the tire prints,all ‘evidence’ from the interior and any dirt,leaves, etc from the under carriage.

..i recall “in the beginning” it was said that the talent show was primarily for the students—–so not a “red flag” that either parent didn’t attend.

..i believe what kaine meant when he referred to a “third person being involved” —it would be just one additional person/accomplice ( kyron and terri being #’s 1 and 2.) it’s hard to say what he meant, when he knows what was said in the “briefings” and we don’t.

..stated also in the beginning was that kaine and kyron worked together on the project—-terri said on facebook that she just did the laminating.

…of note——–re: the white truck sighting——–white is THE most common truck colour.

» ellejay said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 06:07:08 }

..i believe what kaine meant when he referred to a “third person being involved” —it would be just one additional person/accomplice ( kyron and terri being #’s 1 and 2.) it’s hard to say what he meant, when he knows what was said in the “briefings” and we don’t.
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I am hopeful because what we have learned so far continues to be expanded by such statements as this. I’m hoping it means that LE still has a lot to follow up on regarding cell phone records, hard drives, tips called in and interviews. I hope NOT that information like this is only something that was determined long ago and Kaine is just now being allowed to announce it. Dang, ellejay…are you sure that the statement above doesn’t mean that it was Terry with one accomplice and now they suspect a second accomplice which would be Terry and 2 others involved? That’s how I took that statement but I am often wrong in how interpret things.

I’m not sure why LE hasn’t arrested Terri on a solicitation of murder charge. They have the landscaper’s story and, presumably, some type of info to back it up……at least, enough to warrant an attempt to get Terri on tape.
I guess maybe they are waiting to get more specific info? Or, maybe they just don’t think the landscaper’s story is enough?
If they have her in jail, they have a bargaining tool and control over where she goes and what she does. Right now, there’s nothing preventing her from leaving Oregon, destroying evidence, whatever.
Maybe they have left her out because they believe Kyron is safer with Terri out of jail? Maybe they think he is still alive, and with her out of jail, they might be able to keep him alive?

Wouldn’t surprise me to learn Terri left the little girl in her car seat in the truck while she was inside the school. Give baby a toy, and some munchies.. and Mommy will be right back… Kyron is old enough to sit in the front passenger seat. Right ?

Thanks Ellejay for clearing up the talent contest thing.. it was really starting to bug me! lol… Yes, I too was confused about the thrid party thing… because a few days ago Kaine said he thought there might be “another person” invovled, then a couple of days ago he started saying a third person… I wish he didn’t need to talk in riddles.. either LE says he can talk about something or not… connect the dots… read between the lines… crazy!

I’d like to clarify that I actually did NOT mean to insinuate I believe the children were in the truck when “Chas” saw the pickup on Hwy 30. I was only making the point that if either or both of the children were, he most likely would not have seen them. Even if Kyron was not there, Kiara would have been. My main point was to point THAT out…that the absence of Chas seeing a child (or children) in the backseat does not mean it wasn’t Terri.

Sorry for the confusion. IF (and that’s a big if) Chas really did see Terri pulling out on Hwy 30 north of Logie Trail Road, then my guess would be Kyron is some where in a vast expanse of forest.

I really am having a hard time buying any scenario that puts the onus of making it to the parking lot at a specific time on Kyron. I don’t care whether it is a theory of Terri saying at a certain time…or Terri saying “this number of projects”…or Terri saying when they start gathering in class. If you are trying to pull off the disappearance of a child in a crowded school, you are not going to leave ANYTHING to the timekeeping abilities or the decision-making process of a 7 year old. You are going to ensure they are where they need to be.

This is the main reason I believe Terri sent Kyron to the truck before she left the school. There’s no question there. AND, if she did, in fact, leave Kiara in the pick up while they were viewing the projects (and let’s get it straight, that could have been as little as 15 to 20 minutes based on reported witness accounts), then she could have said – go get in the truck with your sister and make sure she is okay. I’m checking you out of school for your doctor’s appt, and I’ll be right there.

Then all she had to do was hold back until she felt that if ANYONE saw her leaving, they would see her leave alone.

…going back over kaine’s comment:

“The father of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman said he now believes there was someone else aiding his estranged wife with his son’s disappearance.

Missing Kyron’s dad Kaine Horman can move back into the family home. Kaine Horman, who was able to move back into the family’s Portland home with the help of a judge’s order, declined to say exactly why he believes a third party involved, but told The Oregonian in a statement that his opinion was “based upon briefings.”

……i had at 1st took the “someone else” to be one additional person, assissting terri.

..however, it could also mean that the 1st party involved referred to the landscaper, the 2nd, the sext-maniac.

…and so now the ‘new’ third party—–would be yet another “friend/acquaintance” of terri’s ( that kaine again knew nothing about ) —–until LE “briefed” him about this myssteryX person.

…which they could have uncovered through cell phone records, indepth searching of her computer, anonymous tipsters ——something that shows them that terri had a lot of communication with X.

..as usual—-hello square one, nice to see you again

Yes, the cell phone will ping if there is an unanswered incoming call.

Val I am in the same picture as you. Maybe the little girl was asleep in her carseat in the back seat. Terri tells Kyron to go out and sit with her and then she comes out later.
Being at a small school, it would not be necessary to lock the truck doors. Nothing ever happened there to be afraid that someone would get her out of the car.
In my neighborhood, I never lock my car and most of the time my back door stays unlocked. So in a small country type setting, it wouldn’t be a big think to leave the doors unlocked. I still don’t think that there are any others involved in this part of the crime but Terri. And I will be glad to eat my words if proven wrong.

ellejay said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 08:07:37
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Of course, one of those persons could be the one who might have called Terry on her cell phone…or vice versa.
Remember the older man neighbor who said LE arrived AGAIN at his property to ask if he was “the family” they were looking for? That was during the second search of the area directly south of Kyron’s school…very close to the school. I wonder if this mysterious family (who we have not heard another word about) could be involved and has Kyron? I swear, if that little boy is still with us I am going to buy 5 bottles of champagne and get blitz-oed all by myself! And mail him about 10 plush red-eyed tree frogs to sleep with every night.

Yeah, I don’t know how many times we need to go over the list of reasons the family should NOT go out searching for Kyron:

1. destruction of evidence,
2. being the person who finds him,
3. being the person who walks by him, misses him, and then he is later found in a location they were known to have searched.

Families of missing people should NOT be involved in ground searches of the loved one missing.

Valhall said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 08:07:57 }
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Thanks for answering that Val. Makes sense as the phone is using energy produced from it’s own battery within and energy projected from the cell tower. One day I will understand the cell phone thing completely, maybe…but don’t tell me to go back and read previous thread in the Hinky meter because it was over my head!

To my knowledge the GPS system on a vehicle does not “log”. In other words, if you have Onstar or a similar system you can be tracked real-time, but there isn’t some vast database recording positions of vehicles. Unless there is an onboard residual memory of GPS locations, the answer would be no.

marica: ” Kyron is old enough to sit in the front passenger seat. Right ?”

….no, if deployed, the force of the air bags could seriously injure, even decapitate a child under the age of 12.

..the back seat on this type of truck, F250, has 4 doors and a large back seat, big enough for the 2 kids.

Mimi,

It’s this simple. Your cell phone won’t ring unless it receives a ping from a tower. If you are out in the middle of Death Valley (assuming no towers there) and some one tries to call you, your phone will not ring and it won’t log against a cell tower. The minute your phone:

rings
receives an alert for a waiting voicemail
receives an alert for a missed call
receives a text

it’s pinging against a cell tower.

Right, we covered that Kyron should not have been transported in the front seat what with the truck having a passenger side airbag and possible side air bags. But add to that that if we are talking about Terri being to the point she KILLED KYRON, she is not going to have him in the front seat with her. She is going to relegate him behind her so she doesn’t have to look at him or be near him. IN ADDITION, IF she was trying to leave the school parking lot without being seen WITH Kyron, she would have had him in the backseat.

This is as simple as placing Kiara’s diaper bag in the passenger seat…Kyron goes to the backseat. But most likely he has always gone to the backseat.

I disagree and believe that families should search if an amount of time passes and the missing person is not found. I know of a case where a man is legally blind, yet he got out searching alone daily, in all sorts of weather. The whole town and surrounding areas were asked to search their property as well. After several years the woman was finally found by a hunter just a short distance away from where the family had searched. If they had only went back a little farther on this abandoned property which obviously the company that owned it did not care and did not send anyone in to search their entire property. Much evidence will also be lost if a body is never found or totally decomposed into skeleton.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/post_32.html

Multnomah County sheriff, DA to ask for about $438,000 to support Kyron Horman inquiry

Looks like they are still working on solving the case

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/post_32.html

The sheriff’s office is requesting $242,609 to support the salary of a one-year investigative technician and to cover four months of overtime, from July through October.

In its request to the board, the sheriff’s office says it has generated more than 3,000 leads that have filled 38 4-inch binders and has subpoenaed 200 sets of records, each record generating from 10 pages to hundreds of pages of paper records. Phone, e-mail, computer, financial and school records likely would be among the material subpoenaed, criminal justice experts say.

A lead investigator, two detectives and an investigative technician are assigned to examine all the records. The sheriff’s office is asking for overtime funding for the four positions through October.

[EDITED BY VALHALL: Don't want to get into a trend where commenters quote entire articles here. Proper thing is link and snippet. Thanks!]

I absolutely do not agree that Kaine’s statement about a “third party” being involved means he thinks two other people helped Terri. “Third party” means a party outside the entity being referenced. It does not mean “three parties”. It’s standard language in referring to outside council, contractor, service provider. You have to remember, Kaine is a manager…this is business talk invading his press statement.

Vicki,

We’re not talking about years. We’re not talking about cold case. I’m not at least, but you are. Families should not be involved in ground searches in an active investigation. Once the case goes cold…it’s an entirely different ballgame.

As for Kaine’s belief, based on LE briefings, that Terri had an accomplice, what I notice is that neither Kaine nor Desiree (to my knowledge) are claiming LE believes Terri had an accomplice; rather, it’s their own interpretation of what LE has told them.

I’m cynical because I believe Kyron is dead. My interpretation of Kaine’s statement is

*LE has told the family that they have no evidence whatsoever that Kyron is dead,

*Terri has been closely watched and has had no opportunity to visit Kyron should he be imprisoned somewhere only she knows about (and now she’s moved 170 miles away),

*Therefore, if Kyron is alive and there was no plan to kill him, then either Terri, acting alone, has him imprisoned by himself somewhere with enough food and water to last a long time or Terri left him with an accomplice who has been taking care of him and keeping him out of the public eye. The latter would be far more likely than the former (if either is true).

Kaine and Desiree desperately want to believe Kyron is alive and will come home someday, and their hope really requires a theory of the case that involves another person working with Terri to keep Kyron hidden.

I agree, Maura.

» Ellejay said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 08:07:05 }
if deployed, the force of the air bags could seriously injure, even decapitate a child under the age of 12.
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Thnx for the info. I am so far behind the times.
Haven’t had a child in my car in ages, and even
so my old beater is way to old to have air bags.
My kids are so thoughtful that when I take one
of the wee ones somewhere, I get to drive their
nice vehicles, because mine doesn’t even have
A/C!!!!

mimi… what older man are you referring to when you said…. “Remember the older man neighbor who said LE arrived AGAIN at his property to ask if he was “the family” they were looking for? That was during the second search of the area directly south of Kyron’s school…very close to the school. I wonder if this mysterious family (who we have not heard another word about) could be involved and has Kyron?…. I’ve been following this story pretty closely and don’t know about this.. can you please explain it to me a bit more? I don’t understand.. and would like to.. Thanks.

Valhall said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 08:07:41 }

Just an FYI about residual memory in some GPS units. Mine had the option to turn on a feature called ‘bread crumbs’, which do leave a little trail of where you’ve been so you can retrace your route. Handy when I’m in a new city.

I have only noticed the option to turn it on per trip, but I can check the manual to see if there is a setting to leave it on. Mine also stores ‘recent routes’ without prompting if I type in a new address then follow the directions to it.

If the truck has a GPS, how well does Terri know how to use it? I doubt she’d turn the bread crumb feature on for this trip, that’s for sure. But, Kaine may have had the option on regularly.

» sjso said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 10:07:31 }
mimi… what older man are you referring to when you said…. “Remember the older man neighbor who said LE arrived AGAIN at his property to ask if he was “the family” they were looking for?

………she was probably referring to this article:
Searchers Return To Area Near Skyline School
Crews Seen Focusing On People With Pickup Trucks, Neighbors Say

http://www.kptv.com/news/24248542/detail.html

(snipped from article).

“One man, who wished to be identified only as Roger, said investigators came to his home within the past week on a tip.

“A big SUV showed up with a couple of people in it; they wanted to know if I was this certain family,” he said. “They had a tip why they wanted to talk to this family. That’s all they told me.”

Geez Val, I feel like you just punched me in the stomach. Thinking about containers and shovels in the back of the truck and TH”s evil plan…I guess that paragraph really brought things into focus for me. Poor Kyron. This case is becoming more horrible than Caylee Anthony’s and I never thought I could find anything more revolting than Casey Anthony but when I think of Casey killing Caylee-in my mind at least, I see it as an act of rage.
In Kyron’s case it seems to be the opposite. This woman planned this for who knows how long and most likely in cold blood killed Kyron Horman. Why? I don’t really expect to ever get an answer on the why but it is the question that keeps popping into my head. I just don’t understand how, as a human being someone could be so cold and unfeeling to kill anyone or anything let alone a child.

Thanks ElleJay.. I thought I’d read just about everything there was to read regarding this case, but hadn’t seen that report. Interesting… wonder what family they are looking for and why they keep thinking it’s Rogers family… LE is keeping everything really close to their chest.. which I know, as hard as it is for us to wait, it is best for Kyron that they do.

I know this is the wrong place, but I won’t say a lot about it. I just wanted to reitterate a post above by CLMinor regarding the North Carolina 4 year old girl, Teghan Skiba. There has been a change in circumstances. She died Monday night, only hours ago. Please follow this current link to see a picture of this lovely little girl who will never see her 5th birthday.

http://johnston.mync.com/site/johnston/news/story/53654/sheriff-more-charges-possible-in-torture-case

I’ve been reading about Kyron on different sites but you guys seem to have the best theories. Just wanted to say so.

Unbelievable story, George, and so very sad.

Too many sorrowful events. Hard too keep up with
all and keep everything straight in my old head.

THINKING, after reading the post a second time:

Terri made sure Kyron’s jacket and backpack were left in his room.
Wondering, if maybe she expected the school to call and check on
why Kyron had not returned to classes at some point that day.
She would then claim she had not taken him with her, and claim
the teacher was confused about the doctors appointment.
This didn’t happen, and she couldn’t call the school and rattle their
cage, so she emails the teacher about getting the project.. thinking
this will jog the teachers mind.. Then Kaine comes home and she has
to come up with a new plan.. getting Kaine to walk to the bus stop
with her so she can become panicked in his presence.
Late, head is working well, so may not have conveyed my thoughts well.

Thanks, Potato. I believe that would be onboard memory though…not stored in a remote database. Check your manual and let us know what you find out.

Marica,

In response to your question about why Terri wouldn’t have gone back and gotten the backpack and jacket. I am seriously coming to the conclusion that Terri DID want the school to become suspicious. That’s why I still do not accept (for certain, and I won’t until law enforcement confirms it) that she made the statement to Ms. Porter on Friday morning that Kyron had a doctor’s appointment that day.

See…to me, all the actions of Terri seem to point toward WANTING the school to notice him gone.

1. Backpack and jacket allegedly (by the way, I don’t believe this has ever been confirmed) in classroom,
2. Unnecessary email to Ms. Porter about when to pick up science fair project.

Those actions go toward trying to get the school to inform her that Kyron is missing (at least in my mind). That’s why the whole doctor’s appointment statement on Friday morning does not fit right now. And until that is confirmed by law enforcement, I’m having a hard time fitting it in.

I will wait to hear law enforcement state that Ms. Porter, FOR SURE, believes Terri told her that morning of a doctor’s appointment.

Val, This is what I was trying to say and couldn’t get it outta my head.
I am thinking she expected the school to contact her before Kaine got back…
When no one called, she had to have Kaine go with her to the bus stop
so he would witness her shock at Kyron not being on the bus.. We have
wondered why both walked to the bus stop to meet Kyron that day and I
am thinking part of her plan that day fell apart when the school didn’t
contact her. I think she was trying to set the school up to be responsible.
She wanted the truck to bring the project home, but thought the school
would discover Kyron wasn’t there, probably within a couple hours.
Wonder what excuse she gave Kaine for not bringing the project home.
Anyway.. you are putting my thoughts into words that I just can’t seem to
convey. Thnx Val.. You are awesome.. Your crystal ball works great from
600 miles away, or I am thinking like you do.

The one reason I think the backpack & coat were retrieved from the classroom (or elsewhere,) is because they weren’t included in the pictures of replicas of Kyron’s clothes. Everything else was, including his shoes and then later, his glasses.

The fact that LE did not release pictures of his coat & the pack for identification seem to mean that they do not believe Kyron had them with him and they’d been recovered somewhere.

And I still really want to know what was in the backpack. Did Terri pack Kyron a lunch or snacks for the 4th? Were all of the usual things he’d take daily in there?

Very thought provoking. Terri may have needed the boat to tow something too, right? Such as a trailer or boat…owner of trailer/boat = third party? Just a thought.

Why would Terri Horman WANT the school to notice Kyron was missing if she had something to do with his disappearance? The fact is the school should have taken action as soon as the substitute teacher realized he was missing. That was very early in the day. Likely less than an hour after Kyron was seen alive and well. Had the search for Kyron started early that day, the investigation as we know it today might be in a whole different direction. For one thing, Terri would have been called, and if she didn’t pick up, then Kaine would have been called. How would Terri explain her whereabouts? How would she explain NOT picking up the phone? How would she have time to kill Kyron and dispose of the body? There is no way Terri could have counted on the school NOT reporting him missing. The “doctors appointment” ruse wouldn’t work either because that could easily be shown to be a lie which would put immediate suspicion on Terri.
If Terri wanted to harm Kyron it doesn’t make any sense that she would have taken him to school first. What would that do for her (if guilty)?? Absolutely nothing, except create a huge risk that the school would start looking for him early that day, as they should have.
What if a sexual predator took Kyron? It would be easy to blend in with the science fair going on, and unfortunately predators are often successful in snatching their victims without a single person noticing. Terri Horman may have her personality flaws but I see no evidence that she committed murder. In fact there is no evidence or she would have been arrested. Same for the alleged murder for hire scheme. Are you all forgetting that it is a crime to solicit murder for hire?!
Her lawyer is right, this has turned into a witch hunt and the “wicked stepmother” is the target. Fact is by all accounts Terri was a loving step mother to Kyron. I wonder if it is shown that Kyron was indeed taken by a sexual predator will people then have some empathy for Terri Horman and all she has lost? As it stands now she has lost everything.

Sorry, I have to say something…
I feel that Terri DID make the statement about Kyron having a Dr. appointment on Friday. I think she thought the teacher would not be immediately concerned, but eventually concerned. I think Terri thought she made the treacher believe that Kyron would be back later in the day. Hence the backpack and jacket left in the room. Oh, Kyron is comming back! And this also provides two other benefits, if this woman did what I think she did. One, it bought her time to do the deed without the principal calling her cell phone. And two, a somewhat reasonable excuse for a miscommunication in the crowded Science fair. I totaly agree with Marcia that the plan started to unravel when the school did not call her after a few hours. This would be a reasonable amout of time for the teacher to call and at least say, Hey, is Kyron comming back? And I also agree with Marcia on the e-mail. It was just to try to jar the teachers mind, and think hey, is Kyron comming back? But it did not work.
Terri WANTED the school to notice his absence, just at a later time… perhaps?

C.B. Thats what I am thinking… exactly. There was a talent contest Kyron was supposed to be in that afternoon. Leaving the backpack and jacket says … Kyron will be back later… Maybe she thought they would call her when he didn’t show for the the contest.

JMO, maybe the excuse TH used for not getting the project was the science fair wasn’t finished and Kiara was getting cranky. Simple if she did use it.

The problem with Kyron “leaving” for a doctor appt and then returning back to school is TH would have had to sign him in (unless of course they don’t require it)! So how would she explain his return then disappearance??

Maybe the back pack and jacket are because Kyron left them in his classroom and was abducted while out of the classroom??

Ladybug said: { Jul 20, 2010 – 01:07:55 }
Very thought provoking. Terri may have needed the boat to tow something too, right? Such as a trailer or boat…owner of trailer/boat = third party? Just a thought.

……..i think if she had this “third party accomplice” with a boat and trailer, they would already have their own truck/vehicle equipped to haul it.

…i believe she wanted the truck, b/c it “blends in” and is much less memorable than a shiny little red mustang. (with the vanity license plate.)

Sounds like the school was a bit loosey-goosey… When my kids were in elementary school they had sign-in/check-out proceedures.. etc.. however, because I was quite involved (PTA and a regular classroom volunteer) I had a relationship with the teachers.. they wouldn’t have thought anything about me coming in and saying that I was taking my kid out for a doctors appointiment or delivering him back in directly to the classroom. In fact I believe if I said to a teacher that I was taking my kid to an appointment and would be back later, another thought would never have crossed their mind. As far as signing them out and in.. that is done at the office. I could have easily said I’m taking my kid to the doctor, by-passed the office to the parking lot and nobody would have thought a thing.. sure of it.

sjso– the problem with telling a teacher one thing and doing another, is that the lie would become obvious as soon as officials started investigating.

What killer plans to bring immediate attention to themselves with lies?

Just an observation from a new commenter: one of the poster’s here has an interesting name–Pippy. That name “Pippy” reminds me of Pippi Longstocking, the red-haired character from a popular children’s book.

Not sure if this comment belongs in this “string,” but … It looks like we’re a little off-track, anyway. For those of you interested in the Skyline Ridge neighborhood; its response to KH’s disappearance; and the answer to 1) why everyone is so “closed mouthed”; and 2) why family/friends did not join in the search … go here: http://srnpdx.org/. Explore the Community Response and Media channels; some interesting insights. Just a point of reference, again, for those following from afar: 17,000 acres and 700 households minutes from downtown Portland. I grew up just across the Columbia River in Washington State. Those forests? The understory is a tangled mass of shrubs; oregon grape; salmon berries; and forest debris. Sauvie (pron: “SO-vee” Island? Acres of wetlands and river channels with tall reeds and grasses. Hope Kyron is safe with an accomplice. ‘Cuz if he isn’t … ? I just hope LE checked the new fishing pole he was scheduled to use with TY that weekend. Was the line wet?

http://www.adannews.com/1476/kyron-horman-is-missing-and-so-is-california-teen-norma-lopez/

Kyron Horman isn’t the only missing child. Norma Lopez went missing while walking home from summer school. Lopez never made it to the place where she was to meet her younger sister, Sonja and a couple of friends. Unlike the Kyron Horman case that seems to have no apparent evidence of a struggle or abduction, authorities have found personal effects from Lopez scattered along her normal route home from school.

This indicates that there was some sort of struggle, and gives birth to the conclusion that she was abducted.

——————–oh my god———follow up story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/21/AR2010072100465.html

MORENO VALLEY, Calif. — An autopsy is scheduled Wednesday on an unidentified body found several miles from where a 17-year-old Southern California girl disappeared on her way home from a summer school class last week.
Norma Lopez vanished Thursday on her way home from a summer class at Valley View High School in Moreno Valley, in the inland region east of Los Angeles.

pippy said: { Jul 20, 2010 – 02:07:30 }
Her lawyer is right, this has turned into a witch hunt and the “wicked stepmother” is the target. Fact is by all accounts Terri was a loving step mother to Kyron. I wonder if it is shown that Kyron was indeed taken by a sexual predator will people then have some empathy for Terri Horman and all she has lost? As it stands now she has lost everything.
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Well, no, I probably wouldn’t have much empathy for TERRI if a sexual predator took Kyron because, for me to feel empathy for HER, I, personally, would first require that Terri show some empathy for KYRON and all he has lost. If Terry is innocent, than that means she, as a loving step mother, should appear to be almost mindlessly worried that a sexual predator might have taken Kyron. Rather, so far, she appears to have refused to cooperate fully with LE and chose to entertain herself by sending hundreds of text messages and photos of herself in various stages of undress and engaged in sexual activity to a searcher who came to look for Kyron.
Her role as “loving step mother” ended just a bit too abruptly to elicit any feelings of empathy from me, no matter what the outcome for HER may be. She is alive and appears to know just how to use a cell phone to begin what’s important to her all over again.
Although, I do feel a bit sympathetic about that hair coloring glitch with the red highlights coming out too dark…. So annoying!

To Pippy-

Defense attorneys always say that about evidence. It’s just part of their job, and shouldn’t be taken as a fact. We do know she failed her poly, and lied to LE. We also know about the sexting, and the murder for hire plot. There are reasons to point the finger at Terri. She hasn’t been acting like she was concerned about Kyron. Maybe that’s because she knows what happened to him.
We don’t know what evidence LE has against her, so it’s also not correct to say that there is none. I think LE wants to find Kyron so that they know what Terri should be charged with, and to complete the case against her before bringing those charges. At this point, we still have hope that it won’t be murder. They only get one shot at Terri, and they want their case to be airtight.

pippy said: { Jul 20, 2010 – 02:07:30 }

“Why would Terri Horman WANT the school to notice Kyron was missing if she had something to do with his disappearance?
( to place the blame On the school).

The fact is the school should have taken action as soon as the substitute teacher realized he was missing.
( but they didn’t.—there’s also confusion re; the substitute teacher that day.)

That was very early in the day. Likely less than an hour after Kyron was seen alive and well. Had the search for Kyron started early that day, the investigation as we know it today might be in a whole different direction.
(true.)

For one thing, Terri would have been called, and if she didn’t pick up, then Kaine would have been called. How would Terri explain her whereabouts?
(hi honey, what’s up? i’m at that market over on sauvie island—–oh, i left my cell charging in the truck earlier—–kyron’s what???”

How would she explain NOT picking up the phone?
(low battery—-charging it.)

How would she have time to kill Kyron and dispose of the body?
( she had between at least 9 and 1, 4 hrs.—-or if we’re going on the school calling within an hr.—dug a shallow grave previously, she’s clearly stronger than he is, once deceased—–strength, and adrenalin would have the site filled in very quickly.)

There is no way Terri could have counted on the school NOT reporting him missing.
( why not? she knew , as a previous volunteer, how “lax” protocol was there,plus she WANTED him reported missing at some point.)

The “doctors appointment” ruse wouldn’t work either because that could easily be shown to be a lie which would put immediate suspicion on Terri.
(there COULD have been an appt. scheduled for the following friday—-terri may have said the teacher didn’t hear the actual date she was conveying.)

If Terri wanted to harm Kyron it doesn’t make any sense that she would have taken him to school first. What would that do for her (if guilty)??
( she would have witnesses that saw both her and kyron at the school—-her leaving—-kyron then left in the capable hands OF the school) (for her grieving step mother act—-and upcoming lawsuit.)

Absolutely nothing, except create a huge risk that the school would start looking for him early that day, as they should have.
(except they didn’t, as she knew they wouldn’t-the hectic atmosphere of getting a number of kids ready for the science fair—-and mumbling her ambiguous dr. appt. across the noisy gym.)

What if a sexual predator took Kyron? It would be easy to blend in with the science fair going on, and unfortunately predators are often successful in snatching their victims without a single person noticing.
(this is true.)

Terri Horman may have her personality flaws but I see no evidence that she committed murder.
(we do have stmts. that she tried to have murder committed against her husband, that’s pretty harsh.)

In fact there is no evidence or she would have been arrested.
(not neccessarily. LE likes to let their prey “stew” for awhile—-maybe find they’re “sexting” one of the husbands friends or something—–they’re watching her i’m sure.)

Same for the alleged murder for hire scheme. Are you all forgetting that it is a crime to solicit murder for hire?!
(i’m sure LE knows this——but she’s got the fancy-schmancy lawyer, that would have her out in an hour on those charges.)

Her lawyer is right, this has turned into a witch hunt and the “wicked stepmother” is the target.
( lawyers–they either say “oh my poor innocent client” (for public sympathy) and if that fails–go to the other side—”it’s a witch hunt! my (poor client) they’ve dubbed her wicked stepmother!” (for public sympathy.)

Fact is by all accounts Terri was a loving step mother to Kyron.
( so why isn’t she doing ANYthing to help find him? frantically retracing her steps that day? assissting LE along with the other family members? of all of them, SHE saw him last——if innocent,maybe a person, a vehicle, that she saw that day would help? why not volunteer for hypnosis? a “loving step mom” would do ANYTHING to find that child.)

I wonder if it is shown that Kyron was indeed taken by a sexual predator will people then have some empathy for Terri Horman and all she has lost?
( empathy? not as far as i understand the meaning of the word, no. sympathy? still no. b/c if he indeed was taken by a S.O.—again, what has she, the” poor innocent wicked step mother”, done to help?)

As it stands now she has lost everything.
( not really. she’s still alive. if she really wants to—-and is truly innocent—she can still help LE by co-operating. ….so she hired the hitman—so she did the sexting—finding kyron would definitely TRUMP all else.)

Thank you , Ellejay !
V

Ellejay and Pippy,

I too have a hard time believing that a mother could harm her child and want to find ways to argue away Terri’s involvement. In the end, however, Ellejay’s reasoning is right-on. If on the small chance that Terri may be innocent, she will receive no empathy from me.. her actions through this ordeal have been appalling!

IMO, I don’t think TH would have left Kiara in the car alone. It’s too risky. If anyone would have seen the child in the car alone they would have reported it and it would have fouled up her whole plan. It would be my guess that Kiara was not with her that day, and I assume also that is the case due to no one mentioning Kiara being with TH at the school. Having to deal with Kiara during the course of her murder plot that day (and yes, I absolutely do believe she killed him), would have been too much of a problem. Would be nice to know for sure if she did or did not have to pick up Kiara from daycare that day. It would help put together time lines of areas she could have traveled to. I wish LE would release more of what they DO know. I understand the silence though, but still frustrating for us websleuths.

I have been reading and trying to keep up to date with this case. there are many things about this case that will never make sence to me. If terri was gonna pick kyron up from school didnt kaine find it weird that she didnt leave to pick him up? but yet both of them walked to the school bus stop. Did she tell him that her plans changed that day?
An the fact of if she told kyron to go to the truck because he “had a dr apt”, and she would tell his teacher. Than why didnt the teacher find it odd that kyrons backpack and coat were still in the room. still if terri didnt tell the teacher that he was going to the dr, why didnt she think of anything about his coat and backpack still being in the room.
I also read some where that one of kyrons classmates asked the teacher where kyron was. The teacher said he was probably in the restroom or getting a drink. There was also a sub there in the morning to help out, an shortly left after the teacher told the student that he was where ever.
Also about the truck. how could the alternater go out when she just drove it home? did they ever look at the miliage of the truck. i know i keep an eye on mine that may just be me. wouldnt terri had called kaine to tell him that it went out. if it was me ( not knowing alot about vehicals) i would have called my husband first.
I pray that kyron is still alive and some one is holding him hostage. but my gut is telling otherwise.

Amy,

There are several errors in the things that you are stating (I’m not accusing you of anything just pointing out that where ever you are reading these things has bad information). We have not received confirmation on the backpack/jacket rumor, so we really can’t draw any conclusions. We haven’t confirmed the doctor’s appt statement either, though Terri’s rebuttal story would point to the fact SOME form of communication took place concerning a doctor’s appointment. The truck’s alternator did not go out. The statements made were that the starter went out. I have not read anywhere that the starter went out on the same day Kyron went missing, but after that date. It has not been confirmed that the other students noticed Kyron missing or that he actually was in a group to tour the science fair. And then lastly, it has been confirmed there were NO substitutes at Skyline that day, but there WERE volunteer adults to chaperone the small groups of children touring the fair.

I think your article is very good. One question, do they not know where the baby was on that day? No mother should leave any child unattended in a car (if it was cool out) or for any reason for any length of time. I agree with the above–where was the baby, and have they checked down that road that TH pulled out of. Val, the part about Kyron”s fair project makes sense. Pick it up after school.

This whole scenario, pickup, project, doctors appointment, pay a landscaper/ boyfriend to kill your husband etc has HINKY————written all over it. As my mother says, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a DUCK. Common sense needs to be applied here and Val does that so brilliantly.

Sorry i ment starter not alternator. all these comments are if post. Thanks for clearing everything up.from other post i read it said the truck had a backseat. Which had dark tinted windows.so it would have been hard to tell IF he was sitting in the truck. He looks short and those trucks are huge. i would probably never see a kind in that truck unleas i was actually looking. I also read Which i dont know if its true because no one has said if its true. that she left the baby with a friend that morning. i dont think she took her with her either. some one would have seen the baby if she brought her to school.

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2010/06/pondering-disappearance-of-kyron-horman.html#comments

this has the back pack info in it. Note i dont know if any of this is true. but like i said i read most of all this stuff. and all this info is based on IF’s. Thanks

Everybody’s points are well taken but I’m still going to reserve judgment on Terri Horman until more facts are known that show she is guilty of murder or kidnapping. I can’t pretend to know all that she has felt or done during this whole ordeal, and I well know how the media can fuel public opinion even if they are wrong. For them it is all about ratings and having the most tantalizing scoop. In the end the important thing is finding the missing child, and I hope Kyron will be found soon.

By the way, somebody said Terri lied to police. What lie did she tell police? I have not heard that, in fact the reports I have read quoting LE sources have said she has been cooperative. What were the lies?

MCSO taking email questions from media.

Tell Us Your Questions for the Sheriff on Kyron Case

The Skanner News staff
July 21, 2010

Multnomah County Sheriff Daniel Staton is wrapping up its effort to encourage more media questions on the search for Kyron Horman.

In a statement issued late this morning, the sheriffs office invited reporters to email in questions about the Kyron case by 2 p.m. today.

The Skanner News readers can share questions you’d like us to forward to the sheriffs office today by posting them at the end of this article.

“A written statement will be released no later than Friday July 23, 2010 based on the questions submitted,” the department said.

Snip

A press conference is scheduled for Tuesday July 27, with Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Lead Investigator of the Kyron case Sgt. Lee Gosson.

http://www.theskanner.com/article/view/id/12885

Sheriff’s office press release:

MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE ACCEPTING MEDIA QUESTIONS REGARDING KYRON CASE
Posted: July 21st, 2010 10:24 AM

Sheriff Daniel Staton and Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office understands that the community and media have many questions regarding the Kyron Horman investigation. We can ensure you that our primary goal is to complete a thorough investigation. As stated in prior press releases, there are many decision points which are discussed and filtered among investigators, deputy district attorneys, command staff and other experts. Our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow-up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron’s activities prior to his disappearance.

Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office would like to provide the media the opportunity to submit questions they would like answered regarding Kyron Horman case. Please understand and remember this is an ongoing criminal investigation. There will be some questions that cannot be answered based on this fact.

Submit your questions to Kyron.case.questions@mcso.us. This email address will be accepting questions up to 2pm today, July 21, 2010.

pippy said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 03:07:38 }

By the way, somebody said Terri lied to police. What lie did she tell police? I have not heard that, in fact the reports I have read quoting LE sources have said she has been cooperative. What were the lies?

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At the time LE made those statements, cooperating could simply mean she was answering questions. It does not mean she was answering them truthfully.

As well, delaying the last polygraph for 8-10 is still cooperating – but on her terms. Not terms one would expect when hoping to find a missing 7 y/o boy.

I think the term cooperating has been very loosely defined.

I was in a legal situation once where I retained counsel, and like a machine, my attorney advised me to shut up and not say anything. It was bothersome and difficult because I felt I had nothing to hide and really WANTED to talk.

I don’t think that is what is going on in this situation with Terri, however. She has been proven to be dishonest via the polygraph and is hiding something for sure.

But, like the Haleigh Cummings case where it was predicted that an arrest [relating to the disappearance of the child] was imminent and it hasn’t happened (correct me if I am wrong), I am wondering if they’ll actually be able to get to the truth of the matter regarding Kyron Horman and bring Terri to justice.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24337416/detail.html

Ok, this link goes to an interesting turn in the police investigation. The MCSO is receiving some assistance into locating Kyron from Major Ed Dames. Does anyone here know who he is? He is a military trained remote viewer…a psychological science of sorts.

I recall someone in this forum posting a suggestion to consult with a psychic, a reliable one, well this is as close as it gets. I am open and willing to give the guy a try, in fact, going out on a limb here, I am willing to bet he brings SOME valuable information to this process, if not entirely locating Kyron.

Major Ed Dames has a reputation, and as I’ve said, is a product of the U.S. military’s remote viewing program that was hot and active, mostly during the Cold War.

Interesting stuff. Certainly more than just for entertainment purposes, like charlatans.

Val,

“Dames said the missing boy is located on private property roughly 10 miles south of the school.”

What is 10 miles south of the school, and was Terri there?

Someone also said they thought that the driving North from Skyline to the area of Sauvie Island, where there was at least one cell phone ping, was a “throw investigators off the track” type deal.

Could be if Major Ed Dames is correct about the vicinity of Beaverton (about 10 miles South of Skyline) being Kyron’s location.

The “private property” part is what gets me. I immediately want to think of a private residence, but it could mean anything, a strip mall, company owned private property, etc.

Also of concern is that Major Ed Dames did not say anything about 3rd party involvement. Of course, if his specialty is location services, then he may not have access to the who, when or why, just the what and where.

Where is everyone?

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/difficult_questions_in_the_sea.html

This article asks for $739,000, the cost estimated to complete the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance, how many children across the globe could that amount feed?

Hi Vall! Thanks for the Artical. Is the 1st poster correct in that Terri emailed the teacher to say she will pick up Kyron? has she emailed his teacher before when she picked him up- that was odd. do you know where Kiara was that day?

Thanks

Tammy

I read the comments on all of the threads,
Kyron, Eric, Caylee and all of the others..
Most of the time the Posts by Val and the
comments sicken me to the point of numbing
my brain. All I can think is I want to go
grab Terri by her red mane and share the
ever lovin horse out of her to make
her tell us what happened. So sorry our
judicial system GIVES so much protection
to the bastards who hurt children.

numbs should be DUMBS

» george said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 05:07:56 }

IMO, this is the most racist story put out by a newspaper. So what if it costs a million to find Kyron???
Look how much money that the state of Fl. has spent on the Anthony case and it is still rising.
So there are kids starving in other countries. It is not like USA hasn’t sent billions of dollars to feed them, only to have the leaders of these countries stealing for their own personal needs.
And if we didn’t have defense attorneies defend the scum of the earth. even tho, the FBI and the LEO knows what happened and has evidence to proof most of them, then it wouldn’t cost so much for the cases of these murdered and missing children. Just like the scum bag in the most recent case. He gets appointed an attorney and then the state is charged with the bill to defend him.
Sorry, maybe I am wrong, but it really ticks me off.
And sorry to voice my opinion this way. If a person is really innocent, most of the time, they will work for the truth in the matter. Not evade it.
Ok Val, I will probably be in moderation for a while. Sorry

george said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 05:07:07
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If Terry headed north and the phone call was timed purposely, just as a way to throw LE off and then headed south in order to hide the body down that way…there are miles and miles of forest all along the west side of Route 30 as you head into the city of Portland. Private property isn’t much help because isn’t almost all land privately owned…I’m trying to think what land isn’t? But, if this man has some skill I am hoping he is successful in this case because, truly, as I study Googlearth I often have the thought that, without a confession or some evidence as to where Kyron might be, I can’t see how he will be found without a psychic…or a hiker or hunter who happens upon him quite by accident.
By the way, Pippy…I also am reserving judgment on Terry and am not 100% convinced that she killed Kyron. I word my comments as best I can to appear as possible scenarios rather than what I might believe or not believe. In my opinion, nobody (even LE, unfortunately) has enough information to make hard core opinions yet as to what might have happened to Kyron. Above, I was strictly answering your question about having empathy for Terry in the event she is found innocent. If she is innocent then she should one day be happy that LE questioned her and even doubted her if she can’t make the ends of her stories meet. It’s standard procedure and the missing child is the priority as I know you would agree. If Terry was accused, convicted and spent time in prison and then was later found innocent, that would be something to be empathetic about. But LE investigating her is not unreasonable and NOT a witch hunt IMO…and the media and public opinion on Terry really shouldn’t matter…unless someone attacks her or her family members or their property. So far, I don’t see anything bad that has happened to Terry that didn’t turn right around and appear to originate WITH HER OWN actions.

According to that article link I just posted, I think I read correctly that Major Ed Dames pinpointed Kyron’s position to within 60′…(yes, feet).

I hope they (LE) works on this to either prove or disprove this remote viewing guy, because it doesn’t make sense that he would want to risk a mistake and put his reputation on the line.

Anyway, 60 feet sounds significant!

pippy said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 03:07:38 }

By the way, somebody said Terri lied to police. What lie did she tell police? I have not heard that, in fact the reports I have read quoting LE sources have said she has been cooperative. What were the lies?

Without going into any detail, LE stated she lied about her whereabouts on the day Kyron went missing.

It looks as though Major Ed Dames began searching (mentally) for Kyron around June 28th, and in the following link, he speaks about Remote Viewing and his work on the Kyron Horman case.

If you listen, he begins on the topic of Kyron Horman at about 15:40 up to about 19:00, so you can avoid the extra stuff at the beginning and afterward.

He essentially claims that it takes a matter of a few days to pinpoint a target to within 4000′, then a couple more to eventually locate the target to within 60′.

Disclaimer: I am not spiritual, but I am scientific, and if TRV (Technical Remote Viewing) has a scientific basis, then I am open-minded. The power of the mind…

“Private property isn’t much help because isn’t almost all land privately owned” Mimi

On private property within 60′ of specific coordinates.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ufonaut/2010/06/29/maj-ed-dames–trv-and-the-kyron-horman-case

Sorry, forgot to include the link to which to listen. Here it is.

Kaine last intervew , today … “Kyron waiting to be found “…
http://www.kptv.com/news/24345657/detail.html

the video
http://www.kgw.com/

» george said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 07:07:53
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Thanks for the link. Anything is worth a try. I saw a program once of this woman who was able to solve several crimes. I don’t remember who she was but she was amazing. This police department, who had used her several times, backed her up in the program…mainly because she had pretty much gone in the police car and directed them right where they needed to go. And it was partially successful. IIRC, they found evidence but not the body which had been moved after death. Also, in the program, the film people brought her to several locations and said nothing. They knew the details of the crimes in question…and she began to describe what had happened in the very spot where she was…had been told nothing about the crimes. So, to my satisfaction anyway, some people do have something extra and it’s always worth a try.
(This woman appeared in her late 50′s and had black hair and IIRC she wore her make-up a little generously.) But, she was something else. By the way, she didn’t charge money for her services which impressed me, too.

vidda said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 07:07:10 }

When I opened the site up, my computer went crazy. Said there was a trojan and I ran my virus scan program. Don’t know what happened. But maybe you should run your virus program.

Waiting for the article but from live feed……Kyron’s teacher marked him absent because she knew he had a doctor’s appointment on the Friday Kyron disappeared.

A friend of Kyron’s who eats lunch with Kyron every day told his mom that he knew Kyron had a doctor’s appointment, and that he saw Kyron leave with Terri.

http://www.katu.com/home/video/98977869.html

I’ll post the link as soon as they post the info.

George and Mimi,
Can’t say I believe fully, but there has been one soothsayer in my life that scared the heck out of me. So it is worth a try. Not saying I believe everything I hear and half what I see, but who knows? I say give it a try.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date

vidda said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 07:07:10 }

That video choked me up.

Beach! Thanks for that. Watching for the link.

Re : CLMinor

NO clue why that happend to you, this is main KGW site…I have been in and out of there many times tonight with no problems…As far as viruses – my both sons are in software stuff…all computers are connected…no way something funny here , dont worry
V

You’re welcome Potato!

» vidda said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 09:07:52 }

Oh not worrying here, I had never had any kind of virus or trojan.
Thank Goodness for my virus program. LOL
Just thought it was weird. LOL

Beach. Did you watch the raw video of Kaine at the Wall of Hope? tough watch.

I think the Dr’s. appointment will be Terri’s undoing, just as Val stated weeks ago. Especially if there was indeed paperwork involved, as Jaymie Finster stated in her interviews.

Terri could easily have said, “Kyron has a Dr’s appointment for Friday. I’ll need you to fill these in for his next one.”

Very vague.

I think it will ultimately be a key point in premediatation.

Did you , guys, see this ? Somebody mentioned it earlier …

1/ TH told the teacher about the doc appointment same day,6/4
2/ Portland Public Schools spokesperson Matt Shelby told KATU News she was seen leaving with KY
3/ the little Kurtis knew about that appointment, too

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html

OOOps , just saw Seemeatthebeach posted it

Re Potato head
I had hard time watching Kaine , too…Poor guy, he is suffering every second of it… It is very touchy and hearthbreaking whitnesing him grabing the last straw of hope ..
Have you thought about how nobody here mentioned anything disrespectful about Ky is alive ? We all catch his ( and Desiree’s) love, desperation , pain, human dignity.. I never once felt this way for Cindy A….
V

What an astute point, Vidda. I hadn’t really thought too deeply about it, but the contrast is stunning.

I feel a deep sorrow and pity for Kaine, Desiree & Tony. While I understand their belief & hope, it saddens me deeply because I don’t expect their hopes to be realized. I also don’t think any of them will descend into perma-denial like Cindy.

I think these poor souls are realists, but are clinging to what they can, for as long as they can, then… sadly, they will have to turn their current advocacy to find Kyron towards obtaining justice for him.

It is such a contrast, isn’t it? Ultimately, I do not see any of these three sorrowful parents dumping money into Terri’s commissary account in the near or distant future.

this is an older post with added updates hmmmmm…………..

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019

read the article its interesting

Pippy,
I believe TH took Kyron to school that day to provide an alibi for herself and to set a plan into motion that she has thought of since the MFH . I think she was going to use Kyron for ransom money (kyron’s glasses in mailbox w/note)and the landscaper and possibly his associate is involved here. For all we know Kyron could be in mexico.From the very begining LE and FBI has been hush hush so as not to tip thier hand and possibly harm Kyron in the process. The statements from the parents show they believe Kyron is being held somewhere alive based on the briefings they are getting from LE.

evrli said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 10:07:10 }

Clue us in? I don’t see any updates on that post.

Sauvie Island ~video of wildlife there…
http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1255

PotatoHead~ i was wrong i was thinking the ‘priority leads” were added later, i didnt recall all of them being there the first time i read it …sorry all….

NP Evrli.

FWIW, that article seems to be pretty much the same as since the orig posting. The notes by Klaasend might be more recent, but they have been up there for a while.

No issue, and thank you for clarifying.

Tammy: “do you know where Kiara was that day?”

……according to a Q&A, kaine said she had kiara with her that morning.

Amy: “IMO, I don’t think TH would have left Kiara in the car alone. It’s too risky. If anyone would have seen the child in the car alone they would have reported it and it would have fouled up her whole plan.”

……not neccessarily, she might always have a nap at that time, or terri may have added a little something to her bottle on the ride from the house to the school—the truck had tinted windows, no one would have seen her in the back.
……also, the a.m. science fair was a student thing—–parents dropping their kids off, dashing off to work/quick look at the science fair, would have been in and out.paying zero attention to the white truck “over there”.

Amy: ““If terri was gonna pick kyron up from school didnt kaine find it weird that she didnt leave to pick him up?” An the fact of if she told kyron to go to the truck because he “had a dr apt”, and she would tell his teacher. Than why didnt the teacher find it odd that kyrons backpack and coat were still in the room”?

…….according to kaine, she was using the truck that day to bring the science fair project home, not to pick kyron up.

…it wouldn’t be odd for his belongings to be left there—-since he would be returning after the dr. appt.

………..she did run the risk of a couple of variables——(like all murderers do).
…kiara could have woke up and screamed at the top of her lungs—-apparently she didn’t.

…when she told kyron to “meet her at the truck” (while she made sure she was seen exiting one door—alone——-he was to exit another/or a few minutes later )–he could have stopped to talk to someone ( but she probably told him that that was WHY they had come early that day—TO see the projects early b/c of the dr. appt.—and that he had ONE minute to take a look around—meet her at the truck—so that HE would not make them be late.)

…she undoubtedly grilled him on whether or not he HAD talked to anyone since she left him, once he got into the truck.

…he didn’t ( or maybe says—yeah, just my friend about going to see the ‘electric one’—which ( she can’t believe her luck –it works IN her favour ), baby’s still sleeping——puts the truck into ‘drive’…..

I’ll say in my opinion…in my very well read opinion on this subject.

Major Ed Dames is a charlatan.

If he says south…I’ll look north. That’s all I have to say about Mr. Dames. And shame on him for using a little boy and trajedy to try to get press. SHAME ON HIM SHAME ON HIM. I guess his “remote viewing school” isn’t bringing in the bucks right now and he thinks some press will get him some students. SHAME ON HIM.

Valhall said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 08:07:08
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I have never heard of him before. But, if this is the type of man he is…unfortunately he will feel no shame because that sort of person can’t feel shame. But, if there is any basic right and wrong in the universe, one day his “reward” will come his way.

Hi Val… I have never heard of Remote Viewing or Dames.. sounds like you have… Also sounds like you have less than zero respect for the man.. I’ll trust your educated judgement but am curious as to your knowledge of him.

Also regarding Kaines statement today. He says he wants to start avoiding the “distractions” in this case and focus only on Kyron. I assume he means Terri? He also said he is trying very hard to keep Kyron’s story in the news to help bring him home. I think Terri’s actions are not a distraction… The fact that her actions are continually reported on, keeps sweet Kyron’s face in the news…. just a thought.

http://www.kptv.com/video/23824845/index.html

Search Reveals Sex Offenders Within 10 Miles Of School

Maybe this is where he got his information from.

Val said that the doctor’s appointment shouldn’t be so vague and secretive. I agree. Was there or wasn’t there a Drs. Appt either June 4th or June 11th? Who is the Dr.? Have they been contacted?

Same opinion of Major Ed Dames supposed findings of Kyron’s location within 60′. Has LE found him or not? I said I would remain open-minded, but if his information is incorrect, then I am on board with Val that he is despicable, like James L. McIntyre.

I will look for a follow up.

Three friends of Terri’s… all homes searched today.. LE says they either had contact with Terri before, directly after or from Surveillance… Also, LE postponed money needed.. hmmmm.. lets hope we are getting close!

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Source-Tualatin-homes-of-Terri-Hormans-friends-searched-kyron-missing-portland-99062069.html

Message from those closest to Kyron re: today’s searches:

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-Tony-accuse-woman-of-withholding/wkOK4Z7MvUSAOMqRkGHc_w.cspx

More re: Kyron from KGW

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Source-Tualatin-homes-of-Terri-Hormans-friends-searched-kyron-missing-portland-99062069.html

Oops. Last post a repeat from another.

More…

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html

A few people have said that Terri lied to police about her whereabouts that morning, but I can’t find any articles that state she lied. I’ve seen articles that said LE was looking into cell phone pings in trying to verify her whereabouts but none that call her a liar. If somebody can’t point me to a different article I would appreciate it.

Cell phone pings are tricky when you are dealing with a radius of five miles.

Re Pippy

You have LE pressconference coming and, also , LE will be answering questions today … Another way to find out about Terri’s lies – go over the Kaine and Desiree’s statements to the press and checks all the related posts … That will asnwer all your questions…
For example – current thread Vall created regarding doctors appointment Jun 4th. She actually answered you already , did you read it ?
V

Re Pippy :
You actually asked the same question 7/20 and 7/21 here …lots of info released afterward …

From the timeline:
10:00 a.m. reported to be according to Ms. Porter:
Roll is taken for Kyron’s class and he is marked absent. No call to parents is made based on Ms. Porter’s assumption Kyron has gone with Terri to a doctor’s appointment.

In most cases in schools, calls home to verify legitimate absences is done by a designated administrative staffer (unless it is a huge school with an automated calling system). Teachers never have to do their own calling about this. So, I wonder if Ms. Porter indicated on her roll sheet that she thought he had a doctor appt, since the office would not have known Kyron was supposed to be absent, unless Terri told them the same story. I would like to know more detail how this staffer learned not to call Kyron’s home.

Oh, thank you for this great timeline. I did not know all of these details.

Anna,

I never said Ms. Porter would have called. I would assume office staff would make the call. I would assume that Ms. Porter did, in fact, mark the absence excused and make some notation that Kyron was with his stepmom at the doctor’s office.

Valhall,

I did not read all the comments but, your post is a very interesting theory. My question, which I have posted on other news sites, and cannot obtain a clear and concise answer is that on one of the post a blogger stated that Kyron liked to take his lunch but, there was no lunch on this day. My response was that I have not read this anywhere. “He likes to take his lunch.” The blogger, I believe, was Terri or one of her friends stated they would find the site but, to no avail. The comment left was very defensive to say the least. To give a little background; 2 bloggers were the same person and conversing with eachother and of course, were found out because one blogger answered the same blogger. (i.e. CW said to CW)

If Kyron liked to take his lunch and there was no lunch on this day because Terri knew he would not be staying, then this is very important. Do what you can to find this statement. It does not make any sense to me for someone to state this, in a lengthy post, and then disappear. My belief is that the blogger, which I believe was Terri, was rambling and slipped up in saying this. This would make sense if, in fact, it was Terri posting.

just curious why would Terri stop wearing the missing shirts the family had made so soon after his disappearance ? and why wouldn’t her high powered criminal defense attorney encourage her to at least maintain the appearance of caring about the search and investigation. all the distractions in the world such as landscapers, affairs, friends, time line’s don’t change the facts that her behavior is the key indicator of her alleged involvement and her behavior is not that of someone searching for a missing child. it is of a scared coward who thinks she planned the perfect crime only to have her own version of the days events be her undoing. Nice try amateur !

I have long held the opinion from alledged postings by TH on other sites that she might have MPD which would account for all the aliases and the different tones of the postings. I have kept up with this and my heart just breaks for this little boy. I think many of the postings on this site have been on point. I believe that this whole thing was premediated. Could TH have actually left the little girl in her playpen at her house while she was taking Kyron to school? I mean, who would know? The little girl wouldn’t tell and if she cried, etc., no one would know. Could DeDe actually have left and gone to TH house to check on the little girl until TH completed her alibi at the gym? I have felt from the beginning that TH had something to do with it. I pray that she didn’t physically harm him and that LE and the FBI can find him and bring him home.

Valhall, I think you’re doing a terrific job & making people think! Which leds me to wonder what time DeDE arrived at that landscaping job? She could have went to the school & either swapped vehicles with Terri or had Kyron go with DeDe in her car BEFORE DeDe went to work.. DeDe could have even took Kyron back home (to watch Kiara?). Not only would everyone be looking for the truck, but Terri could have spent that time covering her bases. Like others, what I find odd is that no one has mentioned the baby? The school? Both Fred Meyer’s & Albertson’s for an hour? Did she pick up perscriptions or anything that you could overdose or “knock out” a tiny 7 yr-old with.. but if asked it was for the baby’s earache? I would think someone would recall a fussy baby w/a red-headed mom at the stores! I know I would have; I also know I’m not the only one around who coo’s at the happy one’s and tries to give a jesture of sympathy to the sad one’s! It’s like the 18 month-old was non-existent until Terri & her driving earache stories.. and possibly the gym?! Did she then have DeDe come back & take the truck to the gym while she borrowed DeDe’s Explorer to do whatever she may have did with that poor child? …It’s all so maddening and gives me so many sleepless nights hoping & praying that little Kyron is not scared and suffering somewhere. I can’t even imagine being his parents right now! Horrible to say the least…

I read about the white truck at 3pm & about 1am… I would think that would have been Kaine & Terri at the school by then, and probably just Kaine parking near the school in the middle of the night in shock, trying to peace together & hoping something would come to him to figure out where Kyron is. Unless.. they had said it wasn’t him but I didn’t see that piece about the incident, just what I’ve read here.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to air & process all my questions outloud here & grieve with your readers of the empty and sick feelings when one of “our” children are missing. God Bless.