Eric Preimesberger case: A continuing look into this mysterious case

Val, I am not able to make sense of this sentence. Maybe I am just over tired, but I just can’t make it work for me.

“At this time Kristi’s wife (last known person to have seen him) is still missing.”

Have an awful time getting back on my feet when I stumble and fall, and it is even worse when I fall over words and can’t get what is being conveyed.

Val has a lot going on right now. This was a small typo. The sentence is meant to read
“At this time Kristi the wife (last known person to have seen him) is still missing.”

Marica,

LOL…sorry. Should make more sense now.

I can get flyers to the truckstop on Interstate 90 in Northern Illinois later this week. I’ll ask to leave a stack and ask the truckers to take extras with them with to leave at the next stop.

Thnx Shantell & Val. I will never understand why,
but if a word is missing, or even a wrong word…
( Your, where You’re should be used) I will fall flat
on my face and not be able to make sense of much
after that. It is a wiring glitch in my brain, Just to
mention one of many. Keep waiting for the world to
discover a drug to repair the glitches!

BTW… This is why I love reading at The Hinky Meter.
Val and her Hinky followers are the best and there
are so few errors, and far less miss use of words.
And this probably doesn’t make sense because my
thoughts are scrambled by an annoying headache.

Val:

I just had an idea that might prove beneficial.

You have written extensively about the work of Tim Miller and another gentleman whose names escapes me at this moment, because of their work in the Caylee Anthony case. Both of these men head organizations dedicated to searching for missing people, especially children. They share the sad distinction of having gotten involved because each had a child abducted and later found dead.

What I’m wondering is that were you to contact them directly and explain what’s been happening with Eric, Ivy and Damion Preimesberger and also Kristi and her brother Tim, perhaps they could share the benefit of their experience and offer suggestions as to what might be the most expedient way to get this story the national attention it truly deserves. They also might have other suggestions that don’t involve the media that we could pursue.

So many Hinksters are doing their best to distribut posters to publicize this case in the hope it will strike a cord with someone who may have seen them, but how much more effective it would be to have the media involved. If we contact Tim and ?, we are contacting them as total strangers, whereas if you contact them, they will recognize a connection, and a very positive one in my opinion.

I don’t know if it will do any good, but it certainly seems worth a try. I know you are horribly busy, but please give this idea some thought….and hopefully some action.

Many thanks for hearing me out………..

COL, That would be great if Val could do that for us. Val as it has been pointed out we all know how busy you are, but if they might be of some assistance, finding the babies and Eric………. Well I can not tell you how that would make me feel.
Again thank you from all of Eric’s family for all the flyers that are going up all over this nation. You are all so fantastic!

I don’t think Tim Miller deploys his searchers when nobody has a clue of even the GENERAL area to search. I mean – it’s July and you’re talking about Nevada…the whole state of Nevada, or maybe the whole state of Nevada and Oregon and Washington, or maybe even throw in New Mexico.

That doesn’t sound real possible to me at this point. But, if you would like to talk to him about this case, then I think you SHOULD.

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» COL said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 01:07:07 }
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What an awesome thought…
That would be so great to get NATIONAL MEDIA attention.
It would seem with all of the mysterious goings on, media
would be all over this. That would really get Eric and his
families faces where the world could see them.

@Val;

Trust in God when it is the hardest thing to do… We are all on borrowed time, that is why today is a gift and why it is called the present. With all you face, only you can face it because you are just made that way. My fondest memory of my dad was seeing him think he was on his horse (Alz too) He really was and nothig I could do made him believe in that solitary moment that he wasn’t on his horse. As sad as it was to watch I was blessed to watch it. Take care Val and god Bless You from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet.

Has Eric’s case been on the local Reno news? I can’t see any national news station covering this unless it can get local news coverage first. National news relies on local news for the latest information. Has any investigative reporter from the local Reno news stations been contacted? I’m sure they have. This is such a mindblowing story that I can’t imagine a local reporter turning this down.

I posted 5 airmail letters of this morning to 20 / 20…Prime Time…Nightline/This Week…ABC News with Diane Sawer..An Good Morning America..Each letter was Identical an basicaly outlined the known facts…I explained that even although I live in the UK I an many others on the internet are concerned For Eriks well being the children Kristi an Tim I gave them the Police an Detective details to contact an referenced the Hinky Meter as a site were they can obtain more details..My Wife was up till 3 am this morning corecting an writeing the letters out.I am going to take her out for a slap up Indian Meal next week to thank her.

ecossie possie thanks to you and your wonderful wife!!!
as for any coverage there has been none, The detective was to put together a press package and still has not. I have tried to do this all myself, but, with all that is going on with my health and my families it has been very hard.
Thank you to all of you for your love and support.

Kay

Eric is also on namus website https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/show/7662
please cut and paste this into all of your email friends addresses and ask them to do the same. I have to lay down or I am not going to ever stop crying and hurting. I spent almost an hour updateing the namus site for info on Eric.
Kay

Kay Eriks Mom …I know its hard an frustrating .But In order to help Erik an your Grand kids you must regain your health an strength.So please for there sakes get some rest an try to let things take there course .You will need to be strong for them in the comeing days an weeks..

Does Kristi have any tatoo’s? Sorry if I missed this info. And any ties to missouri? Either Kristi or Eric?

midwest mom yes she does Val posted pics on previous threads an on flyers

Val and Kay:

Just a quickie note to let you know I have phoned TES (twice actually) this afternoon, but have not heard back. I was told that since missing people are involved, this would be given their “highest priority.” I think I was explicit in stating I was not hoping for assistance in terms of a search, but rather suggestions about how to get a missing persons story promptly into the media. Surely they must know what national news organizations are sympathetic to stories of missing people, especially when little children are involved, and how to contact them.

If I don’t hear from them first thing in the morning, I’ll call again and leave my email address as hubby and I have a doctors appointment mid-morning. I tried to use their email contact http://texasequusearch.org/contact-tes/who-to-contact/ but in so doing, brought up a little window that said, “Could not perform this operation because the default mail client is not properly installed.” If one of you Hinksters has their default mail client properly installed, please will you try to get Tim Miller’s email address and post it here so that I can try contacting him that way. In the long run, it might make getting the information quicker and without the hassle of of having to contend with my miserable dial-up Internet service. Thanks!

I am so excited to learn so many have made great
efforts to get national media on this case.
One would think, that even though national picks
up; from local, national would be thrilled to get
a scoop story. Much as I dislike Nancy G. she
would be all over this. The bad part would be that
she would want to interview someone, and she
just cannot be trusted to show compassion where
it should be given. I think of how she was so nice
to Ronald Cummings.

Jo:

Looks like you and I are thinking somewhat similarly. My understanding is that TV news stories are frequently gleaned from newspapers. With that thought in mind, I Googled “maps western usa” and found that Reno is right on the border of California, so I checked Google News to see what California newspapers are most frequently quoted. The LA Times won hands down! I checked their web site and it appears to be easy to email anyone there. I would zero in on a specific reporter, but unfortunately I don’t know who is noted for stories of this nature. Seems to me if I contact the editor, he will pass it on to the appropriate person….at least that’s my hope.

The only thing on my agenda tonight is laundry, so that can be humming away while I try to compost a blurb that will hopefully tweak their curiosity. One way or another, we’ll get this story out!

……….make that COMPOSE, not COMPOST!!!

Thank you for all of you understanding how much time has been involved inthe Surgery Hospitalization with Kay 4 days in , and the 3 days in Hospital with Theresa. Kay still in much pain physically. Her worry that all you wonderfull people might not understand and think we aren`t doing our part. Thank You,Thank you,Thank you! In the last 11 days we have spent 7 of them in Hospitals…Aaaggggghhhh! So frustrating!

But just to be clear….that was me thanking all of you…for understanding, and keep working for Eric and his family`s sake. Again thank you sake

YW family Eriks Aunt No problem an no need to explain just try to Get Kay to relax an recuperate as much as posable I know its easy said but her health is also a priorty.

Chester, not really sure what you are getting at, My son is missing, my grandkids are with a psyco witch. Eric has been missing for more than 12 weeks and the babies are going on 4 weeks.

Sunnydeeds, I have no words to thank you for all you are doing…Cheers thanks for the flyers in DC!!!
Kristi you said you had some “direct questions for me” so call me again and I will be glad to answer them, but you remember you have some explaining to do to us! YOU are a coward to not call us or to call law enforcment. you are a coward for not coming forward to answer the officers questions, The longer you take the colder this case is getting!!! COWARD. All I ask is to speak to my grand kids for just two min. to hear their voices, to know at least they are still alive. Why are you soooo afraid to talk to LE? What are you guilty of??? In my oppion ..YOU have already taken my son from me, tell me, what in Gods name did you do to him? I hope that whatever, I believe, you did comes to you in your dreams makeing it impossible for you to sleep! I hope it makes you wake up screaming knowing you will spend the rest of your life in a 6×6 cell shared , I hope, by some one really lonely. I will leave your judgement and punishment up to God himself, BUT THIS FAMILY WILL SEE THAT JUSTICE IS SERVED FOR ERIC DEE.

Just another thought, who that is not guilty of something does not come forward to tell all they know and get the cops looking for the guilty party. Why would you not want to come forward and clear your name, instead of claiming phone trouble so you can’t finish a conversation with the investgator. But you phone works long enough to send me messages and long enough to stay on the phone to get mommy to send you money,,,,,,,,,,,,

Thanks again to Zuma Nation for your concerns too.

» Kay, Eric’ mom you just said
Why would you not want to come forward and clear your name, instead of claiming phone trouble so you can’t finish a conversation with the investgator. But you phone works long enough to send me messages and long enough to stay on the phone to get mommy to send you money,,,,,,,,,,,, When did this take place???

Kay Eric’s Mom;

Keep talking to her I am sure it isn’t falling on deaf ears. IMO these people are inhumane and you are right there is a bigger judge with a higher jury and they will be made to answer one way or the other. Hopefully you will get to see it because you have earned by bringing Eric into this world. It is too bad our son’s don’t always listen to us. I am sure you held your tongue when Eric chose Kristi out of respect fot him. I have 3 sons one is Eric’s age and he is single but some of the women I have encountered at his house have literally made the hair on my neck stand up. But, I have to bite my tongue because we all have to live our lives and we can’t interfere.

Kristi [EDITED BY VALHALL]. If you have one ounce of a conscience call your children’s grandma. One day and it will be real soon you are going to wish you had, and then you will be where you have put Eric’s family, “living on if only” and the only one that will be there for you is your mother because she will have lost all rights to her grandkids.

» Barbs said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 10:07:49 }

Kay is referring to the end of June when Kristi was asking for money from her mother for her cel phone and the pod, it was after she received the money that she disappeared. I understand about 500 was sent.
Maybe she will call soon as the end of the month is when they are both due.
Something in my gut tells me that Kristi and Tim are not far from Eugene,
from his house and from her pod. I cant tell you what makes me think this,
other than intuition.
-S

To bad there isn’t some reason LE could put a hold on that pod.
If it is as you suspect Shantell, and they are close to that pod,
they could be unloading and selling things off. I wonder if the
storage company allows removal of items at their site, or if one
must have the pod delivered to a private location for removal of
property. Has anyone asked the pod rental personnel to notify
LE if Kristi shows up there?
Shantell, do you have any idea of the contents of the pod?
Items that might be sold quickly … TV, stereo system, large
appliances… it would seem they must have household items
of some value to have justified renting a pod for moving.
Point being, if they need money, selling off contents may be
something to be thinking about.

» Barbs said: { Jul 19, 2010 – 10:07:49 }
» Kay, Eric’ mom you just said
Why would you not want to come forward and clear your name, instead of claiming phone trouble so you can’t finish a conversation with the investgator. But you phone works long enough to send me messages and long enough to stay on the phone to get mommy to send you money,,,,,,,,,,,, When did this take place???
Ok , Kristi called me long enough on the 14th to leave me a message that I have not been alble toget LE ou to my home to hear, so I will take it to them wihle out at the docs office tomorrrow, and her mommy sent her money to come home on and the pay for the pod rental and other money just before she left, supposedly, to NM.

» Marica said:I wonder if the
storage company allows removal of items at their site, or if one
must have the pod delivered to a private location for removal of
property. Has anyone asked the pod rental personnel to notify
LE if Kristi shows up there?
Shantell, do you have any idea of the contents of the pod?
Items that might be sold quickly … TV, stereo system, large
appliances… it would seem they must have household items
of some value to have justified renting a pod for moving.
Point being, if they need money, selling off contents may be.
something to be thinking about.

Yes they can come and go to the pod warehouse anytime they want , you can get into them by notifiying the pod people that someone she has authorized or herself may enter into the storage warehouse with an appointment to do so as long as they have the key to the pod.
As far as I konw anything of value had been pawned or sold outrite before the move. The key had to be purchased by Kristi for use on the pod.

THE ONLY WAY WE WILL PAY THE RENT FOR THE END OF THE MONTH OF jULY IS IF SHE WILL TURN THE RUCKUS OVER TO US AND THE REST OF ERIC’S BELONGINGS. Then and only then will Bill and I pay for the storage pod .

It took longer at the doctor than I thought, so hubby and I didn’t get back home until close to one o’clock. There were no phone messages from TES. I’m presently shifting into panic mode as new neighbor is coming over for supper….would be nice if I had a meal ready! Pain is bad today and I’m not moving very quickly.

One thing I did manage to get done was send an email to Davan Maharaj who is the managing editor news at the LA Times. Keep your fingers crossed he/she? finds Eric’s story compelling and decides to follow up. I’ll keep you posted.

I will be posting flyers in Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia and Washington D.C. on Thursday and Friday this week. Hubby has a doctor appointment in D.C.

So little miss Kristi is on the run and we are supposed to believe that her Mother has no clue where she is…
If that was mu daughter I would get in the dang car and drive to the known places she was-she cannot go far with 2 or 3 small chilren-i am confused-how many children are with her?
Also,Dm seems like she is very defensive at times-I understand her worry and concern but I do have a few things I know my daughter wouldnt want me to leak to the public-why doesnt DM threaten with family secrets to be revealed?Can you shame a person in to giving up?I know I could if I was missing my grand baby.Or die trying.
Another thing-the brother in all this-does he have a criminal record?Does he have any restrictions?
A warrant could easily be issued…
I could be way off base but I know I could text my kid and say a few things that would wake her ass up…I cannot be the only one that has that power over a kid-get a grp DM-you have the power-do it.

Val,

Is DM in moderation?

mlr, dm is not in moderation, she decided to leave this board on her own, as she left one more middling rant that contributed nothing, and basically said she had enough so she was leaving

» Brother That Rides said: { Jul 20, 2010 – 05:07:35 }
mlr, dm is not in moderation, she decided to leave this board on her own, as she left one more middling rant that contributed nothing, and basically said she had enough so she was leaving
……

So that’s where Kristi got the you-aren’t-kissing-my-derriere-I’m-leaving gene. How apt.

Here is a quote from Kay on July 18th:

“Oh there is so much going on right now behind the scenes that would boggle the minds, so much we cannot share out here in the light of day as of yet.”

The weekend starting on Friday was reallllllly hard on Kay. And today was just NOT a good day. She hurts physically and emotionaly and over the last few days has had to make some tough decisions. All in the best interests of Eric, the grandbabies and her imediate family.

Thank you for everyone helping and standing behind her.

We all can venture to guess that DM as well as Kristie reads here continually.

A word of advice: Make the call to the authorities, meet them in person, and let them take your statement. If you continue in way you are going…….it will only get harder on you. Life is going to get real rough. Its going to end up a real night mare for you that you will never be able get away from……

You won’t want that for you.

You don’t want that for the babies.

PS……Kay doesn’t care what trash nor pain is dug up about Eric. If you dish it out, then it will be analyzed and used in finding Eric. If that is what it takes, so be it.

Thnx for responding Kay.
I will be sending an email to Val to forward to you
with some thoughts I don’t want to leave here.

mishell: “I could be way off base but I know I could text my kid and say a few things that would wake her ass up…I cannot be the only one that has that power over a kid-get a grp DM-you have the power-do it.”

…i can’t think of any possible thing that would have my kids on the run, not answering my messages/calling me—–short of murder——–and their involvement in it.

…people, esp. with kids, are not invisible—–and they can’t run forever.

…kristi ‘s best shot is to come forward NOW, voluntarily, let grandma take care of the kids, and tell LE all that she knows.

..p.s.—–in the case where more than one person is involved in “something bad”—–it’s whoever talks to LE first——–that gets the best deal.

COL I am so sorry you hurt so bad too. But thank you so much for getting that email off maybe if we all keep sending them they will get an interest. Seemeatt he beach .. you rock!!!! sorry for the reason for the trip but thank you for putting up the flyers!
I just got back from the doctor at 7pm tonight, I took a fall on Friday night and did more damage than we thought. .. I have to go again on this Friday to see the surgeon to see if more surgery is going to be needed.
Mishell There are two of our babies with her, thank God the one in between Ivy and Damion is with his daddy safe and sound.
Yes Theo that is where it comes from her I don’t give a damn about anyone but me comes from the same place!! They are the kind to call someone up and threaten to do harm to them and then think no concequenses will be forth coming!!

ellejay said …i can’t think of any possible thing that would have my kids on the run, not answering my messages/calling me—–short of murder——–and their involvement in it. THAT IS WHAT I AM AFRAID OF. AS FAR AS I KNOW KRISTI IS DOING NOTHING TO FIND HER HUSBUND, MY CHILD, HER CHILDERNS FATHER!!! WHY? COULD IT BE THAT SHE ALREADY KNOWS WHERE HE IS AND THAT HE WON’T BE COMING BACK??
And you are right the one who talks first usually walks free firsst or at least does not get the needle…..

Karen and Mark, tell Kristi if she wants to keep the rest of her stuff then go talk to the cops here, in Reno, in Washington, in TIMBUCKTOO. WE DON’T CARE WHERE, JUST DO IT!! If she wants me to pay for that pod this month then I want the ruckus and all the rest of Eric’s stuff. We have gotten all of the money to pay for this months rent on the moving Pod. We even have someone to go get the things that belong to Eric, so what do you all say?? Want us to pay this months rent??? Then you know my email address…..Yes or no??? Simple question yes or no?????? The clock is ticking on this offer so have her come in and talk…….

The University of Nevada at Reno has a fine journalism school, as does the University of Oregon in Eugene–what about trying to get a student journalist to highlight the case? I’m near neither place, but I can see a student journalist being fascinated and concerned at what has happened.

Kay said,
Yes Theo that is where it comes from her I don’t give a damn about anyone but me comes from the same place!! They are the kind to call someone up and threaten to do harm to them and then think no concequenses will be forth coming!
________________________________________________

Kay,

Are you being threatened by Kristi or her family?

Mishell,

You said, “If that was my daughter, I would get in my dang car and drive to the known places where she was…….”

You are right.

But, you wouldn’t need to or want to do that if you already knew where she was, where she has been, and helping her to get to her next destination…..even getting her gas money.

Remind you anyone? Cindyyyyyyyyyyy Anthonyyyyyyyyyyyy

Peediffinny you said:

“Daughter’s Mom,
Why didn’t you tell everyone that you talked to your daughter and Tim on July 2nd and instead put up a Newsflash that My daughter called and said kids are safe on the 5th? Did she call two times?

7/2 – You said ‘Last time I talked to Kristi was on the 28th.
7/5 – News flash – I talked to Kristi and kids are fine.
7/10 – ‘I last talked to him (Tim) on Friday, July 2nd as well as Kristi.”

See…….much more behind the scene on Daughter’s Mom……….

DM states the “children are safe!” How does she KNOW that?????? Welllllll her confidence comes from having constant contact with her daughter.

After a little research I found:

July 2 Daughters Mom says:

“I already have a call into the detective…therefore I believe she is running and I feel my grandchildren are in danger…Please come home and bring those babies here and help us find Eric.”

July 13 Daughters Mom say:

“I believe my daughter is the Key to all of this because like I said she knows everything that went on in that house and our grand babies need to found asap.”

Later Daughters Mom says:

“…let me remind everyone that my kids have not been accused of anything, have not been arrested…the only thing my kids have not done is talk and that my friends is NOT AGAINS THE LAW…”

1. Analyze what she HERSELF says about her own daughter. She knew/knows they are in danger and she KNOWS that Kristie is the Key.

2. She says that Kristie KNOWS everything that went on in that house.

3. She knew/knows she is running!

4. Does she have a split personality or………is it that she is now in cahoots (sp) with her daughter and son and is helping them….?????

Something is reallllllly wrong with this picture.

This appears to be going in circles! Poor Eric. Hope LE can find those innocent children asap! Who is fooling whom??

MLR,

DM is in moderation, but I have not prevented a single comment by her from coming through so far. She has not attempted to post in days now.

Randie:
It’s obvious where she is coming from…imo

I have never posted on this site before, but have read alot. I love thehinkymeter and Val is wonderful. I stayed up so late last night reading through all of the articles on Eric and the comments. It is really close to my heart as my sons name is also Eric. I have to say Kay is obviously a very strong, loving and beautiful mother. I pray for your family and hope beyond hope that Eric is still with us as I know I would not be able to bare the thought of losing one of my children.
I only have my thoughts as far as what and where. I believe that Kristi, Tim and kids are living in a yurt somewhere off grid. Im guessing Oregon, only because her mother states that they are NOT there. If they dont want to be found they are going to say NO we are Not in Oregon…I also believe that Kristi knows exactly what where etc about Eric. I believe that the children especially Ivy also knows alot….She may be a witness to everything that occured and therefore this is why no contact allowed with the kids. In a few months it will be extremely cold there and no way to live out in the wilderness without freezing to death. I also believe that Kristis mother and possibly Kristis new boyfriend which I am assuming she has one are funding this retreat..Money will run out and drug addicts will never be far from their next fix, so cant be out in the woods all the time. If there is anything I can do to help I will.
Prayers to Erics family and God BLess

KlassKids@pacbell.net might also be able to give more info. on what steps to take.

Val,
MCSAR might pass all info. to other LE Officers. (I should change my name to Moderation Mary Beth…

val, this is WY Auntie Marcie using Kay:s computer.

@ Theo,
Thank you for the idea of a journalism student.
Great Idea. Will check that out . It sparked an idea …
what about a legal student to help us out too?

@ Randy,
Thanks for your research back through the thread..
you are too modest, that takes a LOT of research time!
You make some very valid points, and thought provoking
questions?

@ Sweet T,
Thank you for your compasionate posting.
IMO,,,,You are probably right on with your supposition that
the group is in hiding in a yert.If my memory (which is not
good , HaHa) searves me…. I think yerts were originally
designed and used in areas of extreme cold. There shape is
similar to an Iglo for even distribution of heat. Also similsr
in shape to a Hogon commonly used by Native Peoples of
the South West.
As to your concerns for Ivy. The Family also fears for Ivy as well.
In the past she witnessed an altercation between her parents .
She was able to do a he said, she said, he did, she did
accounting of the incident to the police. That was a year ago.
She is a smart little girl, and now a year older.

Concerning the 11 hr disappearance, Kristi called her mom( in New Mexico) telling her of her predicament and stating that Eric had thrown his phone in anger and lost it. How can that be? He spoke to his mom after Kristi had already gone. Kristi wouldn’t have known about the phone unless she came back home. It is my strong belief that Eric disappeared during this so called 11 hr. time period and the phone call to her mom that Kristi made was for an alibi or this strange man may be an accomplice. If the location from where the phone call was made were known that would be a great starting point to search for Eric.

Daughter’s Mom….did you offer your phone records to LE willingly to help or did they have to get a subpoena for those further delaying the search for Eric….

Concerning Ivy, If I am remotely correct in what I believe then Ivy was most likely asleep and hopefully didn’t see or hear what went on. I don’t think Kristi would have left her alone for long periods of time with Eric’s Step sisters if Ivy knew anything. It would have been too easy for Ivy to tell what mom did.

» Anastasia I spoke with Eric earlier in the day I think his cousin or stepsiser Janie called him later. I don’t remrber which one ous m he said she was gong to get food. ik know he said when she got up form her map she was goig, Shannie do ou know which one of us spoke to Eric last?

I think SweetT is on target. I think Tim and Kristi are camping out in the wilderness. I have asked over and over again if they had the skills to do that. Karen has never answered that question. That was also why I asked about the gun, for hunting purposes. I wonder about Oregon wilderness as well. Tim was familiar with the state and probably knows exactly where to go to get lost. I would think one could live for a lifetime and no one ever know where they are…..but what about the children?

Karen…please consider what this is doing to Ivy and Damion. They may be physically safe, but they are living in fear and desolation. Now I am a firm believer that they could live happily ever after without the benefit of society, BUT, are Tim and Kristi willing and able to make that a viable lifestyle? I am thinking…NOT! They have lost their Daddy and their grandparents. They have lost their friends and the life they have known since they were born. Can Tim and Kristi help them cope with this loss? Can Tim and Kristi make it without the world they know? What happens if the children get sick or injured? Will the adults know how to medically help them? Kristi is a DANCER not a survivalist. What was Tim’s occupation? COULD he survive in the wilderness? If you think he can, great, but I would also suggest to you that his survival will be much easier than insuring the survival of two small children. What he could do on his own when he disappears for weeks/months, won’t work with kids in tow. They wander away, they get sick easier, they whine when silence is necessary, they just simply break easier than an adult. Do either of them know what they are getting into? Is Kristi willing to forgo ever having another mate/lover? Is Tim? How do they deal with loneliness? Because it will surely come given their ages, unless they have a really kinky relationship. If you have any idea they are doing this, please answer the above questions for yourself. It will be winter sooner than this will be forgotten. Animals will start moving down the mountains preparing for the winter…hungry animals that are out of their normal habitat. Please consider these things before it is too late. I know very, very little about surviving in the wild…I have only “camped” in an RV and in State/Private campgrounds. It is a bit fun, but one HECK of a lot of work. I could NOT survive in the wilderness and I am probably better equipped to do so than those two are. If you think they can do this and avoid the questions about Eric, whatever happened, I believe you are tragically mistaken. I don’t think they can do it and I think their very lives are in danger….all of them, the babies as well. Please do what is BEST for your children. Their best interest is not served by helping them stay on the run, if that is what you are doing.

as afraid as Ivy is of her moter I would not rule our her knowing whats what on this fight they had. The fights were VERY loud, loud enoughfor the neighbor accross the street in Phnx, where she told all to the officers,

Eric’s Mom;

I am hoping Kristi needs female products and someone will see her. She can’t live in the wilderness with this fact unless she has no female plumbing? these matters are of fact. She will need this stuff until she is at least 50 or so and that is a long way off. That is why I left flyer’s at Walgreens and Walmarts and KMarts, and Dollar stores. I out west 8 hours from Vegas, so if God willing if she walks into these places someone will recognize her.

Actions speak louder than words. If Kristi, Tim and the children are REALLY missing, someone from their family would be HERE trying to help find them. I am afraid this looks worse every day.

SunnyDeed: EXCELLENT…I would not have thought of that! Good idea!

So Ivy is afraid of her Mother?I hadnt heard that before.
What small little girl is afraid of their Mother-they should adore mommy and want to be just like momma-why on earth would she be afraid of mommie dearest?
I guess we will find out-as stated upthread-TIME IS COMING_THEY JUST DONT KNOW IT.
You can run but you cannot hide-especially with the children.
I have a feeling that when the walls close in on Kristi she will slip up and all hell will break loose.
It is abvious Eric didnt dissappear on his own-soory Kay-there is always hope but Kristi must have another reason-a man of course.
unless this man is holding a gun to her head-she is up to her eyeballs in this.
I wonder why Nancy Grace hasnt picked up on this(correct me if I am wrong)but seems to me she is an advocate for children.Or do you have to be registered lawfully as a missing child?
Wow-what webs we weave-Kristi-if you are reading-for the love of God so whats right by your children-doesnt your other child wonder where you are?Just drop the children off at the closest 7-11 or the furthest for that matter-you will save your own hide in the long run-if it is savable at this point
Karen-you know the power you hold-use it for Gods sake.Quit being a mamby pamby and get on the horn and tell the truth.
kristi obviously has gotten a pre paid phone by now so she can communicate-for all we know the entore family has gooten pre paid phones and they all know what is the real deal.
Agai-Karen you have all the power-do something with it!
Frustrated…

sorry for the typos

Kay, have you considered consulting with a Family law attorney, explaining the situation and seeing as to what rights you may have and what you can do? In a situation like this, The attorney might take your case pro bono and might get the ball rolling on finding the babies sooner. Most attorney’s do not charge for the initial consultation. If you are familiar with the Haylee Donathan case from last year, Her mother took off with her and a tier 3 RSO who had escaped from a work release program. Haylee’s g’mom got an attorney so that she could get temporary custody thus providing the right criteria to issue an amber alert since Haylee was with her mother who had legal custody of her.

I do NOT understand WHY these children are not being viewed legally as missing. They may be in the custody of their mother, BUT the mother, theoretically, has not had any contact with those she would normally contact AND she did not show up where she said she was going. I honestly believe that if Karen contacted authorities with the information she has posted, they would look for this family. They are MISSING!!!!! And for a long period of time. Somethings hinky.

frankie said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 12:07:06 }

I agree with you completely. I wouldn’t stop pestering the authorities until they acted just to get me off their back. And then I’d keep in touch with them daily. I feel like she knows much more than she is saying.

Anastasia: I am beginning to wonder if Karen has even reported Kristi and the kids missing. If she did, why is she not being taken seriously. I just cannot believe LE would let it go like that. Dad vanishes and now Mom AND the kids? Nah, someone credible is telling LE they are not missing or else LE has not been contacted. Poor babies….I hope they are OK.

heard something second hand soooo, anyway Kay, Eric’s mom talked to LE seems they are really working hard on this every day. the folks I talked to were pretty tight lipped but at least kristi seems ro have some contact with her mom and she is ok so guess the kids are too. I just keep praying that she will go to her moms or maybe her dad? anybody know where or if he is still alive? sorry if that was up thread may have missed it. good idea about the lawyer maybe the gmas could do that together so they both could take care of the kids?
I think Karen knows just where her daughter is and that the kids are at least as ok as they can be without their dad with him bein missing, or she would be here begging for help to find them to.

I had a bad day today, most of my day was spent crying. I keep having this dream where the babies are hungry and crying for their daddy. I pray tonight and every night that they are fed well, warm and clean, I know Kristi is a neat freak so I hope that continues with the kids. Kristi , I am sorry if what I have said here has upset you, I just want my son back, one way or another I just want to bring him home. You can go a long way in telling where he can be found. It has been too long and you know it, he would not stay mad this long. He has forgiven you so many things, he still loves “his” boy Gage, as much as he loves Ivy and Damion. Please call the detective and tell him all you know. The offer of paying for the pod for the next payment still is an option, all I want is what belongs to Eric, including his scooter, I will take over the payments on that and get them off your back. Tell Det. Myers your answer if you don’t want to call me or use the valhall@thehinkymeter.com email and she will let me know what your answer is. I have a family member up that way that can come get all the stuff and it will make it so you don’t have to pay for the pod for August.
Today Coby came to me and said, Mom I know Kristi loves Eric and her cards say she loves me, I pray for her all the time, her and Ivy and Baby D. I know Jehovah will tell her to do the right thing and maybe she will call me. He has such a childs way of looking at things, he says he just wants to talk to her and tell her he loves her and the kids and remeber to read the Bible we gave her.
Kristi, Coby is having more and more seizures they are getting worse with each one, you know how he fixates on one thing, and Eric being gone, well that is a real stresser , more stress more seizures.
I guess that is all I wanted to share with you at this time.
To all who are praying for our families, we thank you, for all of you putting up flyers we bless you, for all of you traveling, please look at the people you see walking along the roads or holding a sign for help. As we said we just want to bring Eric home.

I’ve been following Eric’s story and am so sorry you are going through this. I’m worried for the children. I did post a request on WS’s astrology forum. Maybe they can give some insight into where he is now, or where the kids are. They may need Eric’s date of birth, or possibly his time of birth.

Kay,

Coby is probably talking about “cards” that come with gifts (just clarifying).

Randie

Kay,

You have such a kind heart. Though Kristi appears to know more than we are being told, you are still reaching out to her. Hoping you get a call soon. v

Randy, you are correct he meant cards that came with gifts, although we do not celebrate the holidays Kristi always made sre Coby go somehing in the mail. He misses her and Eric very much. Even though we apprciate all the help we have been gieven and all of the love and prayerswe mean no disrespect, but we are not the able to accept the offer of some one doing astrology.
We hope all will continue to put up flyers and We hope o have more for you soon with some bettter pictures that we have found. If someone who knows hoe to do tht could let Val know so I can send the pidtures I would appreciate it.
Kay

Kay, Eric’s Mom:
You also might email Art Harris, or visit his website…Art@artharris.com

He’s very kind, and I think he will help you if he is able to. He is on Nancy Grace often, he just might get the info. to her so that you would have national media. It’s worth a try.

» toasty1 said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 05:07:46 }
Kay, Eric’s Mom:
You also might email Art Harris, or visit his website…Art@artharris.com

He’s very kind, and I think he will help you if he is able to. He is on Nancy Grace often, he just might get the info. to her so that you would have national media. It’s worth a try.
I just sent him and a reporter from Eugene, OR the information and a link to this site,
Thank you soooo much.

According to Kristis mom Karen, posted on the causes pages yesterday.
” Kristi and the kids are not missing, I have talked to her, and they are fine”.
Well thats fantastic…so where are they, where have they been, when are they
coming home ….? I seriously doubt I will get a response which is the same
reason why I removed her comment from the causes page.

Finally, some local coverage:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100722/NEWS/100722043/1321/news/Reno-police-today-release-photograph-of-man-missing-since-April-24–seek-public-s-help

Ruckstar Great a least thats a start hopefully more will pickup on this report..

Well, apparently Kristi isn’t missing because DM knows exactly where Kristi is and what she’s been up to. I’m sure DM has known for quite a while and has lied to all of us including poor Kay. DM, why in the world do you think it’s OK for your daughter to avoid talking to LE or Kay? Why do you think it’s OK for Kay to suffer and not be able to even talk to her grandchildren? Why do you think no one has heard from Eric? Do you honestly believe he just walked away and turned his back on his children and his mother? I know you won’t answer this, but I’d give it a shot anyways.

» Ruckster said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 06:07:07 }
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Thank goodness!

Kay,

I’m very sorry Coby is having so many seizures. Your strength is unbelieveable. I was wondering if you know of any other sightings from the flyers we’ve put up? Has there been anything credible to come in? I don’t want you to have false hopes like I once gave you ( I’m sorry for that by the way) but at the same time, I’m hopeful that someone, somewhere can give some information regarding Eric’s disappearance.

Maybe now with the Reno paper covering Eric’s story, you can get more attention on him. I am praying! You have my e-mail so if you need to talk you can.

» Eric’s Cousin…Shantell Quinn said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 06:07:15 }
According to Kristis mom Karen, posted on the causes pages yesterday.
” Kristi and the kids are not missing, I have talked to her, and they are fine”.
Well thats fantastic…so where are they, where have they been, when are they
coming home ….? I seriously doubt I will get a response which is the same
reason why I removed her comment from the causes page.
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I am so furious and totally disgusted with Kristi’s mom.
Didn’t trust her from the beginning here. HOW, can this
woman even think for a second, that her assurances that
the children are OK will be accepted by ANYONE ???

Checked out the coverage @ RJG. Not much of a story
and nothing, in my opinion that will rattle cages in Reno
and cause locals to give the story a second thought.

» Marica said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 10:07:52
Checked out the coverage @ RJG. Not much of a story
and nothing, in my opinion that will rattle cages in Reno
and cause locals to give the story a second thought.
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But, it’s coverage and someone deserves to be thanked for covering it when so many other media outlets have not even responded to repeated efforts. It’s getting Eric’s photo out there and might just reach the right person. Thanks RGJ.com…and thanks whoever worked hard enough to bring Eric’s story to them so that they thought it was important enough to print. It’s a start.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100722/NEWS/100722043/1321/news/Reno-police-today-release-photograph-of-man-missing-since-April-24–seek-public-s-help

This is a press release from one of the news papers please take a look. I hope to beable to make up some better flyers than what they have.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100722/NEWS/100722043/1321/news/Reno-police-today-release-photograph-of-man-missing-since-April-24–seek-public-s-help

this is on the web at one of the papers sites about Eric, we are putting together better missing posters and you can go to namus for a much better one.

I have bugged the LE for months now almost daily to get his face out there, not much to go on and maybe someone will get in touch with some of us who can give more information.

There should be an article in the papers in Eugene, OR in a day or so. I have been contacted by a reporter who says he will TRY to get more of a word out than what was published in the Reno paper. MLR I thank you for even sharing that you thought you had seen him, and not just said “well problly not him forget it” , you have brooght our family some hope that somewhere he will be recognised as being seen in the Company of so and so or I saw him in the part at that place. We live with hope in our hearts. We prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
God never allows us to be given more than we can handle, I just wish he did not have quite so much confedence in me.
know tha LE is working on this everyday, the detective says this is all he does from the time he comes into work until he leaves at the end of the day.
We even have one in Eugene, OR that takes it home with him and reads and re-reads all the information trying to put it all together.
So thank you for all the prayers, for that is where my strength comes from, Jehovah is my rock and my crag and my safe place to hide. Those who have done this thing to my son will have no where to hide when the time comes.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7662/0/

this is the namus site

I have been trying to keep up with this case as time allows, thanks to Val and Eric’s family. Bless your hearts.
I see there is a connection to Reno and Oregon and I think New Mexico? Are fliers being put up in NM? I have many a family in Albuquerque that I can ask to put up fliers. Also, I live in Denver (I don’t think there’s a connection there?) but if I can help, please let me know and I will put up fliers in the metro area.

P.S I wish I had comforting words for Eric’s family, but what can you say in a situation like this? I do want to say that when I look into Eric’s eyes in the pics, I see a decent and good hearted man. His eyes are warm and piercing. May God bring Eric home safely and back to his family and beloved children… where he belongs.

P.S.S I hope the cops are keeping tabs on Daughters Mom. Something just isn’t right about the daughter or her, I am sorry to say.

Awwww Kay, your right God does not give us more than what we can handle. Kay you have more strength than you give yourself credit for,,,,,,,,,remember I know you and i know what you can handle and i know deep down in my heart that you can handle this your one tuff cookie. I know you dont think that you can handle much more but girly i know you can handle whatever is thown in your path,, remember ive watched you handle alot i do mean alot and you know what im talking about, so keep your head held high and your faith in check and just lay it all in Gods hands remember he is carrying you in his arms remember the poem footprints in the sand, he is there with you. I pray for you and coby and all the rest of your family everynite. and i cry with you always i love eric too always like one of my own. I am asking God to let you have the healing rest you need so you can fight this battle strong. And if you need me get ahold of me and i will be there in a blink of the eye.

Donna K, I hope you don’t mind me adding this for Eric’s family.

Jesus says:
Mat 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

Mat 11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.

Mat 11:30 “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

(NASB Version)

yes fliers have been put up here in new mexico, as there’s a family that owns the local grocery store and they have been putting flyers in there stores, as well as friends from high school as well, reagn denver is fine, as flyers are up in durango, more friends from high school, and a family friend has been putting up flyers in the eastern part of CO, so flyers anywhere as reagn you have probably read the other threads and flyers are up coast to coast, anything that helps get eric’s face out there is good

» Reagan said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 01:07:55 }
I have been trying to keep up with this case as time allows, thanks to Val and Eric’s family. Bless your hearts.
I see there is a connection to Reno and Oregon and I think New Mexico? Are fliers being put up in NM? I have many a family in Albuquerque that I can ask to put up fliers. Also, I live in Denver (I don’t think there’s a connection there?) but if I can help, please let me know and I will put up fliers in the metro area.
We have family in Auroa, CO, and Eric and Kristi lved there for a time sp yes PLEASE UP FLYERS, and thanky fpur nice complimnet you have given my so, he is waarm and loving and always took cae of others before himself,

Thank you Donna, I will be in touch as soon as I get back from Durango for my posst op check up. I love you girl, I wish we lived across from one another and hve a coffee together like old ttimes. ……….I miss your kids too,those are the memries I hang onto.

Brother that rides, I try to keep up but yes, I just saw upthread that someone is posting fliers in Penn, maryland, virginia and D.C.

I will work on getting fliers printed out ASAP when I wake up and can post them in Denver and Aurora (much bigger city than denver). I’ll ask my sis if she can post some in Thornton also.

Also, my mothers fiancée is one of the sergeant (sp?) of detectives for APD. I’ll ask him what other steps can be taken and see if he can possibly get the word out too.

I’ll report back later tomorrow. God bless you to Eric’s family and friends.

Wow what are the chances about the Aurora connection. I will definitely start there first and talk to my moms fiance ASAP.

» Mimi said: { Jul 22, 2010 – 11:07:13 }
Thanks RGJ.com…and thanks whoever worked hard enough to bring Eric’s story to them so that they thought it was important enough to print. It’s a start.
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You are right of course about the Reno news paper being a start.
Just frustrates me that the story doesn’t tell much about WHY
Eric is being looked for. Yeah, I know, the news paper can’t do
what we do here. They could end being sued. Thank GOD we
have the freedom to speak our minds here.
If ONLY the whole country could KNOW how the truth is being
twisted and hidden by Kristi, her Mother and brother.

Brother that rides said: { Jul 21, 2010 – 11:07:12 }

….maybe her dad? anybody know where or if he is …..
_________________
Alive and well here… the link takes you to W.R.M.

http://tinyurl.com/2ec5v99

Marica said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 04:07:17
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Oh, I didn’t mean that as a jab at you Marica. You feel as frustrated as everyone else. I know your comment only comes from how much you care.

we should all make sure we comment on the article if they get a larger response they might cover it further, we should also link the hinky so ppl can get the REAL story

I live in the midwest and there is a county fair this weekend-I will take fliers and post them there-we are a small community but carnies travel all over-hopefully I can be friend a few and ask them to take fliers with them to the next towns they travel to.
Its worth a shot…
Prayers to you and your family Kay-I wish there was more I could do.

which are the best fliers?

well you really don’t need the link to the hinkymeter, since it has a link to the fb page, and there if they go down they can find the link to the hinky meter

» Lyn_T said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 05:07:14 }
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Thanks Lyn, that’s the connection I ws trying to make with the poster that said she and karen had W.R.M in common! That poster is either a girlfriend or new wife of Kristi’s dad!

So, he lives in Libby, Montana. Do we know if the police have been there? Who lives in that area that can put up flyers of Kristi, Tim and kids?

IMO, they are near or with family. there is no way they can survive off the land with these two small babies. Someone, Somewhere is helping them!!

Mrs C. Hop said

we should all make sure we comment on the article if they get a larger response they might cover it further, we should also link the hinky so ppl can get the REAL story

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I completely agree! Going to do that now

» Mimi said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 07:07:54 }
Marica said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 04:07:17
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Oh, I didn’t mean that as a jab at you Marica. You feel as frustrated as everyone else. I know your comment only comes from how much you care.
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Mimi, didn’t take it as a jab at me. You were so right though.
At the time I commented I was feeling so frustrated. If lil ole
me, her smack dab in the middle of Iowa corn fields is feeling
this, what must Eric’s family, (the family who loves him) must
be going through. I just wish the paper could have pointed to
the fact that although his wife LAST saw him, it was his MOTHER
who reported him missing. Wife flat out is avoiding LE.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100722/NEWS/100722043/1321/news/Reno-police-today-release-photograph-of-man-missing-since-April-24–seek-public-s-help
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Well, everyone…here’s the story but there isn’t even one comment that I can see (Unless I don’t know the proper way to see them?) Anyway, it is a good idea that Mrs C Hop made…the more people who comment maybe the more the newspaper will see how much Eric means to everyone. I’m going to go leave a comment now and I hope others do, too.

I am not able to make a comment on the article because it seems that function has been disabled. However, I did write a thank you email to the newspaper for running the article. (Hope that is alright, Kay.)

I was just able to add my comment to the Eric article at the Reno Journal Gazette.

Mimi: try again, it takes forever to load, but if you scroll down to the bottom it will let you register then send you a link. I had issues with the link the first time.

Mimi,

There are 17 comments are the story, not enough but a great start! Like shantell said, they are at the bottom below the adds and yes it does take a bit for them to load. You do have to register but that part is really simple. Good luck

Reagan said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 02:07:29 } You are AWSOME please ask val for my email address if you need to have more personal info than is even out here, although I don’t know what else I could disclose about our family accecpt maybe the last time I went to the bathroom…lol
We have family in Aurora and Denver and Colorado Springs area that is a possibility that Eric might show up there.

I have sent an email to the thorne@register.com with this message;
Eric has been missing since April 20th, under very suspicious circumstances, It took me, his mother, three weeks to finally get someone to listen and let me report him missing from Reno, NV. The detective on the case released a generic press release and left it at that. We, his family are not willing to let that be the only coverage Eric receives from your area. We are in New Mexico and unable to make a lot of noise from here. You are there and maybe we can get some fire works going with your help.
The detective is KC Myers as you probably know, the case number is 10-13551
Thank you for your time;
Kay Wilson

Please help us to let the community know that this father of two, who loves his kids more than life it’s self has vanished and it has taken three months to get anything moving on this case. With the help of this site called http://www.thehinkymeter.com has been a God send, and I hope to add you to that list.
Sincerely;
Kay Wilson

I am sending the same message to all of the papers in New Mexico and hope to get a response asap. in the message I send them it includes personal informtion I don’t feel sade giving out like my addess and phone numbers.

I just sent a message on the same page as the picture of Eric is on in the Register. I hope they will contact us for more info. I have been at doctor’s appts all day and am just wiped out. I will come back on later tonight, but I have to take some pain medicine and lay down before I fall down.
Love to you all, my HInky family. talk to you later.

Reagan please have your family post flyers of all of them in New Mexico and any where else. As I say we have family all over the united states so anywhere you are there is a chnace he could show up there.

kAY ERIKS MOM….Rome wasnt built in a day an each of us Hinkyites will continue to lay brick by Brick ,We have started the foundations an will continue to build upwards untill this case can no longer be ignored.I posted 5 airmail letters to dateline G M A ect on Monday as yet have received no reply but its a bit to early to expect one .Even if its just a polite dismisal,I have also been visiting Paltalk chatrooms everyday an postin links to the missing posters for Erik.I also wonder if Val has any conections to blogtalk radio to see if they can do a peice on Eriks disapearance as this seems to be the kind of case Ive heard them cover in the past.I know Marinade Dave is reviled by many Bloggers but he is a geust on there show most weeks an may have some input in getting Eriks case featured.They have being running a story the last month with very similar circumstances to your sons disapearance.

Woo Hoo news channel 4 in Reno did a story on Eric!!!

http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=23617

» Mimi said: { Jul 23, 2010 – 07:07:55 }
I am not able to make a comment on the article because it seems that function has been disabled. However, I did write a thank you email to the newspaper for running the article
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Mimi you have to register. Took a while to figure it out, but I got it done and commented.
There is a good number of comments but not as many as I would like to see. Left a message for the paper asking them to STAY on TOP of this story. There were several who gave link to TheHinkyMeter. Moving at a snails pace, but none the less moving. Kay must be exhausted from all of her effort just to get this far.
Every who has commented, go back, comment again. To those that have’t…
PLEASE DO TAKE TIME TO COMMENT!

Thanks MLR and I did post on that comments and it took a bit of doing but it can be done, just keep trying please.
I have to lay down again neck feels like it is on fire.
love to all, Kay

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO COMMENT LIKE MLR SAID IT HAS BEEN A LONG HARD ROW TO HOE. WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW WE ARE HERE AND NOT GOING AWAY, ERIC IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE OTHERS WHO ARE MISSING,JUST BECAUSE HE IS OLDER DOES NOT MAKE HIM ANY LESS IN NEED OF HELP. HE IS ENDANGERED AND NEEDS TO BE FOUND!!!

I did comment on the newest news article (never got my confirmation email on the rg site). It showed my username as “.”…so I’m not sure what I did wrong there. pffffft

» Valhall said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 12:07:36 }
I did comment on the newest news article (never got my confirmation email on the rg site). It showed my username as “.”…so I’m not sure what I did wrong there. pffffft
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LOL Val mine came up the same way as a (.) period!

Here are a couple more news links on Eric.

[EDITED BY VALHALL: Neither link you posted goes to a story about Eric.]

I just left a comment under ‘Chris C’ and it went right through.

And another Eric link…finally.

http://www.reno.gov/index.aspx?page=576&recordid=4995

Awesome – that’s the city of Reno website!

Val I’m glad to see you are covering this story. I have been noticing searches for all of these names on my stat counter for a while now, but hadn’t heard of this case before. There is obviously great interest. I will take the time to educate myself here. To Eric’s family, please take care of each other. Sending up prayers for strength for you all and for the truth to come out and your loved ones returned.

Looks like we are getting closer to the Associated Press, as another news outlet has picked up the story.
http://www.localxxl.com/us/local_news/reno-washoe-county-nv/missing-person-eric-preimesberger-1279924237-fts/

Thanks to everyone who is putting up flyers, and emailing this site and sharing the video. Its paying off, finally media attention. Now to bring all of them home.

-S

Shantell, I read at MY4 News, a comment by Krisit’s mother that Kristi is now speaking in detail to the police…do you know if this is true? Kristi’s mother also claims that she has spoken to Kristi AND the children…do you know if this is true? (I’m sure at least that this is true as I suspected that for some time now. Kristi had to be getting money from somewhere.)
Has Kay been allowed to speak to the children or is it just Karen who has? If Kay has been kept out of the loop of speaking with the children that is so unfair. Just how cruel that would be…! Not illegal for Kristi to deny them the opportunity to speak with Kay…just plain mean and cruel is all.

Hey! That now makes 4 Reno media sites that are covering the story…congratulations! Now…for CONTINUING coverage…I hope that everyone leaves comments on all 4 sites. More interest = possibly more coverage.

From what I heard…Kristi left a message on Kay’s machine mid July, poor Kay
was resting from her surgery and missed it.

And before I get kicked into moderation, Im just gonna leave it at that. However
those comments…

If Kristi is speaking to LE, is it in person or on the site? It doesn’t count if she is typing to them, a face to face is the only way anything she says is really going to matter IMO.

I am having a hard time signing in… I have tried all day. Is there some magic to it? Never had so much trouble with something like this before. What I did do was call and try to get a fax number to send something and then my faxe barfed out to liitle plasitc roller thingy’s. Not having a good day obviously. Kay, Eric’s mom, my daughter took fylers to NM, her father-in-law lives in Amorgorda. She called yesterday and said she went to a hamburger place, not sure if she said Mcdonalds’ but anyway she posted a flyer in the restroom and asked a guy (stranger) to put one in the men’s room.

The manager allowed them to put one in the drive thru so hopefully Eric is being viewed by more people in NM. I am still sending up prayers for you and yours and it seems to me that soon you will know something. I am going to keep trying to login to the newspaper facebook and I won’t give up. Have a peaceful night.

Thank you to all sooo much, all I can do this day is cry again. karen had found a new plave to spew venom and she is at it with a vngence, Her Ex called here and told my hubby to keep his f….ng bi,,ch on a leash and that if not they will blow up our house or worse.
All I want of these sites of the news is to bring Eric to the for front and here she is again saying But wait LOOK AT MY DAUGHTER. she has heard from her daughter I have not heard from Eric going on 95 days now. 95 days since he kissed his babies good night and said I love you to any of us. And now I find out Karen has been talking to them all along and she lied to me about it and I am being blocked from even hearing from my granbabies. I hurt so bad both physically and mentally , I have to put all my faith that Jehovah will bring us through this and get whomever is resposible for all of this heartache and pain. His is the vengenve that I will await. For his vengence will be far worse than any man could ever come up with.
If Kristi is talking to law enforcment and really being forthcoming then I should know by this time tomorrow where my son is…

Thank you sunnydeeds for the flyers by and in the restooms. You are the greatest.

Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 11:07:27
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I would record and report all threatening phone calls to LE immediately.
I’m sorry for what you are going through Kay but you are acting as any loving mother of a missing son would act and that does not justify phone calls that are threatening or that make you feel worse than you already do. You do not have to put up with that kind of trash behavior from anyone.

Anyway, Kay, you said that LE reads this blog so I doubt you have a thing to worry about anyway!

Kay, Your courage, strength and patience are amazing.
I cannot believe Karen is saying, or allowing anyone else
to say and do the things you are reporting here.
This woman must have mush for brains. WHAT in the
world is she THINKING Or is she even THINKING.
Everything she says, does, and allows to be done on her
behalf (the threatening phone call) is putting her and her
precious daughter in an even greater focus by LE.
You may have to ask for a retraining order against her to
save your sanity from this vindictive creature.
I am pleased to hear local media has at last began to get
the information about Eric out to the public.
Kay I admire you very much. So very sorry you are being
put through such hell.
I hope the Hinky support is making the whole affair a bit
less stressful, knowing you have so much support here.

Wow! I just spent hours reading here about this case. That was a lot of information! I’m in West Central Illinois so I don’t know if hanging fliers here would be much help although I am willing to do so. I can post these fliers on my blog and Facebook and MySpace pages. I checked the “Help Find The Missing Website” and didn’t find Eric or Kristi and the kids there. I would be glad to get them added there, however, it might be good for a family member to contact them. Here is the URL:

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/missing_database/

Prayers for all of your loved ones to come home safely and soon!

This was printed on July 20th on behalf of Kay.

[“Oh there is so much going on right now behind the scenes that would boggle the minds, so much we cannot share out here in the light of day as of yet.”

The weekend starting on Friday was reallllllly hard on Kay. And today was just NOT a good day. She hurts physically and emotionaly and over the last few days has had to make some tough decisions. All in the best interests of Eric, the grandbabies and her imediate family.]

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Because of the issues and information that was going on behind the scenes Kay was not at liberty to talk about it. Still probably isn’t.

But, it looks like most of you have read or figured but from other sites what has been going on. It has pained Kay greatly. The time we spend on the phone is mostly giving her a shoulder to cry on. I live so far away I can’t even hug and squeeze her. Sometime when I get off the phone all I do is cry.

A mother sometimes will do what they thnk is in the best interest of heir child. And at times will go to great lengths to protect them. And sometimes those actions can be really irresponsable…… Daughters Mom has done and said and acated in a way that she thinks is protecting her daughter.

In the process she is destroying Kay……and her family.

Thankyou for all your support, help, flyers, love, wishes, prayers, footwork, typing, research, and sluething……THANK YOU!

Randie

first randie, thank you for that, Im sorry I cause you to greive after our conversations, but with your help I am gettig through this with my spiritual health intact.

katfish, Im not sure how to put him on that site, I did go to the contact button and have had not gotten an answer as of yet

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#1 07-16-2010, 03:51 AM
chaycesmom
Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6

NV – Eric Preimesberger – 29 years old – Reno – 20 April 2010

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Hi,

Eric Preimesberger is my 29 year old cousin. He disappeared on April 20, 2010. He supposedly left on foot, even though he had transportation. He is a father to small children who are heartbroken without their father. His mother reported him missing May 6, after his wife moved twice after he went missing without contacting authorities. Their is an active missing persons report with the Reno PD and the case number is 10-13551. We have a facebook page, and a causes page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Find-E…26307567405780

http://www.causes.com/causes/497991?

We also have info posted at another blog, however I am new to this site and am not sure of the rules so I will not post that other site.

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Eric’s NamUs link:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7662/0/

I have updated Eric’s causes page (for facebook users) to include the whole family.
If you would like to take a look while I wait for LE, feel free.
There is a link to a video of the children there with the basic story, and at the end of the video are flyers of the family that can be printed.

http://www.causes.com/causes/497991?

Awesome, here is the link:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07…sterious-case/

If you read in the comments section on these articles by Valhall you will see that both Eric’s Mom and his wife’s Mom are posting. God speed to finding Eric and the children, hopefully alive and well.
__________________

Reno police trying to find missing husband

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http://www.rgj.com/article/20100723/NEWS/7230386/1321

July 23, 2010

Quote:
Reno police Thursday released a photograph of a 30-year-old man missing since April 24.

Eric Preimesberger was last seen by his wife as he took his clothes and personal items from their home in Reno. He is white, 5-foot-6 and weighs 165 pounds.

Police said he is married, has two young children and that family members and friends have not heard from him since his disappearance. Relatives believe the disappearance is suspicious, police said.

Contact detectives at 775-334-2188 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              775-334-2188      end_of_the_skype_highlighting or Secret Witness at 775-322-4900.

The photograph was not posted with this article.

Below is the link to the article that now has Eric’s picture.
To Jenny, I will look for your post on the astrology forum, my
computer is acting up so just in case, Eric was born 7-9-80, at
approx 7 am in Glendive, MT. His mom’s religion does not allow
them to indulge in astrology, I however have another view, so if
that will help so be it, and Jenny thanks.
http://www.rgj.com/article/20100722/…2043/1321/news

Another link to Eric’s story.

http://www.reno.gov/index.aspx?page=576&recordid=4995

[EDITED BY VALHALL TO AVOID COPYING THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF THE PAGE. ALL PERTINENT LINKS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE LINKS ARE INCLUDED.]

http://www.reno.gov/index.aspx?page=576&recordid=4995

another news site for Eric

For the life of me, I do NOT understand exactly WHAT it is,
that Karen THINKS she is protecting her daughter from.
Does Karen not understand the time will come when she
will have to pay a huge price for the deeds she is responsible
for now?

Hi, Val:

I am new to your site. I visit your site frequently and I am highly impressed with the quality of your articles and the comments by the many sharp people posting their opinions and comments.

In regard to the Casey Anthony Case, I hope the Prosecution team members are reading your very informative articles and the great comments! This site is an asset. No goofy comments from your “members”.

I have been reading your updates and the comments regarding Eric’s case. It is commendable of you to bring attention to this case. You and your posters have done an awesome job with ideas, suggestions, “flyers”, opinions, etc. for Eric’s family.

My thoughts and prayers are with Eric’s mother and family. This has to be devastating. I hope Eric is found soon. Something is very wrong! Hinky for sure! Kristi needs to meet face to face with LE and provide them with information that will allow them to proceed accordingly in solving this case. If I understand correctly, she was the last one to see Eric!

If Kristi may be having problems caring for the children, she needs to bring them to New Mexico to the grandparents. If she is on the “run”, I feel the children are not in a stable environment. I find it very disturbing that she won’t let her children talk to Kay, Eric’s mom. In about another month, school will be starting. She needs to think about school enrollment. Overall, she needs to think of her (and Eric’s) innocent children. They need to be in a safe, stable environment where they can be properly cared for.

Val, I noticed Ecossie Possie mentioned Blogtalk Radio (BNN) in a comment dated
7-23-10. I contacted Jan Barrett (site owner/editor) and she said she will be happy to talk to you regarding this case. She asked me to forward her e-mail address to you. I sent you an e-mail earlier today. I hope you had a chance to read it.

Val, thank you for this outstanding blog! I always look forward to all of your articles. Also, I enjoy reading the comments! You have a sharp, wonderful group of folks commenting on your site.

Kay, I hope you get to speak to or see your grandchildren soon. Above all, I hope Eric is safe and found soon. It is wonderful that this case is finally getting media attention. I tried posting in the comment section on one media site but it did not work for me. Like a poster commented up-thread . . . maybe if a lot of folks comment, they will continue to give this case attention.

Best regards,
Ann – Tx

Shantell,

Would you get ahold of Kay and get my number.

I need your help with causes and wb, and I have quesitons for you

I am lost, I totally don’t understand cuases.

I see on many sites that you are kicking but!!!! Good going!

Randie

Kay, Eric’s Mom. I will see if I can get them listed on Help Find The Missing.
Prayers for strength coming your way.

And another one….

http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Reno+Police+Department/stories/3

scroll down the page it comes up as
Reno Police looking for missing person
Posted on 7/22/2010 7:35:41 PM

Eric Preimesberger was reported missing to the Reno Police Department by family members. Eric was last scene by his wife on April 24, 2010 …

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Reno+Police+Department/stories/3#ixzz0ujuJLZHP

» Ann – Tx said: { Jul Welcome to our family, thank you for the chance for Valhall to speak for my family to BNN, you are another or our heros and are added, as all of the members here that have given us support, as a member of our family. I knew there were still people out there with hearts to help….but the amount of hope and love that comes our way each and every day is mind blowing. I thank Jehovah God each and every day for all of you. May his holy spirit watch over you all, as you have watched over this greiving family.

» Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 24, 2010 – 11:07:27 }

If Kristi is talking to law enforcment and really being forthcoming then I should know by this time tomorrow where my son is…

well here it is the 25th and I do not know where he is yet,,,,maybe by Monday they will be able to beg her to end this nightmare for our family.

New readers may be drawn here from The Oregonian article (flawed as it may be) and perhaps the Eugene OR location–residence of the newly (?) shaven Eric Morgan, now somewhat AWOL with his ex-stripper sis and her two occasionally shoeless children–may draw an interested reporter. Or at least a gobsmacked reader from the Eugene area that may know Tim Morgan.

Utterly unscientific musings:

Eric Morgan: red-head, won’t answer questions from law enforcement anymore, and only his parent(s?) have heard from him.
+
Kristi P. née Morgan: horrifically unnecessary fake tits clashing with current attempted turn at
motherhood, enjoys self exposure, concrete evidence of serial infidelity, family member goes missing and–despite being among the last to see the missing person–refuses to continue dialogue with law enforcement, communicates only with her parent(s).

=

Terri Horman v. 2.0

Wow what a weird post. Theo, at least get the names right.
This has nothing to do with Terri Horman.

I agree on the phone calls, record and report, those threats should be taken seriously, they people are obviously capable of some very very bad behaivor

Val,

I sent you an e-mail with pertinent info a few minutes ago. You are probably asleep. Please read my e-mail as soon as possible. Thanks, Val!

@ the befuddled CLMinor: The Oregonian article “Armchair detectives: True-crime websites are nonstop outlets for facts and opinions on Kyron Horman case” provides a direct link to this website and may draw OR readers interested in the true-crime Horman case who are unaware of the true-crime Preimesberger case. In light of the fact Kristi and her brother were last seen in the Pacific Northwest, that’s a good thing.

If you don’t see any similarities between Terri Horman and the Morgans, the physical and behaviorial similarities–as I see them–are laid out above. Happy reading!

» Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 25, 2010 – 08:07:56 }
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Kay, you are a very gracious and appreciative person. I have read all of your comments since Val started covering Eric’s case. I can understand why so many on this comment board have done whatever they can to help you and your family.

I know Val could certainly contact BNN on her own. I imagine she is very busy and her time is valuable. What little I did regarding contacting Jan Barrett (BNN) and her being happy to talk to Val and providing a contact e-mail address for Val , might save Val some time if she decides to pursue BNN.

Kay, thank you for welcoming me to your family. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. I do hope Eric is located real soon. God bless!

Kay,
I have put a post on my blog about Eric and family. Just click on my name to see it.
Please let me know if there is anything you would like me to change on my post.

I will wait until Tuesday to see if Help find the Missing gets in contact with you. Probably no one there on the weekend. They also have a pretty active forum that individual threads can be made up for missing people. I wasn’t quite sure how to handle it though because they have separate sub-forums for missing adults and missing children. I included a link to the forum so you can see how that works.

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/missing_database/

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/

Ann Tx
If it would be easier for me to talk to BNN instead of or with Val please feel free to have Val give you my email address and we could maybe work something else, Thank you for your kind words and all prayers are greatly appericiated.

Ann TX, Please put up the info on Eric for me the site is way beyond what I can do.
I will send some new pictures I would like you to use please. again please ask val for it and I will post the letter I started with and you can go from there?? will that work?

Hey Theo, Eric is Eric Dee Preimesberger the missing man, Timothy Wayne Morgan is the brother of Eric’s wife, Kristi Michelle Morgan Preimesberger. Just to get all the players right. Karen Fargen in daughter’s mom and Mark Fargen Is the man who made threats on my family. We are Bill and Kay Wilson, Coby is Eric’s brother and Teresa is his sister, Ivy and Damion are the “shoeless” children. hope that helps, Kind of hard to keep us all strait but there we are. Thanks for the info on the orgonian website. Your are very kind to even care what is going on with this case.

» Theo said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 12:07:50 }
If you don’t see any similarities between Terri Horman and the Morgans, the physical and behaviorial similarities–as I see them
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OK, so you have some of the names mixed up but, WHOA… THAT is a scary stretch…
Shivers up my spine.
Yes, there are some similarities… too many really. I doubt any connection.. but stranger things have been known to be true.

The following is what Karen posted on the news site about Eric, This after her ex husbund and her called and spewed their venom about blowing up my home, the same home that has a 28 month old baby girl with autism, her mommy who is a para-plegic, my other son with autism, epilepsy, cerebral palsy, and a vetran of Veitnam with a traumatic brain injury, and me that just had major surgery on my neck, That in my book is a coward and all because he was told by someone that there was to be a search of his home by law enforcement. Whom I have no control over by the way. What is he afraid they will find? He kept telling my husbund that he needed to keep me the f—ing b–ch on a leash several times. I have never called her or him any name with the acception of the word I used above COWARD, because only someone that has something to hide is afraid of a search of their home, If LE are planning to search their home it is news to me and as I said I would have no control over what LE does.
The reason I bring this up is that below you will read how concerned Karen is for Eric and hopes he is found soon……..I find that odd behavior from someone who wants to blow up my home and all of my loved ones………..you be the judge.

KAREN F.

July 25, 2010 9:56am PDT
just so everyone here knows I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ERIC MISSING, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN,AND I DO HOPE HE IS FOUND. kay you have known from the beginning that i have been cooperating with the detective, he has told you many times, yet you keep on trashing me and making me look like i have done something wrong, the only thing i have done is try to defend my family and that is it, and you have said many horrible things about kristi and none of it, is going to help find eric. if i were in reno, i would be doing everything i could to put out flyers there and talk to people to try to find him, i want him found also

KAREN F.

t\his is from Karen from the news site for Eric, this is after she and her ex husbund
Spewed his venom about going to blow up my home if we did not call off the cops from their home and if they came to search it. I wonder what it is they are afraid the cops will find? Not that we have trashed their family, but even if we did do that how does that give them the right to call and theaten a family with a 28 month old baby,with autism, a para-plegic, a person with a tramatic brain injury, and an adult with autsim, epilepsy, cerebral palsy, and a person that just had surgery on her neck to fuse several vertebre? Does this strike anyone else as obsurd that she then would try to convince anyone that she and her family are concerned for the welfare of my son?

July 25, 2010 9:56am PDT
just so everyone here knows I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ERIC MISSING, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN,AND I DO HOPE HE IS FOUND. kay you have known from the beginning that i have been cooperating with the detective, he has told you many times, yet you keep on trashing me and making me look like i have done something wrong, the only thing i have done is try to defend my family and that is it, and you have said many horrible things about kristi and none of it, is going to help find eric. if i were in reno, i would be doing everything i could to put out flyers there and talk to people to try to find him, i want him found also.

Oopps just realized I posted the same post twice……sorry, but I guess it does get my point accross.

Kay, I have to wonder WHY Karen feels the NEED to defend her family.
That statement alone, to me, is HINKY!
What sort of people threaten to BLOW UP a home?
In my opinion, these are people have a violent nature, and who have a
serious lack of intelligence, and are under the misguided impression
that making threats, somehow give them power and control over others.
They cannot be dismissed as harmless, therefore please document and
report all threats and suspicious activity to authorities.

That is in the works I will make sure there is at least a trail, the police came and took a statement and then gave us instructions of what to do next. Thanks for the concern, as you can see I am having trouble sleeping again. I am trying hard to heal up so I can then have my lower back fused next in October. I pray I will have some sort of answers to what has happened to my son, I have some hope left in me………but it is hard to ignore that feeling of NOT FEELING him,,,,,,,does that make since to other moms out there?

katfish,

Thank you very much for spreading the word on this case.

Kay and Ann,

I contacted Jan via email and asked her if she preferred to get the information on the case directly from Kay. I am waiting for a response at which time I will pass her Kay’s email address.

Kay,

I am a night owl and often am awake all night long.
Just wanted to let you know if you need to chat I am
usually available.
You can get my email from Val if you don’t already have it.

Kay,
You cannot take those threats lightly! You must insist that law enforcement check Karen’s phones….all of them. It’s obvious they do not want you to find Eric, or your grandchildren. Write or email the Atty. Gen….if possible, have an atty. do it for you! One way to get info. is Edie Cartwright—–ECartwright@ag.nv.gov phone# 775 684-1189

Catherine Cortez Masto is the Atty. Gen.

Kay,
You cannot take those threats lightly! You must insist that law enforcement check Karen’s phones….all of them. It’s obvious they do not want you to find Eric, or your grandchildren. Write or email the Atty. Gen….if possible, have an atty. do it for you! One way to get info. is Edie Cartwright—–ECartwright@ag.nv.gov phone# 775 684-1189

Catherine Cortez Masto is the Atty. Gen. Here is another phone# 775 688-1818 702 486-3420 FAX 775 688-1822

Kay….I thought u were in Las Vegas! You r in Reno?

Please, someone tell me which……

Same info. can be used…..

This is your notice: You must Cease and Desist. This is Harrassment and lies against my family. If you don’t you will be prosecuted. karen F.

Karen,

It would be helpful if you could clarify:

1. Who the hell you’re talking to.
2. What the hell you’re talking about.

I might add more after you answer those, but this is a good start.

If it’s me Val, I’m sorry. I can deal with this woman! Anyone who threatens to blow someone’s house up is a clear danger….

Karen if this were true the threats of harrassment I think you would have pursued it long before now. My question to you is why now after 2 months are you starting to feel thee pressure of your daughter’s bad choices. I am sorry that you feel your family is being trashed people just want answers, and unfortunaley your daughter holds those answers.

Daughters Mom
Words linger and your own words made it seem like your daughter and the kids PLUS the brother were missing . Than you contradict yourself in other statements so there you have it. You STATED yourself that Kristi was ( is ) on the run and you feared for the grandkids.

yeah not ‘seem like’ Mrs Karen Fullofit did state her daughter Kristi knows something she is on the run and her grandchildren were in danger.

The only difference is now we are finally getting media attention on this story I bet Kristi is faaaaaaareeeeeaking out (AHAHA) and now inturn so is her lying Momma. All we need is patience, the truth will come…

praying for your family Kay

KAY: New Mexico’s Atty. General’s TOLL FREE # is” 1800 678-1508

Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 02:07:01 }
Ann TX, Please put up the info on Eric for me the site is way beyond what I can do.
I will send some new pictures I would like you to use please. again please ask val for it and I will post the letter I started with and you can go from there?? will that work?

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Kay, did you intend this comment to be for Katfish who posted at 2:07? I don’t think you intended it for me.

This is an EMERGENCY situation imo. If the Mother is out of from drugs, only God in Heaven knows what might happen to them! I hope and pray that one of you will phone the toll free # I just listed above. I have appt, that I can’t miss, or I would.

A scared Toasty1 (Mary Beth)

Hi Ms. C. Hop,
I’ve read many of your comments, and appreciate so much of what u say. Do you mind phoning the toll free New Mexico # I posted above? I have an appt. that I cannot miss, but should be back around 4:00……however, my time is different from NM…so, I’m hoping one of you wonderful bloggers will make the call. These babies r in DANGER IMO. Oh, I pray that I am wrong. Tks. to anyone who will make the call.

Valhall said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 05:07:21 }
Kay and Ann,

I contacted Jan via email and asked her if she preferred to get the information on the case directly from Kay. I am waiting for a response at which time I will pass her Kay’s email address.

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Very good! Val, you are on top of it! Between the efforts of you and Kay, hopefully BNN will be able to assist.

Kay, regarding the threats to blow up your home, please be careful. Glad to hear you called LE. What kind of a person would call and threaten to blow up a person’s home? Beyond me! I sure hope LE did not take the threat lightly!

Kay, with the disappearance of your son, your recent surgery and all of the other things going on with your daughter-in-law and grandchildren, you do not need threats, etc.

What you need from Karen and her family is compassion, honesty, cooperation with LE and support in finding your son.

It’s all so simple, Karen F. feels like her and her family is being trashed and harrased when all she needs to do is produce the wife and grandkids. That would go along way in showing their cooperation and proving they have nothing to hide. The longer they stay off the grid, the more guilty they all appear.

oh…and if she feels harrased now….OMG can you imagine the “attention” she would get if this does make it to the Nancy Grace show…I hope they all come forward and put an end to this sooner rather than later.

Ruckster said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 01:07:44 }
oh…and if she feels harrased now….OMG can you imagine the “attention” she would get if this does make it to the Nancy Grace show…I hope they all come forward and put an end to this sooner rather than later.

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Hi, Ruckster! Nancy Grace would have a field day with it! I wish Nancy Grace would cover this case. I think it should also be on Prime News (CNN-HLN) – Mike Gallanos (sp?) would do a great job of covering this case.

I hope as this case gets more local media attention, it will be picked up on the national media level. Media attention creates public awareness which in turn puts pressure on LE.

I could’nt agree more Ann!

Kay I will get the information put on the Help Find The Missing Website. You have my e-mail now so feel free to send whatever pictures, letter, etc. that you want used. they do have some guidelines but nothing too prohibitive…..I need to contact someone there to find out how to list a missing family. As I mentioned before they have separate sub-forums for missing kids and adults.

Val, I’m glad to help however I can.

How long before Karen vanishes????

oops it was for katfish

Harrassment is when someone calls your home and tells your husbund to put his f-ing Bi-ch on a leash and says it several times and then says that he knows the husbund is a Marine and they can get down and dirty but you ain’t seen nothing like what I will do think of your house blowing up.
that IMO is harassment what do the rest of you think? it was heard by my whole family as it was on speaker phone. law enforcement was called and now I guess I will have to take it to the next legal level.

Thanks Toasty 1 they seem to be quite interested in what is going on. Seems one of you also called this morning, Thank you for your continued support.

» Kay, Eric’s Mom said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 03:07:27 }
Harrassment is when someone calls your home and tells your husbund to put his f-ing Bi-ch on a leash and says it several times and then says that he knows the husbund is a Marine and they can get down and dirty but you ain’t seen nothing like what I will do think of your house blowing up.
that IMO is harassment what do the rest of you think?
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Harassing, and threatening, and flat out evil.
I wouldn’t be as much frightened as I would be thoroughly pzd.
However, there is no way I would ignore any of this, because one
never knows what may happen when dealing with people of
this intellectual level.
Even Karen’s “You must Cease and Desist” comment shows just
the sort of person you are dealing with. She THINKS, she has
found a new way to tell all of us to “SHUT UP”.
What a maroon! Yea, I know I wrote maroon, feel this describes
her on all counts. Definitions of maroon:a person who is stranded,
an exploding firework, a dark purplish red. (no doubt her face is the
color because she seems to be in a rage most of the time.

CNN, HLN and Nancy Grace story ideas can submitted here;

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11b.html?1

Tried getting e-mail for Megan Kelly and Great but can’t locate them! I’m sure someone here will be able to though.

katfish has taken a great deal of time to pull together an exhaustive timeline from the numerous comments on multiple threads.

http://katfishponders.blogspot.com/2010/07/mysterious-disappearance-of-eric.html

This is a great article that lays out everything the family has been able to share.

MLR

I think you can get Megan Kelly at: Kelly@foxnews.com. Bill O’Reilly might also get on this. He is oreilly@foxnews.com.

Thank you katfish, the pics of you and your hubby and your fuzzy baby made me smile. Thank you I have to go for my walk for the day, so I am going to be gone about an hour I will be back to check out any questions that you all might have.

Val, thank you for posting the Link to Katfish’s article.

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Katfish,
What a great article! You did an awesome job. It is nice that you included the pictures.

You have a very interesting blog. I saved it to my “Favorites” and will visit your blog. When I have more time, I hope to read some of your other articles.

Val,

I just read the article Katfish wrote and noticed she added that “as of 7/26 kristi is talking with Detective Myers” where did this information come from?

BTW…it was a great article.

Thanks you for the links Jnetk

Sorry to ask, but I dont have time to go all the way back thru comments….

Did the pod ever get searched?

TIA

» MLR said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 09:07:04 }
Val,
I just read the article Katfish wrote and noticed she added that “as of 7/26 kristi is talking with Detective Myers” where did this information come from?
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Had an email from KATFISH saying Kay had heard from LE, indicating contact with Kristi had been established. NO details were available.

If everyone here would just send an email to: CNN.NANCY GRACE.COM…..and write
EMERGENCY and include any photos or info. you have, it just might help. I emailed twice, and also sent email to Mike Galanos :CNN.Mike Galanos.com Maybe if our emails start “stacking up” we will “get CNN’s attention”!

KATFISH: Super article!! Wow! I just forwarded it to Nancy Grace and Mike Galanos. Hope that’s okay. (bet it is! )

greta can ve reaxhed at ontherecord@foxnews.com

Eric’s Mom posted a summary of what happened on Total Ruckus last night and this is the first time I’ve seen her mention the he was going to fly someplace, I could be wrong but it seemed to be a detail I haven’t seen before.

“Finally on 04/24 she tells me when I call that day that he has said “F YOU all I’m catching a plane and no one is ever going to hear from me again”!!!!!”

» Brother That Rides said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 09:07:07 }
greta can ve reaxhed at ontherecord@foxnews.com
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Link isn’t working.

» PuddleJumper said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 09:07:00 }
Eric’s Mom posted a summary of what happened on Total Ruckus last night and this is the first time I’ve seen her mention the he was going to fly someplace, I could be wrong but it seemed to be a detail I haven’t seen before.
“Finally on 04/24 she tells me when I call that day that he has said “F YOU all I’m catching a plane and no one is ever going to hear from me again”!!!!!”
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» PuddleJumper… Are you saying, that Kay has said Eric said to her:
“F YOU all I’m catching a plane and no one is ever going to hear from me again”!!!!!”??????

I haven’t seen this either. Please, would you link us to the location where
this is posted, or bring a copy/paste of the comment here?

Marica,

Thanks for answering. I wonder when Kristi finally decided to talk to LE? I wonder if she is in Reno, with or without the kids, or doing it over the phone! i wonder if the police in Oregon have been contacted?

Marica, those are the exact words that Kay used on TotalRuckus, I would copy and paste the whole thing but it is very long. You need to join to have access but here is the link. http://totalruckus.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47527&start=120

Puddlejumper,

This statement was NOT made TO Kay though right?? I thought a statement similar was supposedly made to Kristi ” F..You all, noone is ever going to see or hear from me again” or something like that.

This is the exact paragraph that Kay posted on TR. I can copy and paste the whole thing but it is 2,759 words long or 5 pages in microsoft word.

“I called again the next day 04/23 and was told pretty much the same thing only this time I was told that Timothy had tried to calm Eric down he was in such a rage and reeked of booze. I asked what in God’s name was he so mad about and again was told it was because she had been lost in the snow storm and ruined their anniversary. Finally on 04/24 she tells me when I call that day that he has said “F YOU all I’m catching a plane and no one is ever going to hear from me again”!!!!! and left.”

yeah i meant can be reached

Well that little bit of info would have been nice a long time ago. If he was catching a plane, then there would have been prrof of him getting on a plane at some point. Hs the airport cameras been checked?

P.S. sorry for the typos…I’m on my phone.

Details like that make a huge difference. If he really did plan to fly some place that would explain why he didn’t take his Ruckus. As far as we know he could be sitting on a beach in Costa Rica right now.

No Eric did not say those words to me it was what I was told he said as he was walking out the door.

Eric did not catch a plane it has been checked out by the LE in Reno

I was told by Tazy early on that they did not find any proof he caught a plane anywhere.

Kay,
I am sorry were sticklers for detail but a plane comment is much different than heading out on foot with a back pack. Have airports been checked, I’m just curious because this is the first time I’ve heard anything about a plane so am wondering if maybe someone forgot to mention it to LE also.

Have Taxi companies in the Reno area been talked to?

Just saw your comment regarding Eric not catching a plane.

I was writting out a timeline so I could remember what was said and who said what and to the best of my ability I remembered that the first time I was told the “plane” then it just was he walked away.
yes I did tell LE at the very begining when I reported him missing and airports to my knowledge were checked out and no one found any ticket in his name, and there are pictures of Eric at each airport in the area, as far as I know they are still up and at the bus stations also.

Re: Comments by » PuddleJumper & » Kay, Eric’s Mom (Kay)

OK, Kristi is the one saying Eric was angry, that he supposedly was intoxicated, and Eric told Kristi he was leaving, Taking a plane) and no one would ever see or hear from him again.
WE missed the part about the plane earlier.
Whatever, Kristi also said Eric had returned to get things. Makes me wonder WHICH time Eric made the statement no one would see or hear from him again.
As near as I can tell, Kristi has given Eric reason to be gone and not having contact.
Some how I doubt Eric ever said this.
Kristi has put everything on Eric. IF, he had done what she says, then why would she refuse to assist Kay in her attempts to find him. This makes no sense. Eric is the father of the children has an obligation to support them. How does Kristi plan to support the children alone? If she plans to get pubic assistance, she is going to have to establish where Eric is. If she plans to divorce him, she will have to establish where he is.
We are to BELIEVE Kristi, accept that Eric has walked away/abandoned his family & that he plans to never to be seen or heard from again.

BULLSCHIDT Kristi… I don’t buy any of this and I am not alone.
Don’t care WHAT you CLAIM Eric said… take a [plane, sprout wings & fly/walk/crawl/ride a camel/or hide under a rock, You need to prove he left.. and the way you do that is track him down. But you don’t want to do that because there is no trail.

Eric was upbeat when his Mom talked to him, the next day he has vanished, but you claim back a couple times.. Ya know, your stories just don’t gel!

» PuddleJumper said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 10:07:31 }
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I registered on the Ruckster site, but have no idea how to find the post by Kay.
Could you please tell me where to find it.
Thnx
Marica

Toasty1- of course that is fine. Kay wrote out a letter to send as well….I’m doing that now.

She removed what was posted last night with the bit about the plane but here is the thread.
http://totalruckus.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47527&start=0

I would suggest that people send a brief summary of Eric’s case to these addresses as well. Quantity counts! Cousin’s and aunts who have commented above….very important!
This link that MLR posted will take you to a form to submit story ideas:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11b.html?1

Toasty1′s suggestion is good too hit them on several fronts:

If everyone here would just send an email to: CNN.NANCY GRACE.COM…..and write
EMERGENCY and include any photos or info. you have, it just might help. I emailed twice, and also sent email to Mike Galanos :CNN.Mike Galanos.com Maybe if our emails start “stacking up” we will “get CNN’s attention”!

Airports also have good video surveillance if he was at the local airports they could confirm it.

Thank you, Katfish! (If Val gave out Hinky Biscuits like Blink gives Blink Biscuits) bet you would get a BIG ONE!

Haha Toasty ,
I’d settle for a hinky wink*

well I give you lots of Biscuits from our family. We all miss our boy and just want to bring him home. One way or another we just want Closure. If he is not still on this earth we at least want to be able to lay him to rest here where his family is. where we have a place to go to greive. unless you have a child missing you cannot know what this is like. you can try to imagian but it does not compare to the reality of it.
No matter what he is still my son, my little boy, he always will be no matter how old he may get, or not get. The reality is I miss my son and just would have wanted to say goodbye and I love you one more time. I somehow lost the voicemail he left just weeks before he became missing, he was just calling to say I love you mom, talk to you later.
Now I will never hear his voice again. LE told me that the cadaver dogs hit on the pod, I know I’ve probeby said that before but that makes me really loose hope. I still beg all of you to still look at the people you pass and see on the road, even if it isn’t my Eric it may be someone elses loved one that you can help them make thier way home.

Kay, my heart goes out to you. Have you tried contacting your phone carrier to see if they can recover your lost message? I know that has been done in other cases, and perhaps if it was lost recently, and they know its importance not just to you, but perhaps to LE, they can recover it. It’s worth a try. Praying for you.

i had not heard.. cadaver dogs hit on the pod? im so sorry Kay…

if you think about Kristi insisting on having it paid on for so long and her return trips to it it makes sense …

Oh Karen,

I am also very sorry to hear about the pod. I agree that it does not sound good. thoughts and prayers are with all of you! Shantell, try not to let this ruin what you are doing right now, I know it’s hard and I’m so very sorry.

MLR

Kay,
I am asking questions in this post that may make you uncomfortable and sad, it is not my intention to hurt you at all. If you want to bypass it all together I understand!

Where was the pod when the dogs hit on it?
Did LE gain access to the pod?
Does LE know where Kristi is now?
Is it possible that Kristi and Tim used the pod to transport Eric’s body to an out of state location?
Does the pod company move the pods once they are loaded?

Kay, I too, am sorry about the information concerning the Pod.
That is a sign that doesn’t sound so good. Surely, the LEO will find Kristi and Tim and some information can be obtained that will lead to the Eric. I too, hope the kids are OK.
My prayers for you and family and for this matter to be solved.
The kids need to be somewhere safe and it doesn’t sound like the bio mom is taking the correct steps for their safety and care.

Take care of yourself and your current family and remember there are a lot of people
pulling for you. Hope you neck is doing better. It takes a while for that type of surgery to heal, but it is such a relief when it is completely healed. I had the fusion of the 5th, 6th and 7th quite a few years ago. If there is anything we can do for you, please feel free to let us know.

OMG….I sooo meant Kay in the above post…please please forgive the error.

Thank you MLR I have your email do I not? [EDITED BY VALHALL FOR PRIVACY]?

CLMINOR, Thank you for your kind words an encouragement about my neck, I am so hoping it will be so much better. It already feels better than it has in years. When this heals up though then I have to have my back fused at L4-L5 so the hits just keep on coming!! I thank all of you for your help in gettng through this.

I tried to ask the company to help me retrieve this message from Eric, but it has been too long and they cannot get it back for me.

Part of our meeting at the Kingdom Hall tonight was on Jesus and Lazarus and how Jesus went to his friend and resurrected him. That is what I am hanging my hopes on at this point in time. I will see my son in Paradise. He will be restored to me in perfect health. So even though my heart breaks, just as Jesus’s heart did when he heard of his friends death, I have that hope. Even Jesus knowing he could reserect his friend cried from the pain of his loss. So even though my heart is breaking now, it won’t be so very long and I will have my sweet boy back in my arms forever. That is not to say that I do not hurt and cry each day because I do not know where he is, or what he may have had to endure before he closed his eyes in death. I wonder if he thought of his babies and that they would miss him, or if he thought of how we would miss him, and if he wondered why his momma wasn’t there to help him

Kay, I am just now learning of the dogs hitting on the pod from your comment above.
I had hoped that LE would take dogs to the pod, and feared the dogs would alert on the
pod, but since you had said LE had looked into the pod, and there was nothing there of
concern I had convinced myself I just had an over active imagination.
I am so sorry, and sick with grief for you.Want to reach out and give you a comforting hug, but no doubt it would be more of a comfort for me than you.
I guess, we should keep in mind, the doesn’t necessarily mean it was Eric… but with all of the insanity going on with Kristi, her brother and Mother, it is hard to believe anything else. Sounds like LE has started to take this far more seriously than what it seemed even a week ago.
GOD be with you and your family.

Kay, I take it you have undergone a cervical fusion. Have been through this twice in the 80′s. I understand the procedure has improved greatly since mine was done. Three months of being in bed with a stiff collar on for the first 6 weeks and then a soft after that. Used bone from my hip for the fusion. Do they still take bone from your hip or other location these days?

Kay,

Yes ma’am you do feel free to write me!

Marcia had to comment on the fusion. They used a cadaver bones with my fusion.
Was glad too. But I think they use man made materials now along with cadaver bone.

Kay I hope that everything is in high gear and things will speed up and you will get the information you so desperately need for closure. Hope it is for the good for everyone.
All the stress you are under makes a big difference in how a person feels.
And you certainly don’t need someone threatening your family.

Kay,
You might want to check out this site. There may be people there who can relate to your anxiety and pain, perhaps even lessen some of the burdens you and your family are now having to bear. It is also another site to list Eric as missing and get his face out there. I am hoping for the best every day and want your family whole once again, however that may be.
Sending your strength and support.

http://www.projectjason.org/

You arll are so kind and yes they used a cadaver bone and metal and screws. It looks really cool on xray..lol.
sorry if anyone felt I was being preachie earlier about what went on at the Kingdom Hall, I just wanted you all to know I will make it through this no matter what. asI said they did not find signs of a struggle but the dogs hit so there was deffinetly a body in the pod and it had to be recently. Past that I will leave it to LE to make heads or tails of what that all means.
I mostly just want to say Kristi come home let us take care of the babies and you can deal with all of this with us. We will be doing some things in the news in the near future Please come or call and let’s figure out what the family wants to say to the public.
We all need to talk to them and to LE figure out what happened and why. The only way to insure that justice is done is for you to come in and talk. If not here the girls say they have worked it out for babysiters and work for you with Kara. You are almost done with your schooling, Eric was bragging about that when I last talked to him. Please kiss the babies and tell them we love and miss them, be the mom I know you to be do what is best for the kids and you too. You know Mark and your mom will make room for you and the kids or maybe we can get you a place of your own. WE can’t help if you don’t tell us what you need or what the kids need. I have clothes and shoes for both of the kids, the ones your mom and I bought together. If I give them to her can she get them to you? If you are closer to the girls go there first then we can get you home from there or help you get set up there. Ivy will need to be in school again soon. I know how you want her to be in the class she should be in and not held back. Please do what you need to do for the kids to be safe and you too. that’s all for now. I love the kids and want to hear their voices please, call and you don’t have to say a word to me just let me say hi to the kids. PLEASE.

sorry had to borrow a compurter over at my friends, as long as I am at this house figured it would not hurt to use thers. When Bill gets back I can go back home He had to take Coby to a doctors appt. out of town so here [EDITED BY VALHALL FOR PRIVACY] and I are. i for got to sign in as me. but i guess you can figure that out for yourself.
Coby says to tell you he misses you and wishes you would call him, his cell is still the same. They should be back tomorrow morning.

marica: “Had an email from KATFISH saying Kay had heard from LE, indicating contact with Kristi had been established. NO details were available.”

…LE “established contact” with kristi 07/26
…the cadaver dogs hit on the moving pod

…kristi was the one using the pod——her husband eric was supposed to be using it too——he’s suspiciously missing–the dogs alert IN the pod—LE has finally “established contact” with her.

…i would think she would be in custody, cadaver dogs hit for one reason, surely this “contact” they have with her is in person.

…did she call them? did they track her down? did her ever ( not helpful ) mom put a call through TO her for benefit of LE? which i highly doubt would be good enough for LE.

…i’m confident today will be a “news day” in this case, since it will be 2 days since LE has been in contact with kristi ( whatever that means) , i just pray at this point that those little kids are doing ok.

when the pod was searched there was nothing in there, except there things and pictures were taken and that was it.

Hi Daugthers Mom,

See you are back. I think you may feel you are between a rock and a hard place in protecting your kids and their knowledge of Eric missing. I hope you used your influence to get Kristi to contact police. Not sure how i would react to all of this if it was my kids.

Did you get a chance to talk to the grandbabies and hear their voices. Do you know for sure they are with Kristi?

» daughter’s mom said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 09:07:06 }

yeah nothing but things and pictures…. and the scent of human decomposition you left that out.

Thats not the smell of decomposition…its a plant. (see Caylee case)

My question now to LE, is what or who are they looking for now that dogs have “hit” on this pod? Is the pod being throughly investigated or did they get samples of what they needed? Has an arrest warrant been issued, for anyone? Has Kristi come in and said what happened, does she need to? or can this be done by phone? Did they get DNA samples in that pod (caylee case), like hair etc…? Was there any decomposition showing in the hair if found? My logical thinking is if any of Eric’s dna is in that pod, thats a bad thing. From my understanding, and believe me, being close to this case doesnt make me any less confused, Eric was not around when the pod was rented.

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=OR_RG&ref_pge=lst

Eric on the front page…I cant get to the 2nd half of the story.

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25069495-41/preimesberger-eugene-police-rogers-unit.csp

this one works better

Eric here is the site for the whole story that was printed

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25069495-41/preimesberger-eugene-police-rogers-unit.csp

Search for man leads to Eugene |

OOpps Didn’t see that you had posted the site until my post went up.

We can never have too many links to Eric’s story.

awesome that is the best most infomative article so far!

About time some “truth” comes out… can’t dispute LE and court docs now can we…. Kay and family know that you are in my prayers for answers… truthful answers.

[quote]In a search warrant affidavit filed in Lane County Circuit Court earlier this month, Eugene police officer William Rogers said a Reno police detective told him that Preimesberger’s disappearance is suspicious, and that Preimesberger’s wife, Kristi, is a person of interest in the case.[/quote]
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25069495-41/preimesberger-eugene-police-rogers-unit.csp

» Eric’s Cousin…Shantell Quinn
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Thnx for the link. I am relieved to finally see decent media coverage of this situation.
Now, at least people in the Eugene area are aware, and hopefully will be more alert and
looking for remains.

Am I reading the article correctly, that both Kristi and Tim went to Washington state?
someone had stated earlier that Kristi had first driven a rental car to Washington. Has
LE checked the car rental agency to locate that vehicle to examine it?
Thinking it is possible if both headed for Washington in a rental, it may have been used
to move remains to some location between Eugene and their destination.

» Mrs C Hop said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 02:07:22 }
awesome that is the best most infomative article so far!

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I agree with you. So glad to see such an informative article!

Oops! Where are my manners? Thank you Shantell and CLMinor for the Links to the article!

Kay, sorry to get back so late but I did manage to “make noise” in denver, specifically colorado blvd where I reside…and 16th street (every walk of life goes down that st.) and market st (party st). I was able to post fliers in “downtown aurora” as my mother calls it. But it is really the main municipal//shopping center. Unfortunately my sister was not able to post anything in thornton as her printer took a big crap. I also have NOT got to talk to my mothers fiance, Sgt of detectives of APD. He has a very busy sched.

I have not made one bit of progress with my family in Albuquerque also, and I apologize for that.. but I will keep trying.

I do hope this topic gets bumped up to the main page again. This story is the epitome of hinky!

Off to read the comments I missed.
God bless you to all of Eric’s family and especially Eric who needs to be home safe.

Thanks for the links!!!

Great article, finally! I caught that too Marica about Tim and Kristi going to Washington, I think it’s just a mistake as the step-sister has said nothing regarding Tim being there.

When Kristi took her stuff out of the pod on June 15th, did she use a u-haul?
Was she coming and going getting enough to fill up her car and then unloading and reloading?
Maybe she rented another storage unit somewhere in Eugene.
Was anything left in the residence in Reno?

I know my questions probably drive some of you crazy but everytime i read something regarding this case it seems like there are always more questions.

On July 10, investigators had three cadaver-sniffing dogs from Marion and Lane County sheriff’s departments search the storage unit facility for evidence of human remains.

All three dogs detected the presence of human decomposition in the area surrounding Kristi Preimesberger’s portable unit, the affidavit states.

“I was told by the (dogs’) handlers that in their experience, it was likely there are decomposing human remains in close proximity, or inside, the (storage) unit rented by Kristi,” Rogers wrote.

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25069495-41/preimesberger-eugene-police-rogers-unit.csp
*****

THREE different dogs hit on the pod.

Wasn’t the pod rented AFTER Eric disappeared?…..or am I remembering wrong?

Ann – Tx
if you don’t mind my asking, have you been known to be a master of links

Has anyone heard from DM since info released in the news about Kristi being
“a person of interest”?

Seemeathebeach Its my understanding the POD was rented by Erik an his Wife to help them move ther belongings as they were moveing house an relocateing to another state,

SeeMe

No, but you can bet she is reading everything regarding the case. What a shame that she has (allegedly) covered and protected her daughter and son in what could be a murder. I don’t know these people’s character,but wow, how they can sleep at night.

Thanks Ecossie!

I think D M may have been banned after constantly insulting Eriks Mon makeing false alegations plus generaly spouting B S .Not sure though I know she was placed in a time out situation a few times.

Jnetk,

IMO Karen knows much more about her daughter’s whereabouts and activities, and has known for weeks/months. I believe she not only paid for the pod rental, but has given Kristi and Tim money for traveling, food, diapers, etc. I hope she realizes her lies are catching up to her now.
I pray LE finds Eric’s children safe and sound!

Seeme

DAUGHTERS MOM has posted earlier today

» daughter’s mom said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 09:07:06 }
when the pod was searched there was nothing in there, except there things and pictures were taken and that was it.

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And Eric’s cousin shantell has posted that the POD was rented AFTER eric dissappeared

» seemeatthebeach said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 03:07:10 }

EXACTLY! KAREN i hope you cant sleep at night knowing you were Paying for your grandchildren’s fathers temporary tomb SICK SICK SICK.

Do you want to become a cindy anthony? The truth will set you free.

@ Marica

Tim was NEVER in Vancouver at the stepsister’s, I believe this was a misunderstanding by the reporter. To my knowledge, he was in Eugene until he went “missing” just before Kristi did.

Also, any time Kristi went to get items from the pod she did so in her own car- only times she returned w/ items they were in trunk and back seat, not much stuff removed before she left Vancouver, unless she had it stashed in Eugene somewhere and didn’t bring it up to Vancouver.

Mrs C Hop said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 03:07:58 }

I was thinking the same thing “another Cindy Anthony”. ughhhh

If she looks like Cindy, I swear I will sh!t one of Val’s pink twinkies.

Haven’t read all the posts yet.

Wanted to make a few comment:

1. Yes, there were 3 cadaver dogs that hit on the pod…before the door was opened.

2. We do not have privy to what the cadavaer dogs hit on inside, that is informaiton only available to Law Enforcement.

3. The pod was rented under her name. That does not mean it wasn’t rented togeather. What it means is that she was the who made the arrangements for the pod. So, in turn it was under her name. It was aquired under a unknown Credit Card.

4. Officers HAVE the date of the rental and the Credit Card number.

5. Keep in mind that Eric and Kristie has just got there tax return money. Eric had informed his mother that they were moving on this money, as well as 800.00 he received from selling his dirt bike.

6. It is not difficult to take that kind of money and put it on a prepaid credit card. Keep this in mind (PRE PAID CREDIT CARD)

7. The credit card on the account with the pod company, this card also was used to pay the June 30, 2010 monthly payment.

8. In the warrent it calls Kristie “a person of intetents”

9. Individuals can not say with such factness “that nothing was hit on INSIDE the pod”, because at this point that information is only privy to law enforcement.

My comment about reading that both Tim and Kristi ( ” left for Vancouver Washington”
I was wondering ….. IF…… this was an accounting given by Karen. Although I know the step sister never mentioned Tim being there, …DOES NOT… mean he didn’t leave with her. As I recall she made two trips up there. I believe the SSister said she arrived the first time in a RENTAL car. IF… there were no qualms about transporting a body in that pod from Reno to Oregon, then what is to say the body wasn’t removed from the pod, placed in that rental, and then disposed of between Eugene & Vancouver?

I would like to know if LE has checked into the rental car. True, that car could be anywhere now, but the rental company can trace it. If there was a body moved in that rental it would important to know.

Dang.. the Hinky Winky finally got me! Thought I was immune to that little rascal!

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-cadaver-dog.htm

A cadaver dog or human remains dog is a special type of police dog which has been trained to search for cadavers and human remains. With the use of a cadaver dog, rescue crews can identify dead bodies in wreckage for future removal, and cadaver dogs can also be used by crime units to find areas where a cadaver might have been buried, stored, or dismembered. These canines may have macabre jobs, but they are very useful additions to the police forces in the areas where they are used, and they have some of the best noses in the business.

As human remains decay, they produce a variety of very distinct odors. While most of us would probably prefer to avoid ever experiencing such odors, for cadaver dogs, the odors are like a signature, because they appear nowhere else in nature. A cadaver dog can actually detect human remains through concrete, buried underground, or at the bottom of a body of water, using its extremely well-honed noses to search for faint traces of the chemicals emitted by the human body during decomposition.

May also be of note that we currently cannot CONFIRM that the car was a rental- we are going on Kristi’s explanation that it was (and we know that she has her own versions of the truth at times).

I want to make a correction:

Calls Kristie “a person of interest”

Been away a while and sure was hoping to see a positive turn in this case. My family’s hearts go out to you all…

The car she showed up in Washington was not her own.

Kristie said that the car was rentaL. Becuase she was having her own car detailed.

And she needed help with the car seat that Time had installed for her. He installed it incorrectely. Tim was not in Washington. That statement is correct.

After she retrieved her car, and Washington relatives had bought grociers, they wanted to put them in the trunk, and she said no put them in the back seat.

She did not want them in the trunk, she did not want it opened…..said it was too full.

Her reason could be true or not true.

The last time she was in the pod was June 15, 2010. She left Washington on June 16, 2010.

There is a 3-4 hour difference between Vancover Wash and Eugene Or.

WHY did she have the care detailed????????????????????

Randie and Marica,

After reading Marica’s post I agree that just because no one saw Tim doesn’t mean he wasn’t there. So, do we know if LE has traced the card to any other purchases ie a rental car? I don’t know how they would do that with a pre-paid but surely there is a way.

When exactly was the last time that Tim was heard from? Can anyone establish if Tim is even still alive at this point? If I have read things correctly here, the last time he reportedly made contact with anyone was just around July 1 when he was complaining to Daughter’s Mom over the telephone about being fed up with all of Kristi’s drama. It seemed that he didn’t want anything further to do with his sister when he made that call. No one seems to have heard from Tim ever since then. If Tim knew something he shouldn’t be knowing about Eric’s disappearance and who caused it, Kristi may have considered him to be a serious threat to notify the authorities. Tim could have landed himself into some serious danger by simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Three cadaver dogs hit on that storage container indicating that there was some BODY, or possibly even some BODIES in there…but who? Kristi seems like a bit of a wild card, and her profession and drug habits may have gotten her connected with some really shady people over time. I’m just speculating here, but she may even have an accomplice who is NOT her brother Tim, and this whole situation may have quickly gotten out of control for her.

I realize that it’s Eric who we’re all looking for on here. However, at this point, I just have to question whether even Tim or those grandkids are still safe and sound. And alive.

The article states:

“All three dogs detected the presence of human decomposition in the area surrounding Kristi Preimesberger’s portable unit, the affidavit states.”

Marymakk,

I think it is awesome that you come on here and share details with everyone!

Kay is greatful for your support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MLR,

You are right.

Over the phone we have discussed many times that Tim could have been just “hanging around” while Kristie was with her Wash relatives. Everytime she left she could have been going to see him, converse, get him something to eat etc………

Or he may have never went with her.

Or he did and she dropped him off along the way……

Hi everyone! I’ve been thinking that it really doesn’t matter if Eric was around when the Pod was rented. There wasn’t a missing person’s report filed for 3 weeks, by then Kristi, Tim, the kids and the Pod were all moved……what I’m getting at is “IF” they are responsible for something happening to Eric, he may have been the last thing packed, just in case Kay was successful in getting a report made earlier and a search was done, that would have been an obvious place to look. ( I am not saying this is what happened just an “IF”

I know the Reno police searched the house, but I wonder if they used cadaver dogs to search the house? Reno LE is being tight lipped about their investigation, and rightly so. An arrest can’t be made until there is probable cause, if dogs hit in the house and the pod that would seem to be probable cause. Most arrests aren’t made until the state has the evidence needed to take the case to trial (Terri Horman is an example) and prove their case in court. Once an arrest is made a timer (of sorts) starts because of our constitutional right to a speedy trial. The accused is the only one who can wave that right.

I really hope this isn’t the case for both families involved sake, but things don’t look very good at this point. :`(

ok, only “prove” was supposed to be in bold italics…..just learning this html stuff. LOL

Reagan, I’m familiar with Denver, isn’t 15th and market Larimer Square? It’s been over 20 years since I lived there. Went to Jr high and high school in Northglenn.

I have to wonder if LE even knows where Kristi is?? IF she is communicating with them she could be using different pay phones etc.

The credit card……does anyone know if it is in someones name or is it definately a pre-paid?

The pod….. Is it empty?

I really don’t care if the kids are with their mother, at this point I don’t think they are safe at all.

Question about the rental Kristi took to Washington. Do we know for sure that it was a rental car? Was that a proven statement? Could it be Tim’s old car or his new car he supposedly purchased. Maybe Tim had to purchase a new car because the old one now smelled?

We dont know if it is a regular credit card or a “prepaid card”….but, in the anayzing

The ware house where the pod is located, the ware house owners/managers probably gave law enforcement permission to go in. After the “drug” dog hit on pods, then the warrant can be used to “go” inside Kristie pod and go in with a cadaver dog.

There isn’t a warrant to search with a cadaver dog inside the house.

As for her phone

The pod is not empty. Kristie and Erics belongings are still in there. It is still her rented pod.

It is only Kristie’s word of mouth that the car was a rental.

Keep in mind the article also stated that Karen told LE that Kristie WAS in possession of a gun.

“Their mother — who told Rogers that her daughter was in possession of a gun — said she tried several times to reach Morgan after that conversation with no luck, the affidavit states.”

Sorry some of my post vanished.

I was saying……as for the caredit card, in the analyzing it could be valid that after Eric and Kristie received their income tax check that they wanted to retrieve a pod for moving. But…..that facility needs a credit card. So……….one goes down and makes arrangements for a prepaid credit card. This is in all probability what happened.

As for her phone, sounds like she still has her original phone.

Kristie, on a message to Kay, told Kay she could TRY to call her and leave a message.

The tone Kristie left the message……the best way to describe the message is SARCASSSSSSSTICCCCCCCC!

dee said: { Jul 28, 2010 – 03:07:28 }
Ann – Tx
if you don’t mind my asking, have you been known to be a master of links
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Dee,
Wow! What a pleasant surprise! Me …master of links? LOL You are the master and I am the apprentice!

I don’t want Val to slap my hands for getting off topic. Later tonight I will leave you a message on ‘Just for Chat’. So please check there later. Very good to see you, Dee!

Lots of great comments since I last checked this thread. There is movement in this case and that is a good thing!

Kay, my prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. I know I said it before but I just want you to know I care. I do not intend to be redundant.

So my assumption is that the card must be out of money if Kristi is needing someone else to pay for the pod rental. Which actually really bothers me because how on earth are those babies eating?

Marymakk,

What is the description of the rental car! I really believe this could be TIm’s new car and Kristi was lying (we know it’s not beneath her)!

I imagine that LE is investigating all the items that have been bought on that credit card and I’m thinking they will learn a lot from it. If Eric was killed and transported as Kay believes then there might have been a need for a large plastic container…especially if Eric might have been in the trunk of a car at a later date, as Randy has suggested might have happened. It seems to me it would be some purchase like that that would have become necessary for transferring a body more easily. This would still allow for cadaver dogs to hit on a scent in spite of the plastic of the box interfering somewhat. All of Kristi’s “drama” according to Tim might really mean that they were disagreeing on where to dispose of the body…and also that Tim bought into more than he had imagined when he decided to help Eric and Kristi with family move up to Eugene. He was there in Reno with Kristi and Eric apparently, but that doesn’t make him directly involved in whatever happened to Eric. He might have felt sucked into helping Kristi after something she might have done…blood is thicker than water…but then Tim might have just wanted out of the situation when disagreements on how to handle all the details ended in arguments with Kristi wanting everything done her way. I know that, if I were Tim, I sure would want out of it…when all I had in mind was helping my family and getting some help starting up a business with a new partner…but it isn’t going to just go away by avoiding everyone. What happened happened and it’s really time for those responsible to end it and give some peace to Kay and her family. If Eric is murdered than he deserves better than this. Even in death, he still needs to come home.

And that house in Reno needs a search warrant…and to be searched with everything forensics has to throw at it. Even where the pod sat in the yard could yield clues if the cadaver dogs are brought there…but Eric’s body had to be kept somewhere until they were ready to put him into the pod. There has to be evidence in that house if whatever happened to Eric happened there.

There will be coverage on the TV tonight in Eugene I will have a link to it after it runs I will share it here as well as other places.

Jack Moran miss spoke when he said both siblings went to WA, only Kristi and the Kids went to WA

there will be a formal retraction of that statement in the Register Guard tomorrow

Kay Eric’s Mom:

I feel so deeply for you and I wish there was something I could say that would make a difference…God knows what he does, and he does make room for all of us. I still have hope and faith that all your answers will come. I pray for the one’s who get left behind and I agree with your belief, you will get to hold Eric again and that is so wonderful to know.

I hope you see how much your heart, health and spirit mean to all of us, you have such sweet people here pulling for you, that’s huge, especially as you know first hand how cruel people can truly be. I hope Coby is doing okay.

Kay.

When did you first feel something was not right?
At what point did you start to have suspicions about Kristi?

Without going back and checking previous comments, I am recalling that Eric and Kristi had a lot of their belongings packed & stacked in the garage, and ready to go in the pod.
Your last conversation with Eric was April 20th.
I don’t recall the established date that Tim arrived, or the date the pod was picked up in
Reno. I am understanding here that Eric was gone before the pod was delivered to the
house. Do you know what day it was delivered?
I hate to ask this, but did they have a deep freeze?
I don’t have concern about Tim. He has just made himself unavailable.

Katfish, 16th street in downtown denver is the huge outdoor strip mall. The st and stores go on forever. I am a denver native and am not sure if that was ever considered to be larimer square. I sure could be wrong though… but that’s where the fliers are posted.

Market st. IS definitely part of “larimer square”… I only got as far as market st.
You may have not been in Denver for quite some time, but it sounds like you still know the place.

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25069495-41/preimesberger-eugene-police-rogers-unit.csp

this is Jacks article on Eric, I think it is already here, but here it is again

Just to clarify…DM is NOT banned. She is in moderation. But not a single comment she has submitted has been rejected. Everything has been approved. She will remain in moderation. And I will continue to approve them unless she goes all ballistic on someone…then I’ll most likely edit the ballistics and still post the comments.

Kay i watched the news story on Eric my heart is heavy im so sad and crying i know how you must be feeling it breaks my heart that you are suffering like this I am greiving along with you i watched eric grow up and was second mom to him for along time….. cadaver dogs noses dont lie so the truth is out so the person responisble needs to grow up, face facts, tell the police what needs to be told take your punishment like a grown up you cant run and hide forever because there is no statue of limitation on murder. Kay and family needs closure, and a chance to say goodbye.and until eric is found hes not at rest so please do the right thing.

Donna K.
Was there anything new or different in the televised report? TIA kat

@MLR

I also have doubts as to wether it was really a rental, however,
It was a champagne gold SUV, I am guessing a Ford (maybe explorer) at least mid 90′s or newer, by my knowledge of the body size and style. Did not seem to be a rental to me, that’s just what Kristi said.

Cars I have rented usually had a paper sticker on the window stating the company the vehicle belongs too. And unless you specify a SUV, you are given a car. SUV’s are not the standard rental vehicle. Most of them are compact cars. A Ford Explorer would be a large SUV. Unless, a dealership let her drive a demo if her car was in the shop.
Of course, I live in Tx. and don’t know if Or. would have different types of rentals.

Donna wherer did you see the Televised report?? please tell me quick so I can get ahold of the station and get a copy!!!! PLEASE!!!

http://www.kmtr.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=72907@kmtr.web.entriq.net&navCatId=5
Televised coverage of Eric Preimesberger

Hi Kay,

I think about you everyday. It’s positive that things seem to be happening finally. My prayers go out to you and your family. Hang in there, I think you will have some answers very soon. You have many people here that consider you a friend and part of the family. We will be here to celebrate good news with you and we will be here to support you. Prayers for Eric.

The pod has been cleaned out since mid June,
BUT, DEAD FLOWERS, were left in the pod?

That tidbit sent chills up my spine.

Kay I am so sorry for all you have been subjected to
by people who care obviously don’t care about anything
but saving their own hides. Apparently, what ever took
place wasn’t an accident.

I wish they would have shown Kristi’s picture!!

Yeah that flowers comment threw me too, makes me wonder if those were the “anniversary flowers”.
@ MLR …She just might be the next lead story…

Shantell,

Oh wow on the flowers sure hope not!

Let’s hope they do a story on her and the kids very soon, it’s time she was questioned by the police face to face!

Are you back?

I don’t know when I have ever felt rage toward a person I’ve never met.
I worry for Eric’s sweet little children. This woman cannot be good in
any way for those little ones.

I assume she moved furniture into the pod like beds and sofas. Where did all their furniture get moved to? How did it get moved without a truck?

I have read how much money they had about the time of Eric’s dissapearance. Why would she spend any on getting the car detailed? I was once a poor single mom and the last thing I would have done was paid someone else to clean my truck.

Question:

If Kristi cleaned out the pod in mid June, except for the flowers, why did she need her mom to send her money to pay for it for July?

Also I thought that the scooter was found in the pod.

@ karen Lee, I asked about the contents of the pod earlier and was told Kristi still had stuff in it. I sure didn’t think flowers was what was being referred to! I never got an answer on my u-haul question but left it alone because I thought she still had the heavier/larger stuff in the pod!

So now I wonder, Where is the Ruckus??????

@Marica- I feel like that alot with these cases, especially when it involves children!

I guess we were posting at the same time Shantell, sorry.

Sorry Kay i went to lay down and missed what you typed but that link you have is the one i saw sorry hun if you want to get ahold of me get my email address or use facebook i usually am on there most all day

Well if you saw the news cast you know that My Boy Is Gone! I have no doughts, when we get the whole search warrant we will learn more I am sure. The dried flowers are pobebly the ones Eric gave her over the years. he would dry them and then put them in vaces for her. The pain I feel right now is so intence I can hardly breath, my heart hurts. God knows what was done and by whom, I believe he will share that information with the proper authorities and justice will be served, and if it be HIs will I will have my boy back to lay him to rest. Please all of you keep up with the flyers as someone somewher saw something and maybe just doesn’t know it, Watch for my grand babies and let us know where they are. I pray they are safe and warm and do not know what happened to daddy.

Our whole family is shocked & appauled. Our prayers go out to Kay & all the family of Eric at this time. The pain is raw…too much for words right now. Thank you all for your continued help & support through the next few days. I know all you good people will be with us thru this difficult time. You have been wonderfull.Thank you sooo much!

Oh, Kay, I just saw the newscast. My heart sank when they said the only thing left in the Pod was dried flowers and the cadaver dogs hit on them. So far a body has not been found.

Kay, you said you have no doubts your boy is gone. I am so very sorry. I hope Eric is found real soon so that you may bring him home and lay him to rest.

With this development, Kay, I would think Law Enforcement will intensify their search for Kristi and your grandchildren. In the newscast, they said she is a person of interest.

Kay, I will say a special prayer for you and your family. I am very upset about this development and I do hope your grandchildren are safe. May God bless you, Kay, and keep you in His loving care. I know He will give you the strength to see you through this tragedy and be there for Eric’s children.

I hope and pray that LE finds out what happened to Eric and where he can be found.

I am thinking of you, Kay! God bless!

Val,why am I im moderation? when I logged in saw that I had used my old E_mail address with hotmail before…the yahoo address is the current address. Sorry if caused an issue. ……The warrent information was very shocking to us all. Thank you for all your support so far in helping us all get thru this difficult time. Thank you all for your putting out of flyers.Please do not stop. Those babies need to be found…now faster than ever! You all have been wonderfull!

» Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 02:07:16 }
Well if you saw the news cast you know that My Boy Is Gone! I have no doughts, when we get the whole search warrant we will learn more I am sure.
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I can’t express how sorry I am for you and your family. Very relieved however to see that your son’s story has finally made the top story on the news… but I sure am sorry it has taken this long. Good work by everyone who worked so hard to get some attention.

I wonder what kind of country we have become that it takes months for something as serious as a missing dad to get action. We have lost our sense of community as a whole, and everyone is quick to judge intent based on all sorts of things and it’s just sickening… We all pay enourmous amounts of money for the Police to protect us and it seems no one is accountable anymore… I can’t imagine how helpless Kay and her family have felt and probably do feel with their Son and the Daddy of these children missing and no where to turn for help.

Valhall…. what you have done here and your bloggers has been nothing short of Honorable and Awesome. If nothing else, I can only hope that reading and watching total strangers offer support, sympathy, and help when possible gives this family at least a little feeling that the entire world isn’t selfish, ugly, and downright uncaring.

God Bless you Kay. Should it be that Eric is gone, you will see him in his children, upon thier return. And if that is the case, surely the rest of the family will have a soul, and grant you the ability to do just that.

Karen, should it turn out that things went wrong with Kristi when this situation is said and done, perhaps maybe it didn’t who knows at this point….. I plead with you to look hard within yourself and know this: If you had nothing to do with this and I for one am fairly certain you didn’t… then although you as anyone might may blame themselves in some ways, I’ve seen this manifest itself in another case I follow in Orlando that has gone completely bizzare and ugly…. but in most cases, with some counseling and a grief process of your own, you will find internal (and external) forgiveness and it starts by protecting these children, and allowing them to help heal Kay and Erics family.

Please, in the end, Allow that to happen and embrace it. It will heal both them AND you in the long run.

One last thought for Kristi’s mom if she’s reading and I didn’t read back very far so forgive me if I speak out of turn or ignorance to any facts here…

IF things went bad for whatever reason in this situation with Kristi and Eric, it appears that at the very least it flipped Kristi out, and she has been running with these children to potentially, in her mind, to hide and get away from it. That of course is NOT unusual. But now, this situation is NOT hidden any longer, so their is absolutely NO need to continue to run and hide if indeed that is what is still going on… NONE. She has Children with her. I can’t imagine children being in this situation. PLEASE Kristi or your family, do whatever it takes to get them home. Hire a lawyer, get her drop them somewhere for you, ANYTHING to get them OUT of this equation NOW! Protect them and their Mental stability…. there is no telling what they are going through or have been through….. and what they may have to face now…

KNOW THIS: They are asking RIGHT NOW for your help…. HELP THEM! YOU (both families) are all they have, and they may in fact be all you have as well….

Please….. and God Speed.

Gahoundawg…you make some very good points. I hope all take them to heart and acr upon them. Thankyou

I just cannot shake the feeling that the flowers left behind in the pod,
was a message about Eric’s death. Possibly in an angry rage she hit him
with something and killed him. Guilt is eating away at her, and since she
could could not acknowledge his death in any other way she left the flowers
where his body had been.

Val,

FYI: I think your post should have gone on the Kyron page?

WY,

Anytime you change something on your username or email it will throw you into moderation until I approve you. You should be able to post fine now (unless you change something else).

I have been trying so hard to give Kristi the benefit of the doubt…..not wanting to believe she would harm her husband and children’s father. I so wanted to believe for everyone’s sake that things wouldn’t turn out like this. Have you heard from LE since these latest developments?

I hope the police don’t take 3 months to get an APB out for Ivy and Damion.

Just a note to Karen and Kristi, If Kristi has any intention of claiming accident to mitigate the charges below 1st or 2nd degree murder she needs to turn herself in to authorities and lead them to Eric so he can be laid to rest where he belongs. To continue running or hiding is an indicator of consciousness of guilt and will only make things worse for Kristi. Karen I’m sure you have felt the need to protect your daughter, but now you need to think about Ivy and Damion. They are innocent children. Even if you don’t think Kristi would harm them, let me ask you, did you think she would be capable of killing her husband of 7 years ?

Thanks Val ,figured it was cus of the change in address. This is all so upsetting! We do want the kids to be safe. I think we all are still in shock. Thanks guys for your insite at this difficult time. When the brain is numb nice to know others out there are thinking this thru…helps to sort it all out. Keep up the good work!

My heart goes out to Eric’s family and I pray the children are OK and that Kristi will do what is right for them.

Kristi: If you cannot go home, please, please, please drop the children off somewhere (hospital, church, etc.) and let them go to the grandparents until you can get yourself straightened out. If you can find no other motivation, know that hiding will be much easier without them. They will be better off with the grandparents and you will be able to hide easier without them in tow.

I am catching up, but I know there is confusion about the credit card. Eric and Kristi most likely received a substantial federal tax refund (possibly upwards of 10k). If they had a service (HR Block, Jackson Hewitt, Amscot, etc.) prepare their return, it likely was refunded onto a prepaid credit card (HRB uses a Mastercard…not sure about the other companies). Some of them also come with a small line of credit and deposits (such as payroll, welfare payments, etc.) can be made directly to the card since it is owned by Mastercard. The cards can be owned jointly or individually, but either party can use the card. That might be what they did as the money comes back very quickly, sometimes within minutes.

Frankie,

GOOD POINT on the credit card. I had forgot about that.

Very good point!

Kay and family – My heart is broken for you all. I am so very sorry about your boy. There is just nothing worse than this news. We all had hope for a different outcome. May your God comfort you and somehow bring you peace in the days to come.

Val – If you ever, for one moment, doubt what you do here is monumentally important remember Eric Dee Preimesberger. None of this would have occurred (at least not at this time or in this way…and maybe never at all) if not for YOU. There are many crimes that go unreported/unresolved and this one looked to be heading in that direction – but for you and the many Hinky folks here there was hope for resolution. Sunnydeeds – you are and will remain a personal hero to me.

While I do not know the family I still want to sincerely thank all here that spent time investigating, cybersluething, printing and distributing fliers. What an awesome group.

Kay and Family I’m so sorry for you. I prayed he would come walking back with a really lame excuse but alive .
Just my opinion but we are all putting this on Kristi, but if I remember corectly it seems in the begining TIM was also there trying to calm Eric down. Not saying he did anything but it does make me think maybe we shouldn’t put all the blame onher until we hear what really happened .
Please Kristi if you read here take those baby’s to your mom or where they will be taken care of.

Thoughts and prayers to Kay and her family, I hope this comes to an end soon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38469114?utm_source=web&utm_medium=twitter

Eric’s story on MSNBC website!!!!

incredible his sroty is on MSNBC web page!! Thank you whoever did this for us!!
now I have a question, who was it and where is it that shows Larry Clacie and Kriti’s records?

Finally!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38469114?utm_source=web&utm_medium=twitter

Kay, I hope your health is improving! You and your family are in my prayers!

Hope it’s ok to post a snippet of the article…..

Eugene (KMTR) – The search for a Nevada man who has been missing for three months has led investigators to Oregon , and a storage unit in Eugene . It was a suspicious disappearance that has police in Reno reaching out to Oregon authorities for help. Eric Preimesberger, 30, has been missing since April 24th. His family says Preimesberger, his wife Kristi and their two small children were planning a move to Eugene when he vanished. His wife still made the move a short time later, telling investigators she had a fight with her husband and he took off. Records show Kristi Preimesberger was living with her brother at this home on Chandler Street in Eugene . Neighbors say everyone moved out last month. Once Kristi crossed state lines, court documents show, Reno police reached out to Eugene police for help. Investigators found Kristi’s mother was paying for Kristi’s storage pod in Eugene . A search warrant shows investigators brought in cadaver dogs that detected the scent of human remains near Kristi Preimesberger’s pod and also on dead flowers she had left behind. Eric Preimesberger’s mother, Kay Wilson, says she is worried about his disappearance. “It’s very odd he hasn’t called,” she said. “I would have expected him to call long before this. He’s been angry before…”

……cadaver dogs hit on the pod AND dead flowers Kristi left behind…..no words can express the sadness I feel for Kay and her family.

Eriks Mom I dont think you need look further than the mirror to see the person who got this story out.Your love for your Son an Grandkids brought this story to our atention with help from Val giveing you a medium to speak through.This is the first step towards reuniteing you with your loved ones.

When I say I think Eric is gone, again that is just how I feel, I could be so way off base with that ….I don’t know. LE has to do their best in finding out Who, What, When, Where, and if we are lucky Why. I do not want to speculate as to who did what.
I am a mother in greif and on a lot of pain meds and maybe I don’t quite get what it is that LE is driving at, or even where they are “driving” to. They are the experts on what all of the evidence shows and how to put it together, I leave this in their capeable hands.

Kay, Eric’s mom
I have a question, who was it and where is it that shows Larry Clacie and Kriti’s records?

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Val did here…
Valhall said: { Jun 24, 2010 – 06:06:15 }

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/06/22/eric-dee-preimesberger-have-you-seen-him-2/

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family for an end to your nightmare. A huge Val/Hinky fan and lurker… Hugs to Eric’s family and friends.

Kay, I have not stopped following your story…I am so sad right now,……… so happy that all the hard work of Val, your family and all the bloggers has finally paid off,but so sad for what the results of the search with the dogs turned up. Please know, we won’t stop looking for your grandkids and seek JUSTICE for Eric, we no-life -bloggers are a determined bunch and you will get your answers. God Bless you sweet Kay and all of your family who is hurting.I can’t say enough, at how strong and determined you are in bringing your babies home.and I will keep praying♥

Kay,

Do you know of any other news stories coming out regarding this case? I’m sure quite a few of us have contacted the media hoping to get them to do the story but we never know if they have decided to until it comes out. The e-mail you sent me did not have a link.

Also, what do you mean about Larry and Kristi’s records?

Kay,
Has LE told you if they have any leads on where Kristi might be? You don’t have to post a location (if you know). Don’t want anyone giving Kristi any more warnings for her to move again.
Just curious if they are making any progress tracking her.

some one posted Kristi’s arrest an conviction record and I need it for the Detective. anyone know when it showed up. I know Larry’s came around June 24th was hers before or after that, that it was posted to this site?

kay its on the other thread
i will see if i can find it for you

» Barbs said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 02:07:35 }
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Just my opinion but we are all putting this on Kristi, but if I remember corectly it seems in the begining TIM was also there trying to calm Eric down. Not saying he did anything but it does make me think maybe we shouldn’t put all the blame onher until we hear what really happened
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» Barbs, Please keep in mind the hinky finger points toward Kristi because of her choices and behaviors. I would have liked to believe Eric walked away mad, but Kristi gave was too many stories about when he left, what he said & etc. Then she refused to report him missing when Kay pleaded with her to do so. What has fallen on Kristi is her won doing and not The Hinky Folks heaping it on her.

thanks Donna that would help lots

kay i need you to get ahold of me i need some information

» seemeatthebeach said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 06:07:34 }
Kay,
“Has LE told you if they have any leads on where Kristi might be?
Just curious if they are making any progress tracking her”.

» Marica said: { Jul 27, 2010 – 08:07:54 }
» MLR said: { Jul 26, 2010 – 09:07:04 }
Val,
I just read the article Katfish wrote and noticed she added that “as of 7/26 kristi is talking with Detective Myers” where did this information come from?
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Had an email from KATFISH saying Kay had heard from LE, indicating contact with Kristi had been established. NO details were available.

……….what type of “contact” did LE have with kristi on monday?
…surely they are also investigating the well-being of the kids ?

Kay, here you go, sorry it took so long

» Valhall said: { Jun 24, 2010 – 06:06:15 }
It’s time to take the gloves off. Eric’s Mom has been hesitant to speak her concerns because she fears that her daughter-in-law will never let her see her grandchildren again. But I have been doing research, that is what I committed to do to help this family. And Eric’s mom needs to know something – SO DOES DAUGHTER’S MOM. I will NOT be mentioning the wife’s name or the brother-in-law’s name, but this is what I have found so far:

Wife has criminal background. Was previously married or living with (can’t confirm which) to one Larry J. Claice. She turned state’s witness against him and in the plea deal allegedly (I cannot confirm this!) got her record expunged for her testimony.

Eric’s Mom needs to know that her grandchildren are living with a woman with a shady past and a brother-in-law who, according to sources I have spoken with, is making his money as a “big time drug dealer”. THAT’S NOT THE ENVIRONMENT YOU WOULD WANT YOUR GRANDCHILDREN IN. DAUGHTER’S MOM NEEDS TO KNOW THIS AS WELL. Although I do believe she already knows about their criminal past. She may not know of the current alleged criminal activity that HER GRANDCHILDREN may be living around.

Let’s talk about Larry Joseph Claice, Jr. (two different DOBs used but they are both him 3/16/1970 and 3/16/1974 – correct one seems to be 1974). Boy is he a winner! Habitual criminal.

From Arizona Criminal records:

Two cases: J-0804-FR-9700080 and J-0804-CR-9700890
Apparent forgery in one, theft in the other.

From Colorado Criminal records:

3/17/1992 – RECEIVE STOLEN PROP – FELONY
7/27/1922 – FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION – BURGLARY
7/31/1992 – RECEIVE STOLEN PROP
10/30/1992 – CONSERVATION – ANIMALS CRUELTY — 2 COUNTS – GUILTY 30 DAYS
4/26/1994 – FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION – 2ND DEG FORGERY
PROB VIOLATION-SEE MIS — 2 COUNTS
OBSTRUCT POLICE
OBSTRUCT-SEE MIS PUBLIC OFFICIAL
FORGERY 2ND DEG – FELONY
PROB VIOLATION-SEE MIS
8/19/1994 – FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
5/19/1995 – LARCENY
FRAUD – INSUFF FUNDS CHECK
6/24/1995 – FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION — 3 COUNTS
7/14/1995 – LARCENY – FELONY
FRAUD – INSUFF FUNDS CHECK – FELONY
FRAUD – IMPERSON – FELONY
7/25/1995 – FRAUD – IMPERSON – FELONY
12/13/1995 – FRAUD – INSUFF FUNDS CHECK
4/15/1997 – FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS
FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS
PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS
GUILTY
5/22/1997 – PROB VIOLATION-SEE MIS
FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS
FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS
GUILTY
1/23/1998 – FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS 3RD DEG ASSLT – DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS TRAFFIC
7/1/1998 – CRIMES AGAINST PERSON-SEE MIS HARASSMENT
3/1/1999 – FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION FOJ/DOUGLAS(PROP DAMAGE)
FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION FOJ/DENVER(PROB VIOL
FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION FOJ/DENVER(ESCAPE)
3/2/1999 – FAILURE TO APPEAR-SEE MIS FORGERY 1ST DEG – FELONY
3/16/1999 – FORGERY
FLIGHT-ESCAPE ATTEMPT
7/24/1999 – RECEIVE STOLEN PROP – FELONY – GUILTY – 4 YRS
FORGERY 1ST DEG – FELONY – GUILTY – 4 YRS
FUGITIVE OTHER JURISDICTION SO DOUGLAS CO — 2 COUNTS – FELONY – GUILTY/GUILTY – 3 YRS/3YRS CONCURRENT
7/30/1999 – FORGERY COUNTERFEIT/FORGERY – FELONY
FORGERY COUNTERFIET/FORGERY – FELONY
8/23/2000 – PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS CRIM SOLICITATION TO COMMIT – FELONY
WEAPON OFFENSE EX-OFF POSS WEAPON FIRST OFFENSE – FELONY
ASSAULT ASSAULT IN THE 3RD DEGREE
POSSESSION OF WEAPON POSSESSION OF A DEFACED FIREARM – GUILTY 180 DAYS
9/19/2000 – PAROLE VIOLATION-SEE MIS PAROLE VIOLATION
12/6/2001 – DANGEROUS DRUGS USE SCHED 2 – FELONY
4/14/2008 – DAMAGE PROPERTY CRIMINAL MISCHIEF-$500-$15,000 – FELONY
DAMAGE PROPERTY CRIMINAL MISCHIEF – UNDER $500 – GUILTY PROBATION UNSUPERVISED
9/29/2008 – ID THEFT-ALTER/MAKE FINANCIAL DEV – FELONY – GUILTY 27 DAYS
THEFT $1000-$20,000 – FELONY
FORGERY-CHECK/COMMERCIAL INSTRUME – FELONY
PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS HABITUAL CRIMINAL
PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS HABITUAL CRIMINAL
PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS HABITUAL CRIMINAL
PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS HABITUAL CRIMINAL
PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-SEE MIS HABITUAL CRIMINAL
1/16/2009 – FORGERY 1ST DEG — 2 COUNTS – FELONY
FRAUD – ILLEG USE CREDIT CARDS POSS SALE OF BLANK DEVICE – FELONY
PAROLE VIOLATION-SEE MIS – FELONY
ID THEFT-ALTER/MAKE FINANCIAL DEV – FELONY – GUILTY 188 DAYS
FORGERY-GOVERNMENT ISSUED DOCUMEN – FELONY
FORGERY-CHECK/COMMERCIAL INSTRUME – FELONY
7/7/2009 – FRAUD – IMPERSON – FELONY
7/28/2009 – IDENTITY THEFT
10/19/2009 – ASSAULT 2ND DEG – FELONY
ASSAULT ASSAULT 2-IN CUSTODY/ADULT CONV/GUARD – FELONY (ATTACKING A GUARD WHILE INCARCERATED) – GUILTY
ASSAULT ASSAULT 2-IN CUSTODY/ADULT CONV/GUARD – FELONY (ATTACKING A GUARD WHILE INCARCERATED) – GUILTY
ASSAULT ASSAULT 2-IN CUSTODY/ADULT CONV/GUARD – FELONY (ATTACKING A GUARD WHILE INCARCERATED) – GUILTY

Sentences so far:
Date Sentence Juris. Case #
09/19/2000 4Y-4Y BOULDER 00CR1707
09/19/2000 4Y-4Y BOULDER 00CR1707
06/07/2001 6Y-6Y JEFFERSON 00CR2421
08/02/1999 3Y-3Y DOUGLAS 92CR227
08/02/1999 3Y-3Y DOUGLAS 95CR219
03/05/1999 4Y-4Y DENVER 97CR1823
03/05/1999 1Y-1Y DENVER 98CR4536
07/23/2009 7Y-7Y DENVER 09CR291
12/31/2009 10Y-10Y ARAPAHOE 09CR500
06/03/2010 8Y-8Y FREMONT 09CR419

Now, here’s my question. Why did Eric’s wife make his family believe that Larry Claice was a “natural born killer”? He’s a loser and a habitual criminal, but he has no murder rap in his past.

WHY did she make Eric and his family believe that Larry Claice had gotten out of prison around March of this year and that she was afraid if her identity and whereabouts were known he would come and take retaliation on her???? He hasn’t been out of jail since 2009 – and won’t be for several years now that he beat the piss out of a couple of guards.

Is this wife’s attempt to try to get people NOT to pressure her on a story that doesn’t play? Is this wife’s attempt (the alleged “he’s out of prison and a natural born killer” story) some attempt to try to CREATE A SUSPECT in Eric’s murder for his family? Is she trying to create a suspect that is so scary that the family would be in fear to pursue him out of concern for her and the children’s safety.

Marica
» Barbs, Please keep in mind the hinky finger points toward Kristi because of her choices and behaviors. I would have liked to believe Eric walked away mad, but Kristi gave was too many stories about when he left, what he said & etc. Then she refused to report him missing when Kay pleaded with her to do so. What has fallen on Kristi is her won doing and not The Hinky Folks heaping it on her

I realize that Marcia but I was thinking of the statement that Tim was trying to calm Eric down. That would put him there when Eric was. So either way he would know what happened.

I just sent requests to Jane Velez Mitchell and Nancy Grace suggesting they pick up this story.

Advised them that MSNBC has done a story, perhaps they should too.

Highlighted two shoeless children were in danger and were travelling with a drug abuser who’s brother may have also mysteriously disappeared. I also highlighted some of the major bizarre things that have happened with this case to try and draw their attention and ask for help. And of course, gave a link to hinky (and Val) if they wanted to read more about case.

Kay and family, i am sending energy that you get a quick resolution to this nightmare you, friends and family are in.

Contacting the Oregonian newspaper and the Willamette Week newspaper could be helpful. Both have been in the online news, as they do a lot of news about Kyron H., missing boy out of Portland, OR

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/
http://wweek.com/

Hoping that the children are found safe and sound. Prayers for all.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Search-for-missing-Nevada-man-leads-to-Eugene/dXJWN6msP0uXHq378nADug.cspx

later, telling investigators she had a fight with her husband and he took off.
Records show Kristi Preimesberger was living with her brother at this home on Chandler Street in Eugene. Neighbors say everyone moved out last month.
Once Kristi crossed state lines, court documents show, Reno police reached out to Eugene police for help.

Unsure if this has been posted or not.

Wow! MSNBC covered Eric’s story! What great news!

It is amazing the amount of progress that has been made in this case since Val first posted about Eric. Val, you and so many of the posters, have done an incredible job of helping Kay and her family. Until Val posted an article about Eric, I had not even heard of this case.

Special thanks to you, Val, and all of the posters who have done a remarkable job with suggestions to Kay, the flyers, media requests (to cover Eric’s story), Facebook postings, etc. and your support and genuine interest in this case.

All of you are a wonderful group of people and that is one of the reasons I love this site. The Hinky Meter is truly comprised of some of the most awesome people on the Internet!

If I was ever in a position like Kay and I needed assistance, I would contact Val and The Hinky Meter.

Some folks on other sites are commenting about the remarkable job that Val and her posters are doing here! That is a good thing because others are coming here to read the Eric thread(s). More exposure for this case!

I hope Eric is found soon and his children are found safe and put in a stable environment with Kay and her family!

Kay or a family member:

This may have already been suggested but have you thought about contacting Children’s Protective Services (CPS) . . . . that is what it is called in Texas. I don’t know what it is called in Oregon or Washington (state).

What are your thoughts on filing a formal complaint with CPS (or whatever it is called) in Oregon, Washington and perhaps Nevada regarding Eric’s children? I think it would warrant an investigation regarding the location of the children. It appears, to me, that the children are not in a safe environment.

Kay and I are currently talking on the phone and she asked me to post what we have talked about this evening. We are hoping that a different scenario could be that he simply had head trauma and maybe does not know who he is. Maybe by getting beat up in the argument or maybe someone trying to take his money that was in his wallet.

Kay is having a really hard time not loosing all hope so lets all try and help her keep some positive hope until we know for sure different.

Again thank you for all everyone has done. I am glad that my wonderful friend and her family have such great support.

Gahoundawg said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 04:07:00 }
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Hi, Gahoundawg!

What an excellent comment. You made many valid points, especially your comments to Kristi and her family! I could not have said it better.

All of the posters here have made great comments!

» Vanessa Boushee said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 11:07:48 }
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Vanessa,
Thanks for the info. That is a possibility!

Hope, prayers and thoughts are with you Kay and your family!

» Vanessa Boushee said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 11:07:48 }

Kay and I are currently talking on the phone and she asked me to post what we have talked about this evening. We are hoping that a different scenario could be that he simply had head trauma and maybe does not know who he is. Maybe by getting beat up in the argument or maybe someone trying to take his money that was in his wallet.

Kay is having a really hard time not loosing all hope so lets all try and help her keep some positive hope until we know for sure different.
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Kay, I wrote a very long comment the other night and then did not post it. I worried about posting it because I WAS talking about other possible things that might have happened to Eric…I did not want to appear to be trying to cause false hope because at that point, you were very down and said your boy was gone…so I didn’t post my comment. But, now that I know how you feel tonight, I will go ahead and tell you what I did not post:
There was a case here in Florida where cadaver dogs hit on a scent but no body was found. LE stated that cadaver dogs can hit on old blood as it decomposes. Blood can come from many sources, of course. But I kept my comment to myself and decided that I have not given up hope that Eric might still be ok. I believe the most recent article stated that the flowers in the pod were dead… not necessarily dried (as in purposely preserving them) and I couldn’t imagine Kristi bringing along flowers that Eric may have given her for their anniversary if something terrible had happened that night. Rather, I imagined she might bring them out of some sentiment because she might really not know what happened to him. If he did storm out of the house…many things could have happened. I know that when I, myself, have stormed out on a guy…it was because I had hoped I would be stopped (he would come after me and say he was sorry or whatever.) Maybe Eric just wanted to cool off for awhile and had no intention of staying away but then, for some reason, could not come back as he planned. That is why I think we should all keep hope…we can’t know what happened for sure and we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. I spend a lot of time thinking about Eric and worrying about him. I’m not going to give up hope and I understand how impossible it would be for you to do that.
When you said he will always be your little boy…you really just broke my heart. I keep asking Eric, in my mind, to get in touch with you. There may be a good reason that he can’t right now…but I am not going to give up hope that he will. I’m so sorry if any comments I have made have hurt you or made you sad…but I should have posted this days ago when I didn’t. In all truth, I have not given up hope and am going to continue to pray every day for you and your family. And always a special prayer for Eric, too.

» Barbs said: { Jul 29, 2010 – 09:07:29 }

Re being in Reno and siad to have tried to CALM Eric…
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I have thought about this too, but the thing is that Karen has told the story two ways on this issue. First that he (Tim) had arrived to help load the pod, as Eric had injuries that prevented him from being able to do much of the loading, and that ERic was pleased to have the help. She had (through Kristi urged Tim to get Eric to call Kay). Later, Karen said that Tim didn’t arrive there until AFTER Eric left. (IIRC)
Any way, the one thing we know is that Kristi was the last person to see him.
If I were guessing another person was involved, it would FIRST be the person she was SNOWBOUND with for 11 hours, and then Tim as an after the fact.
From what I can tell from the stories, Tim was NOT there on the night of April 20th.
I guess, I am putting the load on Kristi for two reasons. (1) She is the last known person to have seen him by her own word. and (2) She has been very evasive with Kay and refused to speak with LE.
I hope I didn’t come off sounding harsh to you. Sure wasn’t and isn’t my intent. I don’t communicate well most of the time.

I am going to be away for a few days as I received a call last night that my aunt has died. 78 and congestive hear failure. Knew this was coming, but doesn’t make it much easier. Sorry to have to leave you all. Still praying there will be some good outcome here. Like Kay, I suspect I won’t like the outcome, but still holding out hope for Eric.

Marica,

I’m sorry to hear of your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Marica:

We are sorry for your loss your family is in our prayers. Have a very safe trip.

Don’t know what good it will do all the way across the country here in NJ, but I’m going to E-mail some of the storys about this to one of our tenents that is a newspaper here in NJ. I’ll ask my contact person if they can publish the story, about this, even it is in thousands of miles away. I don’t know if they will, but I”ll try.

Juls

Juls,

Yes, everything thing helps.

The more that run it over the usa the more larger media will take it seriously!!

Your help is greatly appreciated!

although while I was talking to Vanessa I was trying to hang onto ot the hope that he has a head injury…….I reread what Randi had posted about cadaver dogs. They do not hit on just blood, it has to be decomp. not just old blood. so my friends he is gone….and now we have to focus on finding the grandbabies and hoping some one saw somthng and wil come forward to LE.

Marcia so sorry for you an your Familys loss .

5I have two cadaver dogs. A cadaver dog is trained to find only human remains. Cadaver dogs will bypass any dead animals they come across because the scent is different from the scent of a human decomposing.
The dogs will alert (hit) on the smallest bit of human remains. I have seen dogs alert on 100+ year old graves (before embalming was used). I have also seen them alert on soil where a body was once laid. They will alert to a bloody bandage as long as it is human blood. All it takes is a drop of blood.

My dogs are also search and rescue dogs and drug detection. You can train a dog to find live and deceased subjects. The search command is different depending on what you may be looking for that day.

Cadaver dogs aren’t limited to police forces. There are numerous “civilian” organizations that train cadaver dogs and assist police departments.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-cadaver-dog.htm

- anon65686
My dear friend Randie I am so glad you sent tme this site, but sometime after you posted what you said this came up on the site you gave me.
Now I am not saying that there was or was not visible blood as I have not been able to reach either LEO that wasa included in this searvh Warrant. So with tha said, until I know for sure that they hit on decomp. and not just blood, I am going to say it is still important to watch for Eric, and epecially the babies. I will await an answer for either of the LEO’s and hope it wah blood that was hit on, not I want to clarify, if it was a small amount of blood it will be one thng but if it is a lot of blood then, well I guess we all know what that means. I am back at wanting to feel some hope.

How can DM possibly think her grandchildren are safe with Kristi???

I hope LE is checking all communication records of Karen’s for possible clues as to Kristi’s location. Ivy and Damion need to be found……like yesterday!!!

The quote “5I have two cadaver dogs. A cadaver dog is trained to find only human remains. Cadaver dogs will bypass any dead animals they come across because the scent is different from the scent of a human decomposing.”

does not mean Me as in Kay, Eric’s mom. I have no cadaver dogs and until I read the new post from this person on that site mentioned above, I did not know they hit on blood also.
I am still waiting to hear from Det.s on this matter

Kay, I hope you don’t totally give up hope. LE should/will let you know when the case is there. I continue my prayers for you all!
kat

First Marica, I am soooo sorry that you have suffereda loss in your family, no matter the age we still feel as though we did not ger enough time with them.
Second Mimi. Thank you for the words of encouragement. I will be tring all day to reasch on LEO or the other to find out what exactly happened, know I may not beable to share that with all of you dependig on what I am told.

Kay, I’m so, so sorry!!!! You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

Eric is very proud of you for doing everything possible to find him.

I hope you get to see your grandchildren soon and give them a great big hug.

Marica,

Sorry about the loss of your Aunt you will be missed I always look forward to your posts! Thoughts and prayers are with you!

although I do appreciate the recap of Larry Clacie’s record I was looking for Kristi’s I found some of what I needed If I understand the court records correctly she was allowed pt trun states evidnece on Clacie and to reduce her sentence by testifying against him, but she was arrested on the charge of being an accopmplice to armed robbery, but it and another charge were dropped, but she still speant 18 months in prison and is still considered a felon. all of that is if I understood what I was reading. If someone else wants to check the facts look under Kristi Michelle Morgan 6/26/1980 in CO. or NM can’t remember which.

Kay if your referring to the nm case lookup then you understood it correct she is still a felon because of the charges she served time for and that is the only court record i could find on her also. and i believe those charges are unlawful taking of a motor vehicle and contributing to the deliquency of a minor both are class 4 felonely.

All the information on her that is public record in New Mexico can be easily looked up at the state website….

http://www.nmcourts.com

The following is what I found on the website for a KRISTI MORGAN with a birth year of 1980.

**D 1 1 1 66-3-505 RECEIVING OR TRANSFERRING A STOLEN MOTOR VEHICLE F4 04/28/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001

**D 1 1 1 30-16-2 ROBBERY F3 07/02/2001 DISMISSED – NO PROSECUTION 10/01/2001
D 1 2 1 30-16-2 F2 C CONSPIRACY ARMED ROBBERY WITH A DEADLY WEAPON 07/02/2001 DISMISSED – NO PROSECUTION 10/01/2001
D 1 3 1 66-3-504 UNLAWFUL TAKING OF A MOTOR VEHICLE F4 07/02/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001
D 1 4 1 30-6-3 CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELIQUENCY OF A MINOR F4 07/02/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001

**D 1 1 1 30-36-4 WORTHLESS CHECK ACT 02/27/2001 NOT GUILTY DISMISS BEFORE TRIAL W/O PREJ 10/15/2002

She has herself quite a rap sheet, assuming that all the above is the right Kristi Morgan. Unfortunately they only give the birth year on the site. In my opinion she is either one very unstable and dangerous person or she is one of the most unlucky people and has too many “right place, wrong time” moments.
I have been following this case for weeks and diligently follow and read the blog. I am just baffled at the entire situation and I feel deeply for the family and all their unanswered questions. You all have made some valid points and pose some very important and intriguing questions that I hope at least the family will be able to have answered.
My heart deeply aches. So senseless and I just don’t understand Kristi’s actions, as most don’t. My prayers are daily filled with the family and their needs.

http://www2.nmcourts.gov/caselookup/app

Kay enter her name at this site looks like there is this case

RECEIVING OR TRANSFERRING A STOLEN MOTOR VEHICLE F4 04/28/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001

and this…

DEFENDANT 1 MORGAN KRISTI
ATTORNEY: RAYMOND E ARCHAMBEAU
P PLAINTIFF 1 STATE OF NEW MEXICO
ATTORNEY: LISA KUYKENDALL

CRIMINAL CHARGE DETAIL
PARTY COUNT SEQ # STATUTE CHARGE CLASS CHARGE DATE CIT # PLEA DISPOSITION DISP DATE
D 1 1 1 30-16-2 ROBBERY F3 07/02/2001 DISMISSED – NO PROSECUTION 10/01/2001
D 1 2 1 30-16-2 F2 C CONSPIRACY ARMED ROBBERY WITH A DEADLY WEAPON 07/02/2001 DISMISSED – NO PROSECUTION 10/01/2001
D 1 3 1 66-3-504 UNLAWFUL TAKING OF A MOTOR VEHICLE F4 07/02/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001
D 1 4 1 30-6-3 CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELIQUENCY OF A MINOR F4 07/02/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001

this record is a lil interesting (and long sorry)

DEFENDANT 1 MORGAN KRISTI

CRIMINAL CHARGE DETAIL
PARTY COUNT SEQ # STATUTE CHARGE CLASS CHARGE DATE CIT # PLEA DISPOSITION DISP DATE
D 1 1 1 30-36-4 WORTHLESS CHECK ACT 02/27/2001 NOT GUILTY DISMISS BEFORE TRIAL W/O PREJ 10/15/2002

REGISTER OF ACTIONS ACTIVITY
EVENT DATE EVENT DESCRIPTION EVENT RESULT PARTY TYPE PARTY # AMOUNT
10/22/2002 CLS: NTC OF DISMISSAL W/O D 1
DISMISSED BY DA’S OFFICE TO GRAND JURY
FILE IN CLOSED/RR
10/22/2002 DBS: CASH BOND D 1 $ 2100.00
DISBURSED $2,100.00 CK #7078 TO KRISTI MORGAN
CASH BOND RETURN
MAGISTRATE CK #6901/RR
10/15/2002 NTC: DISMISSAL OF COMPLAINT D 1
FILED BY DA’S OFFICE
TO BE PRESENTED TO GRAND JURY/RR
10/15/2002 ARRAIGNMENT HELD D 1
DEFEMDAMT PLED NOT GUILTY
BOND SET AT $2,100 CASH PLUS $100 BENCH WARRANT FEE/RR
10/03/2002 NTC: CRIMINAL SUMMONS D 1
RESET
CRIMINAL SUMMONS SET FOR 10/15/02 AT 08:00AM
NOTICE SENT TO DEF THIS DATE
FILE IN TICKLER/PLM
09/04/2002 WAR: BENCH WARRANT SERVED D 1
BW SERVED BY SAN JUAN COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPT. ON 08-24-02
JAB
02/05/2002 WAR: BENCH WARRANT ISSUED D 1 $ 100.00
BW ISSUED FOR FTA ON 01-16-02
BOND SET AT 2,100.00 CASH + 100.00 BW FEE
FILE IN PENDING JAB
12/28/2001 NTC: CRIMINAL SUMMONS D 1
DEF. TO APPEAR ON 1-16-02 AT 8:00AM
FILE IN TICKLER TLV
12/19/2001 OPN: CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FILED D 1
ON THIS DATE BY DWCP/ADA LAWRENCE TRUJILLO
9 COUNTS FILED ON THIS COMPLAINT
SUMMONS TO BE ISSUE RLM

Kay i hope that helps if shes lived anywhere else there are probably cases on her there too im happy to search anything you want u can get my home email from VAL if u need me! stay strong friend

» Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 30, 2010 – 12:07:49 }

The quote “5I have two cadaver dogs. A cadaver dog is trained to find only human remains. Cadaver dogs will bypass any dead animals they come across because the scent is different from the scent of a human decomposing.”

does not mean Me as in Kay, Eric’s mom. I have no cadaver dogs and until I read the new post from this person on that site mentioned above, I did not know they hit on blood also.
I am still waiting to hear from Det.s on this matter
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Kay, I did not know that either. When it came up here during a case in Florida…everyone was immediately certain that the dogs alerting on a scent meant nothing else but that there had to be a dead body somewhere. Then it was explained on the news by the dog handlers themselves…that body fluids or tissues, as they decompose, will release the same chemicals which the dogs alert on whether death has occurred or not. (And this stands to reason, of course…that people can lose tissue and fluids during accidents and it’s very easy to get injured while moving heavy furniture, etc…which I’m sure the pod has “seen a lot” of, over time, by many people who rented it. I think you are doing the best thing that you can do….being unbelievably patient and relying on LE to give you the answers you want so badly.
You probably get tired of hearing what a strong and brave woman you are, Kay…because you probably don’t feel very strong right now. But, my thoughts continue to be:
No wonder Eric loves his Mom so much.

thx for looking this up, it is very much appricated

Thank you Mrs. C Hop yes I will ask for your email from Val. I will try to find out where else we may need to search.
try AZ, Montana, nevada, Washington State, TX, CA

I got an Email from Det. Myers and he will be in touch with the family on Monday. If there is anything he says I can share I will.

I know that after reading that the dogs had hit on decomp, I fell apart, but I have to stay positive, they have not found a body and it could be someting other than where his body laid, it could be wher some of his blood landed from some point before the pod was filled, if it is my understanding the pod was rented after the 20th, so Eric was not helping to load the pod, acccordig to Kriti’s account of things. So Please do as we are puting up flyers of the kids and of Eric anywhere in the US. He could have hitched anywhere without us knowing what direction he took, not likely but it could have happened. There is the man from DR Phil that did not know who he was for years after he was found beat up and left for dead without even clothes on.
Please try to keep your eyes and minds open, tha is what my sis in WY just said to me.

Hi, just wanted to stop by and see if there are any new developments in Eric’s case or if his children have been located.

Kay, as I said before, please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I know you must be looking forward to Monday . . . . . Det. Myers.

I really can’t wait to speak to him and get as much infor as he will share with me.
It is frustrating to have to wait that long, I do have a call into our other hero Officer Rodgers. I hope he will call me back even today

Hi Kay,
I have been following this from the beginning and Just wanted to say I am still praying for you and your family and I hope you can find some peace soon.

Kay hope you get answers soon that give you some closure.
Prayers coming from my corner today and everyday.
Take care of yourself and family.

thx

Kay
Just wanted you to know that you and yours are still in my prayers. I can add much to what the great minds here come up with but I do come here several times each day to check on Eric and the kids.
These are trying times…know that Kristi CANNOT run forever with two kids! I am amazed she has made it this long. This is why I feel sure DM is involved and helping her to keep running. She too will pay…
Hugs from a flgrammie

I posted this comment on 7-29-10.

Kay or a family member:

This may have already been suggested but have you thought about contacting Children’s Protective Services (CPS) . . . . that is what it is called in Texas. I don’t know what it is called in Oregon or Washington (state).

What are your thoughts on filing a formal complaint with CPS (or whatever it is called) in Oregon, Washington and perhaps Nevada regarding Eric’s children? I think it would warrant an investigation regarding the location of the children. It appears, to me, that the children are not in a safe environment.
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Kay or a family member: What are your thoughts on filing a formal complaint?

Ann -TX
please get my email from Valhall

Ann-Tx,

I know there were welfare checks done at the residence in Eugene based on the news stories. Would those come from CPS or just LE?

I am sending positive thoughts out to my Eric, I want so bad to believe that he is still out there and all he has to do is see a picture of himself or someone to recognize him and call him by name to make him want to come home. So weather you live here or in Timbuktoo, please put up at least one poster in one place that a lot of people go to, like the conveinience stores or gas stations or bars or soup kitchens,,,,churches or Kingdom Halls or LDS Temples. Those that go door to door if you could just take one flyer with you and at the end of your conversation with the householder ask if he looks familier. We have a “road Warrior” traveiling the rails and rideing with truck drivers and stoping at a lot of truckstops and soup kitchens to see if anyone has seen our boy, He is relentless, he has been back and forth from the west coast to the east coast and now will travel north to south and then take new routes to all the places again. That is all at his exspence, God Bless him in his efforts. Please keep him in your prayers also. Pray for the babies and send out positive thoughts with your prayers that Eric will phone home. We love you all.

The welfare checks were from Karen and I sending LE there at all differnt times of the day and night. We hoped to catch them off guard and in bed. They had already left the home personally over the 4th of July holiday and then evedentially moved all altogether before the news casts ran.

»From what we as a family can gleen from accounts, that Kristi gave us she turned states evidence against Larry Clacie and that is why she was not tried on the worst of the crimes along with him.
Thanks so much Mrs.C. Hop
As I said if you will check Motanta, AZ, CO, and CA and maybe try WY?
we would really appreciate it. We just don’t know enough of how to do this.
Love ya
The family of Eric,Damion and Ivy

Mrs C Hop said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 07:07:31 }
http://www2.nmcourts.gov/caselookup/app

Kay enter her name at this site looks like there is this case

RECEIVING OR TRANSFERRING A STOLEN MOTOR VEHICLE F4 04/28/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001

and this…

DEFENDANT 1 MORGAN KRISTI
ATTORNEY: RAYMOND E ARCHAMBEAU
P PLAINTIFF 1 STATE OF NEW MEXICO
ATTORNEY: LISA KUYKENDALL

CRIMINAL CHARGE DETAIL
PARTY COUNT SEQ # STATUTE CHARGE CLASS CHARGE DATE CIT # PLEA DISPOSITION DISP DATE
D 1 1 1 30-16-2 ROBBERY F3 07/02/2001 DISMISSED – NO PROSECUTION 10/01/2001
D 1 2 1 30-16-2 F2 C CONSPIRACY ARMED ROBBERY WITH A DEADLY WEAPON 07/02/2001 DISMISSED – NO PROSECUTION 10/01/2001
D 1 3 1 66-3-504 UNLAWFUL TAKING OF A MOTOR VEHICLE F4 07/02/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001
D 1 4 1 30-6-3 CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELIQUENCY OF A MINOR F4 07/02/2001 GUILTY GUILTY PLEA/NOLO CONTENDERE 10/05/2001

» Mrs C Hop said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 07:07:22 }
this record is a lil interesting (and long sorry)

DEFENDANT 1 MORGAN KRISTI

CRIMINAL CHARGE DETAIL
PARTY COUNT SEQ # STATUTE CHARGE CLASS CHARGE DATE CIT # PLEA DISPOSITION DISP DATE
D 1 1 1 30-36-4 WORTHLESS CHECK ACT 02/27/2001 NOT GUILTY DISMISS BEFORE TRIAL W/O PREJ 10/15/2002

REGISTER OF ACTIONS ACTIVITY
EVENT DATE EVENT DESCRIPTION EVENT RESULT PARTY TYPE PARTY # AMOUNT
10/22/2002 CLS: NTC OF DISMISSAL W/O D 1
DISMISSED BY DA’S OFFICE TO GRAND JURY
FILE IN CLOSED/RR
10/22/2002 DBS: CASH BOND D 1 $ 2100.00
DISBURSED $2,100.00 CK #7078 TO KRISTI MORGAN
CASH BOND RETURN
MAGISTRATE CK #6901/RR
10/15/2002 NTC: DISMISSAL OF COMPLAINT D 1
FILED BY DA’S OFFICE
TO BE PRESENTED TO GRAND JURY/RR
10/15/2002 ARRAIGNMENT HELD D 1
DEFEMDAMT PLED NOT GUILTY
BOND SET AT $2,100 CASH PLUS $100 BENCH WARRANT FEE/RR
10/03/2002 NTC: CRIMINAL SUMMONS D 1
RESET
CRIMINAL SUMMONS SET FOR 10/15/02 AT 08:00AM
NOTICE SENT TO DEF THIS DATE
FILE IN TICKLER/PLM
09/04/2002 WAR: BENCH WARRANT SERVED D 1
BW SERVED BY SAN JUAN COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPT. ON 08-24-02
JAB
02/05/2002 WAR: BENCH WARRANT ISSUED D 1 $ 100.00
BW ISSUED FOR FTA ON 01-16-02
BOND SET AT 2,100.00 CASH + 100.00 BW FEE
FILE IN PENDING JAB
12/28/2001 NTC: CRIMINAL SUMMONS D 1
DEF. TO APPEAR ON 1-16-02 AT 8:00AM
FILE IN TICKLER TLV
12/19/2001 OPN: CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FILED D 1
ON THIS DATE BY DWCP/ADA LAWRENCE TRUJILLO
9 COUNTS FILED ON THIS COMPLAINT
SUMMONS TO BE ISSUE RLM

Thanks to all for condolences.
Checking back as often as possible.
Cannot get Eric, the children and all of the family & friends off my mind.
I hurt more for all of you than my own loss. Mu Aunt is truly at rest after
a life of many struggles. I am peaceful with her passing. She is with her
husband, parents and sisters now, and this is comforting.

Thanks for the update marica. I’m glad your Aunt is no longer suffering! Take care and know that you’re in our thoughts

Thank you Marica it is so nice to hear from you and know that you have some feeling of peace with her passing. You have been so good about all of this drama on this whole thing. Marica and all of you I need questions to ask of Det. Myers on Monday, any you can think of that you feel need to be answered would be of great assitance. I will go back up thread I’m sure there are a ton I can find up there, but any new ones that you think I should ask. There was one from seemeatthebeach that was very good but we kinda need to keep some of them private, so maybe you can ask Val for my email and get them to me that way if you think they might be something sencative. Thanks in advance. love you all

Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 06:07:02 }
Ann -TX
please get my email from Valhall
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Kay, it is a done deal! I e-mailed you.

Val, thank you for your help!

» MLR said: { Jul 31, 2010 – 06:07:27 }
Ann-Tx,

I know there were welfare checks done at the residence in Eugene based on the news stories. Would those come from CPS or just LE?
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Hi, MLR!

I see that Kay explained about LE. I just wonder if LE has got CPS (or whatever it is called in the states I mentioned in an earlier post) involved.

Hi Ann,

I think only kay could answer that. I know it has been difficlt for them to even get the children reported as missing because they are with their mother. I have no idea if that has changed or not now that Kristi is communicating with the detective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quZTdeUgiV8 ANN-TX you are awesome ! this how I feel when I read my bible I feel like I am on the shoulders of my Father Jehovah God! How so just at the right moment it came for us to hear. Thank you again my friend and I hope to meet you soon. Please all of you go to this link you will understand what I mean.
Kay

Hi Kay,

Good to hear from you today Hope you are feeling better!

1. Any information on where the ruckus is? Has it been sold? hawked?
2. Is the pod still being paid for?
3. Is the credit card Kristi used traceable?
4. Have they located the car Kristi rented to drive to WA?
5. Have they located Tim?
6. Does LE know where any of them are?
7. Is Kristi speaking to them over the phone? Can her calls be traced?

I’m sure after I submit this I will think of more but for now this is what I have.

MLR said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 12:08:30 }
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MLR, I just wish I knew how CPS worked in Oregon, Washington and Nevada.

I think in Texas if a person files a complaint, CPS has to investigate. I’m not real sure.

Maybe efforts by LE, to locate the children, are currently under way but Kay and the family can not disclose due to the investigation regarding Eric. I do know that when a case, such as Eric’s, is under investigation there is so much that LE can not release to anyone, including family.

Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 12:08:31 }
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Kay,
You welcome! I am glad you like it. I think the live performance by Josh Groban is beautiful and inspirational.

Also, this is another version by him with lyrics. Beautiful pictures and beautiful performance by Josh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTl0svRr0tQ&feature=related
“You Raise Me Up” with Lyrics by Josh Groban

MLR said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 12:08:53 }
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MLR, excellent questions!

It is late and I know a lot of folks are sleeping. I bet tomorrow others will add to the question list. There are a lot of sharp people on this site and like you, I know they will provide Kay with a lot of excellent questions for Kay to ask Det. Myers.

OK TIME FOR ME TO HEAD OFF FOR A LAY DOWN. NO ONE WILL LEAVE ME ALONE SO i CAN SIT HERE AND END UP NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE….LOL
SO I WILL CHECK IN SOME MORE TONIGHT BUT IT WILL BE LATE.

Kay, Eric’s mom said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 01:08:49 }
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Yes, Kay, it is late. You are still recovering from your surgery. Please get some rest.

Maybe tomorrow there will be a break in the case.

Rest peacefully, dear Kay!

Hi, Marica!

Although I have not blogged with you and don’t “know” you, please accept my deepest sympathy in the loss of your aunt.

Thanks MLR good ones will ask them. see my email

prayers for all ,,,,good nite

Question I thought you might ask….Were cadaver dogs used to search Eric’s house in Reno?
MLR you came up with some great questions!! I will think more on it tomorrow….very important to be prepared with questions when speaking with LE.

Kay, here’s two questions for Det. Myers.

1. Has investigators used Luminol in the pod?

2. Has Luminol been used on the home in Reno where Kristi said Eric lived?

Maybe someone who is computer savvy (which I am not) could start a list of the questions and periodically post it here. If that could be done, others could see what questions have been suggested without having to scroll up-thread and read or re-read the comments again. I think it would be helpful to have all of the questions compiled
on one list. Any thoughts on this?

Any volunteers?

And . . . . more questions:

1. What is being done to locate Kristi and Eric’s children?

2. Does LE feel that Kristi’s mother is helping her while she is on the “run”? If not, someone has to be helping her financially, i.e., food, diapers, gas, place to stay, etc.

And . . .

1. Have investigators talked to neighbors in Reno?

2. What type of activity did neighbors notice at the home in Reno before and after the date Eric disappeared?

3. Anything unusual the day Eric disappeared?

Now where is Columbo (Peter Falk) when I need him?

ann-tx:

…i have saved the questions to date in a word doc——will add as more are added.:

Any information on where the ruckus is? Has it been sold? hawked?

Is the pod still being paid for?

Is the credit card Kristi used traceable?. Have they located the car Kristi rented to drive to WA?

Have they located Tim?

Does LE know where any of them are?

Is Kristi speaking to them over the phone? Can her calls be traced?

Has investigators used Luminol in the pod?

Has Luminol been used on the home in Reno where Kristi said Eric lived?

What is being done to locate Kristi and Eric’s children?

Does LE feel that Kristi’s mother is helping her while she is on the “run”? If not, someone has to be helping her financially, i.e., food, diapers, gas, place to stay, etc.

…how’s this ann-tx—–i’ll update and post it as we get new questions…

??? QUESTIONS FOR LE / QUESTIONS IN GENERAL ???

note: this ” ? Question Post ? ” will be submitted randomly as a reference—–please post additional questions to be added to the list.

Any information on where the ruckus is? Has it been sold? hawked?

Is the pod still being paid for?

Is the credit card Kristi used traceable?. Have they located the car Kristi rented to drive to WA?

Have they located Tim?

Does LE know where any of them are?

Is Kristi speaking to them over the phone? Can her calls be traced?

Has investigators used Luminol in the pod?

Has Luminol been used on the home in Reno where Kristi said Eric lived?

What is being done to locate Kristi and Eric’s children?

Does LE feel that Kristi’s mother is helping her while she is on the “run”? If not, someone has to be helping her financially, i.e., food, diapers, gas, place to stay, etc.

Have investigators talked to neighbors in Reno?

What type of activity did neighbors notice at the home in Reno before and after the date Eric disappeared?

Anything unusual the day Eric disappeared?

…another question:

–what went on in the 11 hour disappearance of kristi——when she was “stuck in a 1/2 inch of snow? ”

…where was she? who WAS she with?

» ellejay said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 03:08:46 }
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Wow, ellejay! You are awesome! It looks great. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I bet Kay is going to be so excited about how you have set the list of questions up!

I am fairly new to the computer world. I can C & P, post links, send e-mails and research info. That’s about it. In the fall, I hope to take a computer class so I can learn how to really use my computer!

I know Kay is going to really appreciate what you have done in regard to the questions!
(That is a Yes) and a for ellejay!

ellejay said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 04:08:35
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ellejay: Excellent question! 11 hours . . . .. something hinky there! I would really like to know the answer to that one!

» Ann – Tx said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 03:08:19

2. Has Luminol been used on the home in Reno where Kristi said Eric lived?
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ellejay, please delete the above question or just change said to and.

Has Luminol been used on the home in Reno where Kristi and Eric lived?
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It should read and instead of said. Thank you, ellejay!

» katfish said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 02:08:06 }

Question I thought you might ask….Were cadaver dogs used to search Eric’s house in Reno?
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ellejay, the above question is from Katfish. I don’t think it is on the list. Maybe I missed it!

what about her cell records apparently she has used the same one this whole time can LE subpeona her cell records? i know alot can be learned from calls texts n ping info

Kay asked that I share this photo with you. It is of Eric at the age of 4 with his cat “Beast”.

Kay -

only a dismissed speeding ticket in AZ, nada in Montana, could you narrow down to specific counties for CO and CA?

awwwwwwww that is so adorable, great picture

Val,
I follow another very good blog from Harlinemarxist and asked if he would read your information about Eric and family and put something up on on his site. He commented back and said he would. I’m just hoping the more info. out there will will help. I hope you don’t mind.

http://mccannexposure.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/gallery.jpg

Woops, I guess I should have put the link in here. Sorry

Peedoffinny,

Of course I don’t mind! Thank you. The goal has always been to get Eric’s story out. Thanks for passing it forward.

http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/

Val-would you like me to start a thread at RC for Eric, with a link back here?

Julie,

I think the family would welcome discussion of Eric’s case in as many places as possible. The more brains involved in this, the more of a chance it will remain an active case and come to some type of resolution.

Val, I put up a thread for Eric.

Thank you to all of you for all of your help and compassion. Peedoffinny said do we mind …… no of course not post on any site you think might get his face and the babies faces out there and hers too for that matter the key to finding everyone IMO is Kristi herself/

And thank you Eljay, it will be so much easier this way I am going to submit them in an email also. So If he has to research something then he can before we talk. And Thanks for getting Kristi’s record I don’t remember who did but your a hero, he said he was having trouble getting them put together……because it did not matter who sent it to him he still has to confirm but this should make it a lot easier.

Beast is almost as big as Eric. LOL Thanks for sharing this sweet picture!

Julie what is RC ?

katfish – sorry, RC = Reality Chatter, it’s a blog. Feel free to check it out if you want, click on my name, or it’s also on Val’s Blogroll.
Here’s a direct link to Eric’s thread.

http://www.realitychatter.com/missing-murdered-f30/eric-preimesberger-missing-4-20-10-t2594.htm

Val-I hope you don’t mind that I included the link. If you don’t want the link, just take it off.

Hi, Julie!

Before you posted the Link to RC, I went there and checked out Eric’s thread there. It is nice how you posted it with the Link back to The Hinky Meter!

Any exposure this case gets . . . . . the better ! Every blog has regular readers (lurkers) and folks who comment.

I’m going to leave a message for you on Just for Chat so I don’t get off topic on Eric’s thread. Going there shortly. Please look for it later. Thanks, Julie!

» Valhall said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 07:08:44 }
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Val,
Thank you for posting the sweet picture of Eric and his cat!

Kay: What a beautiful little boy Eric was and he grew up to be a handsome young man!

Kay, if you don’t mind, I’d like to make the following comment here. If you and Val want to delete it, then Val can delete it. I don’t mean for that to sound like Val needs my permission. LOL I’m thinking that someone may be clicking on and don’t have time to go up-thread to read all of the previous comments.
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Comment: Kay, Eric’s mother, will be talking to Det. Myers regarding the status of Eric’s case on Monday (tomorrow), 8-2-10.

Kay would appreciate input from others. If you could suggest questions that you feel Kay should ask Det. Myers, please post them here in a comment.

Ellejay, is compiling a list of questions. I think she will periodically post the list on this thread.

To see the questions that the posters here have suggested so far, please scroll up-thread to Ellejay’s comments on 8-1-10 at 3:08:41 and 3:08:46.

Thank you, on behalf of Kay and her family, for your suggested questions. A special thank you to Ellejay for compiling a list and a very special thank you to Valhall for allowing us to compile a list for Kay!

Kay,

I have a question to add about Ivy. Did Kristi notify the school and what was the reason (if any) she told them for taking Ivy out of school early?

you guys are awesome I will be back in a few have to go pick up a meal from friends. Everyone has been fantastic from our congregation and others.
I hope I can have some answers to our questions as I sent them to him in case he needs to do research on any of them to get me answers. of course it goes without saying I can only share what he says I can. love you all, Kay

Kay,

I was wondering if there has been a reward offered? Sometimes tips will be generated just with the offer. It would appeal to those that are “desperate” for money but not going to say something for nothing. Just a thought!

More questions;

We talked a while back about Kristi getting food stamps etc.

1. Has anyone checked Kristi’s SS# with any government agencies to see if she has applied for any kind of assistance?
2. Has anyone located a P.O. box for Kristi and/or Tim?
3. Are there any bills, car payment, insurance etc?
4. How are these people receiving the payments? Is it Auto draft? Where’s the bank account? Is it attached to a credit card? can that card be traced?
5. Does Eric have Life Insurance?

*** thanks so much ellejay for putting it all together for us

We live on very low income from Soc.Sec. and Personal Care Option program where I can stay home and care for them all. The pay is low and not a lot of money left to use as a reward. I do not want to ask anyone for money as they may believe that is the reason we put this out there.

» Kay, Eric’s MOM said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 05:08:45 }

Kay that is what I meant when I asked if there is anything we could do??
I realize with all the problems that you have and living with your son and DIL and grandchild if there was any thing we could do. I don’t usually send money to any cause where there is a criminal case but have sent to TES with TIm Miller.
I know with all the phone calls and such that you have been doing with your son’s case, it can get into expenses that are not included with your regular phone bills.
Maybe, someone can set up an account that can be used with to help you with all the added expenses pertaining to your son’s case.
I would be glad to contirbute too it. As I realaize how expensive it is to do things that require extra money. I know there are a lot of orginzations that help with the reward. And I am sure there are people here that has knowledge of them.
I don’t know if Val approves of such things but I am sure she can directs us to the sites.

You have a lot of problems on your plate and know any help would be appreciated.
If any suggestons are available they will be posted.
I am still praying for your family and closure to this matter.

Thank you CLMINOR, we appreciate the offer, as I said I am afraid that some will think that is why we have put this out there. We do not want to appear to “make” money from the disapperance of Eric. Yes things have run up a lot faster than we expected them to. We will just keep trusting In God to make sure we have what we need. If that is one of the things that He has in mind then it will have to be started by someone other than us. We would even be willing to have someone else to handle that kind of thing for us as I would not have any idea of how to disperse the money if it came to that.

Kay and CLMinor,

I can only speak about what I know happens in my county here in Texas.

If this was in my county, the Crime Stoppers program (at Law Enforcement request) would put up a reward. The amount depends upon the crime.

Different folks or organizations may jointly set up an account at a local bank. Our local newspaper would do an article and give information on how to contribute if anyone is interested. Our local radio station, would also promote it.

We hardly have any serious crime here, but I know in one case, there was a fundraiser drive thru bar-b-que to help generate funds for the reward fund.

Kay, I would put that on my question list. Please ask Det. Myers if there is a crime stopper type program that LE could refer this case to for reward money consideration.

I know in the Baby Gabriel case, a New Mexico restaurant, did a fundraiser to generate funds for the father who was in San Antonio, Tx trying to develop leads in the Baby Gabriel case.

Hi, MLR and Peedoffiny!

Great questions!

» Ann – Tx said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 06:08:56 }

I also live in a small town in East Texas. And we do not have this type of thing.
There are several cases here that have never gotten attention. One girl that has been missing from Hallsville for over twenty years. And another case that has never had attention is a little girl that was missing from Tyler since the 90′s. I remember her name well. Megan who was five years old. They are cold cases now and a detective from Tyler is still working on them. There are about 10 cold cases which this detective has on his desk. Type in Cold cases in Tyler Tex and you will see what I mean.
And we have a lot of cases where a body is found and is labeled Jane or John Doe.
So, in some parts of Texas we still have a lot of missing people and people who have been found without an a name to put to them. The Kentucky Fried Chicken thing was recently solved and the persons charged and prosecuted after years.
I lived about a mile from one case and it has never been solved with a school teacher who was beaten to death. Small towns have a lot of cases that have never been solved.
I wished someone would give them the attention they deserve. It upsets me to no end, but there not much I can do about them.

» CLMinor said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 07:08:13 }
East TX. Do you know of Lone Star? Lived there 20 years ago. Very quiet rural area and as you have said, not much crime.

Dear Kay,

Here are a few ideas you might want to consider…..

When you speak with Det. Meyers tomorrow, one of the first questions I would want to ask is whether the report (media package?) he/she promised has been completed and if it hasn’t, to stress the importance it could have on getting information to the public who can help look for your missing family members. Their failure to live up to their promise is actually counterproductive and hindering their own effort.

Along the same lines, I suggest you request LE to call a press conference to ask for assistance from the public. Perhaps they can set up a hotline for tips. Surely this type of thing is not uncommon for police and chances are they already have a protocol in place for just such situations. A press conference would not only give you some of the publicity you seek, but may be the catalyst to get more national news coverage.

Insofar as starting a fund to be used as reward money for information that may lead to locating Eric, Kristi, Ivy and Damion, I suggest you speak with the president or an officer of the bank you use to do your own banking business. While they may not know you personally, there will be a certain bond based on your banking history. They can set up a trust account (or some other type of account) and provide an address for donations (usually a PO Box) so there is no question funds are going directly to them and are to be used only for their stated purpose. I really don’t know all the fine details, but I think the bank appoints someone to oversee/manage the account/fund/trust which would be totally independent of you or your family. It’s good PR for the bank to act with concern for members of the community and I would hope no direct costs to you would be involved.

As far as actual donations are concerned, publicity such as through a news conference as mentioned above can really help. I’m certain many Hinksters will be happy to donate because we want to do something constructive. I’m convinced there are civic organizations that would donate once they are made aware of the need. The same is likely true of church groups, particularly if the congregations are made aware via the clergy from the pulpit.

Kay, I have no idea if this helps you at all, but the overriding thought in my mind is that maybe something I’ve said will spark your own creativity. All I know about Reno is that when I was young, it was a popular destination location for movie stars to obtain quickie divorces. You know your community and its inhabitants and need to appeal to them in a way they can hear and want to respond.

In the meantime, you and your loved ones are constantly in my thoughts and prayers. Please be well and stay strong in your faith.

» Marica said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 08:08:47 }

Yep Know of Lone Star well. My best friend lives there and has all of her life.
The home of Lone Star Steel. Who was purchased by the people who work there.
Her dad worked their all his life too.
A quaint little town.

Kay,

Like Ann-Tx we also have a crimestoppers reward. Might be worth looking into to see if Eric’s case could qualify.

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Thanks Ann-TX great suggestion by you also!

Kay,

One more thought….be absolutely certain to contact the local motorcycle dealers, particularly ones that sell the Ruckus kind. I have every confidence they would donate to a reward fund. Also, don’t forget the motorcycle club Eric belonged to! I have a feeling you’ll have a proper reward very quickly.

COL-

Great ideas!!

you guys are really great, I will try all of these suggestions

There is a huge thunderstorm going on right now and Eric would love this, he would sit outside in the garage or in the shed and watch with childlike wonder and he passed that along to Ivy Rayne. I pray he will get to do the same with baby Damien Eric. Please come home Kristi, this all needs to come to a head and get sorted out. You are a good mother , you know that Ivy and Damien need to come home to a safe and calm inviroment. PLAESE come here and tell your story, tell us what happened and we can then work on fixing it. Stop this drama for you and the kids, you need to have a stable home too. We can fix up a place here for you even, we have done some research and it is possible to add on to the house and be in our budget. Call me, call Coby, Call Detective Lincoln in SJCSO 505-334-1107 he can help you and the kids. just do what is right, you know the reason I called you a coward was it made you mad and you did the right thing and called home. That showed courage, show it again and call this detective. Prove us all wrong that say you will not call. show me I’m wrong again that you really are not a coward.

Dear Kay I just wanted to leave you a short note telling you how much I admire your tenacity and courage in trying to bring Eric home. I see that there has been msm coverage of your case and I couldn’t be happier for you. Finally, you are seeing some movement in the case of your missing child. I sincerely hope that it won’t be too much longer until you have a resolution and I’m praying for the best for you and your family. It has been very rewarding to read the updates on Eric’s case and seeing a community work together. I have no doubt that had you not reached out to Valhall, Eric’s name would not be known to us. You deserve some sunshine in your life Kay and I hope that you get it, your family are very lucky to have you.

??? QUESTIONS FOR LE / QUESTIONS IN GENERAL ???

note: this ” ? Question Post ? ” will be submitted randomly as a reference.
PLEASE POST any additional questions to be added to the list.

Any information on where the ruckus is? Has it been sold? hawked?

Is the pod still being paid for?

Is the credit card Kristi used traceable? Have they located the car Kristi rented to drive to WA?

Have they located Tim?

Does LE know where any of them are?

Is Kristi speaking to them over the phone? Can her calls be traced?

Have investigators used Luminol in the pod?

Has Luminol been used on the home in Reno where Kristi and Eric lived?

What is being done to locate Kristi and Eric’s children?

Does LE feel that Kristi’s mother is helping her while she is on the “run”? If not, someone has to be helping her financially, i.e., food, diapers, gas, place to stay, etc.

Have investigators talked to neighbors in Reno?

What type of activity did neighbors notice at the home in Reno before and after the date Eric disappeared?

Anything unusual the day Eric disappeared?

Were cadaver dogs used to search Eric’s house in Reno?

What went on in the 11 hour disappearance of Kristi?
Where was she? Who was she with?

Did Kristi notify the school and what was the reason (if any) she told them for taking Ivy out of school early?

Has anyone checked Kristi’s SS# with any government agencies to see if she has applied for any kind of assistance?

Has anyone located a P.O. Box for Kristi and/or Tim? Are there any bills, car payment, insurance etc?

How are these people receiving the payments? Is it Auto draft? Where’s the bank account? Is it attached to a credit card? Can that card be traced?

Does Eric have Life Insurance?

Is there is a crime stopper type program that LE could refer this case to for reward money consideration?

Has the report (media package?) he/she promised has been completed? If it hasn’t, stress the importance it could have on getting information to the public who can help look for your missing family members.

Request LE to call a press conference to ask for assistance from the public. Perhaps they can set up a hotline for tips.

Has the report (media package?) he promised has been completed? If it hasn’t, stress the importance it could have on getting information to the public who can help look for your missing family members.
That little one that had NO INFORMATION IN IT that was their idea of a press release it did not even say why they were looking for him or anything. That is why we did what we did and got ahold of the media ourselves, then LE would not call them back and now he is upset with me for what was put out and stuff that wasn’t correct like the Pod still had all of the stuff in it when they found the flowers…..and other stuff. If he would have answered them it would have been right….corrrect??

Just wanted to check in!

Wow, Ellejay, thanks for the updated list!

There are a lot of great questions on the list. It is so nice to see all of the questions in a list instead of having to go upthread and find them in the comments. You did an awesome job! Many thanks!

» MLR said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 09:08:01 }
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You welcome, MLR!

» CLMinor said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 07:08:13
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Hi, CLMinor!

Thank you for sharing that information with me. I put “Cold Cases in Tyler, Tx” on my ‘To Do’ list so I won’t forget to check it out. Hopefully, tomorrow I can check it out. Yes, it is so sad that some of these cases don’t get media attention and some are in the Cold Case file for years.

As you may be aware, there is a data base of DNA now. I saw on a Houston TV station that a case was recently solved as a result of it. The State of Texas is compiling DNA and I think it may eventually tie in on a national level if it has not already done so.

Our local paper publishes the names of the folks that have been sentenced to jail, prison, probation, etc. and these folks are being ordered by the Judge to provide DNA samples for the data base.

Eric has been missing for so long. I feel if Val had not wrote about this case and garnered so much support (with awesome suggestions and help) for Kay and her family, this case would have probably been put in the Cold Case File.

Kay, please tell the detective this case is over 90 days old and it desperately needs media attention. Eric is missing, his wife and children are on the run and it is imperative that LE holds a press conference regarding this case! What is LE waiting for?

Major TV stations have a huge viewing audience that cover a large geographical area. Just think of how many people can be “reached”! If they would hold a presser, maybe the market could be saturated with a picture of Eric, the children, Kristi, etc.

Darnudes said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 10:08:40 }
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Hi, Darnudes!
What a beautiful comment! You are so right. I feel the same as you . . . . . if Kay had not reached out to Val and Val so kindly wrote about this case, we never would have known about Eric.

» Kay, Eric’s MOM said: { Aug 1, 2010 – 09:08:33 }
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Hi, Kay!

You know Kristi and you know which “buttons” to push. If she has access to a computer or if someone is keeping her abreast of what is transpiring here, maybe Kristi will do the right thing.

Keep in mind, Kay . . . . . my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family!

Well, I think I’m caught up here . . . . . later!

Ellejay:

Kudos for an excellent job keeping track of and updating all the questions to ask LE regarding this case. I know you’ve invested a gread deal of time and effort to keep the list current and accurate. Good you!

Kay,

Just wanted to wish luck today. I hope you get alot of answers and some much needed help!

Hugs to you

Thanks for all the good questions and thanks to Ellejay for putting it together so well. I sent it to the detective and asked him to research each answer before he called me today, that way we can have an inteligent conversation about this case. It has been 104 days since I heard Eric’s voice, 100 days since Kristi says she saw him last. This is getting Ridiculous!!!

I too will be looking up cold cases in Tyler, TX

» Kay, Eric’s MOM said: { Aug 2, 2010 – 11:08:36 }
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Hi, Kay!
I’m just checking in to see if there is anything new. Great idea that you sent Det. Myers the list of questions so he could research before he calls you.

Yes, Ellejay did an awesome job of compiling the list! There is some great talent on The Hinky Meter.

First things first,~~~ To God be the Glory~~~ “Acknowledge ye First the Kingdom of God and all of his Righteousness and all other things shall be added unto ye for that Day”.

Kay, Beloved Mommy of Eric, Endeared new friend to all of us on the net, I want to welcome you to a safe, informed, well experienced group of sleuthers, bloggers and complete caring citizens who have for many many years been doing these types of cases. For you Darling, it’s a whole new different World, for us, it’s something we “DO”!

It is imperative the points I’m going to stress:

1. You are amongst the gifted, talented, trained, informed and experienced group of crime sleuthers this World has to offer from all walks of life, age and diverse knowledge in criminal and family type issues. Our payoff is finding answers, bringing home loved ones, and helping people as you who have not a clue to the world of true real crime. You have lived apparently a lawful life and not exposed to the criminal elements of Society. Most all of us are the same, only difference is we’ve educated ourselves in these horrific cases.

2. Reward: I understand your concerns about some maybe taking that in a “wrong light” as gain for profit. But let me assure you. Those of us here and on the net that do these things know the importance of a reward being set up for any and all information. Money talks and motivates. Money if you notice is the sole reasons we’ve seen in the criminal records listed so far. Someone, and probably more than one, knows something. People talk. Especially kids, females. When You talk with LE, they have programs available for the “Victims” which is exactly what you and Eric are “Victims”. These programs have been established for years and years because: Theres a need for it, right? Of course. Its recognized and accepted procedure, so please dont let this concern you have about asking for donations or Reward money hinder you. Honey, you can’t shoulder and burden this all alone. Nor are you expected too.

3. Do not accept nor tolerate any dis-respect from LE. They are suppose to be professionals. Try to keep all communications peaceful and flowing. Unfortunately, theres always that “One” in a group even in LE that want to “rebel” against things as they themselves have grew up and lived with a rebellious spirit so it will show in their job performances as well. Just be wise and recognize any behaviors not becoming a professional. Unfortunately, this requires strength, energy and being on your toes constantly. I’ve read your health issues, and am concerned tenderly about your recovery and completeness.

So I pray now, Father God for Kay to be healed completly and made whole. She has a task in front her no “Mommy” oughta ever face. Father I Bless you for the opportunity to serve you and help a Daughter of yours in her and Families time of need. God lead us all on the right paths according to your Will and that it “Shall Be Done”, Amen, So Be it!

I appreciate the comment section and case moving forward and opening back up. Appreciate so greatly the progress made by all who made it happen. May you be Blessed in ways un-imaginable and given your hearts desires as you’ve all have stood “United” and helped shoulder this Families Burdens.

As of to date, catching up, this case is of a serious nature will many flags pointing to criminal elements along with as we’ve learned well seasoned hardened felonous criminals involved. Anyone that will commit a Strong Armed Robbery, in my mind has always been the next step to being of a mindset to have it in them to take anothers life.

Kristi is one hundred fold wrong in her behavior, actions and choices long before Eric disappeared but moreso since he’s last been seen or heard from. To not report your very own husband “Missing” when he is “Gone”, only has one reason why. Either they know without a shadow of a doubt they did leave you and were alive and well somewhere else, or you know their now “Missing” and have no desire to “Ring that Bell” and draw any attention to the situation and have not one, not one Blessed Concern for the Loved Ones of that “Missing” person, including his own flesh and blood, his Babes. Pure shameful. Shameful to anyone who perpetrates this situation causing more agony to Erics family.

May God stop them, stop and shut them down. All who have had any negative involvement and knowledge inside this case and have made any choice other than a rightful one. We are mounting up with evidence with the search warrant findings, Kristi being on the run with children, and new knowledge of past criminal behaviors and records of the kind of people in this circle surrounding Eric, unbeknowest to his very own family. Speaks loud volumes.

I’m not leaving any word un-spoken here. AMW, John Walsh’s site needs to be contacted by submitting this case information and can be done on his website. The National Center for Missing Persons needs to be contacted and the process of identifying and getting Eric a missing persons code number entered into their national data base systems which network out all across this country throughout the internet, LE and Governmental agencies including out of Country. His case information needs to be immediately submitted in order to get the process rolling.

Dateline NBC has put out a request asking for any newsworthy stories to contact them. The link to this request is posted at Websleuths.com which also has a very nice big forum for the missing including “Light the Way Home” run by a poster named Christine and her hard working Lovely Members who have a well established network system in place also. Let me get the link,hope its ok to post. Networking means to get information out there. We must help one another in everyway possible. Here’s the link to Dateline asking for our Stories Mama Kay: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5422359#post5422359

His email is: Daniel.Slepian@nbcuni.com this is the email address to send the story too. According to the article at Ws link I posted: there you can read all the details given about getting your Story to Daniel. It says, he reads every email. Good luck.

Erics story at this point is Paramount and all the “Hinky Meter” flags are waving hard and when we feel, see, smell the Hink, we know to take a deeper look into the matter.

God Bless you all. Your a great caring group of people. KL

I have requested this case be Spotlighted at Radionewz Forum, a growing true crime forum of great sleuthers who are working on other cases and making great progress. Hopefully it will get spotlighted and featured as it unfolds. Lest the link is there to direct the guests and members over here to read. KL

Good luck, Kay

I posted the links to the missing fliers on my FB page, I have friends and relatives in those areas

Where is everybody? Hi Kay, did you have any luck today with the Detective?

Well I just got told I am hindering the investigation and that he will not answer any of my questions because he does not want any information out on this or anyother site.
I’ll write to Val in private in a few when I calm down.

I am sorry Kay, But maybe the LEO wants to keep everything under cover to keep the suspect from knowing what they are planning and to keep them from running and hiding. Seems like they are top of the investigation now and any information pertaining to this would be confidential. Know that you are upset, but try to look at thru their eyes.
We can always pray that things will be worked out and justice will be done.
Prayers coming from my corner for you and the family and for two little kids that need to be looked after in a safe way.

awww detective im pretty sure KAY knows how to use good judgement and would follow any instruction you gave her. Kay has let us all know in advance she would not be sharing anything you said not to. Are you sure it wasnt the MONTHS that went by before you even bothered yourself with Anything relating to Eric that hindered this investigation? Funny how the ONLY answers or responses she has received from LE are BECAUSE the media became involved…Just sayin …

sorry Kay im PISSED with you

Kay,
It’s awful funny how you are NOW hindering their investigation….if it wasn’t for your persistence, there wouldn’t even be one! Regardless, I do believe that they are getting close, and most likely won’t let you know anything until they are positive and make an arrest. In the meantime, keep strong and try to take care of yourself. They will find Eric, give them time.

well said Peedoff (lol i just got your name n i like it)

Thanks Mrs. CHop, I came up w/ that name when I was thinking about leaving my husband – still with him and still peedoff – lol.

Kay,

I stopped by here earlier to check in on you and saw what you said about your conversation with the detective. At the time I was frustrated and felt it was best not to post. However, the frustration didn’t go away as I thought it would. I can’t imagine being in your shoes, wanting answers and being unable to get them. Wanting your son home and no one giving you direction to where he could be.

We just can’t stop now, we have Eric, Ivy and Damion to locate! Even if WE can’t get answers we can still get the word out. We still need to continue to blanket the media with Eric’s story, especially the local news in Eugene, Reno and NM. Did the detective say he didn’t want us doing that anymore?

I believe that Shantell can set up donations for a reward on the causes page. I know that this is something you all were against but seriously, money talks and the type of people that Kristi associated with is probably indicative of who she is running with now. They look for ways to make easy money and score their next hit. Well, we can offer easy money to the person that leads you to the kids and the circumstances surrounding Eric’s diappearance!

Think about it please Kay?

Hi, MLR!

I agree with your comment!

What are your thoughts on providing and posting e-mail addys to the TV stations and newspapers here? Those that read and/or post here could see where to send an e-mail.

I don’t know how Facebook works. Would that be something that could be posted on Facebook . . . .please send an e-mail requesting this TV station cover the Eric Preimseberger case?

I know Kay is very upset and disappointed. Kay might really be surprised of all the investigation that is underway. They just simply can not divulge any info because it may compromise the case.

About a year ago (Sept), my second cousin was found dead in a bloody mess. Gunshots! His parents are deceased and he had no siblings.

It was 3 days before it was disclosed to us that there are two people dead. It was a murder – suicide. We were shocked! A first cousin and I worked closely with Law Enforcement and my sister worked with the Medical Examiner’s Office in getting his body released to her for burial and she planned the funeral.

Because of a possible volatile situation, she had to hire off-duty police officers to be at the church and we had an invitation list. If the person’s name was not on it, the officers did not allow entry into the church. The funeral was private by invitation only. On top of the tragedy, we had to contend with a possible volatile situation. Very stressful!

I will say this . . . very little info was released to the first cousin and me initially and things were kept close to the vest (LE). It was under investigation and they simply could not jeopardize or compromise the case. We understood.

The case was closed about 3 months later. The first cousin was given the official police report. He sent copies to all of the first cousins and a few second cousins. I was amazed at the incredible investigation that took place. It was a very detailed report, i.e., date, time, place, person name interviewed, statements, etc. LE did investigate and left no stone unturned!

About 4 months after the death, an offer was made to us three (there are about 11 first cousins and numerous 2nd cousins), by the lead detective, to see some of the crime scene photos (which he would select) and a select few of the autopsy photos. We declined. This offer still stands. My cousin was provided a copy of the Autopsy Report by the Medical Examiners Office.

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Val, please delete my 2 test comments and this one. Thank you.

I understand not wanting certain things to be public. This makes total sense. But the fact that LE is not keeping you in the loop Kay, quite frankly just flat infuriates me. HOW MUCH TIME WENT BY BEFORE THEY WENT TO THE MEDIA??? And with that puny little story with practically NO information. I fail to understand why one story, one person, one angle is of more importance to LE, the media and others, than another. Should not EVERY missing person be of some serious relevance?? Especially when they have been missing for over 100 days!!

I can even understand not wanting to answer all of your questions, as that would definitely take time away from their investigation. I can understand keeping certain facts from the general public. I can even understand keeping specifics from you, and most definitely if there is not enough information about something, no need to raise a stir about a “maybe”. But to say you are “hindering the investigation” is BEYOND ME!! They waited HOW MANY DAYS…. NO MONTHS…. before going public?? How much vital time was wasted until they finally let an official missing persons be filed? But now it’s “hindering”?? Do they not understand that you are one concerned mama bear that has so much at stake here?? I’m really hoping that there is some angle that we just can’t see at this point or that there is something happening that just can’t be talked about yet. The way I am seeing it from where I am sitting is like it is only OK for you and your “posse” (for lack of a better word) to talk amongst themselves, blog, post, and basically ask imperative questions that are a good faith effort to help, just as long as there is no expectation to have anything answered. And I’m not talking about your “posse” knowing the answers. But YOU KAY, having some sense of resolution at least concerning the investigation, by some of YOUR questions being answered. I really hope I’m wrong here, as I don’t want to think the worst about how they are handling this. Even a simple “I can’t answer that” would be better than being told you are “hindering the investigation”. Maybe it’s just not time yet. The Lord knows what needs to take place concerning the who, what, when, where, why and how and our minds and hearts just can’t possibly understand or even begin to fathom the awesome power that He has. God is just. God is loving. God is kind. God is constant. He will take care of what needs to be taken care of and when. Being patient on the human level is so difficult sometimes. Much love and CONSTANT prayers for you Kay, and of course the immense amount of people hurt, devastated, worried and confused about all that is happening. I also pray for you Kristi, Karen and Tim. Pray that God lay on your hearts and your hearts be open to Him to do His will and to help heal you all from whatever hurt, fear and pain you are feeling. You’re right if you are thinking that none of us can understand or even begin to fathom all that is happening in your hearts & minds because that is YOURS!! I am sure that you are also unable to understand Kay’s feelings on her level because they are hers. Or her actions and words because few of us have actually had to walk in the shoes she’s having to right now. But please, while it appears that you are still in your continued silence, I hope you take the time to consider the deep hole in her life now. No matter what things Eric has or hasn’t done (referring to an earlier post by DM about his choices) that does not warrant the turmoil of his family not knowing his whereabouts. From the way it appears you have at least talked to your children. And the fact that there doesn’t appear to be anything being done to find your so-called missing kids speaks volumes. This is not a judgment, just an observation. But I also can’t possibly even begin to imagine the predicament your family seems to be in and all the confusion and fear that you all must be feeling and trying to deal with. I pray daily that there be at least some answered questions soon (not for us, but for the families & loved ones involved) and at best Eric found and brought back to his family.

» Kay, Eric’s MOM said: { Aug 2, 2010 – 06:08:08 }
Well I just got told I am hindering the investigation and that he will not answer any of my questions because he does not want any information out on this or anyother site.
I’ll write to Val in private in a few when I calm down.
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Kay,
Yes, we want answers, but the many questions put together here, ( I believe) were questions intended to help LE. Don’t let this detective get you down. REMEMBER…
LE are public servants, and they are paid by tax payers, so they work for US. WE are their employers, and that was down right rude and inconsiderate of this detective to have said such a thing to you.
I guess we need to make up a list of questions to submit by mail and write a note saying while we WANT answers, we are willing to wait, but in the mean time here are some questions we hope are being pursued.

» Kay, Eric’s MOM said: { Aug 2, 2010 – 06:08:08 }
Well I just got told I am hindering the investigation and that he will not answer any of my questions because he does not want any information out on this or anyother site.

…wow. how could information out on this or any other site “hinder” the investigation?

…i could understand that if we were at day 2, day 5 even…so that LE could conduct their investigation in private——-but at day 100 plus????

…is he insinuating that kristi ( or her BFF karen ) will read here, and continue to get further away?

…or is he embarassed b/c HE / they dropped the ball from the very start by NOT getting the story “out there” , is HIS job in jeopardy b/c he FAILED to follow through and conduct a proper investigation??

..if NOT for val—–there would be very little info “out there” on eric——there would not be the numerous posters plastered all over, we surely don’t have “him” to thank for any of that.

…i would like for him to explain in detail HOW any of THIS—-IS a hindrance—the posters ? the postings here on the site? getting in touch with media? you would think he’d appreciate the cyber help. ( since he didn’t appear to be getting anywhere.)

…was it just today that he is no longer civil/ answering your questions? and accusing you of “hindering the investigation”? ( i could be wrong—-but didn’t you have a good working relationship up to now? )

…if so—–the reason he wouldn’t be taking your questions—–is b/c he did not follow through —-and doesn’t have an answer to the vast majority of them ?

…i have no clue how it works there ( being from canada ) —-but if the detective assigned to the case won’t give you information/answer your questions—–is that normal? or do you go to his superior and ask him/her?

LE is encouraging the putting out of Missing Person posters in Eric`s behalf. Kay was commended for being the loving & deeply caring Mother she is,and rightly so! LE emphasised there role in following up leads & getting the facts of this case documented.Each group has their job to do. Keep up the good work. Thank you sooo much.

wy family said: { Aug 3, 2010 – 03:08:56 }
LE is encouraging the putting out of Missing Person posters in Eric`s behalf. Kay was commended for being the loving & deeply caring Mother she is,and rightly so!

…….my apologies——i took it differently then.

…very good—-i couldn’t imagine why LE was not encouraging “this or any other site” to continue to be pro-active.
…i do get it that they wouldn’t want “their”(info that they are working on), “out there”.

..and yes,eric couldn’t possibly hope for a better person than Kay , to be in his corner. i’m glad to hear that it was ackowledged by LE.

…i wish they could have given up SOME info on kristi—–here we are again—-back to square one looking for her——and more importantly—-the little kids.

…

Hi Ann-Tx,

I’m so sorry to hear about your cousin! I understand LE’s need to keep things close to the vest and I especially understand them not wanting the general public to know. I just wish that could at least make Kay feeel like the are doing everything they can to locate Eric, Ivy and Damion. I’m not even related and I feel like we are starting all over again. It’s frustrating!

Yes, posting the e-mail address again is a great thing. There are always new folks visiting Val’s site that may want to participate in that, and we can all do it again, over and over until the stations/papers decide to pick up the story. There are some up thread and I believe on the other Eric threads however most people don’t back track to see what’s been said.

There is a face Book page for Eric. I will post the link. It is under the causes section of FB so I don’t even know for sure if you have to be a member of face book to visit.

http://www.causes.com/causes/497991?m=0d43bb06

» MLR said: { Aug 3, 2010 – 10:08:18 }
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Hi, MLR!

I am working on several projects and I have a Friday deadline on some and a big deadline today. I don’t have a lot of time to spend on Eric’s thread this week. Darn!

I am so sorry I did not expand further on Kay’s comment. I think it was rude of the detective to tell Kay that she was hindering the case. He could have handled it with more tenacity! He probably did not know the answer to some of the questions or had not thought about investigating those things! Who knows!

I think the question list was an excellent list. I knew he would not be able to divulge all of the answers to Kay. But as someone up-thread stated, it was a list intended for the detective to make sure no stone was left unturned (not verbatim at all; but the jest of it).

It is my understanding that some (not all) LE do read certain blogs to deem info in certain cases.

Regarding my cousin . . . for 3 days we thought a murderer was on the loose and was shocked when we were told there are two dead people. It was a murder – suicide. During the first couple of weeks of the investigation, I’d tell my cousin that Det. so and so needs to get off his butt and go investigate blah, blah, blah.

I documented all phone conversations including the date, time, etc. When I got a copy of the official police report (a very long one), I was amazed at the tremendous job the Det. and his team did. Gosh, I really felt bad. I never was rude or aggressive with the lead investigator (detective). It is not my style! After I reviewed the police report and checked my notes, I did call the det. and thanked him and his team for the excellent investigation. I feel like this detective is a friend now.

This happened in a major metroplex area where murders are an everyday thing. The det. got several new cases during that time. In spite of the circumstances, it was a pleasure working with the detective. I respected his time and did not “bug” him so we developed a rapport. My first cousin was a little more aggressive regarding info on the case and the detective told me he is getting irritated and is at the point he may not accept my cousin’s phone calls. He said he is under no obligation to keep us abreast until this case is concluded. So, in a nice way, I told my cousin “to cool his boots”!

What are your thoughts if someone would make a list of the media contacts and post it here? All of the contacts in one place? I was not involved in any of that earlier. Do you think one of the posters might have a list of all of the media contacts? I think it would be effective to have all the contacts listed in one comment box. Like Ellejay compiled the question list. What an awesome job! MLR, what do you think? Others, what do you think?

Need to run. I have to have something completed by 4 p.m. and ready to e-mail. I’ll try to check back here later this evening.

There are some awesome folks on this site. Maybe Val and some of the pros here will come up with a new plan of action and point all of us in the right direction so we are all on the “same page” in our efforts! Later ~ ~ ~

Hi .. Just looking to see if there are any updates … Being a Mom and Grandmom I really hope that this family gets a break on this case sooner than later .

Marica, he even told me it would sound rude that he could not and would not share with me and that the more I share here the less he will share with me. It was like I was being told shut up and MAYBE if I feel you have suffered enough then I will give you answers.
He did say I was doing an awesome job as a mom in getting the faces of the kids & Eric, out but he does not want to hear that I think Eric is not living. Just that he has now been missing for 105 days…..I don’t think he can fathom what it feels like not to hear your childs voice for that long. And Then for Karen to say that Eric hated me and never wanted to talk to me anyway, well that is just as cruel as it can be.
so I will try to be a good girl and then maybe he will feel he can trust me enough to tell me what he has learned about MY SON, that unless it was out here on the meter no one would have taken notice of him being gone. It took almost 3 months for them to release a press release that even in his words was ‘very generic”. if more information had been given like why the Police wanted to find him I would not have felt like I neededto reach out to the media.

Right now all I want from the media is to put out Eric’s photo, list him as missing and endangered under suspicious circumstances and anyone with information can contact the Reno Police Department or Nevada Secret Witness at 775-322-4900 or at secretwitness.com

The following and above is from Det. Myers to me in an email. The following is somethng I did not know and wanted to share with all.

Murder is a word that is thrown around in our common language that really means something very different to people in my line of work. Murder has several levels in Nevada and does not include accidental killing, self defense, or justifiable circumstances. Homicide which most people think is synonymous with murder is actually the all encompassing word for a person being killed at the hands of another. Because such hot button words can mean so many things to so many people is why I would prefer us not to use them at all until we can prove one way or another that this case fits into one of those categories.

……. talking about when it comes to writing and understanding a search warrant affidavit. In Oregon, much the same as Nevada, you have to articulate a specific crime that has been committed and how evidence of that specific crime is in the place you want to search. The detectives in Oregon found a crime in their jurisdiction that was plausible and used that to write and obtain the search warrant. They weren’t thinking murder, they were open to any and everything they might find out but were forced to pick a specific crime that fit the circumstances.

Kay…

As the mother of a son (22), a daughter (20) and another daughter (2)…my heart aches for you. I am praying that your son comes home to you soon.

Whatever happens, you know in your heart that your son loves you!!!! Don’t let anyone sway you away from that basic truth. Eric loves his mother…period…

> I want you to continue to reach out to anyone who will listen and keep
> Eric
> s name and picture in the forefront of their minds. How you do it can
> either help make or help break this case.
>
> Please keep posting on the hinky meter but post the fact that Eric has
> been
> gone for 105 days and he has still not contacted anyone in the family,
> that
> it is so out of the norm for him that it is suspicious.
>
> Post that he has ties to many places and name them specifically, and ask
> people in those areas to keep an eye out for him.

He has lived in Phnx, AZ, Farmington, Aztec and Bloomfield, NM.. Albuquerque, NM , Vancuover, WA with dad in the summers. He lived summers in Palmdale, CA again with his dad. He kept in touch a lot with Shantelll his cousin in Valencia,CA, that was where we, shantell and I both thought he would go to her or to the step-sisters Nicole and Cara in WA. When he did not that is when we all really freaked out he should have been at either home within days that is why I started trying to report him missing on the 26th or 27th of April it then took me three weeks to get the substation close to Red Baron Blvd. Then 2 more months to get the press release out, this is where our impatience is coming from. His face would have been out the first day if he would have been a 29 yr old mother of two that just vanished from the face of the earth after walking away from her home leaving her transportation behind. Or at least that is how we his family feel. We are so frustrated with the pace which this case has taken.

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This makes me hopeful, it came off of the totalruckus.com site look at how many people have viewed the site at Eric’s part of it!!! wow these guys over there are really as great as Eric said they are. He always said they were an unorthadox bunch of people but all with big hearts and very intelegent people.

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7559 veiws I just can’t get over that!!!!

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» Kay, Eric’s MOM,

I don’t want to believe that Eric is gone forever, and I won’t use the term the detective wishes us to avoid. Something has happened to Eric, which is preventing him from contacting his family. I strongly suspect that Kristi, Tim, and their Mother know what has taken place, and are not giving anyone the facts. IF in fact, Eric chose to vanish of his accord, then there is no reason for Kristi and her family to remain silent.
I and others here will continue having questions and waiting for answers.
Maybe a better way to put it is, we will continue to brainstorm and offer our thoughts and suggestions. If this is considered to be interference with the investigation, then I hope the detective will take the time to visit this thread and tell us what we need to do.
Check in every day, several times a day with hope Eric has been found.
No matter why he is under the radar, I am sure he knows our search for him is out of concern for him and his family.

as i have said many many times before and i say it again,I DO NOT KNOW what has happened to eric period…

I can’t speak for anyone else, Karen. But as for me, I believe you. I have always believed that you do not know where Eric is or what has happened to him.

thank you for saying that, because it’s true, and another thing. i am not now and nor have i been giving money to kristi to help her stay on the run. the only thing i have done was paid the pod rent one month and now she doesn’t have that anymore.

I do not believe KAREN knows where Eric is or even what has happened to him. I only know that Kristi and Tim remain silent on this subject,at least to us and probebley her mom. I pray each day that our grand babies are safe, warm and fed with the good food they are used to. I pray each day that Kristi will bring them to Karen wher they will recieve unconditional love from both sets of grandparents. I pray that this nightmare comes to a end one way or another. As I have always maintained I WANT MY BOY HOME!!! This family deserves closure, peace of mind as to where he is, is he warm, fed, does he have a place to lay his head? No matter what anyone else thinks he is still my little boy, look at the picture up thread with his Beast Cat, That is the boy that I see in my dreams the one that snuggled with me and would tell me he would be with me forever, The one that smelled of soap and water and a hint of dirt from how hard he played. my precious baby boy who is all alone now. I miss my boy.

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Hi Kay, Val and all. The Hardlinemarxist did a great article on Eric. Please check it out.

http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/the-disappearance-of-the-disappearance-of-eric-

I added this link in case the one above was linked to the feed. This one looks better (I hope).

Good job peedofffinny! great article! Kay, keep your spirits up xoxo

Kay, Karen may not know the truth, but I am confident she has been told something which she believes to be fact, and something she feels she must keep from you and and others in order to “protect” her daughter.( Say for example, she has been told Eric was involved in something that would put wife and kids at risk, and he did the vanishing act and told her to take the kids and do the same). I DO NOT BELIEVE this to be the case, but feel that Karen has been told something that she believes to be true, and believes she must remain silent, or if saying anything she must give false info.

Kay, I would venture to guess there isn’t a single Mother here who wouldn’t feel exactly as you do about your son. I have told people about my “boys”… They are all grown men in the 40′s now, but they are MY BOYS, and although I am very proud of the men they have become, (in spite of some really rough detours two of them have taken in life) they remain my little boys in my heart. I see them much like we see the photo of Eric and his cat. Sweet and innocent. I can still see my youngest at age 4 with a hammer in hand knocking out the head lights on my Mom’s 59 Chevy. I can still see my middle son at age 7 hiding under my Mom’s bed after being given a flat top hair cut, and telling me he wasn’t coming out until his hair grew back. I can still see and hear my oldest at 4 when he told my Dad he had no plans to start school the next year, that he was going to college. My boys, always and forever. Yes, there were brushes with the law, drugs and booze, and I wondered if they would ever grow up. They have, and for the most part I don’t talk about those bad times because they have become responsible men, married with children and two have grand children, so their past faults have been set aside.
I see Eric as a man who has overcome some of the same issues of youth most young men have. I see Eric as Momma’s boy, whether he wants to think so or not, because bottom line, all boy’s are Momma’s boys no matter what. It is a Mother’s right to feel this way.
Kay, don’t ever let what other’s might think bring you down, and KNOW, the Mom’s here at Hinky Meter feel just as you do.

Message sent with Many many Loving Prayers
Marica

Kay, Just read again the message from the detective about wording and the many meanings to different people. Please, if the opportunity arises, thank the detective
for this explanation. I t is very helpful to me, as I am sure it to others here.
Thank You again for sharing this.

I’m not sure I agree that Karen has been told something (implication being about Eric) that she is not telling others. While Karen probably has talked to Kristi more than she may want to share (not certain of that either), I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe Kristi has told her where Eric is, or what happened to him.

I think right now what will be most helpful for us to do is to continue to pass out the flyers, continue to just spread the word about Eric and the children to assist in getting people looking for them, or stepping up if they know something. And let the detectives (who are in multiple locations) continue to work this case.

The pressure is starting to get to Kay and she needs to be taken off the hook for now and allowed to rest and prayer that this nightmare will be resolved soon. So I am going to close this thread. I will start a new thread when there are updates to Eric’s case. For now I would like us to give Kay time to heal from her surgery and work behind the scenes with the detectives to find her son.

Let’s keep Eric’s name alive for Kay!