Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 9
The old thread is beginning to load much too slow, so I thought I would create a new one for random discussions on the Casey Anthony case. You may read the old thread here.
Valhall.
Related posts:
- Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 7
- Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 2
- Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 5
- Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 4
- Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 3
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Orlando Sentinel is saying
Defense not happy because Judge called an Marinade Dave when he was sick. They want Judge disqualified.
Hi Val,
I read this site throughout my workday but don’t post often. I’ve read where some one said we should send Casey pictures of her fav food. Well, I just sent Casey color pictures of tacos,quesadillas,chili,egg rolls, chinese food,salmon patties,chicken caesar salad,bowl of black olives, bacon,eggs, toast & potatoes & white pizza. I wrote a little note: “Knowing that you are a sociopath and can only feel your own pain I thought I’d send you a picture of some of your favorite foods that YOU’LL NEVER EAT AGAIN!”
For some reason it felt very good to think I may cause her discomfort.
Thanks Val again for this incredible site!
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!
» Ishouldbe working said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:21 }
Wow, interesting bit to start a new thread. Isn’t the judge allowed to read everything and have friendships with anyone he likes? It is not as if Marinade Dave is a member of the prosecution team. How much influence do they think MD has?
Ah, another outside person wreaking havoc with this case by virtue of getting in too close.
» Patti said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:37 }
Doesn’t Baez play interference with the letters anyway? You ended up probably sending them to him.
Wow…I’m just thinking. If he isn’t disqualified for this the defense will come back and try it again on the grounds that the Judge now has a bone to pick with the defense team for trying to get him disqualified.
I mean…really. Judge S has been more than fair and damn patient with that goof ball Baez….and DONT get me started on MD! Don’t even want to go there.
In addition to what i said above and after reading all the latest posts i have 2 new thoughts.
1). Regarding the letters between the inmates i would think the reasoning behind her allegations regarding molestation was to gain sympothy from another inmate. I would think that while behind bars for any length of time you need companionship or some kind of alliance. My guess is that alliances/friendship are formed under the pretence of similar criminal activity but since her 2 pen-pals have nothing in common why not fabricate a story so that she can feed of their sympathy. Maybe that is the reason her new found friend saved the letters because she could see through the B.S???
2). This is actually a question for all the legal experts out there. Do you perhaps think that the defense would purposely “screw-up” the case so that an appeals would be easier to get?
» Ishouldbe working said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:49 }
Well now the prosecution should subpoena his internet records to determine if the defense, or anyone acting as an agent for the defense posted on that site. I never have, so I don’t know what typical comments are like.
Kathi Belich interviewed Maya Derkovic. She described how Casey would drug Caylee. Interesting, but who knows whether it can come into evidence. Probably not, but still makes you wonder how much (if anything) Casey shared in jail with other inmates. Here’s the link if you want to read it:
http://www.wftv.com/news/23175967/detail.html
Here are my thoughts on the latest motion:
1. Judge Strickland WILL recuse himself.
2. It’s a crying shame that people can’t put their egos second to discretion. This act of kindness by Judge Strickland should have never have been discussed. And let’s be straight, Judge Strickland isn’t having to recuse himself because he checked on someone’s health, he’s having to recuse himself because the allegation has been made of bias…based on information the defense was told. His hands are tied.
It’s just a crying shame. Oh well…onward and downward…as is par for this case.
I don’t know why they would want the judge disqualified, they could end up with someone very harsh. I guess they really don’t want him out, but are setting up another public statement of “woe is me” and of course for appeals. But how on earth would you ever get an appeal that way? The state is going to be up there saying much worse things about Casey Anthony, before this is over, than whatever MD said on his blog. This is crazy.
It would be interesting to see a different judge with less patience and tolerance of defense shennagans . Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Also, this demonstrates clearly how the defense will waste the taxpayers money. You have a capital case, but who are you interviewing, a blogger with really little to no impact? Geez Louise…
Oh well, where is everyone? I am talking to myself, so I guess I’ll run.
Sorry Val
I hadn’t seen your post.
Good to see you on here live.
» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:26 }
And I agree with your well though out post.
BTW, is there a way to donate to the site without getting stuff?
AND you know what’s next???
Yepper…the defense is going to want to pick their own judge. They are going to want to bring him from another state. OMG.
Vall, You have taken the words right out of my mouth. Never been discussed. I thought that when all the chatter was going about.
I asked Silver back when Judge Strickland talked to Marinade Dave in court, wouldn’t this disqualify him. She answered back on Blink that no it would not. The judge had a right to read and keep abreast.
It’s in the Blink archives. However, Val points out now that the judge has been pointed at as biased…things might change.
As Grandpa says, sometimes you bite off more than you can chew (meaning Biaz asking for Judge S to step down)…….
My thoughts are this. Judge Strickland might know one of the prosecutors on a personal basis and called them to wish them a speedy recovery….would that show that he is biased. Or if he called Bill Schaeffer, or Richard Hornsby….does that mean he is biased?
Where you at Silver……we need you! Smiles!
Any apology for revealing this call posted yet? Or on the subject?
Was there ever a post on being questioned by the defense? I certainly would wonder why I was being questioned.
» Shelly said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:38 }
Yes, I remember that post with Silver.
It also seemed as though the judge knew Cheney Mason. I don’t know how personally, but….
The Orlando Sentinel reported that the blogger was quesioned by a P.I. working for the defense earlier this month, and he told the investigator that Judge Strickland told him at the bench, “what a great blog I have.” It also said in the article that at some point, Judge Strickland learned the blogger was ill and he called to express his “personal concern” for the man’s well-being , according to the motion.
I’m thinking the blogger may have told the P.I. working for the defense that Judge Strickland called him.
Following is a link to the article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-judge-disqualify-20100416,0,174631.story
» inquisitive said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 05:04:01 }
YES
Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:26 }
I agree completely. And the defense is going to regret the day they put this motion forth. I hope they get the biggest badass Judge ever to sit on the bench. The fun and games will be over because they’ll never get a fairer person to hear their case.
Enjoy the rest of your life, Judge Strickland. You deserve a break.
I am a bit surprised to hear about the phone call though. I thought Strickland would’ve been mortified at the way his side comment to MD in court was played out on that blog. That was an embarrassment.
But if he did call Dave then I don’t know what all.
HEY JENNY
Good comments as usual. Sorry about the caps lock.
Maybe Strickland subconsciously wants out of this mess.
WSH,
I got Casey’s address on this site to mail it to:
Casey Marie Anthony
08049710 F-DormL-22
PO Box 4970
Orlando, FL 32802-4970
lol Westside. You can cap me anytime. *mwah*
» Patti said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 05:04:11 }
Yeah, but Baez said that he reads/screens all of Casey’s mail first, I guess so that she doesn’t get negative stuff, not sure if it is true , or not.
This is very sad. I hope Strickland steps down now. And I hope , as I said up thread, that the JAC takes note of where the defense focuses its energy and resources, that will of course, come out of tax payer money.
From the Sentinel… “Casey Anthony’s defense team is asking that the judge in the murder case against her be disqualified because he has developed a “personal relationship” with a blogger who does not like Anthony.”
With all due respect- wouldn’t that disqualify ANY judge in the western world? This case is known internationally and I doubt any judge could say that they don’t have a friend who doesn’t like Casey. Maybe they don’t blog, but come on… if you review Judge Strickland’s conduct- he has ruled fairly and has been MORE than accomodating to the defense. By trying to get him off the case, I think that they will ultimately shoot themselves in the foot. What judge is going to be better than him?!
The Judge’s early comment that Ms. Anthony and the truth are strangers is much more concerning than speaking with MD. Not sure, but I had the impression that guy was/is pro-Anthony. T D.ef. is grasping at straws. No grounds for recusal. At ease.
Val, First off I would like proof that any phone calls exist. I dont believe that. Secondly only two people know what was discussed between Strickland and MD in that courtroom. I find it HIGHLY doubtful…all of it. I thought it was a very stupid move to blog about a private conversation with a Judge to begin with, but some people put their ego before their brain. I hope you are wrong about Strickland recusing himself, simply because so many have insinuated themselves in this case, with no backup proof and a twisting of the facts as they exist. I would love to know how the ” investigator” presented himself …as a news reporter or as part of the defense team. I hope there are ramifications if this proves to be all nonsense. If not, Judge Strickland SHOULD remove himself as perhaps he has a brain tumor or common sense virus for jeopardizing all his hard work for what…
Well I don’t like the Judge’s taste in blogs and I cringed when I heard he singled MD out in Court, mainly because it was WEIRD — but I don’t know the legalities. I guess he could be forced to recuse himself for having bad taste but that’s about all I think he’s done wrong.
So if Judge S’s wife doesn’t like Casey then he has to recuse himself because of her? If his relatives don’t like Casey then he has to recuse himself? I would think that the judge has all kinds of friends that don’t like Casey…what is the big deal. So he alledgedly made a phone call to an ill man….can he not call people to tell them to get well? Does Judge S not speak to the press? Would he not call Kathi B if she were sick? I know MD isn’t the press…but maybe Judge S just likes him. IMO tho, MD has gotten way too involved in this. But that is his choice and right. He has been interviewed by LE and now you say a PI? Oh well, he may have bit off more than he can chew.
*I meant that I got the impression that MD is pro-Anthony NOT Hizzoner. Whatever his exchange with MD does not effect his capacity to remain impartial – just as he’s been trained to do.
azrenee said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 05:04:03 }
I agree with your comment 1000%, I say lets wait and see if the call was ever made in the first place.
» EDRN said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 05:04:15 }
Good points
I would think that the judge reads a lot of the blogs. Dave Knechel just happens to be local so the opportunity was there. I do post at Dave’s occasionally when things calm down and some random Casey apologist who doesn’t have their facts straight is given a little too much screen time.
In between the blog wars Dave posts some good articles and videos. He’ll be getting all kinds of attention (good and bad) now.
Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:26 }
Val, I knew this day would come… it could be good because I doubt that the defense will find another Judge as patient as Judge Strickland and I do hope it will backfire on them big time. I just hope it won’t cause any more delays it has. In my opinion this is just one more of “delay tactics” of KC’s defense. Shame.
MD is sort of famous down in Orlando I think. And he won some kind of Blogger award. And he tries to go to every hearing. I don’t think the judge will have to recuse himself if he didn’t discuss the case with MD.
I am sure even Baez has friends who dislike the Anthony family. His new partner had negative things to say about the case last year. He could quit.
It will be interesting to see what happens. When are all of these lovely motions going to be heard? Have they been scheduled?
P.S. Here in Cleveland our mass murderer Anthony Sowell is trying to get the judge recused, stating she has a bias against his lawyer. I think that is a pretty standard accusation.
» lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 05:04:09 }
lily
I was scared away from that site after all of the extreme drama on Shaeffer’s site. I thought all of that could have been ignored and it would have ended sooner.
I guess, from what people say, he may be fair on issues. I didn’t like the “ghetto comments” about the twins, but to each his own.
I’m thinking this is a big ole’ waste of time, energy and money.
Wow…a lot happens in 1 1/2 hours!
As much as I like Judge Strickland, I have to agree with Val that due to public perception that he is chummy with a NLMB (“no life maggot blogger”
, he will likely have no choice but to recuse himself. This is a big loss for BOTH sides, IMO. They are really rolling the dice with a new judge, bu then hey– the defense has nothing more to lose because they are in an awful position now.
As much as I respect Judge Strickland, I think he goofed big time on this one. With his experience, he certainly should have been aware that ANY contact with a personality like MD was NOT a good way to give the perception of impartiality. Judge S. should have stayed far, far away from MD.
And yes…MD should have kept to himself– not exchanged ANY pleasantries with the Judge, and NOT blogged about anything they said. Collossally bad judgement that will now bring a new judge on board.
Don’t take your eyes off this circus– just when you think all the clowns are out of the little car, a few more pop out. And never be distracted by the BIG ELEPHANT
KZ….you made me laugh…clowns, cars and elephants. You are so right!
» EDRN said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 05:04:43 }
I’m thinking this is a big ole’ waste of time, energy and money.
Well it was about $ 40 plus court costs and copies etc of tax payer money.
Indigent rates:
Investigators – Per Hour $37.86 $30 – $50
One thing I have (ok maybe a couple of things) to say.
Judge Strickland is the one who called Dave over to talk to him. Now, what would anyone else have done under those circumstances? Apparently the Judge didn’t say – please do not write about what we talk about. Think about it. If you were in that position what would you do?
With all of that said – and understanding that Val doesn’t like us to talk about other blogs here – I will say that there are a lot of comments and posts that are so over the top that they have run me off for long periods of time as well.
And OMG they’re talking about Marinade Dave on Jane Velez Mitchell. No f’n way.
that’s $40 too much IMO.
Wonder if Nancy Grace will cover Marinade too? Dang I hate that show but I guess I’ll be tuned in tonight. Doesn’t she usually take Friday’s off? Probably not with all of the stuff going on with Haleigh’s case.
» Patti said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:37 }
Way to go, food porn for Casey!!!!
I hope the investigator was pre-approved. The rules clearly state NO retroactive payments will be made. oy vey.
My jaws have dropped! The defense wanted Strickland off this case and they saw an opportunity. Remember folks in one of Cindy’s interviews, she said she had heard about Strickland and how tough and “no nonsense” he was. This is not good.
JustWannaDance said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 06:04:57 }
(Let’s try this again)…
Val!!!! I think you’re mentioned in this motion to remove Strickland!!! Page 6, of the motion Marinade Dave is quoted as saying,
“A lot of them are, I mean a lot of them are … like there’s another blogger with a lot of scientific … from that kind of standpoint, and uh, she’s really good …”
It’s just gotta be you, girl! You’ve made it into a Motion! You can take a bow, now, while the rest of us applaud.
It’s not about the content of MD’s blog I’m betting (even though the motion might point to certain posts) — because MD seems to really LIKE the Anthony family, the parents in particular.
The defense would have more to play with if it had been any other reasonable blog discussing the case and the players. Excluding blogs like “caylee is alive!” and such.
I guess the defense is just reaching toward the seeming impropriety however lame that argument would be legally.
I think Strickland should take this opportunity to go.
“A lot of them are, I mean a lot of them are … like there’s another blogger with a lot of scientific … from that kind of standpoint, and uh, she’s really good …”
Too funny JWD! Of course it’s Val! She’s got a lot of scientific uh… and stuff. lol.
Another example of the influence of the media on this trial. Forgive them for they know not what they do – - who?–Baez certainly does and it would apprear that M Dave does, too. An egotists’s quest for recognition. An ambitious attempt to springboard into good fortune. Forget them? yes. Forgive them? no.
I agree Chat. It’s nauseating. Can no one see one inch in front of their face? Ego. So much ego.
I sincerely hope that Judge Strickland will not have to recuse himself. We all remember the day he called Marinade Dave over to the bench to talk to him. Now it’s being reported that he called Dave on the phone when he heard Dave was sick.
Oh my God… I hope that Judge Strickland can reply to Baez’ motion quickly and hopefully not have to leave this case. But what was he thinking … contacting a blogger who’s main focus is this case????
According to one of JVM’s “fantastic panel” (sorry), it doesn’t take a lot in the state of Florida to get a judge to recuse himself. Heaven help us. Mike Brooks said if he does take himself off this case, it will push the trial back a lot farther than May of next year.
Why does all this crap happen? Strickland, in my opinion, is the best thing this case has going for it.
Well the motion also includes “the truth and Ms Anthony are strangers” staement, and the fact that Strickland filed a bar complaint against Baez based on “hearsay”.
Well, this confirm my suspicions that Lyon’s students read blogs… well, I don’t know why? Is there anything they want to learn from the blogs? Don’t they (defense) have anything else more important to do. Geez.
» ChicagoJudy said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 06:04:18 } Mike Brooks said if he does take himself off this case, it will push the trial back a lot farther than May of next year.
Well it does give Casey Anthony more time to find new pen pals and chat it up with the girls on the floor.
Casey Anthony’s defense filed a motion Friday to have Judge Stan Strickland removed from the case.
Jose Baez claims that Strickland should be removed because he has had contact with a blogger, who covers the Casey case, named Dave Knechel, otherwise known as Marinade Dave.
The blogger claims he told defense investigators on April 11 that he received a phone call from Judge Strickland when Knechel was sick, wishing him well.
Casey’s defense team claims Knechel developed a personal relationship with Strickland.
This really is a shame and I hope that JS will not be removed from the case.
Silver,
I wish you could tell us what it is going to happen now with Judge Strickland after the defense filed the Motion to Disqualify JS. What’s your take on this Motion?
Please and thank you!!!
Justwannadance,
I don’t think this is something for which I want to take a bow. Consider the context.
I think the key word in the motion is “fair”. Dave says nothing much beyond Judge Strickland’s assessment of him as being “fair”; and I seriously doubt, though I could be wrong, but that for self recusal, Strickland would not be required to leave the bench, in this case, because he made no assessment nor did he voice any opinion of the case or Casey, but merely Dave’s blog and Dave’s non-bais.
But then, when one considers the Defense will likely appeal, Strickland might find it the best to excuse himself now.
Let’s hope not.
X the, the. I’m trying not to be too wordy, and deleted text.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23176762/detail.html
OMG, I cannot even believe this! I cannot believe the taped recording from a PI even!
From my interpretation of what is stated as case facts, this does indicate as Val says, Judge S has no recourse but to step down from the case. OMG.
Sad, very sad. Judge S has the highest rating from what I understand and now he see’s this thrown in his face from….
I’ll hush while I am ahead, but someone tell me this is not true…sighs
I cant wait to see Silver’s explanation for us. But, I can bet she would say anyone near the case proceedings learn to “KTFMS”….
» Shelly said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:38 }
I asked Silver back when Judge Strickland talked to Marinade Dave in court, wouldn’t this disqualify him. She answered back on Blink that no it would not. The judge had a right to read and keep abreast.
It’s in the Blink archives. However, Val points out now that the judge has been pointed at as biased…things might change.
As Grandpa says, sometimes you bite off more than you can chew (meaning Biaz asking for Judge S to step down)…….
My thoughts are this. Judge Strickland might know one of the prosecutors on a personal basis and called them to wish them a speedy recovery….would that show that he is biased. Or if he called Bill Schaeffer, or Richard Hornsby….does that mean he is biased?
Where you at Silver……we need you! Smiles!
*****
Way back when… the judge having been forthright re: skimming websites was not an issue.
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He expressed NO BIAS toward the prosecution or defense at that time.
IF the judge has befriended a blogger who frequently writes about the case –no matter what the alleged bias of that blogger/site may be?
The judge has made himself susceptible to allegations of the “appearance of partiality”.
I have been very concerned about such allegations against Strickland ever since–MONTHS ago– this “Marinade Dave” posted that the judge called him over and made some sort of favorable comments to him about his “coverage” of this case.
I would never want a judge who actually did such a thing on ANY case.
I chalked it up to “Marinade Dave”‘s own, personal issues. (The guy clearly has some, IMO.) (He PRETENDS to have specialized legal knowledge–as in, have a law degree and experience practicing law– which he clearly does not. He is sadly not alone in the blog world on this case.)
The REALITY is that the APPEARANCE of IMPARTIALITY is KEY to JUSTICE in a FREE society, such as our own.
IF–and I mean that–
IF.. there is PROOF that Strickland had any communications which could even be fairly interpreted as “biased”?
He needs to recuse himself.
JustWannaDance said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 06:04:26 }
Only thing is, the Judge did call him over in court to tell him he was “fair”. Which I think was bizarre. It’s on tape, no denying it. And if he called him after all the hoopla MD raised on his blog about the Judge liking him (geez) where is Strickland’s sense meter?
I dunno.
Val,
AWWW! I am considering the context, and the source! The Mighty D paid you a compliment, even in his stammering inability to think of one single derrogatory thing to say!
Yeah Jenny
I think he is gone. As Silver said the appearance is the problem.
OK Shelly, I give….what is KTFMS?
The defense is probably more upset about the “Miss Anthony and the truth are strangers” bit but now they think they have something with more bite, so to speak. I’m sure they’ve been wanting JS off the case since day 1.
WSH -
Damn! I was so pizzed when that happened in court and then when I read MD’s silly egotistical big-mouth post about it I really did feel embarrassed for the Judge. If he DID continue some kind of communication with MD then I’m in the WSH and Silver camp.
Even though it will set the trial date back (how much… Silver?) it could all be for the best. I’m not worried as the strangest things have taken place in this case and the next Judge couldn’t possibly be more kind and fair to everyone involved. Like I said before, I hope they get a real hard-azz who will set some rules and stick to them.
Like no friggin’ gum chewing, for starters. And none of this “the dog ate my homework yer honor” stuff can be tolerated.
All this time I was happy that Judge Strickland was sitting on the sidelines… but now he’s dead center in the middle of this three-ring circus. Too too bad.
No kidding, Darnudes. I like him too. I refuse to read the letters again, but I remember Casey talking about Judge S not wanting her to be fully shackled in court. I was under the impression she liked him too. He really did appear to be a fair judge and he was so easy to watch and listen to unlike some annoying judges on other high profile cases in the past.
I hope this doesn’t delay the trial. I really want Casey to be declared not guilty ASAP. I want to attend her RV traveling salvation show. And, I can’t wait to see what hair color she goes with. I hope she goes with the blond.
Well, it will be most interesting to see who replaces Strickland on the bench, as well as it will be interesting to watch the defense tout those new feathers in their hats — which won’t, and not by any stretch of the imagination, change the facts at hand, so regardless of which judge tries the case, it isn’t likely to change the outcome.
Silverspnr,
The comment by the judge to request that a bailiff get MD’s attention because he wanted to speak to him, was caught on the still-running, video/audio of the courtroom camera.
The hearing, IIRC, was the same one after which Joy Wray, in her purple hair, purple satin blouse and bright red lipstick, made her ‘I’m a witness for Caylee’ debut. So that should make the hearing easy to find.
Because the defense tried previously to require Judge Strickland to recuse himself, the defense has it’s own, perhaps unspoken, reasons for this judge to be replaced. Could it be Judge Strickland’s clear position on the first amendment issues that may favor the release of certain materials into evidence, such as the video of Casey’s reaction when she learned of an unknown child’s body found near her home?
And other similar evidence issue, jailhouse videos of family visits, the jail letters, the audio recordings of Casey’s telephone call, Casey’s call to 911 to demand help from the police to attend the Anthony home because of protestors outside.
The defense might feel for other reasons, that replacing this judge is a strategic advantage. (I’m not minimizing the MD issue, just think it might be an advantage for other reasons, as Cindy said in the fall of 2008, Judge Strickland has a reputation of being a hard ass, re: the 500,000 bond for no real charges against her daughter).
Silverspnr said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 06:04:05 }
OMG Silver, that’s sad but if you say so. I just hope they get a stricter Judge and defense may regret it. I really like Judge Strickland he was more than fair to KC.
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Silver,
Does it mean more delays to the case? Why did JB waited so long to file this Motion?
» WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:10 }
Doesn’t Baez play interference with the letters anyway? You ended up probably sending them to him.
…going back to when lee was ‘educating” kc in one of the 1st jail visits:
..he told her not to give letters “through” baez, b/c he would decide if it was in “his” or kc’s best interest, blah blah…
..he went on to say——–use the regular “jail mail system”.
..so, i suppose, jail personnel does read them 1st—-probably redacts anything they feel they should—-and then kc gets the letters.
We don’t know what Judge Strickland ACTUALLY said to this “Marinade Dave”.
Put it this way:
I wouldn’t take “Marinade Dave”‘s “word” against the Honorable Stan Strickland.
Problem is: even the APPEARANCE of “impropriety”/”partiality” serves as grounds to have a judge recuse him/herself from a case.
Pathetic doesn’t even begin to describe this situation.
How about MORE TAX DOLLARS being set on fire– for some guy’s EGO.
Court hearing 16 Oct 2009
JS to MD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKWIO_luem4&feature=related
Sorry, should post a shout out to sierra/patty from WS for uploading all the videos
Makes it very easy to track them down when needed.
Silverspnr said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:19 }
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How about MORE TAX DOLLARS being set on fire– for some guy’s EGO.
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Amen Silver!!!!!
Justwannadance,
With all due respect, the derogatory remarks would be in the part left out under [off topic]. Keep in mind that the motion with be a “stacked deck” of portions of the interview to support their claim that Judge Strickland has proffered an opinion of agreeing with (or thinking him fair) to a blogger they are presenting as “anti-Casey”. They darned sure aren’t going to include any negative statements Dave may have made about my blog if they pointed toward me being HARSHER on Casey.
I’m not saying that’s what the excluded content is – but I’m saying I don’t think it logical to assume it’s not.
Maybe I watch too much Law & Order and hopefully Silver can answer this question. From the shows that I’ve watched, when an attorney files a motion for a judge to recuse himself, that generally turns into a bad thing for that attorney. It usually ends up that that particlar judge and others will pretty much make the attorney’s life as miserable as possible that attorney appears before them in court. I don’t think people (judges and other attorneys) look too kindly on an attorney who files a motion like this. Is that true? Or is that just how it is on TV?
If the Judge doesn’t go is this an attempt to intimidate him into giving kinder, gentler rulings on future motions? So he doesn’t appear to be “angry” with the defense for slams against his character in this one?
None of this is good.
So Dave just chirped, chirped, chirped to the defense investigator. Gah.
I am not saying the judge WILL recuse himself.
I am saying that IF the judge did something which can FAIRLY be described as UNDERMINING the “APPEARANCE OF IMPARTIALITY”, the judge SHOULD recuse himself.
We are so far off til the current schedule for trial that even a recusal of/by the judge should not cause a delay.
I would like to point out that MD has also said he had lunch with the SA, the defense and the Judge at Waffle House no less.
Not sure i should post the link though.
So I really wonder if the phone ever happened, as the lunch seems absurd to me.
according to this video they are saying it’s possible if Strickland is recused off this case that some and maybe alot of his decisions will be thrown out!! becouse of bias if this happens this trial will never happen next yr or the next
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/23177625/index.html
I remember going to Dave’s blog the night of that hearing (or maybe it was the next day) because everyone heard the judge ask for him. He posted that he was very proud of the fact that the judge knew him; that the judge told him he thought Dave’s posts about the case were fair; and that he would not post anything else that they talked about. I’m not a regular on Dave’s blog, but I’ve never heard that he ever mentioned the particulars of his conversation with Strickland again.
So, could that little bit that he blogged about be used against the Judge?
Jose, filed this and all other motions always at 5:00 on a Friday…. Just so he can watch the blogs, and have the news hipe it up all weekend long. I hope Judge Strickland, did not go out of bounds with this. These clowns are not going to win this case. Again
“casey and the truth are strangers”
Silver: “I am not saying the judge WILL recuse himself.”
That’s understood!
Silverspnr said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:41 }
Thank you very much!!!
We will have to wait and see.
Thanks bunches for explaining this Silver. Sheesh, this really po’s me that a good man like Judge S has to take a hit for being a nice guy.
From my reading of the motion it does appear from their presentation that the appearance of impartiality has been questioned. Sighs.
KYFMS= Keep your freaking mouths shut….wink.
If your racing this weekend, Silver, win one for the home team!
On a side note and just a thought what the hey they going to do to get another judge on this case…..impound his/her computers and check to see who read the less blogs….sheesh.
Well, at least this motion is professionally done. That in itself is an improvement. Evidently “for all intents and purposes” Baez has given over the motion filing to his new partner. No more “my defense was clueless” appeal possibilities.
There are even references to case files and what-not.
JMO it could go either way.
I don’t know, if he recuses himself , then he looks bad, kind of like admitting ” I’m partial”. If he doesn’t and is removed by another court, he looks bad. And if he stays on will it be a real strong reason for an appeal?
It is a big hot mess wrapped in a bag of dog feces. He can’t win, can he?
I guess I just can’t see Strickland making such a serious blunder. Surely he knew what the reprocussions would be, were he to buddy up so to Dave, or even so as to give the appearance of partiality, and it just seems to me that he’d take care not to do anything to cause such an appearance.
Is it true, Silver, that the motions JS has ruled on previously will be null if he’s off the case and the defense will have another shot at all of them with a new Judge?
Valhall can I please ask respectfully that this blog does not turn into hatefest on MD?
I’m not that good at writing thoughts out so please don’t take this wrong way but there are going to be a lot of people out there who are going to take much glee in the goings on today and will be all over the place trying to vent.
I don’t want to see that manifested here as I have too much respect for your home.
WSH -
“It is a big hot mess wrapped in a bag of dog feces. He can’t win, can he?”
I don’t think so.
And yes, it is a hot mess.
Or maybe it’s nothing. Like every other BOMBSHELL in this case. Just a weekend fling and then back to business.
» T2M said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:36 }
I would like to point out that MD has also said he had lunch with the SA, the defense and the Judge at Waffle House no less.
Not sure i should post the link though.
So I really wonder if the phone ever happened, as the lunch seems absurd to me.
Why not post it, it’s part of the case now.
Jennyb …
He sang like a bird, and perhaps highly exaggerated the facts as well. So, how likely is it that we’ll hear anything from Strickland on this?
Darnudes said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:23 }
There’s no hate. We’re simply expressing long-held feelings about the blogger and the Judge and what’s occurred up to this point in time. I see no hate fest.
We are free to post our opinions.
When someone who has a blog is in contact with the judge OR even a WITNESS (or potential witness) and then blogs about the content of that contact– it is WORRISOME.
It didn’t surprise me that certain individuals were talking to bloggers. (Keith Williams, e.g.)
It WOULD surprise me– and it would provide proper cause for concern– if there was evidence that the JUDGE on a MURDER CASE was becoming personally involved with an individual who frequently blogged about that case.
There is no excuse for it.
It is downright IMPROPER.
(Wouldn’t everyone be screaming for Strickland to recuse himself if he was caught expressing concern about the welfare of one of the KFN board members???
WRONG is WRONG.
And yet…
We don’t know what truly took place yet, so let’s reserve judgement until we know all of the facts.
We are not a bunch of haters here. And MD nor the judge have done anything to hated for. Like say, kill a kid and throw her in the swamp.
» Darnudes said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:23 }
Valhall can I please ask respectfully that this blog does not turn into hatefest on MD?
I agree. I think we can discuss it without getting crazy. But I fear the lunatics who have threatened every other person, including the Anthonys and Milsteads will get riled and start making threats. That is not good!
I do not hate MD, myself.
JustWannaDance said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:40 }
I’d think the best thing JS could do, if he plans to stay, is just ignore and stay the course. Can’t imagine him joining the fray. But who knows?
We don’t even really hate Casey. We don’t get her behavior, we try, but she is pretty alien to the norm. We just want justice eventually for her child.
T2M said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:36 }
I get the feeling MD is foolish but not dishonest. I think he’s mighty proud of his association with the judge and other players in the case and everything he says is probably pretty much true. Sigh.
WSH,
I read that, as well. Dave’s hobknobbing at IHOP, but for Pete’s sake, and Silver address this please — I worked under a Public Defender who stood, many times, in the courtroom of a judge who was Godfather to his children! How is that not inappropriate or suggestive of the possibility of bias/partiality but a few comments to a blogger about his fairness is? Silver?
» jennyb said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:20 }
Is it true, Silver, that the motions JS has ruled on previously will be null if he’s off the case and the defense will have another shot at all of them with a new Judge?
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No.
His rulings thus far should stand, absent a showing of impropriety at the time they were rendered.
Could either party move for “reconsideration” of a prior ruling?
Yes, but– GENERALLY SPEAKING– only within a certain time frame of the original ruling.
Darnudes,
Yes, you have my assurance that this will not become a bash-Dave-fest. You also have my assurance that I will not whitewash this situation. I will also not be upset with you if you decide to leave (though I don’t want you to) just because I didn’t whitewash the situation.
Dave caused a major, serious issue.
Dave was not required to speak to that PI. Dave was not required to agree to have a follow-up conversation with Andrea Lyon. Dave was not required to answer any question – when not in a deposition – about his own personal relationships.
I don’t know exactly how you think that ought to all be laid out in a kinder, gentler manner – but that’s the facts.
Follow-up:
Dave was never required to divulge the nature of the first conversation.
Forgot that big one there.
WSH,
I hope I didn’t sound hateful. My apologies if I did.
Thanks SS.
» WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:34 }
Thanks WSH, I have seen a few comments here already and recognise some names from around the traps – some people will have an agenda on this no doubt, that has nothing to do with the motion filed today.
Thank you so much for understand what I was poorly trying to say.
What kind of agenda? We’re not agenda types.
Look- if MD was out to lunch with every single court player in this case, then doesn’t that illustrate his own impartiality? Then by association doesn’t it indicate the judge’s? And perhaps his assessment that MD was being fair? That is why I want to see the link.
If other people were willing to spend their time with MD, especially the defense, in a friendly setting, with no case agenda…then?? Did the defense have any chummy conversations with Dave unrelated to the case, as Strickland did in inquiring about his health? I’ m trying to get a handle on all this.
I really, truly despise the defense and Casey Anthony.
*Deep breath*
However, being philosophical about it…..the defense efforts to try to delay this trial aren’t going to mean that Casey Anthony is going to go home.
She’s going to continue to sit in jail, in limbo, in between innocence and a guilty verdict. She’s not going anywhere.
Her attorneys are going to “win” on a few occasions, because even a broken clock is correct twice a day. But, in the end, there are still 31 days, and no Nanny, and the smell of death in Casey’s car, and the party pictures, and the text messages, and the videos, and on and on and on…..and it all leads right back to Casey Anthony. The defense can’t ask for everything to be excluded, and they can’t change Casey’s own words, and they can’t erase the videos, or write over the text messages, or go back in time and have Casey report Caylee “missing” on June 16.
So, as much as I hope Judge Strickland doesn’t have to leave, I have faith that justice will prevail, some day. And, I believe that, when that guilty verdict is rendered, it will stand the appeals test, because everybody has bent over backwards to ensure that Casey Anthony has been given a fair trial and every possible advantage in her efforts to convince 12 people that the sky isn’t blue and the sun doesn’t rise in the east and set in the west.
WSH,
Bravo! I agree, 100%. If anything, to me, all of this shows impartiality.
Marinade Dave’s “partiality” or “impartiality” is IRRELEVANT.
It is the JUDGE’S behavior that is at issue.
WSH,
You seem to be missing the point here. I mean seriously, you’re missing the point. You’re trying to approach this whole situation as if it is a trial within a trial. It is not.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVE&FILE=$$xa$$busc28.wais&start=546316&SIZE=2438&TYPE=TEXT
There have been many examples given here of why if Judge Strickland said this or that or the other or if Dave thinks Casey is guilty and the Judge’s wife may think so to and hence and therefore….but Dave is not the Judge’s wife. Dave is blogger. And the Judge’s statements made to his wife in private are not the issue here. The Judge’s statements made to a blogger who then made those statements public record are what is an issue here.
Judge Strickland has been accused properly. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU AGREE THOSE ACCUSATIONS HAVE MERIT. The proper presentation of an appearance of impropriety has been made.
That’s the problem, and that’s why Judge Strickland will (in my mind undoubtedly) recuse himself.
» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:33 }
Darnudes,
Yes, you have my assurance that this will not become a bash-Dave-fest. You also have my assurance that I will not whitewash this situation. I will also not be upset with you if you decide to leave (though I don’t want you to) just because I didn’t whitewash the situation.
Dave caused a major, serious issue.
Dave was not required to speak to that PI. Dave was not required to agree to have a follow-up conversation with Andrea Lyon. Dave was not required to answer any question – when not in a deposition – about his own personal relationships.
I don’t know exactly how you think that ought to all be laid out in a kinder, gentler manner – but that’s the facts.
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Thanks Valhall.
Why would you think I would leave? I’ve no intention of leaving unless you want me to go. I can see all sides on this and think I am, for the most part, an even tempered person.
I have no intention of asking you to whitewash anything and you don’t need to lay anything out in a kinder, gentler manner for me – that is not what I am talking about.
I just noticed a couple of comments that normally I think you would object to.
I’m not telling you how to run your blog and I’ll shut up now.
And as Val said, not being a hater here, I think that it was a foolish move to “brag” about the judge calling regarding his health. The defense knows Strickland wasn’t being partial. He bent over backwards for the defense. But they needed to make hay out of the situation. MD was interviewed by WFTV and stated that he wasn’t “friends” with the judge.
As to the Bar complaint noted in the motion, I think Silver explained that he was required to pass on the info to the Bar.
Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:07 }
Val I agree wit your points. I myself never understood the reasons why MD had to post about JS, never. I didn’t know that Md had talked to the defense team. Wow!!! Geez!!!
LOOK-
As far as the LEGAL issues, no one gives a rat’s a$$ what “Marinade Dave” believes or thinks.
The issue is the behavior of the JUDGE.
Some blogger’s beliefs or thoughts are IRRELEVANT to the issue.
Darnudes,
I just was sensing you were uncomfortable. We are on uncomfortable ground here. And I just wanted you to know that I won’t be mad at you no matter what you decide.
I didn’t think you would leave…I just thought it the right and courteous thing to let you know I understand.
» Silverspnr said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:22 }
Agreed, but isn’t part of the issue that Strickland told him he was fair, and that was a problem for the defense view point because they described his writing as very anti-Casey Anthony?
I mean, if he never mentioned the fairness of the blog, it would have meant nothing. If he said I read your blog, no problem, that is neutral. He could have even called to ask about his health. But the fact that he was legitimizing MD’s opinions is the problem, if I understand correctly.
I remember when Dom Casey filed a complaint with the Bar saying Baez told him not to call 911 if he found Caylee’s remains. I believe Judge Strickland also filed something to make sure the claim was investigated. I believe that is a big part of this. Baez knows JS is really on top of things. We haven’t heard from D. Casey yet. I hope this comes round and bite Jose’ butt!
But, but, but – and I never thought I’d be here defending Dave, HOWEVER
Dave was called to the bench by an officer in the courtroom. He didn’t know what the reason for it was. He blogged that he thought he was in some sort of trouble with the Judge.
It’s not Dave’s fault that the Judge befriended him. Dave has every right to blog the truth about his day-to-day life and activities whatever they are.
I do not think that faulting Dave is fair. If anyone was wrong it was Judge Strickland. He initiated a personal relationship with someone who writes about this case and has a strong following of readers. He had to understand that Dave would take the opportunity to write about it. And if he didn’t, then that concerns me a lot.
Dave’s just trying to be the best at what it is he does, and he does that best by being in the middle of all that is … It’s an ego thing.
» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:29 }
Darnudes,
I just was sensing you were uncomfortable. We are on uncomfortable ground here. And I just wanted you to know that I won’t be mad at you no matter what you decide.
I didn’t think you would leave…I just thought it the right and courteous thing to let you know I understand.
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Valhall, no problem. I am not one of those people who get in a snit and toss my toys out of the pram when I don’t like hearing what someone is saying. I try to work it out in a respectful adult manner. I understand people are going to have some very strong views on this and no one needs to tiptoe around me.
Just keep in mind that there are a couple of posters out there who will not hold any consideration for this site and will only use it as a place to vent about someone they hate – that is what was concerning me.
Cheers Val
Lily,
We have to act like grown ups for a second.
1. Would anyone know what Judge Strickland said if it hadn’t been repeated?
The answer is no.
2. Did Judge Strickland have a lapse of judgment if he said “I think your blog is very fair”?
The answer is yes.
3. Would we know about the lapse of judgment if it hadn’t been repeated?
The answer is no.
So – I’m not sure what you’re defending here. Are you arguing the facts? This isn’t about blaming anybody. This is about the historical record. People seem to get all kerflunkled when the historical record doesn’t set well with them. They want to rewrite to something softer….
wait…kind of like Cindy Anthony, right?
And Lily, I don’t mean that adversely.
Alls I’m trying to say is we have one set of events:
1. Judge Strickland said something in a lapse of judgment.
2. It was repeated.
3. Judge Strickland also reached out in a moment of what I believe sincere concern for another person.
4. It was repeated.
And we are where we are. So there we are.
» WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 06:04:56 }
Yeah Jenny
I think he is gone. As Silver said the appearance is the problem.
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The APPEARANCE is the controlling ISSUE.
Whether or not there is proper EVIDENCE to support it, we don’t yet know.
But as I said, I have been concerned about the “appearance” of IMPARTIALITY ever since “Marinade Dave” bragged on a post about the alleged details of his interaction with the judge.
It would certainly shock my conscience to learn that the judge called a person who blogged about this case over to the bench after a hearing on the case to express what Marinade Dave alleged that the judge expressed.
This isn’t the Nancy Grace show, folks.
This is reality.
A free society should want– and DEMAND– a judge who not only APPEARS, but IS, IMPARTIAL.
WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:11 }
Val if you want to delete, I understand, but this comment by MD just couldn’t have happend IMO. And if this lunch didn’t happen I have to wonder about the phone call too.
Look far down the thread to the 3:00pm comment.
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/say-hello-to-laura-and-joe/#comment-116530
so if and when Strickland takes himself off this case will this have a prayer of going to trial next may? if the defense get’s a change of venue will there even be another judge?
T2M,
I think Dave was being humorous. That’s the way I take it.
» lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:00 }
Lily you are right. But I think he stepped right into a trap when he stated how the judge called to ask about his health. Maybe he wasn’t bragging.
Darn: The intellectual and emotional maturity of the contributors here is exemplary and I highly doubt anyone would be so low as to attempt to “spew hate” here. I have a low opinion of MD (now), but far from “hate.”
Once upon a time I was in Court for child support with XH-2 and the Judge was a cousin of XH-1. I asked for recusal and was denied – and he was highly incensed that I would think he would not do his IMPARTIAL duties properly. So much for that plan. I know, apples to oranges, but my point is that it is an insult to the sitting judge to ask for recusal.
As for Hudge Strickland’s contact with MD, a verbal compliment = may be ok, strikes me as innocuous. Phone call, if it happened = worrisome. Having lunch with counsel and MD, if it happened, as long as they didn’t discuss the case = inconsequential. Can anyone in class properly apply the hearsay rules to each scenario, I can’t.
As Silver says, we don’t have all the facts (yet). Hang tight.
Val = with the most respect and admiration . . .
Would we rather know that the Judge is impartial or not? I say we would want to know. Just because Dave doesn’t write about it – doesn’t make it not so. The truth is what it is. If Dave kept his encounter with the Judge to himself – it still happened. He didn’t insert himself – the Judge asked for him.
Look, I think Dave bragged about it but so what? If it’s true, it just is.
*Judge (not Hudge – gees)
Silver
What would happen next, if Strickland left the case? Does a new judge have to go back and read everything, all motions, all discovery etc before moving forward?
And who would hear the motion about the indigent budget? Does the defense have to freeze it’s activity with no funding until another judge is up to speed?
If they want this judge removed, surely they will not stand before him to argue an amount, right?
Lily,
You are missing my point…OR you are trying so hard to defend Dave’s position (which by the way is fine with me) that you are causing yourself to misunderstand.
WHAT JUDGE STRICKLAND DID DOES NOT PROVE LACK OF IMPARTIALITY.
Doesn’t even have to be proven. So if Dave had not shared the comments the public would not be having “the wool pulled over their eyes”. It’s not a matter of trying to HIDE something. It is a matter of statements made one-on-one being shared and those statements being used by the defense to show an APPEARANCE OF A LACK OF IMPARTIALITY.
This is not a trial…again, this is not a trial.
Is it possible MD gave the clerk his card and requested a word with Judge S ? How do we know Judge S even approached MD ofhis own volition? Why would we assume Judge S would seek out ONE blog creator and drown him in praise, call him and check on his health????? Im sorry, I want to see the phone bills. I want to have MD interviewed under oath, not just have a converstion with an investigator who is stroking his…ego, to elicit info that I dont believe has been sworn to nor cross examined or verified. Sorry, so many liars in this case inserting themselves in the case, I guess I give Judge S the benefit of the doubt when considering the source of all this nonsense.
I’m going to put this another way, Lily.
The defense went on a phishing expedition.
They snagged a large-mouth bass with Dave.
They weren’t looking for PROOF of impropriety on Judge Strickland’s part.
They were looking for actions they could use to present an APPEARANCE of lack of impartiality on his behalf.
They got it.
Lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:55 }
Hi Lily. I think the thing is that the Judge’s communication was absolutely innocent (I like your blog – I hope you’re feeling better, etc.) but the fact that we have to see it bloated through MD’s prism is what makes it SEEM like the Judge could have a slant. He doesn’t, and he didn’t say or do anything wrong on the face of it. It’s all perception, not reality. And that’s what counts.
OK, I’ll just sit back and let Val take it from here. She does it better. rofl.
I had to go fix all my comments because I had been leaving out LACK OF…harumph.
So this is all about APPEARANCE. It makes no difference who said what, when they said it, how they said it, or even IF they said it…..it is simply about the APPEARANCE of the…accusations (if that is the right word)
Given some of the displays of unchecked anger and character attacks I’ve read, it wouldn’t be too difficult to impeach MD.
We go around DEMANDING that Casey, Cindy, George and others ‘JUST TELL THE TRUTH’!
Why is this any different? If it didn’t happen then that’s another thing. Why expect one side to keep secrets and not the other?
I wish Judge Strickland had been more discreet but he wasn’t. It concerned me at the time.
First time posting here, hi Val you’re doing a nice job here.
I think MD got carried away with all of the attention he is getting from
his faithful readers and he lost sight of his common sense.
I seem to remember several months ago when he actually drove
up to Maitland to interview James Thompson the computer store guy that talked to Casey and he saw Caylee on her last day alive at Walmart with Casey.
He had no business trying to interview a potential trial witness, somebody needs to cut the cord on his computer plug. LOL
» Chat Lunatique said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:17 }
Darn: The intellectual and emotional maturity of the contributors here is exemplary and I highly doubt anyone would be so low as to attempt to “spew hate” here. I have a low opinion of MD (now), but far from “hate.”
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I agree.
I’m not going to justify my comments anymore. If you don’t think it relates to you then don’t worry about it.
Good posts
I am “fan-ing or friending” Val and Jennyb again
If the Circuit Judge in this county in Florida made this bad a judgment call, I am amazed. If this man did indeed converse with this blogger he has no business on the bench in the first place. I cannot imagine a circuit judge with his experience on the bench use such poor judgment. IMO this played right into the defense’s hands!
» EDRN said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:16 }
I don’t think anybody here is saying some one can make a bold-faced lie and get a judge recused. I’m not calling Dave a liar, are you?
Well, Val. All they had to do was read Dave’s blog. It’s all right there. Why shouldn’t he talk to whomever asks to meet with him? He has made a temporary career out of writing about this case. Should he just talk to the pro-prosecution folks?
Dave has also met with Yuri Melich when Yuri asked him to come talk to them about comments Joy Wray made on his blog. Should he have told them no too?
Okay
Good points too, again, Lily.
I am agreeing with virtually everyone right now. lol Good posts all.
Absolutely not….I am just saying that it is all about the appearance of things. I would never call anyone a liar unless I was there and knew they were lying. i apologize if it cam off that way.
» Kleat said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:20 }
…..The hearing, IIRC, was the same one after which Joy Wray, in her purple hair, purple satin blouse and bright red lipstick, made her ‘I’m a witness for Caylee’ debut.
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Kleat!
You had me at “purple hair”!!!
LOL!
(although the “satin blouse and bright red lipstick” addition to the Joy Wray description was definitely called for!!!!! LOL!)
Thanks for the descriptive=) A nice image of levity=)
JOY WRAY.
It’s as if some wacky character walked out of a Stephen King novel like “The Stand”, where all are either on the side of GOOD or EVIL, with no in-between.
Val
If you look at the comment by a poster after his comment, you see this person believed his “joke” and he never cleared it up with that person.
I will wait to see what the Judge has to say in his defense before I conclude the judge did anything wrong, or called this person.
WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:36 }
Hee. You’re the bestest Greek chorus ever!
Sorry Val, you are right, the appearance of impropriety is enough to cause a problem. I want the facts to come out, but it probably is irrelevant. J Kerly can accuse Roy Kronk through the defense of vile behavior, and once its out there you cant take it back. The ” appearance” of innocence seems to be the defense strategy. Its not about proof, its not even about reasonable doubt. Thanks for all your hard work on this case, and I can say if all this he said she said holds any sway in court, the justice system needs to be reassessed.
The Stand is one of my all time favorite good vs. evil stories of all time!!! I don’t read later Stephen King but The Stand and a few of the short stories are brilliant!!
Lily,
I’m not getting where you’re coming from.
Are you saying that you’d be okie-dokie with Judge Strickland’s wife getting PO’d at him, leaving him, and coming forward and saying “the Judge listens to Nancy Grace every night because he told me he thinks she’s fair and balanced”. And then the defense lodges this motion based on that information?
Are you saying that’s how you want to grade the partiality of judges? By who can keep a private conversation secret and who can’t? Judges are allowed to form opinions, they are required to act without bias on those opinions. Judge Strickland’s only sin in this mix is that he shared his opinion of Dave’s blog being “fair”…that one-on-one statement was shared and is now being used to create an appearance of lack of impartiality.
I don’t agree with the reasoning you are presenting. But that’s okay…I don’t have to.
» Linda Pope said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:00 }
If the Circuit Judge in this county in Florida made this bad a judgment call, I am amazed. If this man did indeed converse with this blogger he has no business on the bench in the first place. I cannot imagine a circuit judge with his experience on the bench use such poor judgment. IMO this played right into the defense’s hands!
He may have made a bad decision, but your assessment is harsh in my opinion. He has made very good and fair decisions in this case. I’m not excusing the incident here, but judges are human and none are perfect. To say he has no business on the bench when both defense attorneys and prosecutors alike have spoken so highly of him in the past , is a bit extreme.
Okay. Fair enough.
Of all the bloggers to befriend . . . ?
I’m sure MD was writing prose for his next piece boasting of the special bond that magically formed when first their eyes met. What does it take to insert yourself so deeply into a case of this magnitude? How do they keep doing it? It’s like once a month like clockwork. I don’t get it, but this case is full of them.
There’s no way Strickland will be able to avoid dealing with this I guess. And unfortunately for MD the most recent drama on his blog turned out to be illegal which will turn up if any light at all is shone on him. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was MD who tipped Baez off, actually. Didn’t we all see him slip JB his business card and pat him on the back a couple hearings ago?
» lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:27 }
I think anyone who wants to spout off to anyone they feel like spouting off to has the right in this great country of ours to spout until their spouter’s sore.
Are we clear?
It sounds like it WAS MD who tipped off Baez.
Dear Darn, I apologize if I sounded terse, it was not my intention – wish we could speak face-to-face sometimes. You are fine – we are cool and again, I’m sorry if you felt I put you on the de-fence – that’s not my m.o.
Sincerely,
Chat
One thing though (O stop me before I make enemies of people I care about!!)
The Judge would have a reasonable expectation that his wife would keep his confidence and understand that he’s doing his job and that her opinion of his views do not mean a hill of beans one way or the other.
However, the Judge does not have a reasonable expectation that a blogger about this case is going to have the same relationship with him. In fact, the Judge would have to reasonably expect that Dave would write about what he said.
At least I hope so.
is there an emoticon for a sore spouter?
Val-
You had me at “…harumph”=)
I am so going to start saying that OUT LOUD!
HARRRUMPH!
Well I feel sufficiently smacked down now.
I guess I feel all of us are taking as FACT that the conversation NO ONE was privy to, in fact involved any mention of ” fair” blogging?!? Maybe Judge Strickland wanted to know what hair products MD uses as they share hair challenged heads…Maybe he just likes his marinade recipes??? Im with previous posters, I want to hear what Judge S has to say. In regard to the comments of Casey and the truth blah blah blah, I would think all that she contributed to the investigation up to that point INCLUDING the date of her daughters dissappearance, was untrue. I dont think Judge S showed a bias, but rather was restating the obvious. JMO but Ive heard worse on many other broadcast trials.
That’s from Blazing Saddles!
*harumph*
*harumph*
*harumph*
Mel Brooks points at a guy… “I didn’t get a harumph outta that guy!”
*harumph*
Lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:31 }
Awww, we loves ya Lily!
» lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:31 }
Well you better not! I’m not meaning to smack or even make you feel smacked. We just don’t agree on this one…which is okay!
*hug*
I think I am missing something here. IMO, MD did nothing wrong. If something happened that he wasn’t supposed to talk about, why did the something happen? He can blog about anything he wants. Maybe it was bragging, but why should he have to be quiet about it?
Oh for goodness sakes, is there anyone old enough to recall when President Nixon slipped and stated Charles Manson was guilty? Talk about brouhaha.
» Chat Lunatique said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:07 }
Oh for goodness sakes, is there anyone old enough to recall when President Nixon slipped and stated Charles Manson was guilty? Talk about brouhaha.
Well, he was right about that.
» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:40 }
I think anyone who wants to spout off to anyone they feel like spouting off to has the right in this great country of ours to spout until their spouter’s sore.
*****
RIGHT!
(so long as it’s not “FIRE!!!” in a crowded theater where there is no fire, etc)
Let’s be proud of our First Amendment rights.
We are in a unique place in this world, and we should cherish it. Truly.
Listen-
If the judge did something that created a problem, it is on HIM, and not on the blogger.
I am not a major fan of this “Marinade Dave” for a number of reasons, but I hope I have been clear that it is the ALLEGED behavior of the JUDGE that is at issue.
Well, I have to get this out of my chest and I know that maybe you guys are not going to like it… first time I read MD’s blog was when he posted about JS and I thought to myself “really”??? Why would a Judge do this? I really didn’t believe it because it made no sense to me but I am not a lawyer and have no idea how Judges should behave but it just didn’t feel right. MD should have kept that for himself, my opinion is that this guy is a “show off” with a big ego!!!
Val, please don’t ban me for saying that, if you want you can delete it.
» azrenee said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:37 }
Here’s the deal with this here part…Dave has stated this in a taped?, transcribed? interview with a PI. Do you honestly think that Judge Strickland is going to get into a he-said, he-said argument and call Dave a bold-faced liar if these things aren’t true?
He can’t prove that…right? And Dave can prove Judge Strickland spoke to him in court. And I’m sure phone records can prove the phone calls.
So…what do you want Judge Strickland to do?
clear as a crystal bell, Silver – now, get folks to check their emotions and listen to reason.
The Judge should not have done what he did. Period. He should have known better and that’s the reason people think he will have to recuse himself. He gave the defense fodder. Bad. Bad. Bad.
MD is just annoying but this is nothing new.
Sorry for getting all full of melodrama and all.
What do I want Judge Strickland to do? I want him to not create the illusion or the reality of impropriety. This his HIS fault.
I’m not going to ban anybody, FRG. This is a charged subject due to the current that runs through it. I would just ask that no one be hateful about Dave. The facts are as follows:
Judge Strickland had a lapse of judgment.
Dave repeated it.
Do I think the judge shouldn’t have said what he said? Yes – because of the APPEARANCE it could create were it repeated.
Do I think Dave was right to repeat it? or to share the kind gesture the judge committed? No.
I’m not changing my answer on either one of those….but I don’t have to be hateful about it. I’d ask everybody else not to be either.
maybe JB filed this frivolous motion because he needs to deflect attention away from the statements that he was acting as a carrier pigeon between Casey and family with contraband communications and who knows what else?
They say the Postman always rings twice.
» Chat Lunatique said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:00 }
Dear Darn, I apologize if I sounded terse, it was not my intention – wish we could speak face-to-face sometimes. You are fine – we are cool and again, I’m sorry if you felt I put you on the de-fence – that’s not my m.o.
Sincerely,
Chat
Oh Chat, don’t apologise, you have no need to.
I can’t say much more without outing a couple of posters and I don’t want to do that here. I may not post much but I do read a lot and there are a couple of posters here with their own agenda.
I’m sorry for coming across so snarky, my apologies to you Chat.
I will agree , if everything stated in the blog is the truth and nothing but the truth…and if the blog writer was afforded the opportunity to retract or perhaps dampen the written words as to what the facts are…I dont blame anyone for anything. Poor judgment on Judge S, possibly…Poor judgment to comment on your involvement in an ongoing case and investigation? Only if you are claiming to be a ” journalist”. I blog my opinions, which along with 3.95 at Starbucks will get you a low fat vente latte. I am not intending to criticize anyone, I just have serious issues as the ” facts” dont seem to be questioned, rather the debate is on motivations etc. One more instance in this case where the reported word is taken on faith, until it disproved…how bout that sexual affair of Georges…who came up with that???
Ok, I’m looking for the source of ‘harumphhh’ in this comment thread. This blog must be well maintained to highest standards, we need to have good sources…. going back to see if I can find Val’s source ref’d in footnote 1 in Silver’s post.
*sneaking suspicion where it might have come from… B.–S–. !!!*
Val, have you got an icon for a ‘bat-the-ball”?
Here is a different opinion. Not sure if Themis is a lawyer. Maybe someone who posts on WS would know:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=2bd0ed06998883d68b5e0df467edfbfc&t=101751&page=8
Themis
Registered User
Judicial conduct is governed by a Code of Judicial Conduct and the rules are called canons. Here are the Florida Judicial Canons. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d…cs/index.shtml
It is not unethical to talk to people, to have friends, to express social courtesies even by calling someone. Judge Strickland is not going to be the trier of fact in this case — that will be the jury. Judge Strickland’s key role as presiding judge is to maintain order in his court and proceed with the trial of this matter. He doesn’t have to be neutral as long as his decisions have considered everything he is supposed to consider.
Think about it. What happens in a bench trial (tried before a Judge alone) and there is inadmissible evidence presented but not admitted into evidence. We expect that Judge to ignore that evidence when making the decision. Judges can real newspapers, watch television and generally be part of the community.
The old mantra of “appearance of impropriety” is often misused for a yardstick for the speaker’s concerns rather than a standard of judicial conduct. What might be improper in the eyes of a super sensitive observer is not improper for the majority of us. Part of the standards involve what do other Judges do.
Just because the defense writes and files a motion doesn’t mean it has any merit at all. Makes them look busy.
Val: “or to share the kind gesture the judge committed?”
This is the very sad part of the story, right here. Makes me sick on a human level.
» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:17 }
That’s from Blazing Saddles!
*****
I love that movie! I guess I have to watch it AGAIN=)
*****
Yikes.
I expressed a personal opinion about “Marinade Dave” and you are bearing the burden=(
Sorry, dear woman.
Folks-
The reality is that MD bragged about the judge calling him over and alleged that the judge COMPLIMENTED HIM about his coverage of the case, etc, a while back.
IF the judge did that…
it is far more concerning than the judge calling him to see how he felt after some illness or what have you.
I have a hard time believing that the judge did the former (vs. the latter), but IF he did, then EITHER SIDE would have grounds to file a motion to request that the judge recuse himself.
*****
I am off to bed now! Did a late training ride at race pace, and my legs and eyes are begging for mercy!
Sweet Dreams!
Jennyb said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:27 }
Boy, you are not alone in your thoughts… now I have to shut up before Val bans me.
Yes, JS made a bad judgement. Geez!!!
I can’t believe this!!! More tax payer’s money spent and I am of them. Not funny!!!
WSH
Themis is a verified lawyer on WS
It’s the kind of thing that makes people close down and trust no one. Very sad.
I hope you bloggers don’t think I’m stupid, but this is driving me crazy, so here it is. I’ve been thinking about the defense team reading all of the blogs and most likely getting alot of useful information that will help them in some way or the other. So, the question is….If any of you had a good theory or evidence that the defense could use to free KC or create reasonable doubt at a min., would you post it knowing that KC might get aquitted?
..wel, well, hasn’t cheney mason been busy——-digging up SOMETHING-ANYTHING to “use against” judgeS.
..it was clearly evident from the moment he stepped his “great self” into court the day of the indigent hearing.
..” well—-ya’ trust me, don’t you?” chuckle chuckle.” here’s what we’ll do—–in camera, blah blah…..”
..judge” no, we’ll do this in open court.”
..cheny mason thought he’d saunter in, play the “good ole’ boys that we are act..” and rule the room.
..( in fact, while speaking, he DID wander all over the place, rather than stand at the podium as he should have.)
..the judge shot him down, made him scramble with the defense team to get their stories straight re: where THE money came from…caused him to do the ridiculous! witness “interviews” with baez and lyon…IN open court–televised no less.
..i have no doubt that mason himself wrote up this motion , livid as he is at judgeS for not bowing down to him just for “showing up” —and——-it lacks the non stop spelling mistakes that baez and andrea’s students ALWAYS make.
………..although what does this sentence mean:
” The approval by Judge Strickland of Marinade Dave’s blogs, is incomparable and chilling at a minimum as to the Defendant’s expectation of a fair trial.”
…incomparable ? ( incomparable to what?)
FRG: “More tax payer’s money spent and I am of them. Not funny!!!”
Sowwy.
HARUMPHHHH!!! BS, you say!!! (the ultimate source)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY
Very good point about trust Jennyb. The whole thing stinks and has since it happened. I’m surprised frankly it took this long for the defense to make use of it.
Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:15 }
Okay Val!!! Thanks for being understanding!!! I love your blog.
» Kleat said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:18 }
LOL – no. But you get the Hinky Meter award for the evening.
Ellejay, you know, the defence must feel up a tree with this client, trying everything but the case. But, have to admit, since the new and improved defense, it is refreshing, Thursday evening passed, Friday morn’s NYC national media shows and tonight, nothing of the defense team on television. They’re working, they’re making real arguments!
» lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:55 }
I would suppose that Dave will be writing about this real soon.
Darn, if we keep this up we’ll have to get a room (please laugh, please
)
» WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:27 }
Here is a different opinion. Not sure if Themis is a lawyer.
*****
Well, it isn’t the appearance of IMPROPRIETY that’s at issue here.
It’s the appearance of IMPARTIALITY.
Like i said, the judge calling a person after an illness or medical procedure is not as concerning as the judge allegedly COMPLIMENTING A BLOGGER about his/her coverage of a case upon which the judge is sitting. That is a major concern, IF it is true.
Neither side of the dispute complained about it at the time, so I was assuming that neither bought it.
I found it hard to believe, knowing even what little I know about this judge’s reputation for fairness.
*****
OK!~ I am really heading to bed now!
Even my dogs are circling!!! (They love when I cuddle with them on their pillows on the floor on my side of the bed before I climb in with my husband=)
» WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:36 }
AGREED! Let’s be straight that Judge Strickland has an EXEMPLARY record. He has sat on the ethics committee for several years now. We are talking about a lapse of judgment that has led to a real appearance that is affecting this case. But he is NOT anything but an awesome judge with an awesome record.
It is because of his record and because of him being an advocate for ethics in the legal community that I sadly and truly believe he will recuse himself concerning this.
Some very funny comments on IS. I am laughing my azz off!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spots©
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/20…-a-fence-post/
“Let me say this… this is the biggest mistake a defense could make. I am going to write my side of the story tomorrow. The defense hoodwinked me. They used me to get at the judge and mark my words, Casey will regret the day she asked for his removal.”
BettyC
Registered User
The defense used him? What in the world did he think they wanted to talk with him about? His awards?
About decision making, judge leaving the bench, courage, and effective eloquent argumentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U&feature=related
Hi Val! Had a few of your comments posted at my site so I thought I would come over and see what all the commotion is all about!
I am thinking the only one on a phishing expedition is MD! He has made it known that he had called the Baez office, and was very determined to get into this case! I guess with this going down, he will not be allowed in the courtroom.
I do feel that Judge Strickland is a great guy, and if he steps down I hope they get the meanest one around! Casey got off scott-free for the fraud charges, she could have spent many years in prison for that! I also think he is experienced enough to not talk to anyone like MD!
What shall I do to celebrate my very first very own Hinky Award??!!!
(or is this not talked about in polite circles?? )
..bill shaeffer, who “blogs” on wftv.com , was also allowed, for some time——to sit in court, ( not on the hard benches/chairs ) but “up front” , in front of the railing due to his ( back ?) surgery.
..if judgeS gave him a friendly nod, “good morning—-how’s the back, bill?” is this another strike against him?
..aren’t judges allowed to have friends/acquaintenances?
..( it’s not like we’re hearing he is/was having an afair with (fill-in-the-blank).
(re-receiving the award, not the celebration, that is!!!)
Jail Friend: Casey Described Using Chloroform
Posted: 4:29 pm EDT April 16, 2010
Updated: 6:38 pm EDT April 16, 2010
http://www.wftv.com/news/23175967/detail.html
Snip:
OCALA, Fla. — A young woman who was one of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse friends spoke exclusively to WFTV on Friday in her first one-on-one interview. She said Casey described how she used to knock her daughter Caylee out with chloroform.
FRIEND TALKS: Part 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/23175347/index.html
Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/23177092/index.html
Someone said that
Themis
Registered User said:
Judicial conduct is governed by a Code of Judicial Conduct and the rules are called canons. Here are the Florida Judicial Canons. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d…cs/index.shtml
It is not unethical to talk to people, to have friends, to express social courtesies even by calling someone. Judge Strickland is not going to be the trier of fact in this case — that will be the jury. Judge Strickland’s key role as presiding judge is to maintain order in his court and proceed with the trial of this matter. He doesn’t have to be neutral as long as his decisions have considered everything he is supposed to consider.
(****Uhhh.. He also makes RULINGS on LEGAL ISSUES which can have great bearing on how the case proceeds. To diminish his involvement to the description of someone who simply maintains “order” is B.S. Any lawyer who has actually TRIED MANY CASES knows this firsthand.*****)
Think about it. What happens in a bench trial (tried before a Judge alone) and there is inadmissible evidence presented but not admitted into evidence. We expect that Judge to ignore that evidence when making the decision. Judges can real newspapers, watch television and generally be part of the community.
(***** Not the same as complimenting a blogger who is constantly offering opinions on the case, etc****)
The old mantra of “appearance of impropriety” is often misused for a yardstick for the speaker’s concerns rather than a standard of judicial conduct. What might be improper in the eyes of a super sensitive observer is not improper for the majority of us. Part of the standards involve what do other Judges do.
(***** Again– judges can watch the news. What creates a problem is if they compliment or disparage== a certain blogger or what have you who routinely expresses opinions about a case upon which they are sitting.*****)
OK.
That’s IT!
Mister Blue (a HUGE DOBERMAN) is giving me his TEETH! SNEERING EVEN!
GOOOOOOD NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because the defense writes and files a motion doesn’t mean it has any merit at all. Makes them look busy.
He did write that blog titled Casey Must Die
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/casey-anthony-must-die/
Silver
You are cute. Now go to bed! Good luck tomorrow.
Kleat – If you celebrate correctly – you can’t talk about it in polite circles because you don’t remember it the next morning! You know that!
Judge Strickland also used a rather familiar tone in his greeting of Mr. J. Cheney Mason when he say in open court for all to hear, ‘what kept you?’.
Kleat,
Tomorrow morning should go something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ouuPyYVDw
Whataworm, but then someone might argue that ‘Everyone Dies’, Casey is no exception.
MD has a poem titled “Ode To Dave” been on his site for months. Supposedly sums up how thrilled Judge S.was to meet md in court. Barf, was bound to backfire, all that name dropping & bragging!
Good night Silver and your doggie!!!
Don’t forget what md did to Mr. Sheaffer & his blog out of imo pure jealousy.
Ha, Val… I’m keeping my award for myself, not pinning it on any sleeping Scot no matter how curious about those kilts!!
Oh…sorry, Kleat. I’m suspecting I guessed your gender wrong. I thought you were equipped as a Scotsman.
In that case – uhhh, it aint worth much! LMAO
In referance to Val’s comment waaaaaaaaay above, saying the defense went on a phishing expadition and caught a “large mouth bass” –
Looks like the SS Caylee Marie is good for something afterall ~!!!
I see that MD has posted that he will be writing His Side of the Story tomorrow.
The man just does not know when to keep his mouth shut.
He claims that he was hoodwinked.
All anyone has to do is read his comment section, and see how anyone that gets along with him strokes his ego.
A 5 minute stay at his site shows his over-inflated ego.
The defense knocked on his door, and, he opened it wide for them and walked right into what they wanted.
And, yeah, his own business card in the hand of Baez a few weeks ago is probably what set this phishing trip off to begin with, though he’d never admit it.
This is terrible that Judge Strickland is going to be looked at in a negative light because of this. What a shame.
Kleat said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:10 }
What shall I do to celebrate my very first very own Hinky Award??!!! (or is this not talked about in polite circles?? )
…………ummm, buy a round for all of us ?? i’ll have a white wine please.
They need to know they sincerely messed themselves up by doing this. It is very hard to get a judge recused. I listened and listened and listened and listened to the court hearing and never heard anything? DM will regret this for years to come because he could have taken the compliment and been good with that instead of patting himself on the back IMO. However JS won’t be able to take with him if he must leave this case all the evidence and witnesses and proof that the little twit murdered her child Caylee for no reason. Then there is the cellies singing like jailbirds no pun intended but they are on tv and telling all, and possibly unlike KC they more than likely took lie detector tests.
Kleat – I’ll take the Scottsman (Gerard Butler lookalike) and a martini. Both of them dirty.
Happy Hinky Award!!
» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:13 }
My apologies, Val, understanding your point. I truly did think he was paying you a compliment. No hard feelings?
Silverspnr said (before getting dogfaced into hitting the sack) –
(****Uhhh.. He also makes RULINGS on LEGAL ISSUES which can have great bearing on how the case proceeds. To diminish his involvement to the description of someone who simply maintains “order” is B.S. Any lawyer who has actually TRIED MANY CASES knows this firsthand.*****)
To see that with a film-goer/ layperson’s view, just have to watch Paul Newman’s experience as lawyer for the underdog in ‘The Verdict’. The judge did everything in his power (and beyond) to push forward the position of the wealthy, the guilty, and still, the jury decided on side of justice and what was right, even with all the judge threw at them in what was an obvious bias in favour of one side over the other.
Dear God in Heaven…
To many good honest people are being libeled, slandered, smeared and have their lives turn upside down by the Anthony’s. Why am I always stunned each time?.
I know many judges and attorney’s that “work” together and go have a beer after court that day so it’s not anything new. It’s that one question asked by the defense that makes it necessary for Judge Strickland to stand down.
Casey’s dream team has raised a very good point for appeal and if not granted many will always say Judge Strickland rulings were unfair to Casey Anthony.
We can always hope that Casey will get another honest judge, but this one won’t put up with her and her teams bullshit and will be her worst nightmare.
Maybe MC and team is hoping for an “old” friend on the bench that will give Casey life without parole.
Maybe the dream team is concerned that if they asked for a trial by judge that Judge Strickland wouldn’t of had a problem in giving Casey the needle.
% I’m just a soul whose intentions are good. Oh Lord,please don’t let me be misunderstood. Eric Burdon and the Animals %
There ya go, Lily!! But Scots don’t drink wee pinkie pushing drinks like Martini’s, pour’em a wee dram of Glenfiddich!! I take it we won’t be seeing you for the rest of the night nor too early in the morn.
Ellejay,
The stock in this icon fridge is getting low….
My first reaction was that this has to be another wacky defense drama and an obvious
stall technique, but when I read the details I was stunned. This judge is so excruciatingly fair and meticulous, surely he would know this was such a blatant lapse of ethics. I would consider Dave’s blog more entertainment than a professional analysis, it’s certainly amateur and not by any means profound journalism so all the
more strange he would favor this blog as opposed to…oh I dunno…which other…
Also strange that JS would not anticipate the controversy that could happen with
INJECTING himself OUTSIDE the case. I guess INJECTING goes both ways!
@Jennyb: I think you make a good point, that possibly JS subconsciously just simply
wants off this case. Not that this excuses his actions, but he seems like typically a
very fair and thorough professional who has seen too much of life’s noir and is
reaching a burn out point. Because this one’s going to drag on forever and get
especially ugly. Still…strange for him to do something so unprofessional. All I can
figure is that he assumed Dave would be more professional and not blab it.
It would appear to be common sense not to do so.
I can’t blame the defense for making this move because it’s so absurd, but also think
it’s likely they could get a judge even more against Casey, far less open-minded
about their creative legal motions and willing to approve a jury verdict of death.
However I think they had little choice with something so blatant.
I’d take more issue with Mason being so antagonistic against the JAC. That’s not
going to help them.
I just KNEW that the next unexpected turn was coming in this case. It’s almost like
All that’s missing on the scene is a sex tape. 
With some of the strange characters involved I shudder to think of where
an earthquake, you start feeling this weird seismic psychic activity about 2-3 days
before it hits.
it could emerge…
IF the judge does recuse himself, will this mean a revisit to all those lost motions of the past year since Ms. Lyon came on board?
Could Marinade Dave have said ‘sorry, no comment’ to Jeremiah Lyons and the defense request for an interview?
Hahahaha Kleat! Well the Scottsman can drink as much Glenfiddich or any other aged scotch he prefers – just as long as he doesn’t drink too much!
» Chat Lunatique said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:45 }
Darn, if we keep this up we’ll have to get a room (please laugh, please Shame )
*************
Hehehe….laughing here.
Skyline Pigeon said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:07 }
Hoodwinked by defense? I don’t think so. How old is this guy? Did he think JB was going to invite him to be his associate? Oh really? Let me shut up, I am going too far… sorry Val.
Good night everybody!!! You guys have fun!!!
I have to go to bed… so disappointed. I really adore JS.
What ever happened to the chat section?
I’m going to keep my fingers crossed and keep hold of what Themis said, that this is all a storm in a teacup.
Didn’t mean anything by that, just thought I’d post something there.
Monica: “All I can figure is that he assumed Dave would be more professional and not blab it.”
That’s the strangest part of this to me. If he read MD’s blog why would he think he was mature and professional? You’ve got major crimes interspersed with diabetes and marinade and all the rest.
I don’t want to go too much down this road but geez, like you said, the blog is so silly and amateurish it was startling to hear JS single him out for praise. That’s why I think possibly, deep in his recesses, JS wants out. The whole thing is WEIRD.
» Iliketobendpages said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:05 }
Maybe MC and team is hoping for an “old” friend on the bench that will give Casey life without parole.
Yes, I agree. I think he wants to find the good ol’ boy club treatment that he assumed he was going to have with Strickland, but he got spanked instead; with the entire defense having to testify in open court about finances.
Blink had a really good point on the MD issue. Why would MD consider himself a witness at all?:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/03/23/cayleecasey-anthony-case-blink-discusses-discovery-on-dana-pretzer-show/#comments
“I do not understand why Dave would agree to meet with the defense and be interviewed, as opposed to him doing the interviewing, at all.”
Ok ‘night all. This was a great rip-roaring conversation!
I don’t believe Dave or Judge SS did anything wrong. The judge never blogged on Daves. Just because he phoned him so what.
Dave said he will write his side of the story tomorrow.
Val said { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:12 }
LMAO! Kleat…blue ribbon award from Val JUST for you! Congratulations!
Wow… y’all are slinging posts so fast I can even begin to keep up! (Dodging flying posts…
I have a serious question, though….everyone is discussing the “what ifs” if Judge S. leaves. How about the “what ifs” (ramifications) if he DOES stay on the case?
After read this val. I have to agree with you. I felt it was no biggie. But after reading this I understand.
“» Valhall said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:26 }
Here are my thoughts on the latest motion:
1. Judge Strickland WILL recuse himself.
2. It’s a crying shame that people can’t put their egos second to discretion. This act of kindness by Judge Strickland should have never have been discussed. And let’s be straight, Judge Strickland isn’t having to recuse himself because he checked on someone’s health, he’s having to recuse himself because the allegation has been made of bias…based on information the defense was told. His hands are tied.
It’s just a crying shame. Oh well…onward and downward…as is par for this case.”
How about the “what ifs” (ramifications) if he DOES stay on the case?
The defense will hit him with ridiculous motions and the judge will either deny them, and the defense will claim he was unfair for an appeal, or he will allow them oodles of leeway to counter the impartial appearance, which might be unfair to the prosecution. My opinion only.
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For rvw of the post:
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/it-was-my-honor-your-pleasure/
EXCEPT:
He told me he was not a computer person, nor was he very good on the Internet. I told him he didn’t need to be. After all, it was not a computer that qualified him to sit on the bench.
“Needless to say, I do go on the Internet and read about this case.” I see no reason whatsoever for him to remain blind to what the outside world, meaning outside of the court system, has to say. Should he cancel his subscription to the Orlando Sentinel and remove all TVs from his house? Would you expect him to sequester himself from the outside world? “I must say that you have the best Web site regarding this case. You investigate and you are very fair to everyone.”
“I thought you were going to ask me to never come back because the glare off my head kept you from concentrating.”
“No, I just wanted to tell you that.”
“I thought, maybe, you had used my marinade years ago.”
“No, you are very good as a writer and you stick to facts. You are very fair and I’m impressed.” WOW! That was impressive. I impressed HIM.
I thanked him to no end. I was in awe of the man. I, we, have watched him in action. His demeanor. His fairness. His elegance on the bench. Let me tell you all something, Judge Strickland is a very humble man. To think that I impressed him was the best compliment I could ever get about my blog. He did not look down upon me. He treated me as a person and that’s the way he looks at Casey and everyone else related to this case; something we have ALL seen in him – his fairness on the bench. I think he looks at blogs and forums the same way. He looks for fairness. After all, he must listen to both sides or he wouldn’t be a good judge at all, would he?
I told him about a friend of mine who was also a judge, but one who heard workman’s compensation cases. When I mentioned his name, he said he knew him. With that, I thanked him again and turned to leave. At that point, I was floating on air and I was bouncing off the walls. I told my story to several people standing outside. That was when I met Michelle. She said, “Wow, I’ve finally met a real celebrity.”
That brought me back down to earth again. I am no celebrity and I told her so. It was a real honor, but I am just a regular old guy. Nothing else.
♦
» jennyb said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 07:04:22 }
If the Judge doesn’t go is this an attempt to intimidate him into giving kinder, gentler rulings on future motions? So he doesn’t appear to be “angry” with the defense for slams against his character in this one?
None of this is good.
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Anyone remember in the OJ murder trial when the Fuhrman tapes were discovered? Fuhrman had made derogatory remarks about Judge Ito’s wife. The prosecutors tried to play hard ball with the judge and threatened to ask that he be recused. Judge Ito stayed on the bench at trial.
You know, I just can’t imagine Judge Strickland saying so much as half of what Dave says he did. Not that it matters, now. What’s done is done, and I wonder how special Dave feels he is now?
» Kleat said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:17 }
Yes, he could have.
» Willow said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:59 }
Shout out to Willow.
@Jennyb: Maybe Mr. Marinade is not doing such a bang-up job of monitoring his
glucose levels and his brains are being pickled?
I think JS waited until the end of the hearing and since it was over, returned to being a “real person” and may have spoken personally to MD. JS was also off court time when he may have called MD to express his concern about his health. In both alleged instances, JS was “on his own time.” I am not surprised to think that JS is a caring person in his personal life as he seems to be a caring person when he in on the bench. His good record would tell me that he is able to be impartial and professional before and during a trial and I am sorry to hear that this has happened. I guess he will think twice before being kind to someone again because it can be misunderstood and now becomes part of the record of a so far good career. What I am not surprised one bit about is that JS may become another casualty in this case where so many people have found themselves in similar circumstances.
Mostly, it seems, because there are far too many people dancing around the outskirts and then, later, right into the center of this whole business with agendas of their own…(financial, ego building, self importance, fame seeking, etc)…far away from what SHOULD be the only focus in this case.
I believe that Casey would have received a fair trial with JS and I believe that the defense knows that. JS is not the jury…and I have watched/read many trials where it is quite obvious when a judge agrees or disagrees with one side or the other side and IMO, JS has kept his cards well hidden as to how he feels…he has just ruled according to law. I agree with Ellijay’s comments as to why this comes up now.
Justwannadance,
I moved the just for chat thread up and it shows up in the recent posts list on the lower lefthand sidebar now.
So, if Judge S. stays, and continues…would there be enough of an argument to overturn a guilty verdict on appeal? I mean, there has to be something of serious substance to appeal, etc. Is this, in and of itself, enough? Is there any precedence for a situation like this, and what was the outcome?
I think this judge has been more than fair to the defense and I sincerely hope if this judge steps down that they get one that will put a stop to the defense bullshit. This isnt the first time the defense has tried to get this judge off this case.
I read both here and at MD`s site and I believe Dave to be very honest and has always written his articles with fairness in mind, and has been accused of being an anthony lover by some. The defense needs to go reading some other blogs and will find most blogs are way more against casey than daves blog is. The defense is twisting and turning some of this stuff with dave, and why should that surprise anyone, that is what they do with everyone. It is my biggest wish that the defense gets their wish and ends up with a judge who slaps down baez big time !!
And to some who want to put down dave, didnt your moms ever teach you if you had nothing nice to say, then dont say anything ! Just because some dont like him doesnt mean anything, there is probably some who dont like val or blink, it is just a matter of personal opinion
Fran,
I assure you there are those who do not like me. But that’s not the point. And I believe, as best as I’ve been able to moderate tonight, the discussion has stayed away from like and dislike. So I don’t really think that’s a valid part of the argument. It’s more about the historical record. Really…it is.
Well one thing I’ve always been able to do here is disagree. It’s not a matter of if you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all. What kind of world would this be if you didn’t stand up for your own opinions? I respect those who disagree and have the guts to make their case.
With that said, a sure sign of maturity is the ability to be open minded enough to change one’s mind and say so.
I’m not sayin’ I changed my mind
LOL! Lily – I lub you.
“Let me say this… this is the biggest mistake a defense could make. I am going to write my side of the story tomorrow. The defense hoodwinked me. They used me to get at the judge and mark my words, Casey will regret the day she asked for his removal.”
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Somebody hoodwinked good old “I’m not a celebrity” MD? Say it aint so Joe. Did they use a false name, did they disguise themselves in some way?
I think MD hoodwinked himself into thinking he was going to get an inside track to the Dream Team and it backfired.
Harrrumph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, Dave has put himself in inflammatory and controversial situations and positions a whole lot of the time. I comment at Dave’s on occasion – and I think there are some good folks over there. This is not anything I haven’t told Dave myself. I’m not one of his favorites but neither is that my goal anywhere I go.
Now that I think of it, I don’t have a goal other than to discuss the strange twists and turns of this case of a lifetime. Some of the coolest, smartest and funniest people I’ve ever met on blogs have been here and at Blink’s.
» FRG said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:38 }
Snip:
OCALA, Fla. — A young woman who was one of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse friends spoke exclusively to WFTV on Friday in her first one-on-one interview. She said Casey described how she used to knock her daughter Caylee out with chloroform.
FRIEND TALKS: Part 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/23175347/index.html
Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/23177092/index.html
……….watched some of her int. #1 with kathi belich ——-so far, don’t find her credible. especially the chloroform part..
.. in her interview—–she’s speaking perfectly fine english—-quite a lot of “big” words etc…
..yet, when asked :
kathi belich : ” now, investigators have asked you-you told them—you said kc used something to “knock caylee out”. “what was that ?”
..”ummmmm, i don’t know the word, i can’t say it, chloa? chlora?foam? i don’t know how to say it…”
——and then goes on to say she watches the case on the news ( surely—–then she’s HEARD the word chloroform MANY times.)
..she goes on to say kc told her ( loud and clear through the vent system ) that she put it on a “washrag, and held it to kc.s face..)
( i don’t think even kc is that stupid).
..”why?
..so she could out and party, and not have cindy babysit.
..”where was caylee when she did this with the chloroform?”
..i think at home, because they lived with kc’s parents.”
..( why chloroform caylee at home? in her own bed? so that you could go out—–and yet not allow cindy to babysit? )
..maya also didn’t want to ask kc too much about it, b/c she has younger siblings—-and just can’t believe things that happen to children…..
..( this from a girl who choked to death a 15 year old ).
» Willow said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:59 }
Willow, where has thou been? You were missed.
Backatcha Val.
Just a lil’ FYI.
I was looking up other 9th Court Circuit Judges on the advice of a friend. Lo & behold, MD has written about another one, Judge Belvin Perry, and claims chumminess with him, too. It was the third Google hit on the first search page:
Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. – little black boy
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2006/03/03/judge-belvin-perry-jr-little-black-boy/
Earlier today on Misc thread 8 KZ & I were doing joke letters to/from Casey. This was before the motion to recuse JS was filed. Guess what we’re all talking about.
Dear Casey,
Because you haven’t done anything mindblowingly stupid lately and the media seems to be focusing on Misty Croslin I thought I file a motion for a hearing so we can get your gorgeous face back on tv. Did these media morons forget who is the real celebrity here? Imagine focusing on that tweaker when we have you , Casey Anthony, Mother of The Year , sitting in jail due to the forces arrayed against you. Your parents are no longer co operating with sending the media into spasms of delight and Nancy has lost interest. Geraldo will no longer pay for my 5 star trips to New York. Let’s not forget the big picture here, my future as America’s best best defense attorney. Too bad you never wore a knit cap or I could’ve made a hell of a closing argument. Do you know what rhymes with duct tape?
Love & licorice kisses
Jose
Ellejay,
I watched those interviews, too, and agree with you. She is not credible.
And her chloroform story is NOT NOT credible/ possible. Merely leaving a saturated washcloth near Caylee’s face would not produce the results of a sedated 2 yo with a patent airway…able to be awakened at Casey’s convenience. No. NO. Not possible. Airway obstruction (with death), cardiac or respiratory arrest, or awakening of an under-anesthetized child (from evaporation of the agent) are the most likely scenarios. This is simply not a credible story. Chloroform is a non sequitur.
hahahaha Gracie. Hilarious!
Hi Potatohead. (OT) Are you the one who loves books? Val has a book club on the left now. You should post the Deavers novel.
Wow, your really not gonna post it huh, I only meant to make a funny,
THERE she is!!!
» Willow said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:59 }
Help yourself to beverages on the sidebar, Willow! 
Oops…the other left. The right!
It is hard not to have strong feelings about all of this. We want justice for Caylee and it is hard not to be biased while watching this circus. I think it is time to shoot an episode of “Family Feud”… (the Anthony’s v.s. the Croslins… ect.) I thank Val for the blog…it is going to be a l-o-n-g road before we see any justice. I am amazed by what shows up on this case in a week! I just don’t know what is going to give us peace of mind? The dp/lwop will not bring Caylee back…I think the only thing that would help is Ms. Anthony telling us what happened and why- but frankly, I don’t think she even knows anymore. I just wish that they would take her from her private cell…Caylee didn’t have any protective custody.
No, Horsefly, I’m not going to post it.
Yay!! Willow is back!! We missed you, sweet soul!
Willow! Thank you for the beverages, MUCH NEEDED!
KZ, I quit watching after a few– I don’t get it, not that everything Casey says is plausible, but using chloroform to drug Caylee while INSIDE the home so Casey can go party!? How much sense does that make? Really– as if nurse Cindy would never notice when she checked on Caylee, not noticed the smell that is so distinctive, not noticed the ultra-sound sleep. Unless Casey left the home after George got home from the late shift and finished his tv watching until bedtime late late late– so how much partying does that leave a girl?? Makes NO sense.
The point is not to be disturbed WHILE partying with child along, if anything. I’m not sure wftv hit a home run with this one, the girl is trying to help Casey come clean? Right– good Sam in the cause of justice. I’ll listen to more some other time to see if Belich asked her about her relationship/communications with Robyn and with her father. That might be interesting.
KZ said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 10:04:49 }
Hi KZ, yes. I think the book club is for NF only? That was my impression, although I do have a few NF favs to add.
Regarding the Motion to Recuse, there is quite a bit interesting of legal opinion & insight on a thread on WS for those who are rushing to make sense of this and catch up like I am tonight. Really opened my eyes to some of the reasons and outcomes that may result from from this.
It’ll tide you over until Silver reappers!
Ok, so MD communciated with the judge… well the defense had their side in communication with the judge too!!! Remember this one???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNr9ou50IM
I always thought chloroform was a short acting anesthetic? I read several places that without additional application it only lasts 2-5 minutes. Hardly long enough for Casey to have used it to put Caylee to sleep for long periods of time? It needs constant application with the ability to deliver it as a gas in order to make it last.
What Judge Strickland has done wrong? He ticked off Cindy for one thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNr9ou50IM
Kleat,
Whether Casey said it, or Maya embellished with something she heard or read in the media, my personal opinion is that if Casey ever used chloroform, she only used it ONE time, the first and only time. And IF she had access to chloroform AND used it, she fatally overdosed Caylee. The residue may be what was detected in the trunk.
The idea that she used chloroform in the Anthony home is sort of ridiculous. Casey could just slip out the door with Caylee asleep or awake in her crib, and G or C would have taken care of Caylee. There was no need for Caylee to be asleep if G or C was around. G or C had no expectation that Caylee would sleep soundly all the time. For all their faults, they knew what a normal 2 yo was like, and that includes “night parenting.”
Potatohead,
Be advised that I think you can only post once on the book club thread. Val is working out some technical issues! Give it your best shot!
Too many people want their 15 minutes and are getting it. Now it turns out that MD is buddies with no other than ME. ME turns out to have tried to “friend: Misty Croslin on facebook. I guess because her experience with Cindy Anthony was so positive she thought she’d give being an internet detective a try. We are all free to express opinions (especially here, VAL – YOU ROCK.) The internet has made the world the very small place and information is just a click away. This does not give people the right to interfere in criminal cases or insert themselves for fame & fortune.
lily said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 10:04:47 }
Yes, Lily, correct! A rag is not a precision delivery mechanism! (lol)
and one last thing, may it please the court?
TFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just an FYI to the new posters who are submitting posts, and which are not getting through because I won’t let them…
1. I don’t care what evil deeds you think you have on another blogger.
2. I don’t care what dirt you think you have.
3. No…this blog is not for some therapeutic release of pent up anger against another blogger.
No thanks, but no thanks….just stop submitting them.
In the motion filed to recuse Strickland the defense notes Casey’s $500,000 bond. IIRC, Baez appealed the amount of the bond twice was denied. JS comments with regarding Ms Anthony and the truth were related to what she was charged with at the time, you know, stuff like lying/obstructing an investigation into a 3 yr old. It was not in reference to her murder charge.
Cindy says no evidence, cadaver dog was wrong VS Judge Stan said ‘evidence is substantial’ and ‘circumstances… bizzare’… ‘past conduct difficult to describe and conduct is continuing up to and including this trial…. ‘and I have a problem with her continuing conduct and aid in helping this investigation’…’I have a real problem with that [cadaver dog evidence]. “I don’t see much of a willingness to help the investigation… there seems to be a willingness to HINDER the investigation”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjK7FSZV38
But, the defense mentions that the judge also says ‘the bond is way high’ but then, the judge says that the court can always reconsider if the situation arises, but then oops, the body was found.
Why doesn’t the defense just come up with the exculpatory evidence that Todd Macaluso talked about, and just end this whole thing?? It’s been a year since Todd sat in Baez’s lounge and said they might revisit the bond issue, but that never happened. Then Baez joked about the judge lowering the bond in one of the hearings recently– lowered to what? It’s already at ‘zero’– no bond.
Calm down, Gracie! Have a
if you’re not driving tonight! Toast Judge Strickland, who probably needs one or two with this case.
Come to think of it, toast Val, too. This was a testy dinner party for a little while tonight, and she is a wonderful and diplomatic host. Cheers!
Val,
Thanks. I wanted to briefly explain where I’ve been and why, on the chat. However weeping, however joyous. Peace always comes, and it comes from my faith in God. Perhaps I’ll do that here, now.
WSH, I’ve missed you.
As I recall we were talking, Kleat, about something, I don’t recall what, but I was switching between boards, focusing mainly on Aja, and J.J. Johnson.
He broke me. J.J. Seeing him so broken at the coffin of his little girl, who became one more senselessly dead little girls of so many, brought back to me all who have been lost in my life, who I so loved. My mother, who died when I was but 15. Two brothers, one but 18 months old, from neglect, pretty much, and the other was barely 18, from an overdose, and a sister who was also 18 when she was decapitated in an accident that involved a drunk driver. Her casket was the most beautiful rose color with silver hand grips, and of course, like Aja’s it had to be closed, and seeing such a casket with Aja, and seeing J.J. so broken, that’s when I broke, and just didn’t suppose that I could bear anymore, and right at the moment I wondered why the heck I was even subjecting myself to so much sorrow in my life that is so otherwise filled with life, love and laughter, and even in spite of Stephen whose life I fight for, on a near daily basis.
And of course there are so many more, such as my nephew and I hope no one who knows, who was there reads this now so that they might be reminded but, early one morning I stood on the side of a ND highway watching as the severed pieces and parts of my friends were searched for and bagged. They couldn’t even tell whose parts were whose and for more than week they were finding pieces of fingers and rotting scraps of flesh. I was a good kid. I didn’t party. If I had, I’d have been with them. A few names for the record, Barbara Wold. Earl Williams. The Greenfield sisters. There was only 1 survivor of the 7. The last time I saw Barbara she begged me to go with them. I just couldn’t. I still remember her face, her smile, the glimmer in her eyes when the car door she’d die in closed between us. Somethings you never forget. They all, but for Sharon, died playing chicken.
I had no intentions of coming back, or dealing with such issues as murdered and or abused children, not ever again. As a medic, an advocate, an abused child/spouse myself, who bears the scars and attributes life to the grace of God, I’ve seen and known my share, and enough was enough, I thought, but then — this is who I am. This is what I do. This is the only thing I know how to do and the only thing I do well, and I believe this is what God prepared me for — to care and take care, it’s the only thing I know to do.
Back when I worked rescue people would oftentimes ask how it was that I could do what I did — deal with all of the ugly that life has to offer, but you know it was what God prepared me for. I used to tell those who asked, “If they can bear it, I can look at it. If they can feel it, I can try to make it better.” And in my life I adhere to the principle, “do no harm”.
I wept for a while — days and days, and as I had not ever, having always had to be strong to get those who weren’t through. I cried for Aja. I cried for J.J.. I cried for Caylee, Haleigh, and every other child who’d ever felt fear, who’d ever felt pain, who’d ever felt alone, and I cried for J.J. whose image sticks to me like glue because he was robbed of something so precious, as so many are, and so here I am back among all of you who must be so rather like me, huh?
Willow
Let’s all raise a cheer to Valhall, forever may she keep us the straight & narrow. Good Health to you & yours Val.
*Val laces up steel toed boots and puts her foot down*
*lily pulls open drawers and trashes hall closet. Should she grab hub’s car keys and search the glove box?*
» WSH said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 04:04:08 }
Yes…you do it every day with your well thought-out, thought-provoking posts. Keep the donations coming. That goes for everybody.
I cancelled another domain I had for something I was working on with my daughter and moved what credits I could over to the server costs here. We’re paid up for the next year so all is good.
Kleat — I’ll take that drink now. And make it a double, will ya?
Oh great news, Val! When the trial gets closer please don’t be shy and just shamelessly tell us what you need, ok? Heck a lot of us spend more time here than you do! I sometimes feel like I’ve packed a bag and moved in.
» KZ said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 11:04:50 }
Calm down, Gracie! Have a Drink if you’re not driving tonight! Toast Judge Strickland, who probably needs one or two with this case.
Come to think of it, toast Val, too. This was a testy dinner party for a little while tonight, and she is a wonderful and diplomatic host. Cheers!
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Toasted before I saw your comment, afraid to start drinking, may not stop.
Val — love my Hinky hat.
and you.
Willow,
I’m glad you are back. *hugs* I have missed you.
Willow,
Thank you. Again, you were missed.
Willow – I was wondering where you’ve been when I checked in this morning after a long week. Hope all is ok?
Betcha, Willow!! Only if you wear your HH though….
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Hey Valhall
Just noticed you loved the book “Fingerprints of the Gods”.
My very own dog eared copy of this book is the reason I travelled to Mexico and South America in 1997. I walked the same path Graham and his wife did and wrote notes about all the sites in my copy of his book. I still read it to this day and it brings back wonderful memories.
Oh Willow….oh. I am so sorry for your pain..
Much as I was sorry to see you go/ take a break, who can blame you?
In my earlier life, I watched children die by the dozens, not from violence (except medical violence), but from disease, trauma, and medical intervention. It nearly stole my soul. There is nothing so painful as the death of a child, from any means. And now I am a mother, and the death of any child hurts me even deeper in my soul than whan I was not a mother. And my next daughter is in Russia, and may never come home, with the political events of the past week, so it’s been a hard week all around.
Thanks for coming back, Willow. I don’t have the right words, or eloquent words, but I’m glad you’re here. Really glad.
I need some time again, guys. But just a little while. Kleat, you just gotta get a hat!!! And I’m drinking all you got to offer!
God bless.
Willow, Fri nites are good, with a bit of humour and chuckles off topic too. If you look back, you will see that all started with Silver’s post about Val’s harumphhhh, and on it goes. Val thought wanted me to peek under a Scotsman’s kilt (I politely declined than you very much), and then there was a peek at a couple clips from Blazing Saddles, the classic ‘Harumphhhhh’ scene too. Val is busy sweeping some new posts inspired by today’s new motion and ‘bloggers’ topics, off the porch, and Silver was forced to leave early tonight by a big mean dog
(just kidding– not getting on big blue’s bad side!! )
And check the new icons– we need a ‘bat-a-ball’ though. That could come in useful.
Willow, come and go as you please– pick and choose your time and the bar is always open!! Harumphhh chuckles…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY
Kleat & Willow, KZ refrred to it as Improv Friday in mIsc thread #8. I raise a motion that we devote to Friday nights to just plain silliness & laughter . God knows we could all use some,lol
It seems that Judge Strickland was not the only one to deny a reduction in bond, at the end of this WESH interview, looks like other courts denied that possiblity too, and they would not allow this to go to the supreme court to decide as the defense wanted.
So they can not blame Strickland alone, his decision was upheld by the opinion of another court.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWjPMNJFzLM&feature=related
Gracie,now there’s an idea!
KZ said:
Thanks for coming back, Willow. I don’t have the right words, or eloquent words, but I’m glad you’re here. Really glad.
..i feel the same. know that you have people thinking about you, take care.lj.
@Kleat
» gracie34 said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 11:04:53 }
In the motion filed to recuse Strickland the defense notes Casey’s $500,000 bond. IIRC, Baez appealed the amount of the bond twice was denied. JS comments with regarding Ms Anthony and the truth were related to what she was charged with at the time, you know, stuff like lying/obstructing an investigation into a 3 yr old. It was not in reference to her murder charge.
A round of Tequila shots for everyone but an extra for Kleat for his Hinky AWard. Oh, and everyone put on your tinfoil hats.lol
Dave said, “ he’s a writer, I go to the hearings and write about it, he is surprised he says, and it is depressing that the defense has done this.
And he regrets posting on his blog about the Judge.
Seems he is always sorry after the fact, it would be much different if his site were private, but an open blog MUST be careful with it’s content.
Kleat said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 11:04:34 }
Love your synopsis of the evening’s festivities!
And Gracie…
great idea! Fun Fridays! (Casual Fridays? Kleat won’t be wearing a kilt….but maybe a blue ribbon?!)
We should meet for happy hour on Fridays! Wouldn’t that be a hoot of a thread?
Kleat is a he/him?
Kleat said :
Then Baez joked about the judge lowering the bond in one of the hearings recently– lowered to what? It’s already at ‘zero’– no bond.
..thanks for the memory, that was priceless.
..baez making a fool of himself——-just doesn’t get old for me.
..that was the chq. fraud hearing——when kc made her (fake) “heartfelt” apology to amy.
..however——now that have seen that she access to PLENTY of paper and pens—–could she not have WRITTEN an apology to amy long before then ???
Motion from October 2009. Change of venue based on national.local media/bloggers. This is a rehash of same motion under a different name. Only difference here is JS speaking with MD.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21293115/detail.html
BTW, can’t remember last time I saw (never) the prosecution team on tv giving interviews or taking media expense trips to New york or LA.
Hhhhmmmmm, maybe the defense team should withdraw as well? Mr. Mason should also remember the comments he made about Ms. Anthony and her defense team & parents before signing on to the ship of fools.
» KZ said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 11:04:11 } Fun Fridays! (Casual Fridays?
It was your idea KZ, and a great one at that.
Lily, you know better than that!! Ha!
Well, Kleat – I thought I did until Gracie said “his Hinky Award”. Whew! I seriously thought I’d gotten our girl bonding all wrong!
Gracie is messing with us.
There’s an even more in-depth 2 part interview series with Maya D. on the Channel 9
website. This is really absurd. First of all her inability to know how to pronounce the
word chloroform seems odd to me, maybe contrived to seem more authentic? And also
her being so appalled at Casey or anyone killing a child when…isn’t Maya in there
for strangling to death a 15 year old? This is just nuts. How is this person credible?
I can’t think anything but that wants to testify to get a reduction on her sentence.
And I can’t believe that even Casey is dizzy enough to give those kinds of details
to other inmates. Plus Maya’s coming forward after seeing Robyn will now get a
sentence reduction. Hinky.
Gracie,
“BTW, can’t remember last time I saw (never) the prosecution team on tv giving interviews or taking media expense trips to New york or LA.”
(PSSST, they were all wearing disguises)
You know, it’s possible to find funny as in rediculous things right in the media tour of the A-Team without leaving the topic at hand.
From late July, 2008. (imagine how they got on these national talk shows so quickly!! Less than 2 weeks!)
Larry King: Did you get a ransom note?
Cindy Anthony: No, it’s not that type of, uhm, kidnapping sir.
Cindy Anthony: That this person loves this girl and wants to have her as her own.
» lily said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:58 }
Well, Kleat – I thought I did until Gracie said “his Hinky Award”. Whew! I seriously thought I’d gotten our girl bonding all wrong!
Gracie is messing with us.
my apologies , mostly to Kleat. Typo. Please forgive?
Larry King: (he finally gets the definition right) So she’s a run-away with this child?
Cindy Anthony: Uhm… I believe so.
Ok– so why did Zany change her mind about keeping the child she loved? (this is when Cindy was thinking ‘Jesse’ was the nanny Zany)
Gracie, it’s confusing, my fault, bad nick, but I got stuck with it.
» Kleat said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 08:04:10 }
What shall I do to celebrate my very first very own Hinky Award??!!! (or is this not talked about in polite circles?? )
HUSH Kleat… I am so green with envy… So just be quiet!
Sorry Gracie. I thought it was funny! But it did make me wonder if I had totally missed something!
Can I be silly after I ask a few questions? Please?
I am wondering what Mason’s first moves will be if they do get a new trial Judge. I’d guess the first motion will be to get the DP off the table, to be ruled on by the newly seated Judge. Since they’d also have the opportunity to have past motions retried, which ones do you think they would submit first?
Totally OT, but I did have my silly giggle earlier while watching the Oct 09 video when Judge Strickland asked to have MD brought forward. Throughout that video KC is scribbling away frantically with a blue pen that is much nicer than her usual in-court cheapies. I had to wonder if it was the infamous super cool new blue Cookie pen?
Monica said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:58 }
Plus Maya’s coming forward after seeing Robyn will now get a
sentence reduction. Hinky.
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……i didn’t know that robyn got a reduction on her sentence.
..i did see it come out that robyn had idea$$$$$$$ on what to do with the letters:
Casey’s Pen Pal Tried To Sell Jail Letters
The inmate Casey Anthony wrote to behind bars tried to sell Casey’s letters months ago, but was unsuccessful.
WFTV has learned Adams tried to sell Casey’s letters to People Magazine and another media operation and that her lawyer insinuated the letters could be worth millions.
“One could certainly conclude that Robyn Adams was more interested in advancing her financial position than she was advancing the ends of justice,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.
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April 17, 2010 at 1:25 am
Hello all. I have been reading here for quite some time but have never posted; I have only posted at Blink’s site a few times. I haven’t read all of the responses yet so forgive me if I am repeating others thoughts on the new motion.
That being said, this is what I posted at Blink on Crime:
Well, now we know why Casey was so smug in her hearing where Cheney was introduced. Cheney came rolling in with his Foghorn Leghorn attiitude (sorry, cannot remember who gets credit for this description of Cheney. It wasn’t me, but it is perfect)and gets the defense all excited about someone who actually knows how to try a case.
This motion has Cheney written all over it, and this sad excuse for a defense team were all agog with Cheney’s new approach. I’m certainly not an expert, but the Judge’s opinion of blogs seems pretty irrelevant to me given the fact the the defense team before Cheney and the defendant’s own family are responsible for the over-involvement of the media.
In contrast to Casey’s exhuberance at the hearing where Cheney was introduced, in the more recent hearing after Casey’s jailhouse letters were released she was much more stoic and reserved. I think between the 2 hearings with the release of the letters Cheney figured out what he is really up against and clued Casey in on the reality of her situation.
Fear not folks… I don’t necessarily think that the dismissal of Judge Strickland would be all bad. It has been stated here and elsewhere that he is “more than fair”. I agree with this, and have complete faith that JS would do justice in this case. But where will Casey be if he is dismissed? How many judges are going to put up with the buffoonery (probably not a real word, but I am using it anyways)of this defense team?
I don’t think it will be a problem to get a conviction regardless of what judge is overseeing this case.
Gracie, I told you a few nights ago, “No Tequila!”
Oh, oh, oh, I got my Hinky travel mug today!
» lily said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:12 }
Sorry Gracie. I thought it was funny! But it did make me wonder if I had totally missed something!
Unless you peep under the kilt? Lol
I saw on JVM earlier that the defense is trying to get Judge S. kicked off the case because of him talking to Marinade Dave! Is this true? Wow!! Didn’t read all the way up…if it’s been discussed already, just ignore me.
Carpe Diem, lol ! Baez et al ~ reap what you sow.
Friday 5:00 p.m. filings have become predictable.
Dave K. got his 15 mins, and in doing so will now claim foul. Truly one of the most ludicrous cases, can you say appellate court…ha. Really, these clowns put the proverbial cart before the horse, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
» Ronda said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:51 }
In the immortal words of the Friendly Giant, go way way up.
No mas tequila? Oh, no! The only good spanish I know is bar spanish to get me through the resorts in Mexico. Mas cerveza and mas tequila, por favor? Gracias.
To the morrow, and to all a good night. Sleep tight and don’t let the bed bugs bite.
@Ellejay…I don’t know, I’ve seen it on several news sites that Robyn is now likely to
get some sort of reduction. One source suggested 6 months. But then again, you never
know with the media what’s ultimately accurate anymore…
Also…Robyn testified that Hernandez was the one who suggested to her that if she got
info from Casey she could use it to better her own case. That was why I wondered if
it had been a set-up. Especially because Hernandez is on paid leave now and wasn’t
dismissed. If a guard had set up something like that purely of their own accord
and acted to interfere with an inmate’s trial, for sure they’d be dismissed.
I just finished watching part 1 of the Maya interview. The most obvious question
she’s not being asked is “How can you be so morally outraged and hating of child
killers when you also killed a child?” She has no room to take the moral high ground.
She’s somehow rationalizing that she’s ok because there are other “worse” killers
who killed children younger than 15. The I’m ok you’re not ok game.
@Lily – dos tequila & mucho cerveza por favor.
Just had to copy and paste Cheney Mason’s comments in his OWN words BEFORE joining the defense team- Maybe when the defense team filed that motion about the blogs/media being bias and Casey not getting a fair trial they should have added Mr. Mason’s own comments to their exhibit! Hmmm- Here is what Mr. Mason said himself!!! Defense attorney Cheney Mason said “claims made by Casey Anthony and Baez that Caylee was alive will now work against them at trial.””Then all the talking, all the press interviews and the parents going on this show and that show and the lawyer going on different shows establishes they have NO credibility whatsoever,” Mason said. “You can pretty well predict there’s going to be a life sentence, either a plea and get it over with or have a circus trial and then be convicted and get life,” Mason said.”
Ok I just started part 2…she does ask her a little bit about her crime in part 2,
she rationalizes that it’s different because she was 17 and the victim 15 and then
adds that she has since changed her life totally by reading…and I’m assuming she’s
going to say the Bible and she says… “the entire dictionary.” How freaking bizarre!
Saved by the dictionary!
Oh, and thanks Gracie. Now I’ll have nightmares. The friendly Giant was the scariest show ever when I was a little girl. “Look up, way way up. Now here comes Rusty.” Now my daughter plays the FG tune on her recorder just to see me squirm. I only ever watched the end of FG because Mr. Dressup was on after. I
ed Mr. Dressup.
Little bit of Monica…sorry could not resist.
Insight to the hierarchy of prison, eh, bunch of freakin fruit loops! The one consolation~ Casey will face the daily prison rigors that so many are waiting to show her.
Good Night
I’m halfway into part 2 now and now have to give Maya some credit. Apparently she
had gotten away with the murder but turned herself in because her conscience got
the best of her. She would have gotten off completely and in fact the police didn’t even
believe her confession, she had to take polys and plead her case to prove it.
So…I guess she deserves some credibility after all. She seems to be trying to communicate to Casey that she’s going to prison for a long time no matter what,
so she’ll be better off now if she comes clean than if she tries to plead innocence
because the other inmates will see no remorse from her for a child murder and
give her Hell.
ISSUES
Whether a judge may post comments and other material on the judge’s page on a social networking site, if the publication of such material does not otherwise violate the Code of Judicial Conduct.
ANSWER: Yes.
Whether a judge may add lawyers who may appear before the judge as “friends” on a social networking site, and permit such lawyers to add the judge as their “friend.”
ANSWER: No.
I’ve posted in the comments section of Dave’s site before, questioning him as to why he seems to insert himself into this case in (what I think) are inappropriate ways. For example, relaying his brief conversation with JS and repeatedly bragging about it, interviewing people related to the case, searching out people that have little to no knowledge of the case and interviewing them and publishing it as something meaningful (i.e. some girl that also attended the “Anything But Clothes Party”…but didn’t actually really know Casey and had nothing important to share), presenting his blogging as “real” journalism (he never flat out says he is a journalist, but with the way he presents many of his blogs the implication is that he has written a researched news article, and he does things like attends the hearings and then “reports” on them). It’s not surprising to me that somehow he got in the midst of the Joy Wray drama and found himself in a published document of the case. And whaddya know- now he is in the middle of something else regarding the case, something even more significant.
IMHO people who blog (or comment on blogs) about this case need to have their head screwed on right. There needs to be a boundary between thoughtful analysis and commentary on the case and trying to become a part of the case. Bloggers can hurt the case if they are not wary of the boundaries between the bloggosphere (where everyone is entitled to express an opinion) and the real world. This case is NOT about the bloggers and they need to put their egos aside and avoid actions designed to make themselves feel important. This case is about justice for Caylee.
I wonder if the defense thinks they will get a “better” judge? I know JS hasn’t always ruled in their favor, but I think his rulings have- for the most part- been fair and impartial. It seems that Casey stands a good chance of being viewed fairly by him. Despite any personal opinions he may or may not hold about her guilt or innocence, it seems like applying the law is his top priority.
IMO MD’s repeated bragging of his ‘relationship’ with Judge Strickland whether just partially true & the rest embellished as I don’t believe JS called him will result in the Judge stepping down.
MD was warned this could happen & all he did was attack those who gave him the warnings as being jealous when in fact his ego took over & here we are. another setback imo, more taxpayer $$ wasted & the trial probably delayed past the March 2011 date if you can stand the thought, I can’t but gee thanks dave.
More quotes I found on google directly from Cheney Mason before he joined the defense team…He has nerve to call Judge Strickland bias…This is what Cheney Mason said: “Knowing what I know at this time, there’s not a snowball’s chance you know where I put her on the witness stand,” Mason said.
“Why is that?” Pipitone said.
“Well, because there’s so much to cross-examine her about,” Mason said.
“Do you just say, ‘The defense rests.’ Don’t even put on a defense?” Pipitone asked.
“There’s a good chance that would be the case,” Mason said.
BB12-Chris said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 02:04:39 }
Thanks so much for reposting the best parts of Nancy Botwin’s informative post/link here. I’ve missed her input and was delighted to read her legal insight again. You did a great job of summarizing, sharing and highlighting the best bits of her shared link:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5075758&postcount=267
These are indeed key issues that should be clearly presented by expert legals, so thanks again for sharing these issues forward with due credit to NB.
I think the appeal of the bloggosphere for these certain types of professionals is
that in order to achieve their position in life, they have had to live only entirely
IN THE BOX. The blog world represents the wide spectrum both plus and minus
of everything OUTSIDE THE BOX. In some ways it’s absolutely critical that their
world with its gravity of responsibilities stick to certain protocols which are
very necessary to maintain its standards and ethics. But in time this takes a toll
on them individually, on a personal level because they can’t experience all that
lies beyond. Nor can they tap any deeper creative potential because their world is so restricted.They’ve accelerated professionally but been horribly repressed and
deprived in many other ways and the blog zone is a safe albeit voyeuristic way
for them to speculate on what lies beyond. The more they advance and self-sacrifice
to achieve, the more desirable the forbidden fruit must become. Somehow there is
a happy medium that reconciles these two opposite worlds, but mainstream society
hasn’t evolved sufficiently yet to realize it.
Mistake #1 – Judge tells ego-deficient MD that he thinks his blog is the best he has read on the internet.
Mistake #2 – MD not only repeats this private utterance to other bloggers but exploits it for PR purposes.
Mistake #3 – Judge calls MD to inquire about his health.
So sad – too bad – an otherwise excellent judge will undoubtedly be compelled to recuse himself from presiding over the Anthony case.
Just an FYI on why the Timeline and Discovery has not been updated yet. It’s broken. lol I have asked for help to try to figure out what is going on with it. I may have to recreate the page in order to update the Timeline.
Sorry for the delay…but, there you go.
What’s behind the Motion to Recluse?
How would you personally react if someone noted that you had a great blog that was impartial and fair? Your ego would naturally be inflated and your chest would swell with pride. Don’t misunderstand me, I am in no way taking up for Dave’s over inflated ego which has placed him in the awkward position of interjecting into the Casey Anthony case; however, having said that, I can understand how flattered he was that Judge Strickland gave him a compliment.
The problem is that Dave bragged about it!
Judge Strickland is one of the most respected jurists in Florida. His rulings in this case have been fair and without prejudice, and that seems to have ruffled the feathers of the defense.
Would the defense be better off with another judge at the helm of this weighty case? No!
The defense for the better part of 16 months has seen firsthand how the judge rules in this case and they cannot find fault with those rulings so now they must find fault with the judge in order to move forward their agenda since all other tactics have failed.
One has to ask oneself WHY?
The only logical reason to have filed such a motion is because they fear the judge’s ruling on a particular motion will not be in favor of the defense.
Now enters Cheney Mason, an attorney with a fine reputation and an ego to go along with that fine reputation. Cheney is most likely on friendly terms (well perhaps not so much now) that in all probability he gave the judge a heads up that he was filing this motion. Judge Strickland most likely said something to the effect of “do what you feel you have to do”.
This same attorney who is now screaming “foul” has made some very damning statements against his own client: In an interview posted on clickorlandonews.com Mason stated: ….claims made by Casey Anthony and Baez that Caylee was alive will now work against them at trial.
“The most important thing is how did she die?” Mason said. They have no defense for the deeds that Casey performed and their backs are now up against the wall.
“Then all the talking, all the press interviews and the parents going on this show and that show and the lawyer going on different shows establishes they have no credibility whatsoever,” Mason said.
“You can pretty well predict there’s going to be a life sentence, either a plea and get it over with or have a circus trial and then be convicted and get life,” Mason said.
There are times when you open a door and on the other side facing you is a monster of your own creation. Seemingly pre-Cheney Mason strategy attempts to throw anyone and everyone under the bus did not work!
Baez was still pissed that the judge filed a grievance with the Florida Bar and with his new found partner who was opening chastised by the Judge conspired to take down this fair-minded judge and hope that the next judge did not rule according to the prevailing laws, but would rule in a light more favorable to the defense.
Obviously the defense wants this case tried in another jurisdiction and in my humble opinion I don’t think Judge Strickland would grant that motion.
Ergo the real reason for filing this motion is directly linked to a change of venue and this Motion to Recluse is simply another ploy to deflect another Motion Denied ruling.
Foxie
Source
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18268796/detail.html
Another FYI…I will not be writing an article on this particular motion. I attempted it this morning and could not write it in a manner that hides my personal feelings…which are not very pretty right now on this subject. So, this will be left to be discussed in this miscellaneous thread.
Also, I’ve made the decision that any comment with a link to Marinade Dave will go to moderation and I’ll decide if that comment will be allowed, and whether the link will be removed. It’s in the best interest of the blog since I can’t sit here and moderate the discussion all day – I actually have a life.
So anyways…carry on. I’m not sure I’ll have much more to say about this extremely foul-tasting situation.
Val – I can imagine what your feelings on this subject might be and while I always enjoy it when you post your no holds barred opinion, but I can see why ya might want to skip this one. This motion heated up the blog yesterday…it took me most of the night to catch up. Anyway…good to see ya back!
This was posted by MD on his blog yesterday at 9:18 pm:
“Let me say this… this is the biggest mistake a defense could make. I am going to write my side of the story tomorrow. The defense hoodwinked me. They used me to get at the judge and mark my words, Casey will regret the day she asked for his removal.”
It might be a good idea for him to be quiet right now, don’t ya think?
Casey Anthony: Defense team’s motion to remove Judge Stan Strickland draws withering reviews
Caylee and Casey Anthony, WESH, WFTV, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on April, 17 2010 6:55 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/04/casey-anthony-defense-teams-motion-to-remove-judge-stan-strickland-draws-withering-reviews.html
Snip:
“Casey Anthony’s defense team was getting bad reviews for filing a motion late Friday asking Judge Stan Strickland to remove himself from the case.”
karen lee said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 01:04:15 }
Oh, and thanks Gracie. Now I’ll have nightmares. The friendly Giant was the scariest show ever when I was a little girl. “Look up, way way up. Now here comes Rusty.” Now my daughter plays the FG tune on her recorder just to see me squirm. I only ever watched the end of FG because Mr. Dressup was on after. I Heart ed Mr. Dressup.
@Karen Lee – I loved Mr Dressup too, and Casey (not Anthony) & Finnigan. I did always think it was weird that Rusty lived in a sack & played the harp. How does a Rooster play the harp? Loved Jerome though.
Val said:
“They snagged a large-mouth bass with Dave.”
Oh, my, ha, ha, ha, LOL!! Good one, Val!!
….as well, someone that desperately wants to be a player, part of the “IN” crowd….Cathie Belich, Bob Kealing and MD!!
Perhaps theses allegations of judicial impropriety available for use by the defense are wholly figments of someones over-active, desperate for inclusion, imagination.
I guess we shall see.
… also meant to add and agree with those who have made the assertion – the only thing we can independently point to as fact at this juncture is that MD was called to the bench.
I don’t put a lot of stock in this blogger’s credibility….might we hear Judge Stan proclaim, “the truth and Marinade Dave are strangers?” Who, knows….just sayin’.
If I hear one more commenter refer to themselves as a blogger I will scream. If you go to someone else’s blog and post a comment you are not a blogger. You are a commenter.
Also by “commenting” in a forum such this we are not “INSERTING” ourselves into this case. If you make direct contact with any of the principals ie: Casey, The Anthony’s, The Prosecution, The Defense because you want to be an internet detective then you are “Inserting” yourself and your motives/actions are free game.
Actually, Gracie, while I agree with your definition of blogger in a historical sense, it has now come to be used in a broader sense – basically for anyone who posts (comments or otherwise) on a blog, discussion board, or even news discussion group.
It’s kind of a catch-all term these days.
I want to thank Val for diligently keeping the discussions on topic and civil. It is the reason that after coming here to read, I have stayed here. Thank you, Val. and also
Harrummmphhhh!
Thanks, Carolyn. I don’t always do a very good job, but I’m trying. And if my own emotions about a topic are running high – I do worse…lol.
But what can you expect from the only blogger who is now certified in Florida public records as the single example of an unfair blog?
Gotta keep up my reputation.
Dear Jose,
Yipee!!! Does this mean we might get to go to Miami after all? I could really use some sun & sand. Do you think this Marinade guy might be able to send me some food? I cannot wait to walk out of the courthouse free!!! BTW, I will be on your arm not Colonel Sanders , speaking of – can you bring me some KFC?
Love & Licorice kisses
Casey
“» Monica said: { Apr 16, 2010 – 09:04:55 }
@Jennyb: Maybe Mr. Marinade is not doing such a bang-up job of monitoring his
glucose levels and his brains are being pickled?”
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I have an 11 year old Granddaughter that was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at the age of 3. That’s not funny to me. We almost lost her 3 times. This last time her count was over 1,000.
But I will laugh to keep the peace.
….you was dissed, honey!! I’m confident however that the source will be considered and you, my dear, wholly exonerated!!
Val, if there is a more informative, balanced and intelligent blog on the web covering this case, I’ve not come across it!!
….of course, I was referring above to your comment, Val:
“But what can you expect from the only blogger who is now certified in Florida public records as the single example of an unfair blog?”
Shyloh said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 11:04:16 }
That was a little throwaway comment by Monica to my mention of diabetes in the midst of other great comments of hers.
Everyone here has a personal history. Any comment can be targeted because a poster knows someone who knows someone who is familiar with, or who has, a certain condition or disease or whatever.
The personalizing and acting all *miffed* every time a commenter on a blog says something that might remotely touch on someone’s personal situation is misplaced umbrage and is unfair. Neither Monica nor I are cruel or unfeeling people.
My point (and I’m sure it was Monica’s too) is that if Judge Strickland thought Dave was a professional journalist and has a code of conduct of when to keep silent and when to speak and how to deal with compliments — then he was way off base and sadly mistaken. And he’s paying for that lack of insight now.
And btw, in general, Dave’s ego is not too large, it’s pitifully small. I can’t imagine any professional in any field boasting and bragging about a thumbs up on his *work* the way he did. He needs a serious amount of attention and stroking and it is clear to anyone who reads over there for more than a second. JS should never have misjudged this character. It’s a crying shame.
Someone interested in journalism, in the purest sense, wants to be a “fly on the wall” and report what is seen and heard, but not interfere as to create or alter news. Generally, it is not done in the first person. If someone is expressing their thoughts and feelings abut a subject, then it is an editorial or an Op-ed piece. I don’t know what category the post about the judge might fall into.
The elements of journalism
According to The Elements of Journalism, a book by Bill Kovach and Tom Rosenstiel, there are nine elements of journalism [1]. In order for a journalist to fulfill their duty of providing the people with the information they need to be free and self-governing. They must follow these guidelines:
1. Journalism’s first obligation is to the truth.
2. Its first loyalty is to the citizens.
3. Its essence is discipline of verification.
4. Its practitioners must maintain an independence from those they cover.
5. It must serve as an independent monitor of power.
6. It must provide a forum for public criticism and compromise.
7. It must strive to make the significant interesting, and relevant.
8. It must keep the news comprehensive and proportional.
9. Its practitioners must be allowed to exercise their personal conscience.
10. Its the rights and responsibilities of citizens.
In the April 2007 edition of the book [2], they added the last element, the rights and responsibilities of citizens to make it a total of ten elements of journalism.
Okay, guys and gals, let’s stick to the matter at hand – which is not Dave’s diabetes or some poll on how big his ego is.
Just saying…stay on track here.
lol Val. Please remove my comment – I understand.
This is the doing of Cheney Mason, and he has a very good reason for doing this. He has someone in mind that will further his case. He is a smart man and has been practicing in this jursidiction for a number of years. I am not familiar with the judges there, but he knows that he will get a better shot with another judge. And, as has been suggested, I would not put it past Mason and the defense to buy their way to victory. This proves to me that they will stop at NOTHING to win this case. Scary!.
I would add, WSH, this – which is beyond journalistic practices and more of a basic common courtesy:
You don’t share the specifics – i.e. you don’t recount the words of another – in a one-on-one conversation unless you have looked at the other person and said – Do you mind if…[fill in the blank - I share this, I write about this, I tell my mom, I write a movie about this...whatever].
That’s something we all should have learned through the school of hard knocks back in high school – if not middle school or before. You just don’t do it.
» Valhall said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 11:04:26 }
Yes and there are “on the record” and “off the record” instances. You can share pleasantries with a politician running for office. You may think that this is a nice person. You don’t write about it in a piece if it is not part of the interview. However, you must write on the issues, actions, qualifications and positions of that person. You might not want to state in your story that Mr X liked your tie. I realize that here is a blurring of the lines between opinion and journalism, even in, or especially in main stream media.
Blogging is entire different animal and I would say is mainly opinion. But I’m not sure MD ever identified himself as a journalist. If so, he was mistaken.
» Linda Pope said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 11:04:31 }
This is the doing of Cheney Mason, and he has a very good reason for doing this. He has someone in mind that will further his case. He is a smart man and has been practicing in this jursidiction for a number of years. I am not familiar with the judges there, but he knows that he will get a better shot with another judge. And, as has been suggested, I would not put it past Mason and the defense to buy their way to victory. This proves to me that they will stop at NOTHING to win this case. Scary!.
That is why there needs to be a stop gap. Someone of a higher court should go through the issue and motives and make a decision. If it is found that the judge should be removed, so be it. But everyone knows what is behind this motion, and it isn”t sincerely about the appearance or reality of partiality. It is about loading the dice.
WHS……………. Wonder if Mike Brooks knows this one.
1. Journalism’s first obligation is to the truth.
I feel a lot of these people jump the gun when something comes up
they SKIM the papers and never actually read them.
Wow, this is a mess, huh? Should he have written about it? I don’t know. I commented on is blog today, and I am a regular, that he wasn’t compelled to answer questions to a PI and the PI was very sarcastic and why didn’t he catch on to that. I am interested in what he will write about this today. Now being a regular does not mean I “kiss MD’s or anyone else’s *ss”. Beleive me, when I do not agree I most certainly say so. So please those of you who hate MD and anyone who blogs there, don’t knock me down coz I post there. I read a lot of blogs and especially this one.
In regards to him having lunch: It was a SARCASTIC comment. That is how I took it at the time. And still do.
Any blog owner or blogger who says they would not mention that the judge spoke to them is full of baloney.
This case and the blogging it has spawned has brought out some of the worst of humanity.
If anyone is a t fault, it is the Judge. He would know best if that was a no-no.
I would like add, as an editorial, that I think Marinade Dave should think long and hard about writing any sort of rebuttal piece. Now is the time to seriously contemplate the importance of ego and explaining one’s self vs contributing further to the clusterfuck that this issue has become. He is not an expert in public relations ( clearly as demonstrated), and if any type of decision is to be made whether or not this judge will be removed from this case, then he needs to digest the gravity of the situation, and speak about it if needed in a court vs satisfying a desire to be understood at this point. Mark my words, if he writes a self-serving counter, it will only make the judge’s actions look worse.
People who write blogs are not journalists and would be surprised if they should be held to that standard.
» Linda From New York said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:12 }
Linda
I do not have a blog. If I did, I can sincerely tell you that I would NOT have shared all of the personal details of the conversation. It was not in any shape or form germane to the case. Would I have shared it with my friends, yeah.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/34478168/Casey-Anthony-defense-wants-Judge-removed-16-April-2010
Here is the actual motion. It appears “Marinade Dave” was speaking of Val and “The Hinky Meter” when he was talking to the PI.
If someone already posted this sorry for the double!
» Linda From New York said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:04 }
People who write blogs are not journalists and would be surprised if they should be held to that standard.
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Actually Linda from NY, there are journalists who blog but not all bloggers are journalists. There is a bit of a difference there.
OK, maybe I was hasty on saying “ALL” bloggers and blog owners. Sorry. But I beleive most would.
Linda,
I disagree with several points.
There’s a big difference between responding to a question in a comment conversation that “Yes, I did visit with the judge. He is a very cordial man.” And –
writing a blog article dedicated to giving a blow-by-blow accounting of the statements made in a private conversation.
And I assure you that I’m not full of baloney when I state – I wouldn’t have done it and didn’t agree when it happened. It’s now caused the issue many of us were concerned it would cause back when it was first written.
Hi Gracie, I was just talking about the bloggers who are NOT journalists. I am on the fence with should it have been written about. This is such a mess. I am just about completely sick of this whole case. But either way, no matter who the judge is, Casey Anthony will be convicted of murdering her daughter, no matter how may clowns/motions jump out of the little car.
» MLR said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:58 }
Yeah, it’s established. Just to set the record straight, I don’t give a shit what Dave’s opinion of my blog is. Nor do I think anybody cares (nor do I believe they should!) what my opinion of his is. This is not a matter of my opinion on Dave’s blog. This is about a specific set of actions by Judge Strickland and by Dave.
So – there you go. I could really get tacky about the irony and hypocrisy involved in him laying me out as his example of an unfair blog, but I won’t….I won’t because I’m just too damned unfair to do it.
OMG, Valhall. I am sorry I made such a broad statement. You are not “most”. I have the utmost respect for your site and all that you have written. My bad. Like I said I am on the fence regarding whether it should have been written about.
WSH, so well put!! It’s about “loading the dice.” You are ABSOLUTELY right when you suggest that someone from a higher court should step in. Could the prosecution or more importantly, JS make a legal request to have someone from a higher court, judicial committee, bar association??? step in and review the facts in this situation? This is very critical for so many reasons.
Bees, I didn’t follow any of the comments on MD, not ever more than a glance if at all and what I recall is something about Dave purportedly to be pro-Anthony. I did read an article or two or watch his video ‘drives’ but missed all the politics.
Could it be that MD was led into some commentary and reaction to help discredit him once this came out– targeted by the defense after the all so obvious call to meet the judge after the purple hair hearing? The defense could have been doing a little egging-on.
Yes, a mistake to let ego get in the way on this one and maybe feed into the defense’s own hecklers.
I understand, Linda. I’m not taking any of your statements personally, I assure you. I guess I’m trying to point out that there may be more bloggers who would not have written about the conversation in the detail Dave did than you may think. Because – again – it’s not just a question of journalism, it’s a question of courtesy.
Ivoire – LMAO!
Could you please take your medicine and try that again, maybe?
» Valhall said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:59 }
Val- Sorry! I did not read the whole thing, the part I was referring to was where he said there was another blog that was “scientific and really good” that was what I was referring to. I guess I should have read it further. Again sorry.
Val, I think MD was saying he thinks your blog is good, that was my impression from a first read, maybe wrong.
I don’t see how they have reasonably proven this statement: ” because his rulings contemplate media opinion and reaction and are biased in favor of media coverage…”
Strickland never claimed he made any decisions based on any opinions that MD made. He never called MD about specific articles. The phone call was not about anything that MD wrote or was going to write, but rather about his health. Who knows how long Strickland kept up with the blog. He may have seen a select set of articles at the onset and never revisited them. There were scores of blogs and articles written about the fairness of the judge. If he was so media-crazed, why hadn’t he reached out to those, as well? I don’t read many of MD’s blogs, but he may have written something about innocent until proven guilty, and that could have been something Strickland considered fair and balanced. The defense appeared to cherry-pick an article. Do we know if Strickland read that one? I’m not saying that Strickland was correct in calling MD up, but who knows what article he commented on?
If the court can reasonable ascertain what article was read and if it is in fact balanced, then does that show that Strickland is impartial?
» MLR said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:43 }
No apologies necessary, and it’s not a matter of “reading further” it is a matter of taking the reference to me and this blog in the context in which it was made. He is asked if there are blogs out there that are unfair and it is mine that he offers as an example.
It would appear that MD said that your blog was good. That and $3 + might get you some java at Starbucks.
Geeze, I misread or didn’t read fully enough for context on that point either, those motions take a couple of read throughs and I was light on the reading of that one.
gracie34 said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 10:04:54 }
If I hear one more commenter refer to themselves as a blogger I will scream. If you go to someone else’s blog and post a comment you are not a blogger. You are a commenter.
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I’ve been following many blogs going back to 1999-2000, and not until I began reading comments on forums discussing the Casey-Caylee Anthony case did I see anyone refer to a comment as a “blog.”
The established terminology is (or was):
Blog – short for weblog, is the name of the website as a whole, which always consists of front-page entries posted in reverse-chronological order. A blog can be a purely personal journal/diary of the owner’s private musings and activities. A blog can be an ‘event blog’ dedicated to a single subject (like a presidential election). A blog can be a group blog in which there are two or more “owners” on equal administrative footing who post on a common subject area (religion, politics, parenting, etc.)
Blog – also refers to each individual, front-page entry/post that appear on the front page of the blog. Only the owners or ‘guest bloggers’ or ‘assistant bloggers’ (people other than the blog’s owner(s) who have been granted administrative access and have front-page posting privileges) are able to post blogs. The blogs on The Hinky Meter have been posted by Valhall (owner/blogger) and JWG (guest blogger).
Blogger – the name of the owner(s) of the weblog/blog/website as well as anyone else with administrative privileges that allow them to post entries on the front page of the weblog/blog/website at the discretion of the owner.
Commentariat – People like me who post comments on the comment threads. What I am writing at this minute is not a blog but a comment.
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It was massively confusing to me when I began commenting on this case online in September 2008 because when a commentator referred to “the blog I wrote yesterday,” I looked for a link to his or her weblog. It took a while to figure out that people were referring to comments as blogs and to the act of leaving a comment as blogging.
It is irritating to me because the loss of language precision is, to me, always regrettable, but on the other hand, English is a living language, and blog/blogging is a relatively new activity, so some fluidity in terminology is to be expected. I would not personally be irritated if the blogging lexicon were expanding to include more precise terms and definitions; the loss is that the precision in terms and definitions that did exist have been lost. IMO, “blogging” is currently a meaningless term because it’s just a trendy way to refer to any participation in an online discussion.
Maura
You are a gem. And that cracked me up.
Maura,
Thank you, again you are far more eloquent than I could be.
Read somewhere upthread a comment about fair & balanced. (Val possibly). Now if I really want fair & balanced I will watch Fox news.
kidding, of course
Maura said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 01:04:13 }
I agree. What bothers me is that it takes something away from the genuine authors on a blog. Those who write the articles that stir our thoughts in the first place.
I’ve ranted about it frequently, but your post above was much more eloquent. You should write a blog.
To: jennyb said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 11:04:43 }
I don’t know when you’ve ever been more eloquent. Thank you.
Minimally, any defense motion that claims some state, prosecutor, jailer, OSCO employee, utilities employee, search organizer, impropriety or bias, gets out into the jury pool. Especially when the jury pool might be voting for a judge (if this is how it happens in Florida). The jury pool has this knowledge of alleged bias in their minds, it can only help the defense even if this is as far as it goes.
I hope I don’t get moderated for saying this, but am I the only one who is not only angry at md but has a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because of what he most likely caused. A major setback an it would not have happened if it were 99.9% of other bloggers out in the vast blogesphere.
Most would have had more ethics, common sense he single handely destroyed this Judge’s stellar career, lifelong work. And before that did some horrible things to others over minor disagreements.
I’m not gloating that I personally warned dave his actions would backfire, I’m in a really dark place today knowing the damage he’s done Judge Strickland & the case over his need for attention & that inferiority complex that he can’t seem to shake. Plus let’s face it, he’s the meanest blogger around, if you cross him he’ll do everything in his power use that blog as a platform to destroy you.
I’m not angry at Dave, I’m sick & upset at the effects his deplorable behavior will have on this trial.
Jennifer,
Don’t blow this out of proportion. Judge Strickland’s career is not destroyed. In fact, I would venture to predict his record and reputation will come through this unscathed.
Linda From New York said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:12 }
If anyone is a t fault, it is the Judge. He would know best if that was a no-no.
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Why are you so quick to blame the judge? We do not know why MD was called to the stand, and we do not know what he said to MD. We do not know that he called MD on the phone. We only know what MD wrote.
I have never heard the judge tell a lie, but I have heard MD tell lies and falsify (SirJef)
This is what MD has said, so far, about this topic (still dropping “teasers” enticing people to read upcoming posts. Remarks are very similar to media interviews he has already done. Can’t wait to read his “fair and balanced” rebuttal…
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• Marinade Dave // April 16, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Let me tell you something, that defense investigator came swarming around me last week and I told them they were going after the wrong guy. What a stupid mistake that idiotic defense is making. To replace Judge Strickland is a death sentence, for sure.
• Marinade Dave // April 16, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Let me say this… this is the biggest mistake a defense could make. I am going to write my side of the story tomorrow. The defense hoodwinked me. They used me to get at the judge and mark my words, Casey will regret the day she asked for his removal.
• Marinade Dave // April 17, 2010 at 11:16 am
I am in the process of writing a rebuttal to all of this mess.
Wasn’t it Mason who got the astronaut off with a only a slap on the back of the hand for traveling all the way to FL in a diaper in order to kill the “other woman”?
They even had video of her stalking her prey at the airport and her kidnap/torture bag full of goodies.
Yet somehow the astronaut walked out of court that day into the sunshine and my jaw hit the floor.
Dear Casey,
Told you my plan would work. Cheney & I filed the motion in person together at the courthouse on Friday just before the courthouse closed for the day. Now instead of everyone talking about some mistruths and half truths, your frantic, intrepid search for Caylee and your lovely tattoo they are picking on the Judge. Those hateful bloggers who are not appreciative of you Mother of The Year skills are now fighting amongst themselves instead of spending hours & days pouring over evidence. Thank goodness you had the foresight to pose for those pictures at Fusion while going undercover during your search.
Please, darling sweetheart, try not to do anything else mindblowingly stupid other than what you have accomplished so far.
Love & Licorice Kisses
Jose
ps: Did you come up with that rhyme for duct tape yet?
Here is Marinade Dave`s response to how he got blindsided by the defense.
[LINK REMOVED BY VALHALL]
Brenda said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 04:04:33 }
Wasn’t it Mason who got the astronaut off with a only a slap on the back of the hand for traveling all the way to FL in a diaper in order to kill the “other woman”?
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Donald Lykkebak was Nowak’s attorney
That Dave must be pretty dumb if the defense investigator “hoodwinked” him. Someone from the defense comes around asking questions about your relationship with the presiding judge and any remarks that judge might have made to you. Come on! Wouldn’t a red flag go up with you immediately? And, I agree with Val. A blogger has a certain ethical responsibility, and he should have kept his private conversations with JS to himself!
» Foxie said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 07:04:30 }
Cheney is most likely on friendly terms (well perhaps not so much now) that in all probability he gave the judge a heads up that he was filing this motion. Judge Strickland most likely said something to the effect of “do what you feel you have to do”.
Foxie
I wonder if the confidential meeting behind closed doors was a heads-up. I thought it might have been about looking into a plea, but I think you may be onto something here.
The rebuttal is a doozy. Oh Dave. Dave, Dave, Dave.
I think I’ll just sit here in the corner and zip my lip.
» PotatoHead said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 05:04:08 }
Thanks for the update.
Jose,
You know that I
you
and believe you are true
please sneak me some fudge
then go file a motion; get rid of this judge.
you said you would get me out of this scrape
I dont know nothing of henkle duct tape
I searched for Caylee for 31 days
and I managed to do so; between many lays.
I looked for Zanny up and then down
even at Fusion and out on the town
Please please hurry Jose, my dear
Im getting quite bored with no bestie in here.
Casey
PS. Can you get me an agent for my book of poetry?
Thanks for the laughs & the poetry. Sorely needed today by many, I’ll bet.
I want to buy stock this weekend in shovel manufacturers. There are a lot of deep holes being dug and manure being scattered around. Must be a big shovel sales on at Lowe’s?
It’s so ironic and not missed on anyone, I’m sure. The one blog that Baez accuses of being pro-Prosecution is the strongest pro-Defense Blog that I’ve ever read. MD consistently stuck up for the Anthonys/Defense, like I said, more than any blog I knew about. It’s obvious now that not one member of the Team could have read anything concerning MD’s opinions on the case!!!
» nom de plume said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 03:04:18 }
Linda From New York said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:12 }
If anyone is a t fault, it is the Judge. He would know best if that was a no-no.
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Why are you so quick to blame the judge? We do not know why MD was called to the stand, and we do not know what he said to MD. We do not know that he called MD on the phone. We only know what MD wrote.
I have never heard the judge tell a lie, but I have heard MD tell lies and falsify (SirJef)
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If Judge Strickland never called on MD in the courtroom that day, none of this would be happening. I wasn’t quick to blame the judge. Does he not bear “some” blame in this?Either way, it is too late. The motion was filed. If it wasn’t this it would be something or someone else. I do agree, MD was hoodwinked not sure why he did not pick up on this, I have asked.
Signs Point To Caylee’s ID After Remains Found Near Anthony Home
Measurements, Hair Color Similar, Attorney Says
POSTED: Friday, December 12, 2008
UPDATED: 9:13 pm EST December 12, 2008
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18268796/detail.html
Snip:
“Experts Discuss Discovery Of Remains
Pipitone also discussed the finding with a former prosecutor and a defense attorney, and the impact the discovery could have on the Casey Anthony case.
“What does it do to the state’s case now that there’ s a body?” Pipitone asked former prosecutor Elizabeth Rahter.
“Oh, it hugely bolsters the case. A jury is always a little reluctant to convict because they don’t want to convict an innocent person. Absolutely you would not want to do that. So now, there’s going to be no doubt that she’s dead,” Rahter said.
Defense attorney Cheney Mason said claims made by Casey Anthony and Baez that Caylee was alive will now work against them at trial.
“Then all the talking, all the press interviews and the parents going on this show and that show and the lawyer going on different shows establishes they have no credibility whatsoever,” Mason said.
The testing of the remains could be the key to the case.
“The most important thing is how did she die?” Mason said. “It could have been an accidental death — and we’ve talked before — an improper disposal, it could have been a brutal homicide. We don’t know, and until the medical examiner is finished and renders a report, no one is going to know.”
Rahter said an accidental death would be hard to believe.
“What would a reasonable person do in the case of an accident? Call 911 or call your parents or call a close friend. Do you go borrow a shovel from a neighbor, probably not?” Rahter said.
Mason said an insanity defense would be even more difficult to prove, Rahter said.
“It’s really difficult to be not criminally responsible. You have to prove they know right from wrong and they understand the consequences of their actions. Obviously, Casey understood the consequences of her actions because she worked really hard to cover it up,” Rahter said.
If the case plays out how many think, the experts agree on what will likely happen.
“You can pretty well predict there’s going to be a life sentence, either a plea and get it over with or have a circus trial and then be convicted and get life,” Mason said.
“Yeah,” Rahter said.”
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Val,
Isn’t that funny how CM have changed his mind now? Good Lord.
Awesome job Busta Rymes!!!!!!!!!
» RhymingDuctTape said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 05:04:11 }
» Valhall said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:59 }
» MLR said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 12:04:58 }
Here is the actual motion. It appears “Marinade Dave” was speaking of Val and “The Hinky Meter” when he was talking to the PI.
If someone already posted this sorry for the double!
Yeah, it’s established. Just to set the record straight, I don’t give a shit what Dave’s opinion of my blog is. Nor do I think anybody cares (nor do I believe they should!) what my opinion of his is. This is not a matter of my opinion on Dave’s blog. This is about a specific set of actions by Judge Strickland and by Dave.
So – there you go. I could really get tacky about the irony and hypocrisy involved in him laying me out as his example of an unfair blog, but I won’t….I won’t because I’m just too damned unfair to do it.
Yeah Val, I’m glad your not going to stoop to MD’s level. I tried to read there once and I just couldn’t. I think I can speak for all of us who read here daily that what you write is very well researched and thought out. I love the humor that is here as well as we go through these horrible cases. There is just something here that is nowhere else and I am a die hard fan.
As for Judge Strickland. I don’t give a hoot what he reads as I don’t think it will sway him from upholding the laws of the land. It wasn’t as if he was hiding under his bench when he wanted to talk to MD. I wish the hell that the defense would read some of the great blogs out in cyberspace they might get a clue. Personally I think the defense should be in the same cell as KC is so that she can talk them to death.
» Brenda said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 06:04:04 }
IMO MD is a hyprocrite of the worst kind so I don’t take much stock in anything he has to say. As proof I’ll offer up his newest self-serving post today in where he basically insists people shouldn’t be judging him and calling him names while he judges and bashs everyone else calling them all kinds of names. ~sighs~
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Well. I’m from Canada & I think up here we call that a hypocrite. If you are from Quebec they may call it something else but non parlez vous francais
Help? Am confused.
Today MD repeated one of the statements he had made weeks ago with regards to the “besties” all going for lunch together.
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He said then, “I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.”
AND NOW TODAY HE WRITES, “Now, I am reading that people actually believe this to be true, as if we really did sit down together at a Waffle House and pass the syrup.”
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HUH? What the WHAT???? Well, yeah, actually I did. Didn’t everyone??? Did I miss something? Help???
» Bees Knees said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 07:04:07 }
You can’t believe everything you read.
And Bees Knees – you hit the nail right on the head. That is EXACTLY why anything Marinated Dave writes should be taken with a grain of salt. Pure puffed-up, self-important fantasy. I hope that the Judge uses that very post as an example of MD’s credibility.
Now I have the feeling that I must have imagined MD patting Baez on the back and slipping him his business card a few weeks ago. Did that really happen? Or are we all under some mass hypnosis? I’m on shaky ground here. I THOUGHT I saw that but now . . . well, who knows?
And just when I felt myself slipping away through the looking glass into a world where up is down and visual and audio records words that were never spoken (or typed). Just when I was starting to get dizzy with all this weirdness, of statements never stated, I finally came upon words spoken many, many times before and once again I was on solid ground and able to gain strength by the familiarity of his mighty words.
Classic Marinade (to the bloggers he so cherishes):
Nothing has changed from Thursday to yesterday because you were already filled with the stench of hatred. Whatever gets your jollies off.
To the morons who call me an Anthony lover, no doubt you passed it on by. Idiots.
But, wait a minute. Why is he mad at the people online who have been reading his words and actions? Shouldn’t he be addressing those issues with the Judge? Not us. Why is he yelling at us? Misplaced anger?
Whoa….i am catching up here…..
Now….why would Dave Knechel have ANY conversation with an INVESTIGATOR …I mean you should not do this SHOULD NOT….
Did he get hooked in by some sort of “slick” investigator. Did his ego get in the way?
I follow this blog and am usually waaaaay behind…
(hi Kleat….mu…wah)
It is not obvious to me that MD was referring to The Hinky Meter as an example of an unfair blog. Lyons did not report the rest of what MD said, but from what is included in the motion . . .
JL: Does that mean he thinks the other people are unfair?
MD: A lot of them are, I mean, a lot of them are . . . . like there’s another blogger with a lot of a scientific, from that kind of standpoint, and, uh, she is really good . . .
. . . it’s possible MD was pointing to Valhall as an example of a rare blog that attempts to take an objective view of the discovery (“she is really good”
as opposed to “the other people” who do not attempt to take an object view of the discovey.
An old saying for MD to consider: Any dog (read: PI) that brings you a bone (strokes your ego) wants to take a bone (your info) home with him…
That poor man posted his version of “Under A Microscope” – penned in a very similar style – something is not right, but I’m not wasting amymore of my time on it. OK, I’m going to sit in a corner with my lip zipped, too.
zipped lip and a sore spouter – a little bag balm should fix that right up.
» Chat Lunatique said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 08:04:18 }
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I think actually Baez said it best (the only time I’ll give him credit) when he said
“Zip it”
You know, MD is his own worst enemy. If you’ve read his blog today you know he’s STILL wearing his special cloak of entitlement and teasing us when he tells us he has information that he cannot share with us right now. Reminds me of Baez saying he coudn’t tell us why Casey was innocent but the day would come when we would understand. BALONEY!!! Oh yeah, and all the other medias have befriended him, he says. I guess they would share the same “journalist” problems. Ha ha ha ha ha.
MD says, “I never looked for trouble. I was blindsided by the defense, but let me tell you, the words of encouragement from all of the media personnel who interviewed me yesterday kept my spirits from sinking into an abyss because of this mess. They helped me tremendously by offering their support behind the scenes. Believe me, there’s more going on behind these scenes than any of you can imagine and that’s just the way it is, believe me or not.”
Oh, he is so behind-the-scenes and in tight with media that again he teases us and reminds us that he’s on the inside. He’s got privileged information and he may share it with us. Or not.
Where I come from it’s called hypocrite as well. That was a typo and I occasionally have a few of those here and there.
» Bees Knees said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 08:04:47 }
You know, MD is his own worst enemy.
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Exactly, he could have closed the door and not invited him in. MD says he saw it as an opportunity. That says it all.
Just read MD’s latest post.
Ok…Like he talked to an INVESTIGATOR from the Defense….and thought he could influence Their View on the case?
His name is Jerry (or Jeremy Lyons) any relation to Andrea Lyons?
He was Smooth As Butter….No crap…they all are.
And he yakked.
Guys….If any of you are ever involved in a Legal Case….Dont EVER talk to a PI…without calling a lawyer, your best friend, a priest or all of the above.
What was he thinking???
My interpretations of MD’s “explanation” of his side of the story ….
Whaaa whaaa whaaa they were mean to me! That mean investigator man MADE me talk … and talk …. and talk …. and talk ….. everything was OK when he was telling me how wonderful I am …. but then instead of letting me bask in my greatness, he flipped the script on me and used my words against my good friend Judgie pooh. All you lowly followers of mind … sick him – that mean investigator man. Poor me … I am so picked on …. now what will my legacy be among the wonderful journalists on this story? How will this all affect ME …. ME …. ME …. ME….. oh yeah, don’t forget … I am GOOD … I am wonderful …. I am the only really fair and balanced “reporter” on this story … the Judge said so. My journalist friends will tell you how wonderful I am too. We have secrets that only the special people have. I can keep those secrets …. but anything that involves me tooting my own horn, I just have to share with my devoted followers and readers. And no matter what …. let’s not talk about what I have done to any bloggers who have made me angry and hurt my feelings – that was just something I “had” to do, because they were picking on me. I’m so misunderstood. Keep talking about me though – keep visiting my site and giving me hits on my blog, which feeds my ravenous ego and helps me feel important. Anybody who does not agree with me is just a stupid idiot. So there.
I always miss all the fun….caught up on last nights posts this Am and spit into ma coffee. All the regular suspects posting….what do U guys think Tonight about his rebuttal?
This
Erm do you get the concept of tounge in cheek?I read the blog about M.D. lunch in the waffle house with the defence team an Judge Strikland ect an I think Chenney or Lyons suposeadly paid the bill an left a massive tip.It was not a factual report .Rather a light hearted what if scenerio ment as a massive raspberry to those critisiseing him an his aleged closeness to certain players in this case.If anyone actualy belives that blog was based in actuall events then I have a bridge over the fourth river the fourth rail brige excellent condition for sale only one previous owner an old lady who only used it on sundays any reasonable offer considered…….
ECO…..
I dont think he has this type of ….well …subtle ability…
He seems like a nice guy. I like his Real Voice better than his posting voice.
Earlier in the case he did some nice videos of the crime scene. Things I would want to do but didnt….
Yes Brenda it was Cheney Mason that got Nowak cleared of even a felony count on her record!! Yes, they had videos of the woman at the airport. Incredible!
Chat Lunatique said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 08:04:30 }
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gracie34 said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 08:04:44 }
Ditto. I have been biting my tongue all damn day, knowing full well when I should zip my own lips. I have nothing nice to say today. Not a thing.
I like it here in the corner. It’s cozy.
I always miss all the fun….caught up on last nights posts this AM and spit into ma coffee. All the regular suspects posting….what do U guys think Tonight about his rebuttal?
Tatoe?…why in the corner? Jest aksin…
This
Thinker, ha ha ha . . . you’ve captured the true essence of the man!
Hi ThisBe,
Because I am afraid of my own snark today. I’m pulling a Thumper and just keep repeating, “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say nothing at all.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGt9jAkWie4
My tongue has teethmarks in it.
Gotcha and Thanks for ‘splainin it to me.
I follow this Blog daily and know the cast….Just dont post much outa time and opportunity. I missed out on last nights…well… fun fest …Kleat in a Kilt with Martinis. and everyone digesting old Marinade’s adventures with the investigator.
You could not Make Up anything more bizarre than this case.
WSH said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 11:04:30 }
WSH, if only those things were so! As part of the media I am ashamed to say the elements of journalisom are more accurately described as “Don’t let the facts stand in the way of a good story”. I promise you, most journalists have probably never heard of the book you mention and would give those elements no more than a passing glance. Editors don’t want that sort of copy, journalists don’t want to provide that sort of copy, and readers don’t want to read that sort of copy. One office my husband (who is also a journalist) worked in had a big sign up that said, “Make it First, make it Fast, make it Accurate, and then, Make it up”.
Believe me when I say, ethics plays little or no part in reporting. There are fantastic journalists who care a lot about what they put out, but the facts rarely, if ever, stand in the way of a good story. That’s why reading actual, factual documents is so incredibly valuable.
Don’t want to start a fight, don’t want to insult my fellow journalists, and I’m just catching up with what’s going on, but I had to chuckle at the elements of journalism, as they simply do not figure in the ‘real world’.
» Thisbe said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 09:04:06 } what do U guys think Tonight about his rebuttal?
@Thisbe – methinks MD has the softest shuffle of all, read my comment in JS thread.
Thanks Gracie34…will do…
Last nights reading was a hoot…gotta tell ya….almost as good as the night that we all were introduced to River et al.
Okay, onward and upward people.
1. You can’t get the answers to your questions concerning Dave here. So no need to ask them.
2. Please don’t copy paste from his blog.
3. Let’s move on.
For the record. I post here and at Blink’s. Any other Shelly’s out there posting are not me. This whole fiasco has brought me out of being just a lurking reader (for many months) to post.
I fully believe that the internet and the blogs do help find missing loved ones. I read the post MD put up and cringed again. This is not helping us find justice for Caylee or Haleigh or the many cases good blog owners put up to help find either the missing loved one or the person/person’s who have killed loved ones.
Lending to the circus atmosphere surrounding some cases is not helping one bit. I am a grown woman with a brain and can read and discard things posted with no facts to back them up. I have learned to look for certain bloggers names on sites to read to help me understand the complicated facts of things.
This weekend’s fiasco is absolutely very sad. A family member is clerk of court and she is witness to the fact that a lot of the older judges do not have internet experience in searching and reading blogs or finding information. So who knows about Judge Strickland’s experience in reading all the blogs?………….
That Val’s blog was mentioned is sad to me. But, I am sure enough prosecution and defense members do have the internet knowledge base AND when they read here they either high five or cuss one…..depending on which side of the fence they are on.
JMO
Oh Bees…Kinda figuring this out now.
I have an uncanny ability to read between the lines and I can see this sort of witlessness about him. Appreciate the info and your view.
Night…and am looking forward to reading more of your posts as this fiasco goes on.
Ok Val…..I dont know how to copy and post elsewhere. I’m always behind anyway.
My life theme has always been..”I’m so far in front, I think I’m first.”
In answer to I like to bend pages who speculated that Chenney may want to remove Judge Strikland because they are going to dismiss the jury an go for a bench trial.And they think another Judge may be more open to there defence.Its my understanding that if the defence goes for the option of a trial by Judge rather than Jury three Judges then sit in judgement over the case.Im no expert on the American legal system though an it may be different in certain states.
I am here almost every day, having lurked for a veeeery long time but never posted. I am in awe at the amount of knowledge and feel I could never live up to that! But tonight, I risk being banned from a blog that I have enjoyed and faithfully visited daily because I feel so compelled to respond.
I have always felt that the Hinky Meter is in a class all its own w/ intelligent blog topics, excellent conversation in the responses, and always remaining focused on what this case is really about–a beautiful little girl.
I don’t think saying degrading remarks about another person helps bring justice to Caylee is any way, shape, or form. She was so full of love, despite that her mother didn’t want her. I can’t help but feel that Caylee would never have wanted such hateful things being said of another person on a website that was created to bring people together, united in hope. I cannot fathom why you posters, in the past hour or so, have come here tonight, so full of vile and hatred. It takes away from all the hard work done by Val and all the others here and makes this website resemble a NE message board.
I know little Caylee smiles down on each of you every time you pour your heart into research, write the blog, write your responses, etc. because you are still fighting for her.
All of you–Val, WSH, Jennyb, maura, and every poster here–fight for her by contributing in your own, individual ways, for the wrong she edured on that July day, and continues to endure to this very day. The amount of work each of you put into this website is one of the most selfless, beautiful things I have ever witnessed in my 39 years here on earth.
Caylee lives on in each one of you and as long as you keep her in your hearts and her memory alive, she will live on.
Thank you, to each and every one of you, who work so hard for her, day after day. Your hard work is appreciated by so many who also want justice for her.
» Thisbe said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 08:04:33 }
Whoa….i am catching up here…..
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23176762/detail.html
..page 5 interview between j.lyons and mD.
..interesting—– on page 4, cheney mason uses his ‘official’ c.mason notary stamp/seal—–which shows that it expired back in november 2009—-while “stamping” an official document april 2010.
..does using an “EXPIRED” notary seal , mean anything to the validity of the document ?
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@ Willow:
Read your beautifully written post about your reasons for taking a break and I just want to acknowledge that I read it, and I felt it, and I am sending you hugs!
And Val – what a great gal you are and this was the pleasantest read on a blog on a controversial topic I have ever had the pleasure to experience. It was zipping and zinging and varooming around and yet…it stayed nice. It stayed pleasant. It stayed on an even keel. Kudos to you and to all “commentators” who took the high road.
I have never heard that you had to have three judges if a defendant chooses a trial by judge rather than a jury. At least not in Texas and not in my life time so far.
When you choose a judge in deciding your guilt or innocence you’re more likely to get a lighter sentence than you do with a jury trial. A judge has seen all kinds of people and the terrible things they’ve done, so their not as shocked as twelve people off the street would be.
I was wondering if this would be one more tactic used by the defense to try to keep Casey off death row. I expect Casey to drag more people down. I try to think of what the defense will try next, and each time I’m amazed at how low can you go for a killer, and then I think of how the victims is almost forgotten in making sure their killer’s rights are not violated.
We all know that Casey is guilty. There is only one person that would of profited off Caylee being dead (well in the normal sense of the word for most normal people) and that is Casey. Everything that has been released in discovery so far points only to Casey. The cover up points to Cindy then George Anthony.
Why did Baez tell Cindy several times to “zip it”? Her own attorney was sitting there and he didn’t object to his client answering the questions. Does Baez have the authority to order a person that is not his client to shut up?
If down the line Baez and team want to back the bus up and run over Cindy and George several more times for Casey, wouldn’t that of been a conflict in his acting in Casey’s best interest when he did?
% I’m just a soul whose intentions are good. Oh Lord,please don’t let me be misunderstood. Eric Burdon and the Animals %
Is it really such a bad thing for ANYONE to be telling Cindy to shut up at this point?
Her changing stories, lies and rationalizations are only digging the hole deeper.
ELLEJAY
Good find on the notory expiration date. Here I thought the motion filed was the first on that kinda looked professional, what with case law cited and what not.
What does it mean, lawyers or clerks out there? Notorizing a document in Ohio when your registration is expired is against the law.
Actually I think Val is doing a massive public service here.
She’s providing an outlet for all the crazies to actually orbit
safely AROUND the case without in fact moving into the forefront
where they can be of harm to self or others.
» Ponderingwhy said: { Apr 17, 2010 – 09:04:05 }
Well, your story is unfortunate and sadly true in a lot of circumstances. I can tell you that there are journalists held to a higher standard than that though. Of course, they can make mistakes, but they are duty bound to facts. But I would sadly agree that, with the decline or death of newspapers, the industry is going to hell in a hand basket, especially broadcast media. It’s more entertainment.
Bees Knees, I imagine Marinade Dave is not answering questions on his blog about what transpired between him and Judge Strickland on his blog because he has been advised not to by someone, maybe even an attorney. He has already written too much. It would only make it worse for Judge Strickland if he continues to blab about it.
In his blog about the incident, MD said he regretted even writing on his blog about the judge’s conversations. In his last blog, he focused instead on the accusations against him. MD wrote that he was not helping the defense and he felt like the investigator duped him. He also pointed out that he is not a pro prosecution blogger, that his headlines were misleading and if the defense had read his blogs they would see the article didn’t say what they thought it said. He said he saw himself as “fair and balanced” and his critics saw him as “Anthony and defense lovers.” He said that he thought the defense was making a mistake in trying to get rid of Judge Strickland because he is “fair and balanced.”
MD had told the defense investigator that the judge and he were not friends and there had only been the two conversations between them. One in the court room and one on the telephone.
WSH said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 08:04:25 }
But I would sadly agree that, with the decline or death of newspapers, the industry is going to hell in a hand basket, especially broadcast media. It’s more entertainment.
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Unfortunately, that is so true. Think of Walter Cronkite, then think of Fox, CNN, any ‘news organization,’ really. Heartbreaking.
It’s the spin put on stories as much as the inaccuracies. That’s why we all read the documents for ourselves, isn’t it? Read the Sentinel and you’ll get one spin, read WESH or WFTV and you’ll get two more slants…it’s just frustrating. But with the way things are going in news print and news reporting, you won’t sell your article without a slant, ideally of the “OMG” variety.
It’s not a big point, but it’s an important one, I think, when it comes to getting information that really IS fair and balanced.
Blogger: “I Will Forever Be Remembered As Defense’s Scapegoat”
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:52:08 AM
Reported by Amanda Evans
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/17/blogger_i_will_forever_be_remembered_as_defenses_scapegoat.html
» FRG said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 10:04:31 }
Blogger: “I Will Forever Be Remembered As Defense’s Scapegoat”
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Hubris = Excessive pride or self confidence
Hubris = Excessive pride or self confidence
Excellent Gracie. And let’s not forget it always leads to a fall. It’s a word that describes many players in this case to a T. I’ve used that word to describe the entire Anthony family as well.
“Describes actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist’s downfall.”
The phrase “fair and balanced” has negative connotations for me. It came about with reportage that was not accurate. A news organization that I won’t mention (OK Fox) who decided that the truth always had something in it, something that was palatable to the left as well as the right.
“Fair and balanced” to me means SPIN.
Sometimes there is one set of facts. And they are true. As a matter of fact, FACT is FACT. Fox started this nonsense, this twisting and misuse of the word FACT and they used it to promote falsehoods.
On the face of it, “fair and balanced” doesn’t sound like a bad thing. But to me it has become one.
There’s truth. And then there are lies. When it comes to news reportage anyway.
You can’t sugarcoat a murder, or a massacre, or a lie.
We’ve all gone to hell in a handbasket as far as I’m concerned.
WSH said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 08:04:25 }
lol. I can’t remember the last time I used the phrase “hell in a handbasket” and there you are with it too!
I really, really should stop reading the comments backwards! ha.
I wish the sun would come back out…
Anyway, I hate Fox News the most.
I’m going to try this one more time.
Let’s play a game…here are two topics:
1. The events surrounding the Dave/Judge Strickland “relationship” that led to the motion.
2. What your personal opinion is of Dave Knechel.
Kids – one of these is not like the other.
1 is okay – 2 better be cut out here or I’m getting ready to shit a pink twinkie.
Did I cross the line Ms V?
I guess Typhoid Mary got her several minutes of fame at some point too. Any attention is good attention for some WSH, and Im afraid anyone who looks at an interview with a defense PI as an ” opportunity”, or feels the needs to take on the mantle of responsibility for defending seasoned professional Judges, LE Investigators etc is beyond hearing common sense advice like SHUT UP. He was advised to shut up about Judge S back in October by several well intentioned posters who felt it was questionable to air a private conversation that was obviously not meant for public consumption. Im sorry doesnt hold water now, the deed was done.
» jennyb said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 10:04:08 }
WSH said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 08:04:25 }
lol. I can’t remember the last time I used the phrase “hell in a handbasket” and there you are with it too!I really, really should stop reading the comments backwards! ha.
I like “bastard in a basket” a line by Daniel Day Lewis, But I can never really find a way to slip it into conversation.
“But I can never really find a way to slip it into conversation.”
Today’s your lucky day hun. You just did. lol.
WSH…not unless you’re one of the 20 some odd people in the past 24 hours that I’ve had to edit or outright delete their comments.
I’ve done more comment editing and deletion in one day than I’ve done in the entire time of this blog. I don’t like doing it to people, but I’m not going to let people come here and blather hateful crap. If they don’t like Dave as a person they need to go find some place that dedicates itself to not liking Dave as a person….those places exist – and they are not here.
We really can discuss this in a proper manner – I have confidence in us.
» Valhall said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 10:04:48 }
I’m going to try this one more time.
Let’s play a game…here are two topics:
1. The events surrounding the Dave/Judge Strickland “relationship” that led to the motion.
2. What your personal opinion is of Dave Knechel.
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Is the game Onyxia’s Lair?
1. WHO AGGRO’ED THE FU*KING WHELPS? >insert pic of Orlando Bloom<
2. LeeRoy Jenkins!
50 DKP minus! WTF was that
???
We still have an awesome healer and tank, this will not wipe the raid!
Fair and balanced means exactly that: fair, and balanced. News stations use it to give themselves a crediblity they do not always deserve. But it’s their misuse (abuse) of the terms that proves the point. ‘News’ DOES mean ‘Spin’ any more. I heartily agree the abuse of the terms is a huge negative, but the negativity (for me) is directed at the people using the terms when they don’t live up to those terms.
That said, it is my belief Judge Strickland is fair and balanced, and (without wishing to be a suck-up) so is Val’s blog.
CW,
Leave it to you to make me laugh about this.
All I need is
MORE DOTS! MORE DOTS!
LMAO.
Pondering,
I’m unfair and imbalanced. But I got a cool owl that lives in my yard!
*still haven’t been able to get him on film yet though
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This is not a Dave bashing but he’s going to be on blogradio this afternoon. Absolutely no good can come from this!
Got one here too in the Big Woods in Northern Illinois….I hear him and if the moon is right I see his head swival (they really do swival and this one has eyes that gleam) It would be hard to get a pic… Keep trying. Can you identify him at all???
Yeah you are unfair at times but ya run a Tight Blog and although I rarely post as my Real Life is totally in the way….i take my iphone to work and try and keep up….
Thisbe
» Orlandan opps said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 11:04:59 }
This is not a Dave bashing but he’s going to be on blogradio this afternoon. Absolutely no good can come from this!
» jennyb said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 10:04:17 }
Hubris = Excessive pride or self confidence
Excellent Gracie. And let’s not forget it always leads to a fall. It’s a word that describes many players in this case to a T. I’ve used that word to describe the entire Anthony family as well.
“Describes actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist’s downfall.”
It just never ends does it? Self aggrandizement at it’s finest. Funny how people who throw THEMSELVES under the bus claim to be victims. Caylee Anthony is the ONLY victim here.
My goodness Val, what goes on at your house? Great Horned Owls & Horny toads?
Speaking of news analogies:
November 25, 2009 – Richard Hornsby on WS:
“Its like this, assume our trial is about politics. FOX is conservative, MSNBC is liberal, and CNN is moderate. By default no MSNBC jurors are even allowed on jury, so you are left with FOX and CNN jury pool. Defense would want more CNN than FOX, the State would like all FOX.”
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I would agree with Richard Hornsby that of those three cable news channels, CNN is less slanted than Fox and MSNBC.
The problem IMO is that true “reporters” seem to have disappeared, and by “reporters,” I mean people whose job is to gather as much information as possible about a topic and simply report on the findings without packaging the information into a narrative that attempts to explain what the findings ‘mean.’
In other words, when I read a news story or watch a news report, I don’t want to be able to pick up the slightest whiff of the reporters opinion of what he or she is reporting about nor do I want to be able to find out from another news source that there is additional information about the story that the reporter should have known about but neglected to include in the story.
I guess what I’m saying is: It’s the *intention* with which you perform an act that matters at the end of the day.
I think that’s what I’m saying. lol.
Careful Jennyb.. Isn’t there an old saying tha “the road to he!! is paved with good intentions?
Food for thought.
KZ said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 12:04:48 }
In my mind, pure intention in the right direction can never lead to hell.
There are confused, unconscious, disingenuous “good intention” types (oh, I just thought you should know that your neighbor… blah blah blah” and then it turns out their so-called high ideal was really cloaked in “bad intention.”
In general though, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” means (to me) intention that never gets acted upon. Never gets a follow-through.
Oh, I intended to do this but… I intended to do that but… but you don’t succeed in taking the steps.
Anyhoo…
Actually I’d use Mr. Marinade Dave as an example of the consequences of a so-called good intention. I don’t think I need to expound further.
» Valhall said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 11:04:46 }
I’m unfair and imbalanced. But I got a cool owl that lives in my yard!
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Whoever it was that said you were unfair is unfair and unbalanced (still don’t know who it was, since I’m peeking in quickly while I’m supposed to be writing!). And I am unanimous in that.
Plus, you have a cool yard, full stop. My greatest landscaping wish is to add a stream like yours.
Maura, it’s a challenge to find a whiff of fact with all the great the swirling clouds of ‘journalistic’ opinion making a mess of things. It really does set our teeth on edge. I’m sure there’s a special name for people who scream at their TVs, and both my husband and I fit very firmly into whatever psychosis that is.
Marinade Dave is posting that he will be on BlogSpot Radio this afternoon.
Isn’t his mouth full of foot yet???
My question concerning that, Skyline, would be…
In his blogradio interview will he address the laws he may have broken so far? Setting aside the whole breech of privacy in communication issue, there’s the call-to-arms he has done where he publicly posted the personal information of a WITNESS in a very important proceeding of a murder trial with the intent of getting members of the public, at his direct command, to harass that WITNESS because the WITNESS, in a sworn affidavit, said things that made him mad?
That’s what I want to know.
Good point Val. No legal knowledge here, but it almost sounds like numerous charges could be forthcoming just related to his post. Hate mongering for one. Plus he’s asking people to harrass this Lyons guy who was ony doing his job when he interviewed Dave. Lyons works for the defense, he wasn’t breaking any laws when he sucked Dave in with hollow compliments that would have been transparent to most of us. Dave bit for whatever reasons. Some say it’s ego. Some say it’s stupidity. I’m on the fence. Now he’s scrambling trying to change the facts that are open for public consumption. Too late. You can’t unring a bell.
TRIALS & TRIBULATIONS
SPROCKET & COMPANY IN DEPTH, TRUE CRIME REPORTING
SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 2010
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/04/defense-wants-strickland-off-casey.html
Defense Wants Strickland Off Casey Anthony Case
I also saw, and read the comments that MD made last night, and, was pretty taken back by them.
Not that many haven’t seen him fly off the handle before, but, he really went off the deep end.
It’s to bad, that many of the people that do stand by him, have repeatedly asked him, gently asked him, to refrain from the outbursts, and, to delete his comments last night.
At first, he out and out refused – while still on a rant.
Granted, I think that he probably had good intentions to begin with ~ He was happy and excited to have been recognized by Judge Strickland.
But, I like many others, can’t imagine that Strickland really actively followed his blog, really, how could he with the responsibilites that he has?
And, had he had the time to read and observe over time, he certainly would have seen the behavior and the mad stomping, temper tantrums.
People are questioning the fact that the defense didn’t take the time to read all of MD blogs = I say that they did, and that they have, and are reading yet.
That PI knew exactly what button to push and stroke, and, it only took him a matter of minutes, according to MD himself.
No, he wasn’t “hoodwinked” = he was READ.
He was NOT set up.
He was profiled, and, then he walked himself right into it ~
And, he continues to act just like the defense wants him to, and, I’m sure just like they predicted behind doors that he would.
Going on that radio show this afternoon is just another laugh at him by the defense, and they’ll take note of that also.
It’s really to bad that MD can’t listen to the advise of the people on his blog that do want to believe in him and have his back.
The man is his own worst enemy, and, ultimatly, Judge Strickland’s.
I haven’t meant to offend, or, be distastefull or mean. And, there have been some pretty distastefull, mean things said about him, and, meant to torment an easily tormented man.
But, MD really needs to step back and let the little dancing men in his head wipe the sweat from their brows.
JMO ~ but, daaaaaammnnnn…….
Val ~ Sorry, my last post was in reply to your inquirey about whether or not Dave would address his actions last night on giving the PI’s personal info out and requesting his bloggers to call and e-mail the man.
Just a little question? Why was Knechel speaking with cfnews13 before the motion was even filed? Something the state of Denmark smells really bad here.
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/17/blogger_i_will_forever_be_remembered_as_defenses_scapegoat.html
Just hours before the motion was filed, Knechel told News 13 about his relationship with Strickland.
How can you be blindsided when you are interviewd about a motion before it is filed? Color me confused.
» Valhall said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 01:04:23 }
I doubt Knechel will address those questions Val, he has “lawyered up” as they say. Also why/how was he speaking to CFnews13 about the motion before it was filed? Tough to be blindsided if you saw the bus coming.
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/17/blogger_i_will_forever_be_remembered_as_defenses_scapegoat.html
Just hours before the motion was filed, Knechel told News 13 about his relationship with Judge Strickland.
I was wondering the same thing after reading that news article from channel 13…….
what’s up Doc, I mean Dave?
It’s difficult to ignore someone who is trying so hard to NOT be ignored and it’s tricky to discuss the current situation without it including everyone involved but I will because I
Val. To start with, this contradiction (below) has absolutely nothing to do with my personal feelings. And, if I’m understanding, we can discuss WHAT is happening but must keep personal feelings out of it with regards to WHO it is happening to. So that being said, do you think we will hear Strickland’s side of what happened when they went to lunch?
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This is what was published a couple weeks ago:
“I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.”
But yesterday the same person said: “Now, I am reading that people actually believe this to be true, as if we really did sit down together at a Waffle House and pass the syrup.”
!?!?!?!?
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Well I, for one, actually DID believe they’d gone to lunch together. We were given details of the event. Who paid, who tipped, who orderd what. Was that all make-believe? Anybody else? And are we now being told it never happened? I really would like to know. This case is full of mis-truth, half-truths, lies, white and black etc. and we are constantly picking things apart and analyzing them, right down to minutia ~ painstaking ping charts have been created, extremely detailed timelines have been developed and some blowfly’s elbow was discovered and noted, for God’s sake!!! . . . and it’s all in the interest of uncovering the truth. I don’t pay taxes in Florida but if I did, I WOULD def. feel entitled to it whether it was Baez, Strickland or a blogger.
Bees,
I think it’s just a matter of how you took it when you read the comment Dave left. When I read it I clearly saw him just being tongue-in-cheek. But I can also understand some one reading it and thinking he was commenting on a real event. He cleared that up though yesterday, I believe.
Bees Knees,
That was my point earilier, that comment is now a “joke” but people believed it and those people were never set straight until the
hit the fan. Now the story changes.
Will the story of the conversation and phone call change now too?
It never took place Bees knees. It was written as an attempt at sarcasm.
I really am a slow typer.
Still would like to know how he came to be interviewed by cfnews13 about a motion that had not yet filed and then claim to be blindsided.
OMG– Dave is using the wrong choice of words!!! ‘The reason I’ve brought up the sexual part is that it was brought up yesterday taht the judge was courting me…. and I looked that up in the dictionary….’ (and he takes a literal meaning and then expands in the wrong direction….
And I was only taking a break, noticed it was blog radio time I turned on the station…. geeze, not sure I can stick it out.
Dave isn’t a lawyer and he needs to get legal advice for his comments to not get into the muck… and on into quicksand.
He’s arguing why the motion has no merit…. but he’s NOT qualified to give legal opinion here. Dave needs to read Silver.
He doesn’t GET it… there may be no impropriety…. that isn’t the issue, it’s APPEARANCE of…. (if I’ve remembered Silver’s lessons in essence)
(Val, do you have a foot-in-mouth icon???? Some needs to slam a gavel down about now. not again Dave, another comment that’s risky humouresque “A lesbian trapped inside a man’s body”…. his humor gets him in trouble every time– we need a ‘two feet in mouth icon’ PLS!!!!)
» Valhall said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 01:04:23 }
My question concerning that, Skyline, would be…
In his blogradio interview will he address the laws he may have broken so far? Setting aside the whole breech of privacy in communication issue, there’s the call-to-arms he has done where he publicly posted the personal information of a WITNESS in a very important proceeding of a murder trial with the intent of getting members of the public, at his direct command, to harass that WITNESS because the WITNESS, in a sworn affidavit, said things that made him mad?That’s what I want to know.
Val
How about that, huh? I bet Strickland is second guessing his own judgment of character at this point. All of what you wrote about (and others) is completely off the rails. But still rolling along. Likely toward a cliff.
The PI played him like cheap violin.
Gracie, if Val allows, here it is, I’m signing off it now.
(he’s now giving opinion on other cases, sorry dave, I’m signing off it)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-barrett/2010/04/18/haleigh-cummings-caylee-anthony
» T2M said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 03:04:36 }
Gracie
I have never heard the show he will be on tonight, but if it allows callers I hope someone asks him how it is that he knew that motion was going to filed and what it contained.
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I did ask several times but all of the time on the air by Knechel was used to promote his blog. He had no real questions by interviewers and did not answer the questions posed in the chat room. He was not well received and rambled considerably
» Valhall said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 01:04:23 }
My question concerning that, Skyline, would be…
In his blogradio interview will he address the laws he may have broken so far? Setting aside the whole breech of privacy in communication issue, there’s the call-to-arms he has done where he publicly posted the personal information of a WITNESS in a very important proceeding of a murder trial with the intent of getting members of the public, at his direct command, to harass that WITNESS because the WITNESS, in a sworn affidavit, said things that made him mad?That’s what I want to know.
Absolutley none of it. Played I am a victim of defense card
Gracie, MD did not know ahead of time about the motion. And the show is already over.
Kleat
How could he comment to cfnews13 about it hours before it was filed?
» gracie34 said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 03:04:55 }
“Played I am a victim of defense card”
How is he even remotely a victim? He spoke with a PI voluntarily? The motion has Strickland in the cross hairs. And he is all over the media. Maybe he could have thought about that for 5 seconds, with jaw wired. I think that is what it would take. I am reiterated that I do not hate the man. I don’t know him, and never posted on his blog, barely read it.
reiterated….reiterating
Now, to be fair, MD has been buying up Law Books at the Five & Dime, so, he has been doing his “research”.
Richard Hornsby has given him some Law Books, and, Dave proudly tells of adding to his ever-growing collection.
Well, he can always go south to Sarasota and join the Ringling Brother’s………..
I’m sorry ~ But, the man really needs to just go sit on a beach somewhere and just chill.
His bloggers begged him to not go on this radio interview.
When this sort of stuff happens, I start thinking like Kleat does sometimes, and say, is this for real? Then I have to wonder if he is really trying to help the defense, because he keeps helping the defense through his actions, you know?
The defense read his blogs, probably saw how he has a tendancy to go rabid on commenters, and, they simply put that in “motion” and used his ego to get him to open up.
It doesn’t take a degree to figure this man out.
Heck, even my cats know if they stroke up against someone’s leg, they are going to be petted.
Skyline
Give the PI a little credit, he was a maestro with the cheap violin.
I don’t think even violin was needed – cheap or otherwise.
Like I said earlier up thread = They READ him.
They knew what to do, how to do it, and, it didn’t take months of following him on his blog to have his “Ticket to Ride”. {gawd, I HATE it when he quotes The Beatles ~ I loved them. He just better leave Elton John out of this – If he heads his next writing,”I’m Still Standing”, I’ll be the one blowing a fuse and on talk radio next – LOL}
T2M, thank you.
Anyone that I’ve chatted with or any blog I was reading believed it, too. I can’t see anything in that short paragraph to indicate in any way that he wasn’t reporting that he went to lunch with Judge Strickland, Jose Baez, LDB etc. Is someone going to tell me that it really was just a joke?
This is what he said: “I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.”
Where in that paragraph would I find the information telling me this wasn’t meant to be believed? Cheney left a tip? He couldn’t have dessert? Respectfully, I am interested in knowing what I missed. TIA. Maybe I’m humourless.
How many days ago was that posted? Why did he wait for Baez to file a motion against Strickland to explain it to his readers (who also seem to readers apparently believed it too. A joke. SNORT!!! My arse, it’s a joke. It confounds me the things they expect us to choke down. They all do it ~ Cindy, George, Casey, Baez etc. etc. They are all transparent and yet they seem to think they are fooling us. Ha ha ha ha ha. Clowns. All of them. All the time with their assy behaviour! PFT!!!!
It would be fascinating to know what percentage of his blogs are in fact lies, oooops ~ I mean, JOKES. Unchecked jokes. I guess as long as no one has identified the joke as a lie, then it’s good to stand on it’s own.
Advice to MD:
Sit DOWN and shut UP.
Respectfully.
» Bees Knees said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 04:04:07 }
Bees
I wrote that in the misc thread yesterday, before he wrote the rebuttal. But then again, I don’t know if he reads here. The damage is done. Can it get worse, I guess so.
Now he’s all over blogradio.
» Kleat said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 03:04:02 }
Gracie, MD did not know ahead of time about the motion.
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“Just hours before the motion was filed, Knechel told News 13 about his relationship with Strickland.”
taken from cfnews13 interview with Knechel
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/17/blogger_i_will_forever_be_remembered_as_defenses_scapegoat.html
Why was he speaking to a media outlet about his “relationship” with the Judge before the motion was filed? Awfully convenient.
» Bees Knees said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 04:04:38 }
Now he’s all over blogradio.
Yeah, Kleat said so up thread, but had to turn it off.
Val,
What it is it about TFC that drives certain people to get so intimately involved? All of us that participate here are obviously obsessed but I am referring to the people that feel the desire to share the attention and have direct contact with the players and bad actors in this case?
@Jennyb: Thanks for your comments – offering appropriate defense yet still fair and
objective. I propose that YOU replace Judge Strickland.
@Shyloh: Please note I am by no means dissing diabetics. Why? Because I’m Type 2
myself. My comment was not making fun of MD because he’s diabetic but emphasizing
that if you don’t monitor your glucose you very literally can end up mentally skewed,
among other bad things. I’ve read his blog and he’s very haphazard in how he treats
his own diabetes. I can’t fathom his approach as I myself am very meticulous and
maintain excellent glucose levels because of the right diet, exercise, good karma, etc.
Type 2 – which I and MD have – is much less radical than Type 1 and much more
dependent on one’s actions. If you follow up you can keep optimal sugars.
I know this because I went from near death stage to excellent by just changing
my habits.
Whereas Type 1 is much more profound and requires medical treatment.
The lesser type that MD and I have is very much a matter of being either smart or
dumb in your maintenance – it’s entirely up to you – whereas your daughter’s is
more serious and not entirely at your control So I wouldn’t by any means compare
the two and certainly wasn’t dissing your daughter for her condition. I’m dissing
anyone with Type 2 who doesn’t treat it competently then lapses into pure dementia.
Sorry if you took offense. One thing I would recommend to you for your daughter
that is excellent is called Pancreas Tonic. It’s purely herb-based and has been
proven to actually re-grow pancreas cells. If you can catch it soon enough,
you can rebuild the pancreas and prevent having to have it removed later in life.
The formula also contains key minerals diabetics lack and need to supplement.
Vanadium, chromium, magnesium, etc. Replacing these minerals can do a lot to
get her levels down. I’d be happy to send you more info if needed – I went from
AIC 11 to AIC 6 in about 6 months because I found out what to supplement.
The key to this condition is a lack of mineral nutrition. This is common now because
processed food lacks most key minerals.
Just read this about md’s radio blog appearance:
-did you read the scrolls? People were asking the tough questions, telling him to get off, go away, how boring, etc. I didn’t see any favorable comments for him.
I notice he changed the phone call from the judge to after he was out of the hospital instead of while in the hospital. I bet Simon thought he was going to have to call in some goons to haul his butt out of there.
http://justiceforcaylee.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/justice-for-caylee-part-19/
He’s now changing the Judge called me story int0
I was waiting for the Judge to call me back…huh?? Did or didn’t the Judge call you???
MD was on blog radio-
[EDITED BY VALHALL, PLEASE VISIT LINK BELOW]
http://justiceforcaylee.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/justice-for-caylee-part-19/
[EDITED BY VALHALL, PLEASE VISIT LINK BELOW]
http://justiceforcaylee.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/justice-for-caylee-part-19/
He’s now changing the Judge called me story into I was waiting for the Judge to call me back…huh?? Did or didn’t the Judge call you???
@Shyloh: Also very key is eliminating white flour as much as possible from her diet.
White flour contains allotoxins which literally erode away and kill the cells in your
body. The saying in the health food industry is “The more white bread, the sooner
you’re dead.” The Western diet is very much white flour based and unless you have
a bionic pancreas you will eventually suffer cell deterioration in key places.
When that hits the pancreas it causes diabetes. Truthfully everyone should eliminate
white flour and switch to multi-grains. White flour saps your energy and kills your cells.
Multi-grains energize and re-build cells.
Val – I think you’re fair but a bit imbalanced. In a very good way.
SPROCKET & COMPANY IN DEPTH, TRUE CRIME REPORTING
SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 2010
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2010/04/defense-wants-strickland-off-casey.html
Defense Wants Strickland Off Casey Anthony Case
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This blogsite is a hidden gem, always interesting observations of the Casey trial. Don’t think there’s a comment section, but I assume the person is a lawyer & has a keen take on the ins & outs of this crazy case.
I just wrote to marinade’s blog and they are only publishing the messagees if they look good toward there blog. Negative statements made are notput in. I wrote some negative and postitive. Only the postive were posted. There goes freedom of speech! It is not welcome there!!!
They should be ashamed!!!!
» Jennifer said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 04:04:01 }
“He’s now changing the Judge called me story int0 Shock I was waiting for the Judge to call me back…huh?? Did or didn’t the Judge call you???”
Interesting.
Signed,
Bastard in a basket
(twice in one day)
RE: Md and lunch with the gang:
“I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did. Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.”
Honestly when I read it it reeked of sarcasm. I most certainly did not believe that the prosecution, the defense and Judge would go out to lunch!!
Bees,
Someone asked on another site if he was joking when he posted that the OCSO was there to arrest him about 5:30 today. He’s joking, right?
I’ve been trying to think what this whole episode reminds me of all weekend and it just came to me. Hannah Arendt’s “The Banality of Evil”.
Let’s not get into any Nazi stuff here. I’m talking about a broader interpretation. Thanks.
Forgive me, LNY (I am formerly from NYS), but I don’t read there and don’t know the essence of the blog, but if I were to read that, at first blush, I would not know it wasn’t true. I would think it unusual only because of the stage of the litigation they are in, but no, it is not always far afield field that such parties DO have lunch. Legal communities are usually closely knit. They are all Bar members and fellow professionals (which is the key word).
oh, Jennyb, you are so cerebral – that’s just one of the things I like about you!
It comes via an “ordinary Joe” with a “who me?” expression on his face — with all innocent explanations and gee whiz folks. Uh huh.
Thanks Chat. I’m actually feeling sorta sick just thinking about it. Signing off.
This Mess…
I regularly read Dave’s blog and thought it was pretty good…until lately where he’s used it (and in his defense, it’s HIS blog and no one forced me to read there!) to slam people he doesn’t like, using hideous language. Last night was so awful…anyone who disagreed with him was told to stop B-ing and log the F off…that’s not verbatim, but it’s close. And then his friend, Snoopy, took over and swore at another commenter, too. This morning, Dave defended it and said she could basically do whatever she liked. I appreciated his honesty and let him know that I would not be back…and I won’t ever go back to that site again. His temper is out of control and I really don’t care who he’s angry at…and trying to form a lynch mob to that PI’s phone and email was highly inappropriate, but when nicely called out about it, those people were sworn at. Not for me!! Dave wants his readers to worship him or else not stop by… OK!
Just as I was going to log off, I spied this: http://www.wftv.com/news/23188851/detail.html
Chief Judge Belvin Perry removed Judge Turner from the Ninth Circuit Court bench. My tin foil hat is smoldering, my hair is scorched and the cats are quivering – this is all too, too much.
» Jennifer said: { Apr 18, 2010 – 04:04:50 }
(Following quote from another website)
I notice he changed the phone call from the judge to after he was out of the hospital instead of while in the hospital. I bet Simon thought he was going to have to call in some goons to haul his butt out of there.
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It’s in the motion that MD claimed Strickland called him when he got out of the hospital. He told Lyons that Strickland called when MD was in the hospital and clarified that MD talked to Strickland when MD got home from the hospital.
Yep, Maura is right.
Guys. I’m going to go ahead and start a new thread. This one is loading slow. We’ll end on Maura’s correction!
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