Miscellaneous Topics on the Caylee Marie Anthony Case – Part 5

I finally found a search plug-in that will search all content on the blog versus just the article text. So now the search box on the lower right hand side will also search for a term in the comments as well as the article.

Hope you find this helpful.

Does anyone plan on writing a letter to Judge Strickland or to the Board in Tallahassee? Could maybe someone with really great writing skills draft a letter for everyone to sign and fax to both parties? Hint,,,, Hint,,,,, LOL

I for one would like to see the fax machines blow up with letters being faxed regarding the hearing on Thursday.

Any thoughts?

Janie,

I trust Judge Strickland. And I also trust our judicial system. I’m not sure it would be productive (in fact, I feel it would not be) to have Judge Strickland having to work through skads of letters from the public on a topic that reduces to him having to rule by law and not by popular opinion.

Val, you may be right. I guess we will see on Thursday.

Val, Janie,

Oh, I don’t know about Thursday. I think Baez will find cause to delay, delay, delay. I hope not. But, I feel that he will.

As for bombarding Strickland with a barrage of faxes — we need to but allow the wheels of justice to turn, however slowly they do, as well as to trust Strickland who has so well proven himself to be worthy of our trust.

And no, having given it further thought, I won’t be faxing anything. As previously stated I am one of those Floridians who will gladly chip in my two cents to see Casey fairly tired and most certainly convicted. That may not be the more popular opinion, but it’s mine.

G’day to all.

Willow

Hey Val

Hope you have a great day.

I also trust Judge Strickland to do the right thing. We have to continue to trust the system. When we don’t. It will fall apart so quickly. Even if Justice doesn’t prevail for Little Caylee in this Realm. It will. Their day is coming if they do not stand up and tell the truth of what happened. I so believe in Karma. And it’s ain’t pretty. And no one can stop that wheel.

Lily,

(I have to do this, Val)

It’s so rather troubles me not to have see you on the boards since I responded to your comment regarding JWG’s article. It wasn’t my intention to offend you, and so I truly hope that you weren’t. Had I seen your name on the boards I’d would surely have mentioned this last night. Please know that I was simply trying to make myself clear, as I sometimes have a bit of difficulty doing that (as we all know) and am misunderstood. Usually I just let it go, and go on, no big deal, which is what I should have done last night, and so offer you my utmost apology should I have offended or angered you in any way.

I just had to say that, before the sun gets any higher in the sky.

Have a good day, Lily.

Willow

Willow

It’s interesting that George allegedly stated that Caylee’s death was an accident in November ( let’s say roughly) around the time that Hoover and D Casey were poking around in the woods. I would love to know if any of this is corroborated from another source; maybe D Casey himself? I know that Val, JWG, Maura and the rest of the brainiacs don’t think so, but I still can’ t get my head around the police only finding out about the affair through twitter or the grapevine. Yes, it could happen, but I am still curious as to what was found on J Wray’s computer. Also, wouldn’t Baez have included D Casey on a witness list at this point? How would we even know whether the investigative depo took place with D Casey already? Does the state have to wait for a response from Baez to proceed? I don’t think so. He should have jumped on that right away, no?

Willow – please no apologies necessary! I thought you gave me a great response to the questions I raised about how you drew your conclusions to JWG’s post. I always enjoy your comments. I am so sorry you feel the need to apologize to me – in fact I went back and looked at my comment that started this and it didn’t sound the way I intended.

I’ve been very busy with work stuff and haven’t been able to participate as much for a few days.

Gosh I feel so bad now but thanks for being such a nice person to help me take another look at my tone and clear this up without hard feelings. – Lily

Val
Way cool Tag Cloud !! I have never seen anything like that.

The thought of Casey claiming that she did NOT get a fair trial due to the actions of Bozo Baez are what makes me want to send faxes. It’s as obvious as the nose on anyone’s face that he is not doing the things that he should be doing in order to make this case progress in a manner that it should. (No grounds for appeal) Instead he has spent his time and effort and Casey’s “supposed” money running to every media outlet that he can get on to whail about the media coverage,,,,,,,,! It boggles my mind that he has been allowed to do the things he has/is doing. I fear that he is giving her many grounds for appeal.

I agree that we should trust the justice system, but I have seen the system time and again run off the track. There are countless innocent people sitting behind prison bars that will agree with me. LOL I don’t mind chipping in my two cents worth to ensure that she is fairly tried and convicted, right along with the rest of the clan. What I don’t want to do is chip in my two cents to see her walk on a tecnicality, like many other murderers have done in the past. That is my fear! and or course MHO

Val I do love the tag cloud too. A question and off topic sorry. Can you continue to add to that? It’ s very interesting. I have been touching it for the past few min. just to watch it spin!!!! (sort of like this case)

Oh dear. Wish you hadn’t said that, Shyloh. You piqued my curiosity and now I’m playing with the tag cloud too. Spinning…spinnning…spinning……

Some great sleuth over at WS posted a link, from 2008. Interesting in light of the indigency hearing:

Posted: 4:19 pm EDT July 18,2008Updated: 9:21 pm EDT July 20,2008

******The pair says they have faith in their daughter and are paying for her attorney.*******

http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html

What I found even more interesting about the article in the link posted by WSH is Cindy saying she will walk every inch of earth, knock on every door, search in every nook and cranny. I think she missed a spot.

I wouldn’t put too much faith in anything a report writes or anything Cindy says. If you read the rest of that article there are things we now know are inconsistant with the evidence or with later comments made by the Anthony family (for example, Cindy’s version of the Caylee phone call and her comment about how ‘Casey feels compelled to put the blame on herself than some other person’ because ‘That’s the type of person Casey is’. Only a paper trail will show whether or not C&G were paying for Casey’s attorney.

Could be they were, but I wouldn’t rely on a news report to form any conclusions.

Sorry, ‘reporter’ not ‘report’.

How come I don’t see the tag cloud thingy? LOL Good Morning all.

» PonderingWhy said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 10:03:39 }

But doesn’t that statement open up an investigation into finances as to whether they did pay? Shouldn’t they be asked by the court?

So far, KC has gone on record as having stated, when asked, that she is happy with her representation. I trust Judge Strickland and I trust the prosecution. They are dotting their i’s and crossing their t’s, staying out of the media and making good, solid arguments. Justice will prevail. IMO, the less people who muddy the waters the better. As far as worrying about KC’s team being adequate enough to pass muster, just remember to be careful what you wish for!

There is so much more to the money trail!

Do you remember this, the second bail-out?

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5729120&page=1

“Court documents show that Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, put up part of the collateral for her release from jail. The source of the money was not immediately clear. Joe Von Waldner, the Orlando bail bondsman who posted Anthony’s bond, told ABCNews.com that he was working on behalf of a surety company, which he declined to name. Von Waldner said he was working with another bail bond company called MacDonald Bail Bonds, which declined to comment.”

I thought they were being investigated. I’m just commenting on the ‘usefulness’ (or not) of Cindy’s 2008 comment, but point made. Not really a big deal, it just occured to me her comments and the accuracy of news coverage aren’t very reliable.

Should have added ‘when it comes to if or how an investiagtion would be conducted’.

The only thing I’m wishing for is that everyone of the murderers, liars, crooks and bloodsuckers involved get what’s coming to them. And I want to know where the money came from/is coming from and what Baez’s role in it is. I don’t want the court to just take Baez’s word on it, I want to see proof!

Barb – the cloud thingy is to the right of the page, in the home section, right above Hinky Search. You have to roll your mouse over it to activate it.

You know what I’m thinking? I’m gonna tell you anyway. I think the hearing on Thursday is going to wind up either being postponed because of some last-minute motion and anything of true interest (to us) will be discussed behind closed doors or out of camera and sound range.

I don’t think we’ll get answers to our questions for a very long time.

So as Val likes to remind me… breathe.

Right ther with ya’ Jennytwin!

Has anyone obtained a copy of Justice Administrative Commission’s Response to Defendant’s Motion for Determination of Indigency for Costs and Request to Participate Telephonically filed 03/15/2010. i am extremely interested in what they had to say in response to Baez’s motion.

Thanks.

The_Thinker wrote:
George’s lover has used the names “River Allen” and “River Cruz” and “Krystal”.
Her legal name is Krystal N. Holloway (Allen) (Cruz)
Born in November 1971 – 38 years old – born in Massachusetts
At one time she lived at the same address as Jeffrey Allen in Orlando
At one time she may have been married to Hector Jason Cruz in Volusia County
Krystal had a Paternity case in 2002
careless driving in 2003 – owes $ 80.00
failure to comply in 2005 – owes $ 68.00
evicted from apartments in Orlando March 2008
unlawful speed July 2008 – owes $ 244.00
refusal to sign citation July 17, 2008 – one day in jail – owes $ 295.00
suspended drivers license – Dec 1, 2008
fail to obey traffic control device – dismissed – officer failed to attend
unlawful speed Feb 2009 – owes $ 249.00
driving with license suspended Feb 4, 2009 – owes $ 143.50
driving while license suspended/revoked Feb 12, 2009 – adjudication withheld

twin sister, Skye (Holloway) Benhaida – legal name is Cecelia
Peggy (Holloway) Benhaida – was/is married to Rafik Benhaida Feb 14, 2007
evicted from home in Florida – March 23, 2009
dealing in stolen property (trafficking) Feb 26, 2008
receiving money from pawnbroker by false verification
found guilty Sept 24, 2008
owes restitution $ 632.00 as of March 15, 2010
operating motor vehicle without valid ID – drivers lic suspended Aug 6, 2009
failure to appear Nov 14, 2009 – owes $ 32.00

Rafik Benhaida
aggravated battery March 12, 2009
bond set $ 3,000 May 28, 2009 – got public defender
ordered no contact with victim – maintain separate residence
Notice of letter filed from alleged victim, Cecelia Benhaida to Judge June 1, 2009
Bond discharged August 28, 2009
Please tell me this was not Sawgrass Apts.
just_a_mom
Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear

Re: Main Blog~Mon. March 15th~#1
just_a_mom Today at 2:33 am

I thought this was a good read until I saw Thinker’s post.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=507681472&blogId=531010607
just_a_mom
Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear

Re: Main Blog~Mon. March 15th~#1
kygirl09 Today at 2:35 am

just_a_mom wrote:
The_Thinker wrote:
George’s lover has used the names “River Allen” and “River Cruz” and “Krystal”.
Her legal name is Krystal N. Holloway (Allen) (Cruz)
Born in November 1971 – 38 years old – born in Massachusetts
At one time she lived at the same address as Jeffrey Allen in Orlando
At one time she may have been married to Hector Jason Cruz in Volusia County
Krystal had a Paternity case in 2002
careless driving in 2003 – owes $ 80.00
failure to comply in 2005 – owes $ 68.00
evicted from apartments in Orlando March 2008
unlawful speed July 2008 – owes $ 244.00
refusal to sign citation July 17, 2008 – one day in jail – owes $ 295.00
suspended drivers license – Dec 1, 2008
fail to obey traffic control device – dismissed – officer failed to attend
unlawful speed Feb 2009 – owes $ 249.00
driving with license suspended Feb 4, 2009 – owes $ 143.50
driving while license suspended/revoked Feb 12, 2009 – adjudication withheld

twin sister, Skye (Holloway) Benhaida – legal name is Cecelia
Peggy (Holloway) Benhaida – was/is married to Rafik Benhaida Feb 14, 2007
evicted from home in Florida – March 23, 2009
dealing in stolen property (trafficking) Feb 26, 2008
receiving money from pawnbroker by false verification
found guilty Sept 24, 2008
owes restitution $ 632.00 as of March 15, 2010
operating motor vehicle without valid ID – drivers lic suspended Aug 6, 2009
failure to appear Nov 14, 2009 – owes $ 32.00

Rafik Benhaida
aggravated battery March 12, 2009
bond set $ 3,000 May 28, 2009 – got public defender
ordered no contact with victim – maintain separate residence
Notice of letter filed from alleged victim, Cecelia Benhaida to Judge June 1, 2009
Bond discharged August 28, 2009
Please tell me this was not Sawgrass Apts.

Geezee ohh pleezee…hadn’t even thought of that…………
kygirl09
Supreme Commander of the Universe With Cape AND Tights AND Fancy Headgear

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This person The thinker googled the Behaida family and found this

Val, I hope it was ok to copy this

ROFL Kerflunkled! Just as I suspected!!!

Notice … evicted from apt in Orlando March 2008 .. someone wrote they hoped it wasn’t Sawgrass apts

Willow, I just saw your comment. I need to read before I start with proclamations I see. lol.

Even with the rap sheets on Skye and family, they are still of a higher class than Camp Anthony.

If memory serves me right, didn’t that letter to Judge S. from the crazy person mention that the real Zenaida lived at Sawgrass but was evicted in March 2008? And now someone says that River was evicted in March 2008? Coincidence?

ellejay said: { Mar 15, 2010 – 06:03:31 }
[Unread Comment]

……….idiot checking in, again——what’s a “flip video”??

Ellejay, you asked this yesterday, I did not get a chance to see it.

FlipVideo is a small inexpensive, yet quality video camera. My kids have them from second generation on.

After I looked at all the cameras last night, I am going to change my mind. That picture in the slide show that I referenced, is definitely a camera, but I think it is a digital still shot (most have video capability) but may not be a FlipVideo.

I think I was traumatized by the possibility of a ‘hot monkey sex’ video staring GA….and when I saw that picture, I automatically though flipvideo….but the strap connector is in the wrong place.

good additions to the tags cloud would be ‘absolutely’, ‘gut feeling’, ‘event planner’, and so on…

Val, Silver and Maura:

I have been out of loop for a few days so I may have missed any comment on this Motion (I apologize if you have) so I am posting here, I just read it and it’s quite entertaining in my opinion, you go Mr. NeJame.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22824888/detail.html

http://tinyurl.com/yb79gq5

“George Anthony’s attorney, Brad Conway, said he’s trying to do background checks on the women but have found the women have “multiple aliases.”

“George denies accepting any money from River Cruz. We don’t know if she donated any money to the search fund but if so it certainly was not a large amount as she claims,” Conway said in an e-mail. “George denies any sexual relationship and denies making the statement about Caylee’s death being an accident that snowballed out of control.”

FRG, Wow, now that was some good reading! LOL
Go Mark J! Tell it like it is! That song just popped into my head, sorry

Janielane said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 01:03:13 }

Wasn’t that hilarious??? I mean, not to JB for certain.
You gotta love Mr. NeJame!!!!

FRG said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 01:03:14 }
[Unread Comment]

Val, Silver and Maura:

I have been out of loop for a few days so I may have missed any comment on this Motion (I apologize if you have) so I am posting here, I just read it and it’s quite entertaining in my opinion, you go Mr. NeJame.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22824888/detail.html

****

Nice! Get ‘em, Mark.

Casey Anthony’s father denies telling woman Caylee’s death ‘snowballed out of control’
George Anthony denies having an affair with woman
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-woman-claims-affair-20100316,0,1841650.story
Now, Cindy is digging dirt out of River. Cindy’s wrath.

Ellejay,
Sorry I missed your post.

Joseph and Stacey Arrington Oaks were evicted from Sawgrass Apartment 210 (on February 25, 2008. They had lived in that apartment since June 24, 2006.

I know that the sisters Cruz and Benhaida are generally supported by this board, but I must go on the record as saying that, while I am still waiting for more solid information to surface, my hinky-meter is just about pegged here.

1. The overly dramatic and clownish video of River and Kalani.
2. Rap sheets as long as… well, you know.
3. More aliases than we can seem to get our heads around.
4. The similarities to the Zanny story – both George’s and KC’s (Especially the eviction?)

I am somewhat comfortable that they aren’t in it for money, at least that much makes good sense (for now…. But I have a feeling that their involvement is much deeper than they are letting on right now. I predict that more will come of this than some salacious pics of GA gettin’ busy before all is said and done.

FRG thanks for posting Nejame’s response..

Get um!! Nejame is the man, the Anthony’s effed up for sure when they lost his representation.

Janielane said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 09:03:02 }
Hi Janielane, et al!
I rarely post but appreciate being able to read this great forum of ideas. I want to mention something today that might be of interest. Although I am not a lawyer and based on the tiny amount of death penalty work I have been professionally exposed to, I understand that if a defendant gets the death penalty, it almost automatically leads to an appeal. I believe in some states it is literally automatic. And I have been told by a Texas death penalty lawyer that almost all of those appeals are based on an “ineffective counsel” argument. That is because there is rarely new evidence or new witnesses to warrant an appeal. It really does not matter if the lawyer slept through the proceedings (as has happened in Texas) or did a really fine job defending the person, the case gets appealed. Here in Texas it takes an average of 10 to 11 years to go from death penalty conviction to lethal injection, as I understand it. In conclusion, I suspect it does not matter if Jose Baez does a great job or an awful job, if Casey gets convicted and sentenced to the death penalty, the case will be appealed. Just something to keep in mind.

» Gabriella said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 02:03:44 }

good point!

Ouch, Mr. NeJame! That’s gonna leave a Mark….!

http://www.wftv.com/news/18159143/detail.html

George Refuses To Give Up Hope That Caylee Is Alive
Channel 9 learned Casey’s father, George Anthony, spent part of his Thanksgiving driving by himself around downtown Orlando and Winter Park towing his “Where is Caylee billboard.” Even after new evidence was released to support the theory Casey killed her daughter Caylee, George has continued searching for a live Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/22846532/detail.html

mistress states:

by Thanksgiving of that year after their affair had started, George told her Caylee’s death was an accident that snowballed out of control.

……so, a couple of different things coming from george thanksgiving 2008.

FRG thanks for posting Nejame’s response..

Get um!! Nejame is the man, the Anthony’s effed up for sure when they lost his representation.

………..ain’t that the truth!

..this is interesting,KB on nancy grace:

KATHI BELICH, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE WFTV, COVERING STORY: Well, there`s a hearing next week about the indigence issue. The judge will decide whether to find her indigent, whether the taxpayers will pay for the rest of the costs of her defense.

We have a deadline ticking here. The new evidence that has surfaced, that`s under investigation. Prosecutors asked the judge for permission to keep it secret from the defense. The judge agreed to do that 30 days.

That deadline is coming up in about 3 weeks, 2 1/2 weeks from now. If prosecutors want to extend it they have to justify to the judge why they think that needs to be extended.

Also, there`s more than 1,000 pages of new evidence that the defense has recently received that we should be getting soon as well. Some of it concerning a very troubled woman who`s trying to edge her way into this case and some other evidence as well.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho…=97951&page=14

» ellejay said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 03:03:27 }

Couldn’t get the link to work.

Maybe it’s Joy Wray???? And many not. Perhaps River? And maybe not ha

I tried to answer on another thread, but it was closed.

If it hasn’t been addressed yet, Diane Fanning in her book “Mommy’s Little Girl” used a fictional name, Cruz, for the last name of Rick Pleasea, Cindy’s brother, whom I’m sure was the source for Fanning’s background on the Pleasea family.

Fanning may have used fictional names for some of her other minor sources like Casey’s friends, co-workers, for example, but I can’t recall what their real names might be without rereading the book.

If other sources were minor players in the drama, I may not have been able to dicipher what their real names were. Too many in the cast of characters.

Sorry to be OT.

Whoa…Nejame really nuked Baez huh? Way to go!!!

I think Dianne Fanning called Rick Plesea “Rick CUSA”.

I’m pretty sure it wasn’t CRUZ but could be wrong.

sorry shyloh…maybe try this one..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97951&page=14

..if i had heard this last week:
Also, there`s more than 1,000 pages of new evidence that the defense has recently received that we should be getting soon as well. Some of it concerning a very troubled woman who`s trying to edge her way into this case and some other evidence as well.

..i would have assumed troubled=joy wray…but who knows.

..i read one of her book reviews yesterday——-that one said “cuza” for plesea…

..nonbe the less, coiincidence!

Mommys Little Girl,page 247, Rick is referred to Rick Cuza, brother to Cindy and uncle to KC

Thanks. I knew it wasn’t Cruz but Cuza is pretty weird now that you mention it.

Dr. Lilian Glass. an expert in body language, states that River is being truthful about the affair. An interesting read…….just wanted to share.

What I find weird is that she gave him a phony name at all. Anyone following the case, knows everyones real names anyway. Maybe a legal thing…what do I know?

» ellejay said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 04:03:19 }

Thank you it worked.

So George didn’t have horizontal bereavement counseling? No sex and he wasn’t paid?
It is my understanding that River gave a statement, has phone photos and has taken a polygraph. Of course we don’t know if she passed, but George has never given a polygraph.
Georges attorney claims to have not been notified or seen any evidence regarding River.
If George tells his lawyer a story (lie) and his lawyer repeats the story (lie) without checking with investigators on the truth of the matter, can either one get into legal trouble?? This is not the first time an untruth has passed this lawyers lips (no duct tape on the body).
I am confused, I thought lawyers were officers of the court.

tob said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 04:03:53

I am confused, I thought lawyers were officers of the court.

Tob, you are not confused. It really is very simple Conway starts spinning his wheels and as a result “misconstues” the facts.

CONway’s words have no meaning to me. He has lied before and twisted the truth so why should we believe him now?? IMO

» FRG said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 05:03:51 }
[Unread Comment]CONway’s words have no meaning to me. He has lied before and twisted the truth so why should we believe him now?? IMO

He is a hand puppet. (my opinion)

Does anyone else think it isn’t quite right for Luka to be commenting on this? He doesn’t exactly have objectivity.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22856798/detail.html
Alleged Anthony Affair Reveals Intensity Of Case
Prosecutors Work To Insure Witness Testimony

POSTED: 3:30 pm EDT March 16, 2010
Testimonial evidence is going to make or break the case,” Former Prosecutor Tom Luka said.

Luka was Lee Anthony’s attorney. Luka said any inconsistencies in George Anthony’s statement could damage the state’s case, and possibly benefit the defense by creating doubt.

“They need to make sure every witness is vetted to the utmost ability. Then nothing is a surprise when it comes down to the trial,” Luka said.

..i wonder if kalani, “white sunglasses dude”, (deranged) member of “the friends of kc—kc’s innocent” club———–and also friend of the mistress:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18257535/index.html

..kalani just happened to be arrested the same day ( or day before ) this mistress story broke:

http://florida.mugshotlist.com/bowles-kalani-aaronchristo/
..for “GIVING FALSE NAME ADVERSELY AFFECT ANOTHER”…

( he sure has a long enough “sheet” considering his age):

http://tinyurl.com/ybxtpx9

………i wonder, who he was impersonating ? and did he remain friends with river after their searching for caylee days ended ? if so, did she tell him about her and george ?

OMG was that Kalani in the bathing suit photo?

j/k

geetwillickers said:

I know that the sisters Cruz and Benhaida are generally supported by this board…

I think that would be a totally errant statement. First off, this board doesn’t have a collective consciousness. Second, I know I am not “supporting” them. Just because I treated Skye with respect and was grateful to have the opportunity to TRY to glean relevant information, does not mean I “support” anyone. By the way, Skye was not willing to answer questions of relevancy and therefore I cut off discourse on the board, because it felt like I was sponsoring a soap opera instead of getting information that could validate or invalidate the rumors released by mainstream media.

So…you may not be so alone in your thinking as you think you are.

I haven’t yet seen any mention of Richard Hornsby’s recent appearance on the Blog Radio Show, which is very timely and of great import. Although this show starts off with a discussion of the GA affair, RH extensively covers the whole gamut of issues likely to be discussed at Thursday’s indigency hearing as well as his opinion as to how JB has been handling Casey’s defense thus far and how the media attention being given to the trivial GA affair is diverting everyone’s attention away from Thursday’s significant hearing.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/w…5/watts-up-with-this

Valhall

You are great.

Thanks Suz!
Suz said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 11:03:47 }

I don’t know how thinker does it..very good in the research department.

Hector Cruz? I have heard that name before..there has to be hundreds of people by that name.

Does it sound familiar to anyone who has more knowledge of this case?

Ok, How’s this:
Juliette Lewis dated Brad Pitt who starred in “Ocean’s Eleven” with Matt Damon who played in “All the Pretty Horses” with Penelope CRUZ who is actually the more famous sister-in-law to River!

Eureka! See, Juliette did know Zanny!
Just kidding around!

» Kerflunkled said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 06:03:33

..yep—-reminded me of “the 6 degrees of seperation” w/ kevin bacon..

Val,

To this day I have no idea why Conway would hold a conference to talk about the discoveries, he contradicts himself a lot of times and he is not a scientist, what good would come out of this anyway??? Isn’t that stupid to do, well it’s just my own opinion.
I am sure you have watched this, I was looking for one particular interview of Conway and I jot sucked into this. I am sorry if you discussed this interview.
You wrote many articles on the duct tape I know and I thank you for that.

RAW VIDEO: Anthonys’ Attorney Holds News Conference
Watch the full news conference held by Anthony family attorney Brad Conway about “new evidence.” (09/30/09)
http://www.wftv.com/video/21160739/index.html

Regarding Luka:

Oh, for Pete’s sake. Someone gag the guy with a gyro, please!

That’s my opinion. He should be reserving his opinion, considering his position.

But of course he’s going to make it sound bad for the prosecution. That’s his paid obligation to the Anthony’s, I suppose. Oops, he’s pro bono too, right? Yeah right.

But, and in my 2 bit opinion, this can only HURT the defense as it will surely further prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, (at least in the public eye) that Princess Poopy Pants AND her Dogtown DADDY have NO regard for the difference between right and wrong, and especially if Papa George swaggered (yes, that’s the word I want) some single parent/cancer patient out of $5000!

Now, I’m going to grit my teeth and squint my eyes real tight and hold my breath as I prepare to be lashed with a noodle by either Silver or Maura, but IMHO, this extramarital affair is going to have NO bearing on the evidences compiled against Casey for which she is being brought to trial. The only bearing it could possibly have would be the presentation of sound evidence of the alleged fact that George knows how Caylee died, and that would still be AT THE HANDS OF HER MOTHER.

At this point, I would bet my eye teeth (just to be safe, I’m not offering a child) that there is NO such evidence, right?

IMHO, the Duh-fense had best start praying there’s no credibility to this woman’s story, lest George be sharing a county jail cell with Casey. Talk about obstruction!

Can’t you just see me clicking the heels of my glass slippers and repeating, “Oh please let it be true! Please let it be true!” It won’t change the evidences that are against Casey… It can only bring trouble to George and Cindy.

That’s just my opinon, so don’t flog me, kay?

Willow

FRG,

Yes, I did respond to his errant (false?) statements in the duct tape article about the cloth.

8) Oh, and by the way HALL, you DO NOT give yourself near the credit you deserve.

That’s my opinion too.
And I’m not wrong on this one.

Valhall said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 07:03:48 }

Thank you Val, my memory is bad… I will go back and read it again. I apologize.

Willow said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 07:03:42 }

That was funny!!!!

In Fanning’s book , in the acknowledgments she said she’d changed Mr. and Mrs. Peasa’s name to Cuza to protect their privacy

%I’m just a soul whose intentions are good. OH Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood. Eric Burdon and the Animals.%

………on nancy grace right now:

kathi says ” ivestigators came by “( river’s house) on feb. 18th——-( so, when the Judge was asked to “seal ” info for a month—–back on feb. 24th— this could be it.(?)

..river’s sister, skye, is on live w/ nancy grace ( sitting in front of a bookshelf full of books——–possibly in her/their lawyer’s office.)

..she says river and george had text messages almost daily…

..river lives in a gated community——–therefore there are records of george driving in to visit river
..skye says he was supposed to come by for lunch——-didn’t—–he was to come the next day——–didn’t——-and that was the end of the “affair”.

..she couldn’t remember “the exact date” this “lunch never occurred”——i wish she had been asked——–”ok, approx. when ???”

..the sister swears that george mentioned——”caylee’s death was an accident—–snowballed……..” again, she doesn’t give a date for this stmt.

..also—-river was “discovered by LE” ——due to HER cell # , coming up on HIS phone…

Ellejay said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 07:03:19 }

Thank you very much on the update! NG might be on fire today with her “Bombshells”!!! LOL

» WSH said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 09:03:00 }

It’s even more interesting when one considers the fact that the Anthony’s were still looking for a live Caylee, right?

Sigh.

..nancy grace cont’d:

..bill shaeffer, ( i love him! and find him to be HIGHLY believable). says that he believes that she has passed the polygraph—-has spoken with the sisters ( or maybe just skye ), finds them( again, i wasn’t taking notes—–it may again be just skye) to be very credible, says there is/are “intimate” pictures.

..skye says george came to “their house” ( i take it they live together) MANY times, when asked if she had seen george there: ” yes, many times, i’ve seen them in ac…..i’ve seen them together”.she says when knowing he was coming by, she’d sometimes leave, to give them privacy, or would simply go to her own room.

..the lawyers, sheaffer incl. agreed THE biggest thing is—–did he tell her, with knowledge, before the remains were found——-that he knew it was an accident—?—and therefore knew she was indeed dead at the time ?

..they keep saying———-this could provide “reasonable doubt” for the jury——-can someone tell me how ?

I heard on the bloggers talk radio program from Sunday night, Rozzie Franco stating that she KNOWS that Lee wnet looking for Casey only one week after she and Caylee were last seen which would have been around 6-22 or 6-23. This was the first I have ever heard that. She says it will come out at trial.

Has anybody else heard this from an other sources.

I love this site.

Silver, where are you???????

And if you’re about, how is it possible that this could cause reasonable doubt? Wouldn’t this rather confirm that Casey killed her daughter?

How would this information (if in fact George said such a thing) alter the evidence at hand, such as computer searches, incessant lying, partying, three pieces of duct tape, 31 days and decomp in an abandoned car as well as a dead baby less than a quarter of a mile away?

What proof/evidences does George have of an accidental death? Won’t he have to “show/produce” some sort of proof of the assertions made? He wasn’t a witness, or was he? So many have opined that it was Lee who may have helped Casey. What if it was George?

On a much more pleasant note, You wouldn’t happen to be training for the Tour de France coming up in July, now would you?

Willow

IMO, even if George said he KNEW it was a fact– i.e. he witnessed the accident or KC confessed to him–who in the world would BELIEVE him or her NOW! I mean, 21 (22 for KC) months of lying about an accident would be incredibly ri-donk- ulous!! Not to mention the duct tape…
Speaking of duct tape, try to imagine George telling an “accident story” like he did the “duct-tape-over-the-vent-hole-in-the-gas-can story.” Ha! What would that sound like?!

NJ Sleuth said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 08:03:32 } I heard on the bloggers talk radio program from Sunday night, Rozzie Franco stating that she KNOWS that Lee wnet looking for Casey only one week after she and Caylee were last seen which would have been around 6-22 or 6-23. This was the first I have ever heard that. She says it will come out at trial.
Has anybody else heard this from an other sources.

…………maura shot that down : ( with a timeline of lee…roz is mistaken.:

Maura said: { Mar 15, 2010 – 11:03:27 }

Not only is that story not mentioned anywhere in Lee’s SAO deposition, but the testimony he did give while under oath strongly suggests Rozzie is wrong about Lee’s running into a drunk Casey at an Orlando club during the third week of June.

He said for the latter two weeks of June, he was out of town on back-to-back week-long business trips.

Page 53:

Lee: I don’t think I went over to the house at all during that period of time [June 15 through July 3]. That period of time was really crazy for her at work. I was, I had two different business trip, like week trips back-to-back so, I mean, I wasn’t even in Orlando for the better part of June, the latter end of June.

He said he doesn’t go out to bars because he and Mallory are an established couple. He was ticked off on the night of July 3, in part because he did have to hang around nightclubs.

Page 70:

Lee: She’s [Cindy] calling me and telling me to go out. I don’t want to go out. I have a girlfriend. I have no reason to go downtown and socialize, like. So it’s not my scene anymore. So I’m out here. People are having a good time, you know, whatever, and I’m here trying to make my mom happy, like, I was not in a good mood.

And he said until Cindy called him on July 3 to say she hadn’t seen Casey or Caylee for two weeks, he had no idea anything regarding Casey and Caylee was out of the ordinary:

Page 81:

SAO: Now, from the middle of June until July 3rd, you really didn’t even know anything was going on.

Lee: No.

*****

IMO, Rozzie is simply wrong. I don’t believe Lee saw Casey at all during the 30 days.
Maura said: { Mar 15, 2010 – 11:03:30 }

Also, the week after Casey and Caylee departed was the period Casey claimed to be in Tampa (Friday, June 20 through Friday, June 27).
On Friday, June 20, she was at Fusian participating in a hot body contest. Her cell pings show she stayed in at Tony’s apartment for the rest of the weekend.
On Monday, June 23 at 12:40am, Casey left the following on Lee’s MySpace: “here’s my question…is ‘the windy city’ an appropriate nickname for chicago? is it really THAT windy? i’ve always wondered.”
So he probably was out of town that week.
On Tuesday, June 24, Casey ran into George in the afternoon when she showed up at the house (not expecting George to be there) and did not have Caylee with her. She claimed Caylee was in Tampa being watched by Juliet.
So George himself had seen Casey without Caylee one week after they left the house and was told Caylee was being watched by a friend.

I don’t see how the defense could ever change the story to an accident or that Roy Kronk is responsible.

The defendant gave 2 statements in which she said Zanny had Caylee and refused to bring her back.

Could one of the legal people here explain how they could ever change that story?

Thanks, this has bothered me for some time.

Look what I found, Valhall. Re: Zenaida Gonzalez Office Robbery

Submitted by ZenaidaGonzalez on 10-Jun-08 09:06 AM
At Brevard county moms web page

http://brevardcounty.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=444332&m=599876

started my Monday morning by walking into a crime scene. When I arrived at my office I found out it had been robbed over the weekend. Most of the computers and other gadgets were gone.

Luckily no one was hurt and other than having to fill out a lot of paperwork no one is worse for the wear.

However, I’m a paranoid mama. I have pictures of my daughter and husband all over the office. My name is on my office door and our administrator’s office has all employee home address and phone number on her desktop. Don’t think social security numbers were compromised, but I’m not taking any chances. I’m in the processes of flagging my credit.

It’s one thing to feel like someone has come in and taken you for a ride, taking anything of value. Luckily I don’t keep many personal in my office other than picture, some snacks and Tylenol. But I’m worried about my home since my daughter is in the picture. Someone is always home so at least that’s something.

Am I being too paranoid? I can’t imagine how I would feel if our home had been robbed. I feel bad enough with my office. Any advice for a jittery mother?

hmmmmm…..

****

If this is the Zenaida Gonzalez who worked at UCF in the PR department, then it appears the computers and electronics for the entire office were stolen. Also, it appears the computers were desktops, not laptops. And it appears her home address was on her computer, but not other personal information even though she took precautions.

At any rate, it was not a targeted ZG robbery IMO, and if that office is open Monday-Friday, the robbery happened between Friday evening and Monday morning but was only discovered Monday morning.

And this (second paragraph) . . .

sandra says:
September 26, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Zak not the dump they wont let anyone near it, out side of where her home developement is . I was frankly shocked but i guess this guy thought I was video taping him(thats what he said). Thank goodness a very nice young man rescued my phone for me. I told him I was only taking pictures of all the signs saying Killer, murder, you name it.

I did have a very interesting conversation with a woman who works at the jail who lives in her neighorhood. She told me that while in jail that she would just read anything , newpaper, books , but she always writing letters and then one day when she went to talk to her attorney they copied them and turned them over to the states attorney ofice. I asked if she read them and she said she wished she had but her supervisor told her they were to Lee and Tony.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/open-thread-for-the-nancy-grace-show-9-26-08/#comments

*****

“The neighborhood” is the Anthony neighborhood. And apparently (if this information is correct), someone who appears to work in the Female Detention Center lives in that neighborhood.

Casey was writing letters to Lee and Tony and the jail personel grabbed some of them, and them, and shared them with the SAO? But there weren’t any letters, right?

BTW – I can’t verify Sandra’s identity, but she said she lives in Florida and is the wife of an attorney who was appointed to a judicial position in late 2008/early 2009.

SKYE B … JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW SOMEHOW HOW NICE YOU LOOKED TONITE ON THE NANCY GRACE SHOW… YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF COMING ACROSS VERY CLEAR IN THE INTERVIEW… HOPING YOU MIGHT BE READING THIS BLOG AND HOPE YOU GET THE MESSAGE .

Another point I had not heard was that tonite on Nancy Grace it was mentioned that Skye & River live in a gated community and to enter you have to stop at a security gate and that the police has records in their possession from the guard that shows George making visits……

Lily…you’re right! Cusa not Cruz. I had Cruz on the brain. Sorry.

Maura, interesting.

To any connections Casey had with UCF, visits she may have made that would pass her by a door with the name ZG on it etc as described in the post. Not saying there’s a connec

Jesse Grund, maybe others, football friends (maybe one Andy France) (??) seem to have connections with or in the hospitality dept would Casey have any occasion to go by the UCF PR dept? 50 thousand students, anyone could do a lot of visiting and wandering, and never be noticed. Maybe completely different parts of the campus, or maybe not.

CONTACT: Zenaida Gonzalez Kotala, UCF News and Information…
UCF Stands For Opportunity –The University of Central Florida is a metropolitan research university that ranks as the 5th largest in the nation with more than 50,000 students. UCF’s first classes were offered in 1968. The university offers impressive academic and research environments that power the region’s economic development. UCF’s culture of opportunity is driven by our diversity, Orlando environment, history of entrepreneurship and our youth, relevance and energy. For more information visit http://news.ucf.edu.

Zenaida Gonzalez Kotala
UCF News and Information
407-823-6120
zkotala@mail.ucf.edu
Media hotline: 407-823-5300
Twitter: http://twitter.com/ucfnewsroom

Andy France’s Facebook page with the UCF/Rosen connection.

http://www.facebook.com/andy.france1

McEnscene – neither one of us was right. I think it was Cuza not Cusa (like I thought).

But I guess we know it wasn’t Cruz.

Can someone answer a question for me…Silver or Maura maybe. Do you know, in Florida, the average length of time between DP sentence and when the actual DP is carried out?

Thank you anyway…I just found it….average is 12.68 yrs in case anyone is interested.

maura, thanks for that link.

..it’s so interesting now, to go back——read “old” news clips,”old” transcripts, knowing what we know now opposed to then..

..for one thing—-now—we know, through xfriend interviews, that she (annoyingly!) inviting them to fusian every damn friday ( to pump up xb/f tony’s ) club promo.

..but then: ( from this article):

CINDY ANTHONY: ( talking about jesse).

“It was an 18-minute conversation on June 27 that he had with Casey that she invited him out to Fusian`s– to cheer him up.”

……..sorry cindy—-kc could care less if he was “cheered up” or not—–he got the fusian invite just like all of the others—–one more person in the door=good promo for tony.

For the record, I only posted the ZG robbery comment because I had told Valhall a few months ago that I had seen a source for that information.

And for the record, I don’t believe that break-in at UCF has any connection to Casey Anthony. Lots of people believe there’s a connection – even that Casey stole the computer to use personal information. That’s a theory I reject.

That office is probably in an administrative building on campus, certainly not a dorm and not likely a student center. Casey would not have been in there, and even if someone she knew had business in the PR office, why would anyone tell Casey the names of the people who worked there?

EDRN that is really interesting. I thought it would take longer wending its way through the Courts. 12.68 years. Hummm. I hope this case gets to trial in a third of that.

Not sure if this is OT, but
Why would someone (“(Alex ZIna” take my post here and claim it as their own over at bb12′s blog? Looks like it also happened to someone else 30 minutes before over there who recognized thier post, too, but it was pasted by a different person (“tom wright”.I don’t know if the original other poster (“Pat” had her quote taken from THM, too.

It is just very strange to be reading elsewhere and see my quote word for work by someone else. Especially since i’m not a frequent poster or so notable as to find my words reposted elsewhere..

Sorry if I offended.

What I meant by “support” was more along the lines of seeing them as the victims of George instead of having nefarious purposes of their own… I suppose I may have overestimated or mis-characterized that support. Still, the main idea of my post – that there is more to this than meets the eye – still stands.

Of course, there have been so many odd and unexplainable coincidences in this case so far that I could be entirely wrong. I just have this feeling…

Geet – Im withholding judgment on this new turn of events, but I do not consider them victims by any stretch…..if you go willingly into an affair, willingly give the dude your money….imo you are not a victim. She doesnt look THAT young to me….

and I guess I should clarify that Im not even convinced there was an affair….

» Ellejay said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 07:03:19 }..also—-river was “discovered by LE” ——due to HER cell # , coming up on HIS phone…”

I have trouble with this. Why did it take more than a year to uncover this? The alleged relationship was over almost a year ago. I think there is something more to it, I don’t know what, but I have a hard time buying that they only recently found these #s on George’s phone. Somehow, I suspect there will be a connection between them and other kid finder’s followers, or something. Something recently was uncovered that pointed to them as being substantially involved? They had to know that these numbers showed up last year.

Silver or AZLawyer –

In reading the motion to declare Casey indigent the attachments say ‘estimated cost’ and the amount entered is the amount supposedly already paid…..is that the correct way to file this or should the amount be the estimated cost to the state?

OR_this is not what the state wanted to delay disclosure of??

This is rumor: but what of the supposed Yulu team that was putting out reasonable doubt across a broad range of sites? Were these women uncovered there? Does/did that group effort even exist?

Is this another side show only?

I strongly agree with Willow, this alleged affair will have no bearing on the case against Casey! Also, IMO George Anthony has no more knowledge of how Caylee died than the rest of us. He was giving his opinion (wishful thinking as it might have been) and the statement was not based on any knowledge that he had. The only human that knows how that child died is Casey Anthony and

sorry- CASEY WILL GO TO HER GRAVE

sorry-keep hitting the enter key! As I was saying, Casey will go to her grave with the true story of how she murdered this child!!

But Linda, if he DID give that opinion, he did so while the family was insisting that there were live sightings of Caylee. How do you insist your granddaughter is alive while offering to someone that she is dead, regardless of the cause of death?

On the other hand, I agree, we don’t know other than her word, if there is anything that substantiates that the statement was even made.

» Patricia said: { Mar 16, 2010 – 10:03:21 }

I agree! I watched NG caylee’s coverage last night and i thought Skye looked like a 10! LOL but really, she did look nice and spoke well even with Nancy starting in on the badgering and repeat questions

idk but this woman sounds honest to me and i would assume if you claim to have pictures and texts you would know you will have to produce them. Also the police didn’t confiscate her camera cuz they WEREN’T interested in what was on it…

Conway & George have stated she is in this for money and shopping her story to the national enquirerer and there was no affair / Skye said last night there is no such deal or story w/ the NE and she saw George and her sister together in her own house with her own eyes…Hmm who should we believe..2 KNOWN LIARS or Skye…uhh i’m going w/ skye…

Is there a video link of the Nancy Grace show, Chop?

I am getting “error messages” again, anyone else?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/03/16/ng.tot.mom.cnn

let me also add i don’t think it’s really useful to the murder case, but maybe it could be helpful to an obstruction charge for C&G??

Well, a girl can dream can’t she…

http://www.youtube.com/user/shylohg

This is my yourtube if you would like to watch videos there WSH

Bill Sheaffer said River was given a poly early on and LE continued the investigation, it makes sense that she passed otherwise they wouldn’t have continued.

Mrs. C Hop,

I agree with you, why say you have something that you know you will have to produce at some point if you don’t have it?

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 09:03:13 }Conway & George have stated she is in this for money and shopping her story to the national enquirerer

Well if anyone would know about shopping stories (photos) to make money, Conway and the Anthonys would. Sounds like an adult version of what the kids say, “it takes one to know one”, right?

Morning!

At first I didn’t know what to believe, but I’m starting to lean towards Skye/River being the ones telling the truth….

George, Cindy and everyone else involved has proven to be liars, and like River said, she didn’t go looking to sell her story, LE came to her.
If she was in it for the money, that’s the first thing she would have done.

I just hope she’s got enough to nail George’s ballz to the wall!

Bless Baby Caylee. ♥

WSH, I don’t know where you can find a video of Ngrace’s show last night, but you can read the transcript…..pretty interesting.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/16/ng.01.html

Ooops. Didn’t see that someone had already posted a link. Sorry.

There may have been an affair (but it’s a big ‘so what’ as far as the murder trial is concerned), but that still doesn’t ‘prove’ anything.

I don’t like the fact that this sister is plastering herself all over the internet and on the Nancy (*gag*) Grace show if she’s really trying to aid LE in their investigation. There is something extremely unseemly about a potential witness or the relative of a potential witness exposing herself (sorry, but that’s how I see it) AND her sister’s affair to the world. It smacks of something unhelpful and self serving.

All this brou-haha about George sent me back to review his initial interview (unsworn) with LE on July 24, 2008: I made a few notes that I find more disturbing now in light of the newest twists in this story:
July 24, 2008:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5073237/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview-24-July
Pg. 6-7 Lectures re Cindy’s attitude
Pg. 15-17 LE “we’ll make trouble for you”
Pg. 18 – 1st mention of J Grund attempts to lie or does die
Pg 19, Line 20 – tosses Cindy under the bus; Casey steals from us; discussion re J Baez –stopped from saying atty at the house, denies it even tho’ he slipped.
Pg. 24 stain in trunk
Pg. 25 accident theory
Pg. 27 Cindy tells Geo. “we lost her”
Pg. 28 Geo calls Lee says Casey is in a lot of trouble
Pg. 31 tosses Casey under the bus
Pg. 35 refers to gas cans as trash cans (sign of deceit?)
Pg. – Brainstorming re date pool ladder was down
Pg. 42 – fake $4,100.00 deposit slip
Pg. 43 discussion possible accident
Pg. 48 Geo says he search names Zenaida on the computer
Pg. 51 discusses paying J Baez
Pg. 55 discusses 2005 separation – probs. w/ daughter
Pg. 57 Geo asks if tests on car are back yet
Pg. 59 – Geo. doesn’t want Lee to know he’s with LE
Pg. 60 –Line 16
Pg. 63 – Line 5 – his sister’s mental problems
Pg. 71 Det. Says Geo is throwing up.

» PonderingWhy said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 09:03:29 }

I agree Pondering, on the other hannd, birds of a feather flock together, or water will find it’s own level…too many cliches,lol?

Pg. 39 – brainstorming about date pool ladder was down

I wish I had a quarter for every time these people use the word “stuff” – I’d be a permanent reident of Vegas!

hannd/ hand

George had his suspicions about Casey’s involvement in the disappearance of Caylee from the very beginning and expressed to the FBI that he knew she was lying about a lot of things leading up to the departure from the home. Remember the FBI, in the interview, asking George why he didn’t confront Casey on many occasions, and he replied that Cindy kept him from speaking up. I have thought from the VERY BEGINNING that George suspected Casey’s involvement, and after all this evidence has come out George KNOWS Casey is guilty. But, for the details of the crime, he will have to “see this through” as he said once. HOWEVER, IMO George knows what is at stake for Casey and therefore would, under no circumstances, express his thoughts to anyone.

Pondering,
I guess it comes down to who seems more credible, two that are known to lie, ie Conway & George, or two that haven’t said anything for the last 2(?) years.

Guess time will tell….

I think its high time for Geo. and Cin. to get a big bowl of comeuppance b/c you just do not ehf around with law enforcement. There is speculation that this affair came about due to investigation of Geo. and Cin. and I, for one, say BRING IT ON, BOYZ!

I also believe there is a huge amount of information that has been withheld from public disclosure and I only hope I live long enough to see it all through its end and that the Anthony name/case will be nothing more than oj dust. With one exception and that is that Caylee have eternal peace and rememberance and reverance in our hearts and history. Just like Diana was the peoples’ Princess, Caylee has become the peoples’ child.

Silence is as bad as a lie when the murder of a child is at issue.

For me, it isn’t a question of who to believe ‘more’, it’s a question of whether to believe either of them.

» Linda Pope said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 09:03:42 }

I don’t know about that. Let me say that I doubt this is documented. But George appeared to WANT TO say things many times. If you look at interviews on TV, you could almost see it nearly coming forth, but Cindy turning the spin with a leg “pinch”. You could see him put his head down with clear indicators of shame. People often tell tales out of school. I’m not saying he did or didn’t. But I could see him needing to get it off of his chest. Who better to tell than someone who you believe can be discounted? AND someone whom you’ve texted, whether in a sexual relationship, or not, ” I need you in my life”? Sounds, at the least, like confidante to me.

HAHA WiSH

» PonderingWhy said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 09:03:29 }
What are they getting out of it? As far as i know Skye and River exposed nothing, WFTV exposed the affair. If Wftv and various blog sites posted pictures of you and your family and then accompianed that with a story which contained things that you beleive were false would you stay quite or would you speak up and tell your side? I think pretty much eveyone involved has confirmed THEY approached skye/river and not the other way around…And if i was skye and heard all these people talkin sh*t about my sister i’d want to do the exact same thing and get the truth out…

The Sheriff never granted the private meeting between George and Casey that George schooled her on how to write a note of request (which she did), did he? I have no recollection of that ever happening. BUT WHY did Geo. instruct Casey about that and WHAT would have been HIS agenda? Hmmm. I also recall a video of one jail visit where Casey tells Cindy that she wants to talk to Dad instead of her – again I don’t have the immediate details but it points to something [dare I say] “hinky” in my book

AggieMom said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 09:03:23 }

I happen to agree with you. Many people are using the Media, LP is, JW is or was, KC’s attorneys have used the cameras to “twist the truth”, the Anthony’s made money with their appearances (licensing fees as I guess it’s called), BC so far has made $3,000 from defending the A’s (IIRC), Kiomarie sold her story to Enquirer maybe there are more… but just to list some.
BTW, why wouldn’t george have an affair? If IIRC, I read the transcripts and somebody, maybe Rick Plesea or Cindy’s mother told about George’s affair before all of this had happened. IMO
I am waiting for George’s phone records to be released and see how many times he has called River Cruz. According to the news LE got to River from George’s cell phone.

At least River was willing to take a lie detector test. That’s more than George was willing to do….

I do agree with you about the affair…it’s not relevant, but if there’s proof he made mention of *accident*, then that changes everything.

The sexual relationship actually matters less. If it was purely a sexual relationship, that might even diminish the veracity of statements. BUT, if you establish an emotional relationship and substantiate it, you have a more believable scenario where one might trust and want to clear their conscience or diffuse the guilt of their off spring to look better through the eyes of this friend.

What are they getting out of it? I assume they didn’t chat with MzGrace for free, but even if they did, the point is, this is a case concerning the murder of a child (wouldn’t matter if it was an adult, but the fact it’s a child makes it even more hideous). If it were me, my sister’s ‘reputation’ would take a back seat to the fact their is an ongoing trial. I certainly would NOT go on television or the internet and talk about it.

Not only that, but if her sister’s ‘reputation’ mattered, I woudn’t think going on television and the internet revealing intmate details of an affair with a married man is going to earn her any gold stars. Maybe I’m old, but affairs with married people aren’t something I would think annyone would want spalshed all over the news.

River/Crystal/Krystal/Cruz/Allen is no innocent bystander in this. She took up with a married man (whose wife she claimed to be friends with, no less), and she kept silent about information she claims relates directly to what happened to a murdered child.

For shame!

I think that there was a lot of poor judgment, I’d go as far as to say that these people might have been motivated to be insiders for the attention. Or being a part of something that was”big”. Outside of Mother Theresa or the Dalai Lama , who do we believe is going to attach themselves to these people? You’ve got L Padilla (originally), the Milsteads, you’ve got the friend with battery charges, Joy Wray, that Lady who had a fight with Cindy over “stuff” at the memorial site. You don’t see family members in the picture. yadda yadda.

Well i am sure her sister’s “reputation” matters to her.
Most times affairs are Not splashed over the news but if they are on the news and the internet where would You address them at? and YES affairs are wrong and River was wrong to have one with a married man but no one is disputing that? not even River…And there really is Not information that pertains to the murder…the relevant information is George A’s contradictions at the time, i don’t think Anyone really belives he has 1st hand knowledge of what happened.

I agree that there is something in it for them. Like everyone else who attached themselves to this case. Hopefully something true can be gleaned from it. Remember, if Padilla wasn’t such a whore for attention, you wouldn’t have Tracy’s testimony. And Tracy is another one who maintained contact and passed along emails. Anyone who came along after the case broke is strange, in my opinion. With maybe the exception of NeJame, who took a hike, and Lyon who has larger goals, maybe. I believe Brad Conway might have entered with good intentions, but is now up to his eyeballs in BS now.

Chop

I don’t think he has firsthand knowledge, but I have wondered if Casey didn’t spin a tale of an accident to placate Cindy, so that they could all move forward in protecting her.

Mrs. C Hop,

Respectfully, I think LE is (and have) been investigating George and Cindy about their knowledge of what happened and that’s how this woman surfaced. All of their statements and actions are going to haunt them (in my 2 cents’ worth of opinion, that is….

Respectfully, and I know my opinion isn’t the only valid one, but it IS my opinion that her sister’s reputation is far more damaged by splashing her affair all over the intenet and tv than it would be had she kept a dignified silence (as others in this case have done; witness, Amy H.).

No one likes to be insulted, but so what? People have endured far worse than anything this girl has endured, and they’ve maintained their dignity in allowing the process to take its course. She and her sister could easily have done the same, if for no other reason that to honor the memory of a child and aid in the progress of justice.

» PonderingWhy said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:59 }
[Unread Comment]Respectfully, and I know my opinion isn’t the only valid one, but it IS my opinion that her sister’s reputation is far more damaged by splashing her affair all over the intenet and tv than it would be had she kept a dignified silence (as others in this case have done; witness, Amy H.).

I completely agree. But there you have a difference between the “before” and “after” people.
Know what I’m saying?

I am bothered by the woman’s photos in the paper early on. One was even run in the Cincinatti, Ohio Tribune back on 12/11/08. Of course, the public didn’t know who she was at the time, but on the other hand, we didn’t know about Monica Lewinski when her picture popped up pre-exposion, either. She was either in the wrong place at the wrong time OR she wanted tobe photo’ed. Does one just approach a tragic figure such as George Anthony held himself out to be back in 2008 and strike up a conversation that leads to “dancin’ in the dark?” Like R. Hunter did when she went after John Edwards?

Ms. Cruz, Why part with your cash? Oh, he lied. Hmmm, well, that is, indeed, very sad.

At age 38, you didn’t think it was odd that this seemingly middle-class gent. with a nice vehicle, home and expensive haircut, was penniless? Oh, he couldn’t get a job because of all the notoriety. Hmmm, well, I guess tht would make some sense.

But weren’t you the least bit curious as to how he was living? Oh, his wife makes good money as nurse – and you’re a paramedic. Hmmm, well, then you know the approximate earning range for RN’s – whether they are married or not. Hmmm, well.

Ms. Cruz, At any time did Mr. Anthony ever indicate that he had any source of money of his own – earnings or otherwise? Oh donations in the buckets went to the foundation and not to the family. Hmmm, well, that’s certainly confusing, but I’m sure it makes more sense lying down.

» Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:43 }

Chat
You have women that fall in love with serial killers. If the postings of arrests and so forth about her are true, then she is a troubled woman with impulse control issues and judgment problems. Some people can’t bear a moment without drama; drawn to it like moths to a flame.
I wouldn’t be surprised if mentioning the cancer, and the $5k is not unlike the pity party flag that George hoisted up the pole to get donations (at this point); Water will reach it’s own level.

If you remember way back when the Anthony clan got “bat” phones because they were under the opinion that they could not be traced. Somewhere along the line, perhaps from Dom de dumb dumb’s phone records, LE obtained those numbers and started pulling the records and lo and behold other numbers came out and text messages became known. It is highly probable while checking out those numbers they find River and go banging on her door. IMHO

Foxie

I agree, something is up. Check my earlier post upthread.

An open lettter to Ms. Cruz:

Ms. Cruz,

I’m sorry that you’ve been had and I’m sorry that you may be treated unkindly. There really does seem to be “A Curse of The Anthonys” after all. I feel that you would do well to take an example from Laci Peterson’s family and cloak yourselves in dignity and remain above the fray of the media world. If your information helps to convict a killer in a murder case then you are to be appreciated. However, what remains is that Law Enforcement had to search you out as opposed to you volunteering what you may or not may know that would help in this case. Not to be judgmental of anyone’s human condition, but please for the sake of your future, be good to yourself.

Chat

Maybe the police “don’t mind” that this is out there?

PS

Provided some details are held back.

Its just possible that someone was cunning enough to take that snowballed accident language out of the July 24, 2008 interview and create a she said/he said scenario within a certain relationship – platonic or otherwise – to try to CREATE REASONABLE DOUBT or at least garner 15 minutes of fame. I’m still very skeptical of the actual happenings. Just who was hustling whom?

WSH – I like the way you think.

» Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:59 } Mrs. C Hop,

Respectfully, I think LE is (and have) been investigating George and Cindy about their knowledge of what happened and that’s how this woman surfaced. All of their statements and actions are going to haunt them (in my 2 cents’ worth of opinion, that is…).

I agree 100%! I believe they found her through George’s cell phone, Ponderingwhy..how do you know What this woman has endured? MY point is that Nobody Knows, why is everyone jumping on this woman like she must be lying she must want money she shoulda done this she shouldnt say this…well different strokes for different folks…you know what they didn’t do for sure??? MURDER A BABY

AND THEN COVER IT UP

WHILE COLLECTING MONEY TO FIND HER..

just sayin..

I, for one, am happy that these sisters are ‘splashing’ themselves all over the media. It is about time that someone stood up to the Anthonys! Conman is running around denying the story & calling them liars. I say….keep going, girls! Do what you have to do to get the truth out.

Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:38 } HAHA WiSH

As far as i know Skye and River exposed nothing, WFTV exposed the affair. If Wftv and various blog sites posted pictures of you and your family and then accompianed that with a story which contained things that you beleive were false would you stay quite or would you speak up and tell your side? I think pretty much eveyone involved has confirmed THEY approached skye/river and not the other way around…And if i was skye and heard all these people talkin sh*t about my sister i’d want to do the exact same thing and get the truth out…

*****

Skye approached WFTV with the story. On Monday, March 15, when Skye and River were at OCSO, several reporters (WFTV9 and WESH2) asked them questions on camera:

WESH2 to Skye: “Now you have approached several stations with this story. Why?”

Skye: “Me? I haven’t called any stations just [looked to where Kathi Belich was standing] . . . one.”

Does anyone here beleive as Richard Hornsby and Rozzie do that this is a planned diversion to the hearing tomorrow? I kind of find that hard to swallow but stranger things have happened.

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:41 }
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Good points Chop.

» Janielane said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:27 }

I don’t buy Hornsby’s assessment as WFTV is not owned by ABC. Like Val said, I believe, we are probably not going to see anything of substance tomorrow. Maybe all will be said behind closed doors.

» Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:25 }

I dont think that comment proves anything, it depends on the context

maybe she meant she contacted Kathi B after it was out there to tell “their side” since she has been saying her sister didn’t want to come foward…

Or maybe they did contact Kathi B with the story after George disappered with the 5g’s either way…i agree i think the A’s deserve someone refuting their constant “mistruths”

Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:02 } The Sheriff never granted the private meeting between George and Casey that George schooled her on how to write a note of request (which she did), did he? I have no recollection of that ever happening. BUT WHY did Geo. instruct Casey about that and WHAT would have been HIS agenda? Hmmm. I also recall a video of one jail visit where Casey tells Cindy that she wants to talk to Dad instead of her – again I don’t have the immediate details but it points to something [dare I say] “hinky” in my book

****

George had a one-on-one video visitation with Casey on August 3.

On August 14, George and Cindy had a video visitation with Casey, and George told her she could write directly to Sheriff Beary and request a meeting with a member of LE she was comfortable with (Appie Wells or an FBI agent). When they left, Casey did write to Beary to request a private meeting with George. Beary approved it, and OCSO and the FBI contacted George secretly and met him to pick him up and take him to the jail for a private meeting with Casey. But when they got to the jail, Casey was meeting with an attorney (not Baez because he was in NY). After waiting about 90 minutes, George was told Casey would not see him after all, so George was taken back to his car.

Oh good Maura is here. Hey Maura!

» WSH said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:20 } » Janielane said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:27 }

I don’t buy Hornsby’s assessment as WFTV is not owned by ABC. Like Val said, I believe, we are probably not going to see anything of substance tomorrow. Maybe all will be said behind closed doors.

Agreed. Plus this is NOT going to stop anyone from watching the hearing, if anything people are anticipating it more now…

Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:14 } » Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:25 }

I dont think that comment proves anything, it depends on the context

maybe she meant she contacted Kathi B after it was out there to tell “their side” since she has been saying her sister didn’t want to come foward…

Or maybe they did contact Kathi B with the story after George disappered with the 5g’s either way…i agree i think the A’s deserve someone refuting their constant “mistruths”

****

The point I made is that Skye, by her own admission, contacted WFTV – not the other way around.

WFTV said in their report last Friday that they had only learned of the affair that day (March 12), so by the time Skye called WFTV, it was almost a month after OCSO knocked on their door (which was February 18).

It’s highly unlikely WFTV would have learned of the affair last Friday if Skye hadn’t contacted the station to break the news. WFTV and all other news outlets would have found out eventually when the discovery is released, but I don’t believe we would know about the affair today if Skye hadn’t called WFTV last Friday.

Ok so she contacts WFTV almost a month after being questioned by detectives…so i wonder if detectives had her phone and camera this whole time? Because we all watched her get them back on the news the other night…

Maybe she decided to call because she knew the info would be released w/ discovery…or maybe they were just pissed about the 5g’s…also thats a heck of a way for Cindy to find out and could also just be a scorned lover scenerio…

WHAT IF! she has been contacting George since Feb and sharing his responses with LE

LOL K im done

Last night while watching NG with wieffy, Mrs. Boz said, “You know what honey? When I saw G+C Anthony at Target a couple of weeks ago, C went the other way and G kinda followed me. I said Hi because I recognized him. He kept talking but I wasn’t too interested but now I think he was flirting with me.”

Uh OH! Not good.

Thanks, Maura. I did forget that the special meeting was in the end declined by the Defendant.

Just trying to think if ever there was opportunity for Casey and George to have “brainstormed” about the imaginanny’s physical description. I’ve always had serious concern about JB being a carrier pigeon with mail to and from Casey and “them.”

I’m still looking for a photo or description of the woman’s tatoo which seemed to be the common denominator in this particular spin.

Boz,
Not for nuthin’, but maybe old Georgie Boy is just a boll weevil lookin’ for a home. I’m of a mnd that he is every bit as disturbed as his female offspring.

Mrs. C,

It could have happened. If it were any other state in the US, we’d likely not be privvy to all of this extraneous information and therefore we would be near-obsessed with this buncha no-goodniks.

PonderingWhy said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:30 }

River/Crystal/Krystal/Cruz/Allen is no innocent bystander in this. She took up with a married man (whose wife she claimed to be friends with, no less), and she kept silent about information she claims relates directly to what happened to a murdered child.

****

That’s been my train-of-thought.

Yes, everyone makes mistakes. River has my empathy because I’m old enough and flawed enough to have faced the consequences of my own past poor judgment. And she has my sympathy for having to face those consequences on a very public stage.

But I can’t admire the choice to keep quiet about information that, as you say, “she claims relates directly to what happened to a murdered child” out of “loyalty” to George. Because if that’s admirable, then Cindy’s “loyalty” to Casey is also deserving of admiration. And IMO, it’s not.

**we woudl NOT be near-obsessed….

I say Amen to that Maura.

There is no upside to remaining silent about such a statement in such an abject case.

Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:14 }
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Yup, that last comment was my problem when she first started posting, as you may recall.

What am I saying , you recall everything?!

Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 11:03:14 }

Maura, I agree on your train-of-thought.

After watching the news video where they were following and questioning River, I didn’t see someone who wanted to be on camera. I don’t believe they wanted any publicity. I think that WFTV wrote their fate on that one. Once the cameras were running with the media mis-information and questions, I could see wanting to clear the air. Especially if you consider that she could be a target for the defense.

I just didn’t get the feeling that this is where River and Skye really want to be and what they want to be known for. This is not about Caylee, this is about her grandfather. In addition, I don’t think that River or Skye can win in public opinion. Yes, she made a critical error in getting hooked up with George, but I think she purposefully did not bring it up because she didn’t want to be involved. At first they were helping to find a live Caylee, now they feel Casey is guilty.

As for George talking to her, I could believe he would make some statements. I think he is a tortured soul because he knows the truth and lied. He was a detective and I think he loved being one. I could see that creating some major conflict for him. Remember, Casey got mad at him because he didn’t always believe everything she said. Cindy is the one who told him to leave Casey alone and let her handle her.

JMHO

Nano: I so agree with you. And I believe that George told her that it was an accident because he knew that baby’s remains had been found in those woods.

I should have said that George knew the remains were in the woods….JMO.

Hello Everyone….I am thrilled that I found this web site. I have spent the last few days reading and reading until I can’t read anymore….but what a treasure trove of info. Great job you guys.

Last night after watching NG, my husband and I, who have watched this from the beginning really felt that some missing pieces were starting to come together. What intrigued us was when KC first went to jail…..G and C were doing visits with her…asking her all kinds of questions, etc. When KC went back to jail, something had changed in G & C. No visits second time around. They were very defensive, hostile, and back peddleing as fast as they could……hense, no longer talking about the car that smelled or a dead body possibly in the car.

IMO I believe when KC was out of jail from the first arrest………and before the second arrest……..she certainly told them something………and they bought into it. I have believed for a very long time, they’ve been told it was an accident….thus the arrogance they protray believing once it all comes out that their precious daughter isn’t going to have the DP….nor spend much time behind bars. They had information….how else did Dom and his partner know to go to that specific area and search and record video. What would they have done with the body if they had found it? Hide it somewhere else? But they knew to look there.

Oh what a web this situation has turned into. Thanks again for the great posts. I will definetly be here every day. I don’t want to miss a thing.

i think that if George had not disappeared from her life after she gave him $$ we might never know what he said to her about Caylee or that there was ever a relationship so you all are right, coming foward immediately after he said that would have been the Right thing to do but i can’t judge her…at least she told the truth when it was asked of her which is alot more than i can say for most in this case!

I don’t care how much River/Crystal wanted to support George, she had information about a murdered baby and kept it to herself in the middle of a huge murder case. How could she? Maybe she’s not very bright and didn’t realize that statements George made about Caylee were very very important and probably should have been given to LE a long time ago. I don’t understand people who say they don’t want to “get involved” in something as important as this.

Maybe . . . Skye didn’t really see a need to come forward. Casey was already in jail charged with the murder and it was up to the legal system to ultimately decide if it was an accident. Why would she jeopardize her position with a man she is said to love? If she knows him half as well as we know him, she is aware that he babbles and sometimes makes inane statements. Coming forward with that information would have no bearing on the murderess, would only implicate her lover in a possible cover up (she had no way of knowing if he knew what he was talking about or not). This is the kind of thing one might think about for quite a while, and weigh all the consequences before starting to blab. It is even possible that at the time he said it, it did not seem as important to her as it does now. ???

» ChicagoJudy said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 02:03:59 }
[Unread Comment]I don’t care how much River/Crystal wanted to support George, she had information about a murdered baby and kept it to herself in the middle of a huge murder case. How could she? Maybe she’s not very bright and didn’t realize that statements George made about Caylee were very very important and probably should have been given to LE a long time ago. I don’t understand people who say they don’t want to “get involved” in something as important as this.

Unfortunately, once some shares something with you, you are automatically involved. Plus that is a disingenuous statement if you take her first assertion that she got involved to help look for Caylee. I mean she met George at the kids finder table, for cryin’ out loud! Then all of a sudden you don’t want to know what happened or ask questions? Or was the friendship/affair so big at that point that it trumped your original altruism? I’m not picking on her, just tossing logic.

some shares-someone shares

Excerpted to the most interesting quote (for me), the defense spokesperson wouldn’t reveal the breakdown, does that mean Baez won’t either? Read the entire article at the link.

Casey Anthony: Should the public help pay for her legal bills?
Casey Anthony’s lawyers will argue why the state should pay for certain defense costs

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-court-costs-hearing-20100318,0,4824152.story?page=2

Q. How has Anthony paid for her defense to date?

A. Baez has refused to publicly say how Anthony has been affording her team of attorneys and experts. A defense spokeswoman said she wouldn’t provide a breakdown of costs and fees incurred to date.

Two things regarding skye and river

Taking them at their word, that they met George after Caylee went missing. Caylee being missing was immediately a high profile case.. River, TOOK PICTURES then SAVED THEM and SAVED the TEXT

Skye (on camera) referenced her sister, river. As being a model of what Zenaida looked like.. what ever that discussion was or was not with george,, (a chuckle)The pubic would have not seen the resemblance or associated zENAIDA ” the nanny” AND RIVER.

The sisters made the reference, for whatever reason, it was important to them.

IMO it wouldnt have been the defense like others have suggested. Specially if they are still going with the nanny as a defense.

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 01:03:51 }
[Unread Comment]i think that if George had not disappeared from her life after she gave him $$ we might never know what he said to her about Caylee or that there was ever a relationship so you all are right, coming foward immediately after he said that would have been the Right thing to do but i can’t judge her…at least she told the truth when it was asked of her which is alot more than i can say for most in this case!

Chop
Your post got me thinking. Maybe George didn’t necessarily leave after the $$, perhaps he was “reigned in”. Thus the cruise to follow? Just because Skye or her sister said that Cindy, or anyone else, didn’t know of the affair/friendship until this week, doesn’t mean that is true. Skye may not be lying, but she may not know what other people know or knew or when they knew either.

But if the judge requests a breakdown, they have to produce it — don’t they?

But then again, maybe he won’t ask for it.

» Midwest Mom said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 02:03:27 }

I don’t get the feeling that it is the defense either, that info would be a very sharp double edged sword for their client.

Midwest mom, good point. The sisters did bring up the part about George giving River’s description as Zanni. But I still don’t understand that. River, in my humble opinion, is nowhere near a “10″. But they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and maybe in George’s eyes, she beautiful.

» WSH said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 02:03:55

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-court-costs-hearing-20100318,0,4824152.story?page=2

Terence M. Lenamon, a Miami death-penalty attorney who was once part of the Anthony defense team, agrees.

“I would venture to believe that they are going to require Jose to disclose what moneys he’s received because that becomes an issue at hand,” Lenamon said.

“[Baez's] got a responsibility going into this case of making sure that he maximizes his money that’s being spent. If he didn’t do that, then the judge is going to hold him accountable to that.”
Q. Could Anthony’s defense team get a blank check?

A: No. The JAC can only pay for costs that are authorized under Florida law, such as for investigative services and court reporters. Dollar amounts for these items are already established in each judicial circuit.

Also, attorneys have to make specific requests for the funding they need.

Mills said Anthony’s attorneys should be prepared to give a good-faith estimate for how many depositions they predict they’ll take, the rate of court reporters, how much their investigator charges an hour, etc.

“I don’t think JAC is going to stand still and I don’t think Strickland would just say the sky’s the limit,” Mills said. “JAC has become very thrifty. It’s not easy to get a nickel out of those people up there.”

….interesting article, thanks WSH.

I will say this for Hornsby: with his stories of conspiracy and out of control media, etc, he did light a candle under the Sentinel’s ass by stating “they dropped the ball” on this hearing. Next thing: a coherent piece on the hearing by OS.

Trying to imagine meeting someone who would willingly give me “free” money and how I’d feel about that person. Hmmm. Well, I’d probably want them in my life -maybe even text them that thought.

If, however, I had access to as much as $5k, and I owed fines and Court costs, I’m pretty sure I’d take care of such obligations – muy pronto even.

I just re read wftv
http://www.wftv.com/news/22863099/detail.html

“WFTV was also told that under oath, George gave a description of Caylee’s alleged mystery nanny, which actually matches his alleged mistress. Also, WHEN SHE CONFRONTED HIM him about the resemblance, George agreed and chuckled”.

____________

So she was the person who made the initial observation

I’m curious how many other “affairs” have been going on and what or if they have anything to do with casey.

Sorry, all the dots have not been connected for me, so many questions that remain unanswered

» Midwest Mom said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 03:03:26 }

I’m not curious about other affairs. I only want to know if the statement was made by George on Caylee, and when.

It doesn’t help Casey Anthony unless she takes the stand and explains “the accident”.

The matter of the $200k could be a hot potato. (1) Say the proceeds were made payable to Casey, minus any applicable federal tax and she receives a 1099-C for either 2008 or 2009 (not sure when the monies were paid). She should have had a tax return filed for the proper reporting year so there is a record of her income. (2) Those proceeds had to go to a designated Fiduciary acting on Casey’s behalf. Most likely her attorney of record. The atty. could have routed that money to his trust account via a retainer agreement signed by Casey enabling him to bill her and pay himself. (3) Casey would have bills for legal fees and expenses stemming from the fraud case; the defamation case and the murder case. (4) Depending on the construction of the retainer agreement as to who has discretion and control of any funds and IF they are all applied as a retainer, it then depends on who or what else gets paid.

I don’t know Florida rules, but it would seem to me that, based upon the fact that Casey paid (or owes) the IRS thus proving her income, the Judge and the other financial committee have the power to ask for an accounting of any income she has or had since her incarceration along with copies of any tax returns. Lowball estimate: 28% of 200k is $56,000 in Federal taxes (+/-).

Can you imagine how happy she was when she got her W2 at the end of 2008, and it showed that she earned $200,000 that year. She must have been so proud of herself for being such a good event planner. Who needs a high school diploma?????

Just saw this on WS:

Criminal Docket Update: 03/17/2010 Notice of Completion of Investigation

I’ve been sort of obsessed about the statement by Kath Belich that ‘the other shoe is about to drop.’ Any ideas on what it is? :

Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 04:03:12 }

What does it mean? Please and thank you!!!

Hi all,
This may have been answered and if it has I am sorry. Will the hearing be televised tomorrow and if so what channel and time please? Thanks!

» Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 04:03:12 }
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Just saw this on WS:

Criminal Docket Update: 03/17/2010 Notice of Completion of Investigation

Convenient. You know; with the lapse of people being zipped up, lol. Sounds like a “don’t shoot the messenger” docket.

» Phantom Angel said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 04:03:41 }

Probably TruTV, or local channels.

I’ve thought about the George utterance that it was an accident. At that time Caylee had not been found and there were many people speculating that it was an accident early on. It could be that River didn’t think too much about it at the time. The connection that the super sleuths here have put together about him making the statement a month before Caylee’s remains were found would not be an issue when he allegedly uttered the statement.

Therefore, it could be that she didn’t even think about it until she got the knock on the door from LE and they started questioning her and bring the importance of such a statement to her attention. How many times have we looked at the evidence and had a voila moment from something that we had read previously but it didn’t strike us as important until someone asks a question or something happens that would draw our attention to it.

I am not defending anyone or condoning the sister’s action, I just want to get all possibilities on the table. I just don’t see that the sisters were trying to protect George. I just think it is a good possibility the statement George made that it was an accident that snowballed was not unlike statements that were being made in the media and on all the blogs. I think LE probably jogged her memory and made the statement more relevent given all that has transpired since the statement was made. IM

WFTV9 at 11:00 AM. Someone said True TV will air it also.

Thank you!! Wouldn’t miss it for the world!!!!

Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 04:03:12 } Just saw this on WS:

Criminal Docket Update: 03/17/2010 Notice of Completion of Investigation

Maura is this the unknown request that JS granted the prosecution?

» Maura said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 04:03:12 } Just saw this on WS:

Criminal Docket Update: 03/17/2010 Notice of Completion of Investigation

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Maura this means to me that the Prosecution are satisfied with the exparte request and that they do no need any further time. Therefore it is my belief that the evidence that they wanted to hold back from the defense was this George/River schmozzle (sp). In essence they (Pros) have had time to do their investigation.

It means: State’s secret information no longer needs to be secret
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-prosecutors-complete-inv20100317,0,2922338.story

Sorry, don’t know how to include a link but now Bozo and his clowns are saying “It’s the State’s Fault that Casey can’t pay for her legal fees” The upshot is he claims she could have paid for her DUH fense had it not be a DP case? U r kidding BOZO aren’t you?

Its on the Orlando Sentinel site.

Oh my lerd. There they go blaming somebody else again!!!
Always someone else’s fault!

» NJ Sleuth said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 05:03:59

here’s your link:
http://tinyurl.com/ycy3pp8

Casey Anthony: Jose Baez blames prosecution for Casey Anthony’s seeking indigency

“This afternoon, Jose Baez told us that his client Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself had the state not chosen to seek death,” WESH’s Bob Kealing reported.

Baez told WESH that Anthony’s defense became more expensive when the state sought the death penalty.
Today Baez adamantly refused to discuss where Casey got the money, saying it would be an ethical violation to discuss his client’s finances,” Kealing added. “Anthony will be in court tomorrow, and it remains to be seen whether Judge Stan Strickland will ask her to reveal anything about her finances other than to affirm what she already filed with the clerk’s office.”

..i do hope that judgeS does ask for a breakdown of the $$$trail…

Looking forward to the hearing tomorrow, I fully expect JB to pull out blame and rile up Ashton further by ‘ethics’ as an excuse for not offering full-disclosure. Then when pushed, JB may request an in camera during the hearing to fight it out. I also expect that Judge Strickland will not make a decision tomorrow, pending a full-accounting from JB on receipts and expenditures thus far.

When the decision to grant indigence status is finally handed down, as it will be, I’m betting it includes very clear guidele-lines and a host of references to existing JAC rules.

Aside from that, I also think that watching the interactions between JB, AL (hope she will be there live,) KC and the A’s will be a fresh study in ugly-copying.

I can’t be around to watch it and will have to catch a rerun later. Will one of you please keep count how many times Ashton shakes his head in disgust? TIA

guide-lines – oops

“This afternoon, Jose Baez told us that his client Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself had the state not chosen to seek death,” WESH’s Bob Kealing reported.

So what is the problem of breaking it down then? Demonstrate your point. Where did you get it, and why has it dried up? The source is gone because this is a death penalty case, why?

But Kealing noted that Anthony had filed for indigency in July 2008, but came into enough money to spend more than $110,000 on her defense.

………exactly she claimed to be broke when 1st arrested—-then all of a sudden had $110,000 plus to pay baez, and lyon.

..i expect they willbe asked to explain that.

in fact, someone pointed out here today, that the taxes owed on $200,000.00 would be roughly $56,000.00

$200,000.00 – $56,000.00 to IRS – $89,000.00 to baez – $22,000.00 to andrea =$33,000.00

..if the amount of $200,000.00 , from ABC for the rights to pics etc. is correct, where’s the excess approximately $33,000.00 ?

Please note that Baez stated “Casey has not had income while she has been in jail” or something to those words. That was carefully stated, and true. I believe she earned every cent of the money she just spent in that less than 1 month of freedom she had while she was gathering up all the pictures and videos to take to Baez’s office for him to sell for her. Those HUGE backpacks every day is what earned her the defense so far.

It wasn’t spent well in my opinion.

The Tax Bracket at $200K is actually 33% (federal). There is no State Income Tax in Florida.

When you earn money there are also payments into Social Security, but I don’t know what that amount is.

Imagine – all that money! Seems a fortune to me and I work for a living! I wonder if she see’s it as well spent since she would never have made that sort of cash in her life as she was living it.

She still didn’t see it.

lol

PotatoHead said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 05:03:59 }

I can’t be around to watch it and will have to catch a rerun later. Will one of you please keep count how many times Ashton shakes his head in disgust? TIA

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I’ll break out the calculator now, don’t think I have enough fingers and toes to cover it! lol

Of course it is the state’s fault!! They didn’t have to charge innocent Casey with anything important. Darn, she should have demanded more money for those photos and videos, maybe budgeted for the DP from the start, maybe it’s the fault of the Globe and the big syndicates for not opening their wallets wider. It’s not Casey’s fault when the state changed their minds, the state must have planned this nasty trickery just for her.

Val,

Thanks for letting me in; I’ve been following this blog for quite some time now.

LMAO! I almost screwed my site totally up. I’m going to go back up and try that again.

Whew! *Lily wipes the sweat from her brow in relief knowing that she wasn’t the only one not able to get in to Val’s site*

Oh man Valhall! DON’T DO THAT!! I thought you went outta business for a minute!

I did too! The new plug-in should start speeding up the blog though.

WSH said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 06:03:22 } “This afternoon, Jose Baez told us that his client Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself had the state not chosen to seek death,” WESH’s Bob Kealing reported.

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More like “his client, Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself had Roy Kronk not found Caylee’s remains.”

Because really, the DNA testing and autopsy by Dr. Spitz and examination of the car by Dr. Lee, etc., etc., were done long before the state decided to seek the death penalty – those actions were part of the murder defense. What extraordinary expenses has the defense incurred since April 2009? Andrea Lyon, the DP-qualified attorney, is not being compensated for her time, and as far as I can tell, the “investigative expenses” her crew has totted up have been for interviewing Leonard Padilla and Roy Kronk’s former wives.

I read elsewhere in comments that JB has been seen with Cheney Mason, purported to be an entertainment & criminal lawyer who is also DP qualified.

Wondering if he is either involved with JB already – perhaps he brokered the previous deals for the back-pack booty when KC was out on bail. Or, might JB be considering adding him to the team in replacement of Andrea as an in-state DP-qualified lawyer?

Dumb question that I’m sure I’ve read the answer to before, but could Casey still sell her rights now? I believe so. Aside from the public outrage, why hasn’t she to avoid being declared indigent? (Serious question – not being sarcastic.) Could JB be working with Cheney for new licensing rights? (Bad timing, if so, JB.)

Question for FL folks: do you think there will be any protesters at the hearing tomorrow?

T2M – I am counting on you! I’ll check here first for an update.

OMG!! YIKES!!! EEK!! I thought you all abandoned me!!! Phew, good to be back. You alright Val??

Oh Val I thought you were gone for good. I almost started crying.

Wow! I thought it was me the newbie on site. The site crashed as I was posting my thanks to Val for letting me join y’all!

What do make of WESH TV reporting after the outing of the grandfather’s mistress pointing out to the viewers that the grandfather gave conflicting recorded statements to the FBI and M&M where he told the FBI his daughter forged bank deposit slip and used credit cards and told M&M he had no knowledge of his daughter every do any such thing? WESH showed both clips. I always said let’em talk! By George he has. What does this mean for GA? We have not heard much lately from LA too?

PotatoHead said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 08:03:21 }

I’ll be here, I’m using the calculator with the printout, I expect Ashton’s head to spin off his shoulders by the end of this hearing!

Is it a bad sign when a person has heart palpitations and breaks out in a sweat when they can’t access a blog?

T2M – lol. I’ll let you know because I’m moving tomorrow & Friday. If you don’t hear from me again the answer is *yes*. It’s a very bad sign. 8O

Jenny b

What ARE you thinking scheduling moving when there will be a hearing in the case???

Dang I had this whole year planned around the trial and the Judge up and set the date for NEXT year!!

He really oughtta think of us while scheduling! lol

T2M wrote
Is it a bad sign when a person has heart palpitations and breaks out in a sweat when they can’t access a blog?
————
I have weekly BAA Bloggers Addict Anoumous meets……
This weeks is at the Orange County Court House beginning at 9am and will last until end of hearing….. wireless internet will be provided by FRG. Black trash bags with signs for Caylee Juctice seekers provided by Sterling1462…. each sign will read…..
THIS BAG IS FOR YOU!

Dawg has our drinks covered ……..

I’m a slacker. It’s all on your shoulders, T2. Don’t let me down! 8)

Well I guess these boxes won’t pack themselves. Sigh. I hope it’s a juicy hearing tomorrow and none of that *in-camera* nonsense. Can’t wait to read all about it!

Christine,

I’m there!

Hi, I’m T2M and I’m a blogger, I have no control!

You did get your Internet hooked up already at the new place, right Jenny? right?

T2M – one hand on F5 to refresh, the other poised over 911?

The current Teddy Bear thread over on WS interesting in relation to JWG’s last article. I’d forgotten that Casey picked up Caylee’s teddy bear on the 3rd.

Valhall said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 07:03:46 } LMAO! I almost screwed my site totally up. I’m going to go back up and try that again.

……….ahhhhhhhhhh..i see it wasn’t just me—-(although you believe the computer maintenance i did this afternoon, trying to “fix” it! )

..i’d say we’re a tad addicted to this blog!

Please let me know if the site seems faster, slower, unstable, whacked, generally unacceptable, or what.

Thanks.

Seems fine.

Valhall: Do you mean now that you have finished playing with it? LOL

Hmmmmm, watch the hearing live, go ride my horse? Watch the hearing live, go ride my horse. I think I’m gonna go ride my horse and watch the rerun later. And the whole time I will be thinking Casey Anthony will never enjoy something like this or anything else for that matter. Tee Hee

Valhall said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:04 } Please let me know if the site seems faster, slower, unstable, whacked, generally unacceptable, or what.

Thanks.

………..for me——i would say it’s the same.

..takes 3-4 seconds to refresh the page i’m on, or switch ( from misc.to nightmare ) or another topic, and load that particular page.

» Valhall said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 06:03:20 } Please note that Baez stated “Casey has not had income while she has been in jail

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They should count what she gets for her junk food fund as income , a couple of hundred a month for snacks is way more than alot of good people outside jail get to feed thier children !

..i wish we had an updated “visitor log” for kc…

..this one only spans jan.9/2010-mar.3/2010

http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/7.jpg

..it would be interesting——with the indigent hearing tomorrow—–and the “g-string george” stuff——to see how often her lawyers are dropping in…

( i find it odd that between jan.9th-mar.3rd 2010—-baez was only there approx. 7 or so hours——-in 2 months ??)

( and andrea was there—in those 2 months—all of ONCE-jan.24/10–for an hour.)

..oops..hit enter, before my train of thought left me!

60 days in jail divided by : 8 hours total, of visits from lawyers = a heck of a lot of “bible reading time” for kc…

..isn’t kc supposed to be “participating in her defense “?

..if so——how can she do that, if her lawyers don’t come by on a regular basis?

..( or do i watch too much tv? and she doesn’t really get to “participate”?)

I am really enjoying this article on the heels of JB blaming the State for high costs that forced Casey to file for indigent status. What a timely reminder that the State is trying the same DP case that JB is.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/3/17/will_you_pay_for_part_of_casey39s_lawyers.html

To date, the State has spent $35,651 in trying this case. Granted, the article does not include adjusted salary amounts for either LE or State professional time spent on this case, but I doubt that the combined adjusted amounts for Ashton & LDB combined equal JB’s $89,000 in fees.

They are doing a much better job, on a much tighter budget, in the same DP case that JB is defending. I wonder if JB could produce even a single bookkeeping line entry to show that he’s consulted a single forensic expert on the books after all of the ‘junk science’ posturing?

Raise your morning trial-ready coffee mugs in a toast to the over-worked and under-paid folks sitting at the State’s table , “in the interest of the child – who is deceased.”

(I’d really like to see a video of JB shopping at Target. Spending his ill-gotten gains like his client. I won’t hold my breath. Somehow, I really doubt he buys his cool sunglasses as Target. There is just no honor amongst thieves, is there? Trite as it is, you really do get exactly what you pay for.)

Val said:
Please let me know if the site seems faster, slower, unstable, whacked, generally unacceptable, or what.

Ha! You just described me on St. Paddy’s!

Buttercup: I thought of that earlier today….Miss Casey could pay for some of this with her commissary funds. These funds are hers, after all!

..good one kerflunked! ( ♫ happy st. paddy’s day to you ♪ ).

..my daughter dropped in tonight——following her 1st ever night of “green beer”——-she was also ALL of the above.)

..excellent point buttercup!

..her commissary $$$’s ARE a source of income..

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/casey-anthony-commissary-orders-show-increase-50-in-december/

………….” as of december 2009, casey is now spending over $200 a month on food, snacks, and personal items.”

————serves her right that she looks so ‘pudgy’ , and her complexion is shot….

Val – faster and check holding zone for duplicate posts caught in the abyss.

Here is something I find interesting ….. yesterday Wesh reported “Casey Anthony Expected To Attend Indigency Hearing” >>>http://www.wesh.com/news/22870026/detail.html … if you click on the video … you will see that Wesh reports and says that … “Baez being shown here in recent days conferring with Cheney Mason, Esq…. blah, blah, blah” ….. I thought to see who this Cheney Mason is ….. and I found this article >>> http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-06-24/news/cheney_1_mason-serrano-college-of-law …. It has me saying ….. hmmmm, …. who is this Cheney Mason …. is he another atty who has gotten to where he is by worming his way through the system and now Baez is seeking his “How To Advice” from him??? ….. something to get the brain thinking here I would say …. and then there is a follow-up on the student’s story where he sues Cheney Mason for $1M >>>> http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/TFBS5A01RJHUKHI4F ….. get’s the brain humming as to what Baez is thinking …. as maybe he says to Mason >>> ” what a great diversion you made in that case” (even though you lost) but it was still really, really good! …. Can you give me one or show me the way??? …. It would not surprise me if he will be added to the team IMHO ….. makes you say hmmm, you think??? …..
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JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!

Val…. the first link in my post did not show as a link …. here is the correct posting …. thank you ) ….

Here is something I find interesting ….. yesterday Wesh reported “Casey Anthony Expected To Attend Indigency Hearing” >>> http://www.wesh.com/news/22870026/detail.html … if you click on the video … you will see that Wesh reports and says that … “Baez being shown here in recent days conferring with Cheney Mason, Esq…. blah, blah, blah” ….. I thought to see who this Cheney Mason is ….. and I found this article >>> http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-06-24/news/cheney_1_mason-serrano-college-of-law …. It has me saying ….. hmmmm, …. who is this Cheney Mason …. is he another atty who has gotten to where he is by worming his way through the system and now Baez is seeking his “How To Advice” from him??? ….. something to get the brain thinking here I would say …. and then there is a follow-up on the student’s story where he sues Cheney Mason for $1M >>>> http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/TFBS5A01RJHUKHI4F ….. get’s the brain humming as to what Baez is thinking …. as maybe he says to Mason >>> ” what a great diversion you made in that case” (even though you lost) but it was still really, really good! …. Can you give me one or show me the way??? …. It would not surprise me if he will be added to the team IMHO ….. makes you say hmmm, you think??? …..
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JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!

PotatoHead said: { Mar 18, 2010 – 12:03:52 }

They are doing a much better job, on a much tighter budget, in the same DP case that JB is defending. I wonder if JB could produce even a single bookkeeping line entry to show that he’s consulted a single forensic expert on the books after all of the ‘junk science’ posturing?

PH the difference is that the state;s attorneys are on an annual salary and Baez is simply on an anal salary.

I thought I was going to have to check into rehab because I couldn’t access this site last night LOL

What a relief to be back!

lol

This just in! Secret Surveillance Photo of Jose Baez practicing for today’s hearing!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ycrcajq

oh man……faiL….MY BAD

» Valhall said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 10:03:04 } Please let me know if the site seems faster, slower, unstable, whacked, generally unacceptable, or what.

Thanks.

I am a computer dumb-dumb but when I click the message number under the article, it will not load. When I click on the left side with the update message for particular article Misc, or nightmare, or BBBB it does seem to load faster.

What channel please?

WFTV 9, Orlandosentinel.com, WESH or Tru TV to name a few.

Maura said
More like “his client, Casey Anthony would have had plenty of money to defend herself had Roy Kronk not found Caylee’s remains.”

Understatement of the year…

So glad you all are keeping up with the case, catching up with reading here, thank you to everyone.

So we now know what the judge had sealed and why and no one was even close in their guess as to what was going on. It was all about another woman prisoner who 3P was sending notes? Brother!

All of that angst and suspense and … NOTHING. Just a little melodrama of someone that 3P decided to write notes to in an unauthorized manner.

This case grows more and more bizarro every day!
8O

I made an executive decision. I removed the plug in for finding unread comments since your last visit. I THINK it is what has been causing the instability on the blog.

We’ll see.

WOW…here’s some critical thinking for you (NOT)…

because Casey is dumb enough to write 50 letters to a fellow inmate she must be too stupid to have carried out the complex murder of which she is being accused.

Here’s the complex murder she’s been accused of….

1. kill your own child,
2. not have a clue what to do with your kid once you kill them,
3. stuff them in your car trunk and run around until they are festering SO BAD that a year later your car still smells like a dead body,
4. dump them one quarter mile from your own house wrapped in your parents’ laundry bag and using your parents’ very identifiable duct tape.
5. spend 30 days partying and screwing around and lying to everybody you meet or talk to on the phone that your kid’s okie-dokie and at SeaWorld and THEN, when you’re caught…
6. say she’s been kidnapped for 30 days….you’ve been looking for her night and day, and tell the cops in 10,000 words or more every conceivable lie you can blather on-the-fly, not realizing like a normal person who still has their brains INSIDE THEIR SKULL that EVERYTHING you just said can be verified false.

Yeah – I can see how you could jump to the conclusion she couldn’t possible be smart enough to pull that off.

Valhall said: { Mar 18, 2010 – 08:03:49 }

Val, AMEN to that!!!!

As we surmised, no proof:

Woman In Alleged Anthony Affair Reveals Details
Krystal Holloway’s Statements To Be Released Soon

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/22884527/detail.html
EXCERPT:
…..Krystal Holloway said she told detectives last month that George Anthony told her that he thought Caylee had died in accident.

“I turned around and I almost started to cry,” she said. “And I turned my head and he grabbed my hands, and he said, ‘It was an accident that snowballed out of control.’”

However, she said she couldn’t say why George Anthony thought it was an accident.

She admitted that there wasn’t any other proof of what he told her that night.

She said her text messages and photos, which also will be released soon, do not contain George Anthony’s views on the nature of Caylee’s death or proof their relationship was intimate.

She said the Enquirer offered her up to $7,000 for her story, but she turned it down.

“I don’t want anybody to think that I want to make any money and profit off of somebody’s little girl’s death,” Krystal Holloway said…..

Val,

This is an article by Toni Pipitone:
Woman In Alleged Anthony Affair Reveals Details
Krystal Holloway’s Statements To Be Released Soon
POSTED: Friday, March 19, 2010
UPDATED: 8:53 am EDT March 19,2010
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/22884527/detail.html

Hey, could some one let me know if they’ve seen the error message lately? I’m thinking they may have gotten the upgrade completed???

All clear from here Valhall.

Thank you, Darnudes. Does it seem the site is loading faster as well? I hope so.

Val,

It’s definitely faster. Thank you very much!!!

Lightening speed now, Val….Thank You!

Good job again Val – You are brilliant- so much faster!! thank you!

Hope I have the right thread this time….lol

» Sammie said: { Mar 20, 2010 – 05:03:36 }
I’ve been reading Val’s blog since the beginning and posted for the 1st time a few days ago. I had written a little piece on Feb 22, 2009, after Caylee’s Memorial. I have not posted it on the net or shared these thought with anyone until now. I think it may shed some light on Casey and Cindy’s dysfunctional relationship. I am the product of a narcissistic mother myself and this post is an attempt to decode, word for word, Casey’s statement to her mother regarding Caylee’s memorial service.

Here’s what I wrote :

I’ve been lurking forever and a day. Thank you for letting me hang with you all. I’d like to share some thoughts with you, if I may, and if my post offends anyone, I apologize in advance….I’ve been haunted by this case, the Anthony’s and the evidence surrounding Caylee’s death. Casey’s only public statement, released the day before Caylee’s memorial, is telling. I believe she was saying much more then she intended to….I’ve posted her statement and in parenthesis, I’ve attempted to read between the lines. Here I go…..

I miss Caylee every day and every minute of every day ( I lost a part of myself when I killed my daughter, remember Mom how many times you told me how Caylee reminded you of me when I was a little girl?). I can’t be there for Caylee’s funeral, but some day I want to go and visit her grave and tell her how much I miss her. I allowed my parents to be in charge for the funeral for Caylee (Once more I attempted to trust my family to honor my wishes regarding MY daughter). I told them I wanted her buried in a casket (I gave Caylee a final kiss by placing a heart sticker on her lips, I wrapped her in her favorite blanket. I made every attempt to protect her from the elements and prevent her remains from being scattered by placing her in plastic bags. I chose a casket of white canvas with handles, so I could take her with me at a later time should I need to…I layed her to rest with her favorite toys and my favorite picture with those innocent and soulful eyes* ), and I wanted there to be a gravestone so I could go and visit her (I placed a towel at the burial site, near log benches so I could visit her in the place where I had escaped my family in my youth. I placed a paver to mark her final resting spot. I buried her in a sacred place where I had buried my pets, the only loving creatures that did not critisize, berate, nor emotionally and psychologically abuse me, but rather loved me unconditionally.) I asked them if there could only be a private funeral for just the family (I did not want to share Caylee with my family anymore. She is and was MY daughter, not Cindy’s child). I know they cremated her (Dagnamit! If I wanted Caylee cremated, I would have stolen more gas and done it myself). I still don’t want a public event with cameras and everybody around for Caylee’s service, but I can’t stop my parents from doing what they want. I truly hope that it will help them (Mom, when are you going to get the fact that she is MY daughter and I wanted more for her then the childhood I endured. No way was I going to let you do to my daughter what you had done to me….)

I’ve lost count of how many times on this forum and others that Caylee is in a much better place, maybe Casey thought so too….

Here’s what I think Casey should do….confess, tell us all why, how, where and when she killed Caylee. This would not only spare her the death penalty, but she would finally be taking total control of her destiny. A confession would spare the tax payers of FL a huge expensive and lengthy trial. The sworn testimony of the Anthony’s and those involved would be useless and open the door for LE to prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. When found guilty the Anthony’s and their freak show accomplices would be forbidden from profitting from Caylee’s death, because on some level they too would be responsible for the situation and circumstances surrounding Caylee’s demise.

DISCLAIMER – I am not advocating for Casey, what she did was wrong and she needs to be punished, but she is not the only freak in this circus. I believe ALL involved should suffer the consequences of their actions, or lack of them…

Article by Mr. Boedeker:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-you-play-news-director-what-was-the-most-important-part-of-the-story.html

I know that we are dismayed with the May, 2011 trial date and a thought occurred to me just now that first we will have to endure the voire dire process which in this case could be very protracted because of the vetting that will have to be done to weed out the fruits and nuts who will want to serve on this jury. Just one solid appearing citizen with an agenda could upset the entire procedure. IIR there was one in the Peterson and OJ cases respectively. There’s a magnetic force in these cases and we have seen our share to date with predictably more to come. Have patience my fellow trial watchers.

I’m wondering if, during the penalty phase, or beforehand once the jury is sent to deliberate, if there won’t be a jury watch community from all over the country established in say JB Park in order to be there when the erdict is announced and again when sentence is levied. It could be a real boon to the travel and hospitality industries. Yes, I know this is very cynical to put forth in writing but public sentiment being what it is…it could happen… just sayin’

Vahall – I got an error message about half an hour ago and my post was send to perdition. Probably just as well …..it got me and the dog out the door for a walk.

» BrendaT said: { Mar 21, 2010 – 02:03:02 }

Brenda

I get that too sometimes, just click “back” on your browser and hit “submit comment” again.

I’d like to throw out a Hinky-challenge and see how much interest I get.

Let’s say I ask if folks in Orlando would be willing to participate in a water level study for the rest of 2010. What would be involved would be on days of significant rain events anyone in the Orlando area who was able to would go to Suburban and depending on whether there are no trespassing signs up or not you would take a picture and (barring no trespassing) take a water level measurement at the spot where Caylee’s remains were found. You would then email me the picture, the date, the time and the measurement (if available) and I would use that data to start confirming Dr. Jawitz’s correlation between the Little Econ river depth and the water level on Suburban.

Would there be folks in the Orlando area willing to participate in this study?

Val,

I wish I could help you with your challenge but it’s a shame I don’t drive, I know I am a dummy. I posted your link (I hope you don’t mind) at Mr. Boedeker’s blog so maybe somebody will be able to help you. Sorry I can’t.

Thank you, FRG. If I can get several Orlandoans to share the burden then this would not be a lot of work for any one particular person.

Thanks WSH

Val,

I had heard about Phil Spector’s trial and Dr. Lee but hadn’t read any article about it and I am shocked. OMG!!!! That’s terrible. 8O

Spector Judge: Defense Forensic Expert Henry Lee Took Item From Scene
Wednesday, May 23, 2007
http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274965,00.html
Snip:
“LOS ANGELES — The judge in Phil Spector’s murder trial ruled Wednesday that renowned forensic expert Dr. Henry Lee removed something from the scene where actress Lana Clarkson was shot and hid it from the prosecution.”

Just had a thought the other day regarding all the comments about River being the ‘model’ for Zanny. I drove around the main tourist area in Orlando yesterday and in less than an hour I saw 6 women drivers who could easily fit Casey’s description of Zanny. There are many beautiful Puerto Rican/Latin women here who fit the ‘look’. I guess you could say it’s like describing a tall, beautiful, blonde haired, blue eyed woman in Sweden, who don’t have any tattoos. Pretty much a ‘generic’ description, and in keeping with Casey’s ‘helpfulness’, it’s really not a helpful description at all.

Hey Val
What about Merinade Dave? He lives very close to the site.

» whoknew said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 05:03:31 }
Not sure if this is OT, but
Why would someone (“(Alex ZIna”) take my post here and claim it as their own over at bb12’s blog? Looks like it also happened to someone else 30 minutes before over there who recognized thier post, too, but it was pasted by a different person (“tom wright”).I don’t know if the original other poster (“Pat”) had her quote taken from THM, too.

It is just very strange to be reading elsewhere and see my quote word for work by someone else. Especially since i’m not a frequent poster or so notable as to find my words reposted elsewhere..
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It happens on the orlando sentinel two. Some troll using different names has posted others posts from different blogs their two. She or he is a well known troll with an ez m o to see but many don’t pay attention. A real pain.

Diana- Marinade Dave already did some videos that show what that area is like, and although it was about a year later, as he says the area was even wetter before (and it was pretty bad when he taped it). I think an informal “study” of sorts though from someone else there (retired maybe?) would be somewhat helpful (I’m is South Carolina so I’m off the hook!) But, yeah, if he says he was right there and the place was wet, plus Val’s own outstanding work on this same subject- that’s all good for me!

Here’s a link to his place that will show you the links to the various videos (this might help):

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/tag/suburban-drive/

And I can’t emphasize enough how strong the work is that Val showed right here!

March 22, 2010 National Enquirer latest on Casey Anthony…..

DAD’s SECRET ADMISSION: “I KNOW CASEY KILLED CAYLEE”

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/Caylee_Is_Missing/2010-03-22_1100.png

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/caylee_anthony_grandfather_confession_mistress/celebrity/68356

The video on the page that Karen C. posted for Marinade Dave shows how much of a grade there is walking into the swamp interior from Suburban Drive at approximately point A. It also shows how many No trespassing signs are posted in the area. The most that someone could do without trespassing would be to eyeball the area from the county right of way and take a photograph of the current conditions each trip out there.

Even with the swamp cleared out so much by LE as far as tangled brush and growth goes, you still will be limited in how far into the swamp you can see from this position. Additionally, it will still be very difficult to get a sense of scale from which to judge depths and heights. I suspect that any such measures will only give a minimal amount of useful information. A wet/dry approach for the most part, if you will.

Still, I would be interested in hearing anything which you might determine from it should you get any interest.

I am personally satisfied that the information in the fly-through video combined with the site survey information and the photographs from the air and the ground has provided enough data to determine that the good Doctor’s correlation formula is relatively accurate. I can tell that you are not though. I wish you good luck on getting some folk to help in this effort.

Has there been any observations by LE or anyone else of Casey’s behavior in the police car or others when driving past the location where Caley was dumped. I would imagine she had a perverse smug and thoughts on here mind. JMO

It’s not that I think Dr. Jawitz is wrong. It’s that I KNOW there is a discrepancy between SEVERAL eye witnesses and Dr. Jawitz’s conclusions. The eyewitnesses describe the area as inundated and the object Kronk reported in August being approximately 5 feet out into the water from the waterline, whereas Dr. Jawitz concludes there should have been no measurable water at locatin A.

I’m still looking for the FACTS, William. And I fear we haven’t established which of the two varying sets of data points actually point to the FACTS. I really think we need to be able to establish that.

I did not mean to imply that you had made up your mind about the accuracy of Dr. Jawitz’s findings one way or the other, just that you still remain dissatisfied with the level of proof that you can find to verify his accuracy.

I agree that we only need the facts, ma’am, just the facts….

The difference between us is that I have decided that the fly though video is enough of a vindication of the other materials that I can live with calling them a fact. Of course, I am not a scientist at heart, like you are. I am simply an amateur in the water/fluid department. Give me a computer and I will wow ya, but water just makes me wet…. 8O

though/through

Excerpt of JVM – ISSUES
ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Casey Anthony Out of Money for Defense; Morgan Harrington`s Mom Speaks Out about Killer
Aired March 18, 2010 – 19:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/18/ijvm.01.html

“VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, 200 grand. Is it me or is it something horrifying to think that a woman accused of murdering her own daughter then sells photos of the very same child to pay for her defense?

STACEY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Well, Jane, I don`t think something should be surprising in this case. Is it horrifying? Of course it is.

And I think now what the public is trying to say is we want to know — that`s why the court had an open hearing, because the Florida people are saying, “We want to know where that money went to if we`re going to have to cough up the rest of this defense. We have a right to know what expenses, where that money went to, what their fee was, because we`re going to have to foot this bill. And we want to know if the money is being used properly.”

So we`re going to see another hearing next week.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, I got to get back to the money that she got. Two hundred grand from ABC for photos, and then Todd Macaluso, who was an attorney who was on her case, gave her 70 grand?

Now, when I go to the attorney, they don`t — they don`t pay me. I pay them. OK? I don`t understand this. Especially in mind of the fact that he had to drop out of the case because he`s in trouble with the California bar for alleged misappropriation of client funds.

HONOWITZ: Listen, Jane, the bottom line is, when someone has a high- profile case, a serious case of this nature, and they have the opportunity to pay a legal team, and they`re going to get paid money by ABC or a network, they`re going to take that money to pay the team.

Now most people don`t understand or might think to themselves well, why would the attorney — if she`s going to be indigent later on, why would the attorney take a smaller fee in the beginning? And I think that`s what people are upset about. What money was paid to him, where did it go to, why is she needing the people to foot the bill right now? And that`s what we`re seeing in open court. And that`s what has people distressed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is she — OK. She sold photos of her child for 200 grand. We don`t know the exact date. But obviously, it was in the past. At what point does it become illegal for somebody to profit off of a crime? They have to be convicted first, right, for that to be legal?

HONOWITZ: Correct. That`s exactly right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So why doesn`t the prosecution say, “Do that, then”?

HONOWITZ: Well, because we don`t know what the prosecution is arguing. I`m sure the prosecution is standing up there and they are being very forceful, as most prosecutors will if they know that there`s other ways that that individual can get money and pay for the defense.

So the prosecutor might be saying, “You sold $200,000 worth of pictures. Do something else now.” Because she doesn`t have to give anything up. She doesn`t have to — she can`t profit until she`s been convicted of something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Somebody else was jumping in about this, because to me if — it`s more reprehensible, but if you`ve done it once, do it again? Go ahead.

SUSKAUER: Here`s what`s interesting. Jane, there was a hearing several months ago. The prosecution was very concerned of a conflict of interest, that monies coming in were going to Jose Baez, and then he would make decisions on this case in regard to the money, not in regard to his client. After a closed-door hearing, it came out, and it said that Casey Anthony had never assigned her property rights, that she still held that right.

Well, now, if she`s declared indigent, she no longer can accept monies and neither can Jose Baez, so the monies are stopped.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it. And they said they didn`t want to make book deals. Right.

HONOWITZ: But Jane, until she`s been declared indigent. She hasn`t been declared indigent yet.
**********************************

Valhal,

The deal KC made with ABC was August 2008, right? I believe JVM is wrong at what she has stated at her show, isn’t she? JVM is not as good as you, she didn’t make her homework!!! You should have your own show and name it “Hinky Meter”!!!

Val, I might be able to help with the study. I live on the East Side of Orlando about 5 or so miles from the “dumping ground” and have a kick ass digital camera. I’m not sure about wading off into the muck to take a picture but I could certainly zoom in on the location. I have not been able to bring myself to go to the site so maybe this will give me a purpose to do it.
I probably could only do it on Saturday and Sunday because I work from 6:00AM to 6:00PM daily.
Let me know

Casey Anthony: We’ll soon learn more about George’s alleged mistress, WKMG reports
Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, WKMG — posted by halboedeker on March, 22 2010 4:37 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-well-soon-learn-more-about-georges-alleged-mistress-wkmg-reports.html

Janie,

Thank you! To be clear, I do not want anybody trespassing, so what I would be wanting you to do is on a significant rain date, just go to a designated spot on the street (I would give you the exact location to park) and then walk only to the tree line (or as far as any posted no trespassing signs would allow you) and take a picture of the sloped area from the road into the foliage to see if there is standing water in that area.

Area A is 17 foot from the curb of the street, so basically a picture of “17 feet from curb), at a designated location. If we get this pulled off I will provide pictures, etc to assist in making sure you are getting the correct location.

DUH!!! I just figured out who 3P is! Call me dense as an thicket!

I’m toying with the notion of a trip to Orlando, Val. Depending on where Stephen is at that point in time. Post TS/hurricane. I’ll be taking K and K with me. They’re Eagle scouts, and are past due for some high adventure — snakes and gators anyone? We’ll see how it plays out.

oops — a thicket.

Aww! Thank you Janie! Didn’t read your post. Let me know when you’re going and perhaps I can meet you there.

It’s a three and a half hour drive though, from here — so maybe not. You’d be there and back before I got half way up the road!

Janie, Val,

Okay that was a really stupid offer. I was just worried you wouldn’t get the measurement and I feel it’s important as well, which isn’t to discount anyone’s measurements or opinions. It would just be good to get a sound measurement under similar circumstances, at the time of such flooding, not after the fact.

I’m so glad you’re doing this Janie. I’ve wanted to go up but varying things keep me from doing so. Soon, perhaps.

Be watchful of any Anthony’s and don’t let anyone know that you’ve gone until you come back. You wouldn’t want a confrontation.

Godspeed.

Val, delete all but the last post, if you will please. I don’ t like seeing Willow so over and over.

Thanks

No problem Val. Let me know when you want to start this and I’m in.
Willow, I can go pretty much anytime, the site isn’t that far from me. When you decide to make the trip let me know and we can meet there for sure.
Hell, I may have to ride by there during the week just to scope it out. I have a black Mustang exactly like Lee’s so the Scamthony’s may want to know what the hell Lee is doing down there LOL.

I am not sure what the “error message” is that you are talking about, valhall, but I get told that the server kicked me off and to try again later now and then when I come to the site. Usually, I just wait a minute or two and then hit the reload current page button and things work out fine.

Janie,

Ha! A black Mustang! Don’t go alone though, okay? And don’t post when you’re going!

I’ll get up there sooner or later. Right now I’ve got a little boy who’s undergoing some medical stuff.

Be watchful. These people are ruthless! And if the Milstead’s are hanging around? Double trouble.

Willow

Morgan and Morgan have now filed their Witness List and Exhibits list.

03/19/2010 Witness and Exhibit List

Who will be Casey’s lawyer in this? Kasen or Tomasita, Tomasita or Kasen… or none of the above? Mr. James C want to get up to speed with this one, and avoid some novice freebie lawyer from stepping on the capital case issues and causing blunders for the real freebie lawyers?

William,

It’s doing it to me too. I just assume the server is busy?

Thanks Willow, I’m trying to send my email to Val so we can make arrangements that way instead on the blog. We never know who might be lurking here. bwwwaaaaaa!!

I hope all is will with your son, trust me when I tell you I know what you are going through.

FRG, I wonder who the troubled woman could be? LMAO
I can’t wait for the details of this affair to come out for the sole purpose of once again proving George to be a liar. I could give 3 shi*z less if he had an affair, what I do give 3 sh*tz about is that he lied, and had his lawyer lie on national TV.

Janielane,
Me too, I am also curious, not that I would care if George had an affair either… I just think it fits his profile. I would like to see the phone records between them, it could be very telling. As far as CONway, he lied once and he will keep lying, in my opinion. Conway fits right in with the Anthony’s.
I am glad you will be able to help Val with the water level photos, I bet Val is excited as well. Good luck for you!!!

FRG, I don’t know that I can help but I sure as hell am willing to try. BTW, does anyone know how to find the freaking email addresses for Ashton and Burdick? Another question that I keep asking is can a plain Jane Citizen, like me, file a complaint to the Bar?

» janielane said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 06:03:06 }

Anyone can, but you would complain to the Bar, not the prosecutors. Although it would probably carry more weight coming from an attorney.

Hey kids it’s document dump time!!! Tomorrow…

http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html

And it looks like this week’s special guest is…
a former searcher, Baker Actee, blogger nutjob and
all-around “woman with a troubled past”…
we all know who that is! Be there or be square…

I know they’re sleuthing this out again over on WS, but I’d love to hear your insights here.

For me, the Nov 2008 time frame is the second most important time line in the case, over than June 15 – July 15. My theory is that the A’s both knew with absolute, concrete certainty that Caylee was dead at KC’s hand sometime in the middle of November 2008.

I did my own time line based on media articles a few weeks ago that has been reposted around a bit, but not here. Your thoughts would be interesting. I believe that the A’s wouldn’t likely be charged for any actions prior to this, as it can’t be proven that they knew for sure so obstruction can’t be proven. Nor could fraud.

However, IF the State can show that they did know around Nov 2008 makes all of their further activities like collecting donations, providing fake tips/mall sightings, misleading pressers, etc. truly fraudulent and obstructive.

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There was so much going on back then. Let’s start in November 08. (Dates may not be exact, but are close as all culled from on line media publications)
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* 6th? – 500 page doc dump, including George’s LE interview when he admits he was worried about the smell in Casey’s car. “I don’t want to believe that I have, have raised someone, and brought someone in this world that could do something to another person. I don’t want to believe that.”
>that can’t have gone over well when Cindy watched/listened to those audio tapes
* 7th – Nejame takes on TES as clients.
> pizzing Cindy off mightily in the process
* 8th – 3,000+ Voluteers search for Caylee with TES
>No cooperation from the A’s
* 10th – STATE requests gag order “The state wants to bar attorneys, Orange County sheriff’s investigators and the parents of the mother from making any statements to the media about the case against 22-year-old Casey Anthony.”
> Later, CA would raise her hand at the hearing and ask to address the Judge. He shot her down. She wanted to ensure that she would not have to comply w/ gag order.
11th – LP & TES suspend searches for Caylee. LP holds prayer service for dead Caylee. Cindy claims her daughter is a victim – on GMA, no less, and blames it on the pizza – again.
12th – Cindy speaks out against LP holding the memorial prayer service. NOTE: she insists Caylee is alive. (This will be important later when discussing Lee depo)
13th – River search results released. Nothing in the recovered bags relate to Caylee.
14th – Casey files counter-suit against ZFG
15th – 16th – DC is videotaped searching the area near Hopespring. Fairly close to where Caylee’s remains were ultimately discovered. (NOTE: After the tapes come out, DC first says that he went on a hunch because Kio said they used to hang out back there by the school. Shortly afterwards he changes his story to say that the psychic lead him there. Further, the majority of his searching was near the old house, formerly owned by someone names Gonsales [diff spelling noted]. Also, After tapes released, Cindy herself says, “I sent people to the woods to look there back in November.)
17th – In Michelle Bart’s first significant move since taking over for Garrison as the A spokesperson, they tell the media outlets that the A Family will release a press statement this week explaining why they are searching for an alive Caylee. (NOTE: why then was DC sent to the woods poking and prodding looking for remains? [See above comment re: Cindy's proclamation.])
18th – A’s claim live sighting of Caylee in Gainesville. In the same breath, they claim a sighting at a McD’s in Coral Springs
19th – State witness list released (It accidently includes JB on it as a witness.) Gag order hearing postponed until Nov. 25th
20th – NeJame Resigns – alludes to differences of opinion w/ the A’s and clearly states that he will do nothing to assist with Casey’s defense. (looking back, is this the big clue that all actions going forward are entirely for the benefit of Casey’s defense and no longer have anything to do with the Grand-daughter they know with certainty is dead by KC’s hand?)
20th – *** Officials Declare Caylee Dead. They will no longer follow-up on ‘live Caylee’ tips [like where the german shepard peed...] (Interesting timing pt. 1)
21st – Mall sighting photo released (interesting timing pt. 2). DC asks for anyone with information to contact D&A investigations. On the heels of his trip last week to find Caylee’s remains. (Or as Bill noted [paraphrased], ’stage this search outing to benefit the defense.’)
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I’ll stop there so people can pause for thought. Why the full court Hail Mary play this week?
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Now, we could go on forever with this time line, but here is a little task you can undertake for yourselves in relation to everything that went on in November 2008.

* This interview channel 13 did on Nov. 20th did with MB, and the A’s is significantly telling. This is the infamous one where Cindy looks very doped up, frail, and as if she’d received really, really bad news. : hthttp://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=GeorgeAnthonyInterview_112020081037&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Interview

I speculate that some time in November 2008, the A’s not only learned with certainty that Caylee was deceased, I also surmise that they were informed that she was, indeed, “Close,” as KC had once stated to her concerned brother. As the shock set in, so too, did the devious attempts to spin.

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Every activity the A’s undertook after this point will be scrutinized and lead to their own eventual charges, I think.

WSH, I would think that if enough complaints came from us ole ordinary citizens, that the Bar might just dust the cobwebs off their glasses and take a look at it. I cannot believe that this jackass is going to be allowed to get away with this. If this is how the justice system works they should rename it to the InJustice System. Or at least the forefathers coined it right, Justice Is Blind. Cuz nobody seems to be able to see the forrest for the trees. And the weights are WAY out of balance these days. They should change it to show the Coins on one side and the lack of coins on the other side. Because this day and age it isn’t about justice, it’s about money. Not one singe one of these so called High Powered Attorney’s would give a second glance at a case to do for free if there was nothing in it for them. This case is about nothing more than WHO CAN PROFIT MORE! Ok, sorry for rambling, I’m just ticked off.

*sigh*

I’m trying to figure out if I need to upgrade the upgrade of my upgrade. Could one of you please, the next time you get an error, screencap the error message you are getting and send it and your computer time, along with your timezone to me in an email? I have to have that so that my hosting provider can look it over.

Thanks.

Williow: That was the way I figured it too, but I will capture it and send it to valhall if it happens again.

William, Val,

Ha! I just learned how to do a screencap! Didn’t have a clue! Now I do! Proof you can teach an old (female) dog new tricks, huh? Now to practice on someone … O, William!

Just kidding.

How do you do a screen cap?

Janie,

http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/TFBConsum.nsf/48e76203493b82ad852567090070c9b9/c5b7d247a0c9c45a85256b2f006c6186?OpenDocument

Skim through. Maybe this will help you.

Willow

» Carla said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 08:03:09 }

How do you do a screen cap?

Hold down your alt key and then hit the key that should have Prt Scrn at the top of it (usually over by your Insert, Home, Scroll Lock, etc. buttons). Open up paint and hold down your ctrl key and v (in other words, ctrl-v paste it). It will show up in your paint and then you can crop it down or whatever you want. You can also just paste it directly into an email.

Janie,

Darn, that link went off the page. Can you access it?

Carla,

Press start on your task bar.

Go to snipping tool.

Drag the cursor over the area you want to highlight/capture.

Name and save, and that’s it!

Wow.

Val,

I’m going to try that too. Sounds easier than saving and inserting.

Monica,

O, Joy! That will add a Wray of sunshine to my day!

NOT! (Forgot that part).

Discovery Evidence May Be Released In Casey Case
Posted: 5:25 pm EDT March 22,2010
Updated: 5:36 pm EDT March 22,2010

http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. — More discovery evidence is expected to be released Tuesday in the case against Casey Anthony.
The documents include an interview with a woman who has a troubled past. The woman claimed she searched the area where Caylee Anthony’s remains were eventually found on December 11, but didn’t find anything.
WFTV is also expecting interviews with Texas EquuSearch volunteers to be included.
So far, more than 12,000 pages of evidence have been released in the case.

http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html

» FRG said: { Mar 21, 2010 – 06:03:47 }

Re Henry Lee & Spector is a fine fine bit of Court room drama IMO. (If you can get over the anguish it caused) Worth a watch. I felt really really really really sorry for the poor lawyer whose name I can’t remember but should.

I’m posting not having read much of today. Usually a bad idea. But if I don’t I’ll forget and that little fiasco might interest you. There are a lot of interesting points in the Spector trial. I’m glad I watched it obsessively as I think it offers a lot of insight into the kind of defense Casey will get from LKB. The Prosecutor in that case was superb. Again IMHO. Of course Spector had $.

LOL…FRG,

The documents include an interview with a woman who has a troubled past…

Ubi wubonduber whubo thubat cubould bube? Juboy Wrubay mubaybe?

» Valhall said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 09:03:56 }

LOL…FRG,

The documents include an interview with a woman who has a troubled past…

Ubi wubonduber whubo thubat cubould bube? Juboy Wrubay mubaybe?

Depends just in time….

PotatoHead said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 07:03:50 }
..My theory is that the A’s both knew with absolute, concrete certainty that Caylee was dead at KC’s hand sometime in the middle of November 2008.

..IF the State can show that they did know around Nov 2008, it makes all of their further activities like collecting donations, providing fake tips/mall sightings, misleading pressers, etc. truly fraudulent and obstructive.
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……….excellent work PH! great timeline info.

..when i 1st saw the nov.’08 video of cindy—”totally out of it”—-and only speaking 2 words (!) ——-i KNEW something was definitely going on.

..of course she pulled herself together to fly to california and appear on larry king a couple of weeks later.

..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbNCHyDa83Y

..and here, she’s right back at it——–a credible tip in tennessee! a sighting in california! oh, and just a week ago—–right in orlando, TWO women had a sighting…

..then, BOTH she and george do double duty blabbing about the “pizza” —-( surely they KNOW ——-there was NO pizza——JUST the empty box. )

..i agree with you —-they KNEW caylee was indeed dead——but, how can it be PROVEN ? to the point where they can be charged ??

..NOTHING would make me happier , than to see cindy and george walking into court in SHACKLES, and having to face judgeS on their OWN charges.

PotatoHead said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 07:03:50 }

..on nov.19th ( the day before cindy’s “out of it ” non-interview ) the sherrif’s office announces it is no longer looking for a live caylee.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html

……i don’t think it took the SO to announce it, for cindy to get it.

..cindy can do the math, NO caylee for 31 days + the dead body in the damn car + the damn car, IN orlando ( and not jacksonville?) + kc basically blowing her off for 31 days, + nothing of caylee’s ever taken from the house ( when kc would sneak in ) + …

..by november….( if not by the first of august!) …..cindy had spoken to, or had over to her house, MANY of kc’s (X) friends——and KNEW that they all got the same run around ( caylee’s at the beach! at sea world ! with mom! with zanny!) that she had been getting since june 15th.

..she knew, THEN, that it was all a lie, and caylee was dead.

The state is probably going to turn up the pressure on George + Cindy,
with the threat of fraud + obstruction to force them to give more detailed
factual testimonies – a behind the scenes informal plea bargain. Force them to
spill it all then let them off for psychological factors of being grieving grandparents
acting out and not in their right mind. Casey in turn is preparing to throw them
under the bus.

BrendaT said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 09:03:49 }

Brenda, Dr. Lee should be ashamed of himself for what he did, IMO. Do you know if Phil Spector dismissed LKB for the second trial? I have been trying to look for any article about it and can’t find it anywhere, maybe you know where I can find it, please… ad thank you!!!

» FRG said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:50 }

I think he was running low on cash in the second trial. BTW, there are reports that his teeth got knocked out this past week in prison, conflicting reports as to whether he got beat up from another inmate for ‘mouthing off’, or if he fell down stairs.

Snip:
Witness List Obtained In Casey Civil Case
Posted: 10:44 pm EDT March 22,2010
Updated: 8:07 am EDT March 23,2010

http://www.wftv.com/news/22915130/detail.html

“ORLANDO, Fla. — More evidence in the criminal case against Casey Anthony is expected to be released on Tuesday, and there are also new developments in the civil case against her.”

Here is the Plaintiff’s Witness List and Exhibit List. (22 pages)

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22913460/detail.html

Casey Anthony: Bill O’Reilly highlights the irony of Disney-owned ABC News paying Casey Anthony $200,000
posted by halboedeker on March, 23 2010 8:34 AM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-bill-oreilly-highlights-the-irony-of-disney-owned-abc-news-paying-casey-anthony-200000.html

Snip:
“Fox News Channel’s Bill O’Reilly turned to the subject of “this Casey Anthony person” last night.

“Why would ABC pay her 200,000 bucks?” O’Reilly asked.”

Val-I sent you another e-mail.

New documents to be released in Casey Anthony case
Updated: Tuesday, 23 Mar 2010, 7:45 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 23 Mar 2010, 7:15 AM EDT

By NICK FOKIANOS | FOX 35 News

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) – FOX 35 expects to get new information today in the Casey Anthony case.

We’re expecting new documents about the search for Anthony’s daughter Caylee.

The new files could map out in detail the search by Texas rescue group Equusearch.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/032310-casey-anthony

FRG’ thanks for posting that link. It’s about time someone in the news starts hammering on this issue. I sent emails to the Orlando Sentinal and to Kathi Belich last night regarding the money trail and why the news outlets were not digging into this. I don’t expect a reply but I sure as heck hope that lots of other people are doing the same thing. I tried to find the news link for the freakin National Enquirer too but couldn’t.

Val,
You do so many things for us and I just want to thank you! I think you are awesome!

Another article on the money issue:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/abc/lawyers_reveal_abc_news_paid_200000_to_casey_anthony_family_155547.asp

Janielane
Links upthread to Nat Enq at

seemeatthebeach said: { Mar 22, 2010 – 10:03:00 }

Janielane,

YW!!! You are not the only that emails Kathi and other reporters, I have done it and Kathi at times replies, she is very polite person… I think she doesn’t reply when she is really busy. I haven’t emailed National Enquirer but I found this it might help you.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/contact/

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-documents-20100323,0,2314530.story

More docs released!! woo woo! now we just gotta wait for some one to post them…comeeeeeeeee oooooonnnnnnnnnn…….

WOFL has 282 pages up

Jawitzs’ report is up at WOFL.

New documents released in Casey Anthony case
Updated: Tuesday, 23 Mar 2010, 10:22 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 23 Mar 2010, 7:15 AM EDT

By NICK FOKIANOS | FOX 35 News
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/032310-casey-anthony

http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/documents/032310-anthony1.pdf
http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/documents/032310-anthony2.pdf

Several Transcripts Released In Casey Case
Posted: 5:25 pm EDT March 22,2010
Updated: 10:40 am EDT March 23,2010

http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html

Hi everybody!

I am reading JW’s statements given to LE on Nov 13, 2009, on page 22 and wow, she said GA told her to work undercover for him and watch if any of the TES volunteers were planting things to frame KC. She might be crazy but it seems to me a lot of things she is saying about the Anthony’s so far makes sense… we will see. JW also states she was watching Mr. Kronk the August 11, 2008 as she drove by and saw him in the woods (or coming out of the woods), she also found it odd.
This is a very interesting read. Let me go back.

Frg – going through JW interview right now too!
Wow…what patience on behalf of LE

JW says she cant stand Baez LOL

JW tells investigators Beaz told her the defense is helping Caylee

Really Baez? Really?!?!!?!

A meter reader matching the description of Roy Kronk was hanging around the Anthony pool and looking at Caylee’s according to Joy Wray as told by the Anthonys.
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I noticed, whether or not she has emotional or mental problems, when she is caught in something not completely honest, or nonsensical, she goes out of her way to spin a tale. “I didn’t want to bother you guys”, in response to not handing CD evidence to the state, but providing it to Baez instead. She says that the person at Best Buy would be lying, if that person said that she requested items to be deleted so that the police couldn’t see it.

She likes to talk in circles…yeesh

Stepping away for a bit to get part of my sanity back.

Caylee’s according/Caylee’s toys according

uhhh FYI Joy Wray Personally knows George Bush according to her…he also emails her daughter xmas cards…

LOLOLOL wtf i am taking lunch now before i get wrayed out

Oh Wow. Joy Wray called LE several times saying people were following her. She also thinks her house was broken into while she was out searching and that her computer was hacked and phone lines cut. She thinks that whoever it is didn’t want her to find the body and knew she was out searching.

She also claims she once saw Roy Kronk coming out of the tree line real fast (Aug 11) and she thought it was weird.

She said she’s been told that the detectives think she is crazy. Hello?

Valhall,
1st I devour everything on your site, you’re truly fabulous! Since I am such a novice blogger I don’t know many of the rules. I had asked a question before and was wondering if you had an opportunity to look into it. The question was in regards to WHO did KC steal from in order to be all her AT&T bills she paid on line? They were quite substantial. I have many more questions but want to make sure no one has asked before so I scour all the posts and have learned innumerable things.
Thank you so much for sharing your talents!
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE

Apache/1.3.33 Server at http://www.thehinkymeter.com Port 80

Val, this is the error message I get

Wow, great reading in today’s Doc Dump! BBL

Tim Miller’s interview is definitely BOMBSHELL and IMO, very damning. I have so much work to do today and I can’t stop reading!!

I agree, FLNative! George’s questions to Casey with Tim Miller in the house, “Where should they start looking”, asking her to place an X on the map!! George KNEW TES was not searching for a LIVE Caylee. Wow!

I know, I’m trying to look away but can’t. As I told Blink, I am sitting in a corner, gently rocking while receiving signals from my tinfoil hat (after reading that JW depo). And now, “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?” is stuck in my head too.

And the tearing up from George after Joy Wray says, “Caylee is alive IN HEAVEN” adds credence to the twin sisters’ stories about George’s accident theory.

From the TM transcript….
Jose Baez asking Tim Miller not to talk to Casey about her case?? Tim Miller thought that was VERY strange, as a few lines up he states he came with intentions of trying to find a live Caylee!! WHY would JB instruct his client NOT to cooperate with the head of a search organization who was trying to find a living Caylee?? This stinks to high heaven.

So who is this woman who wanted to sell her texts from Cindy to National Enquirer?

Come on George, just spill it already. You know the truth. What is holding you back? Just get away from the one thing that is keeping you from telling the truth.. You need to start asking the Lord for forgiveness, LIFE IS SO SHORT. You do want to go to heaven to be will Caylee, so DO THE RIGHT THING. Stop beating yourself up about the pass and do what is right for your precious grand baby. It is not you fault and no way could you have prevented this. Your daughter is sick and should no way get away with this and she won’t. FACE THE TRUTH AND SAVE YOUR SOUL NOW.

I’m overJOYed, totally enJOYing my day, and can’t express how JOYful I am to see signs of spring.

Please excuse my JOYvial mood. I’m only JOYking around!

Holy atomic pile of steaming poo, Batman! Joy Wray, officially certifiably insane, is worried that the detectives think she’s certifiably insane.

*lily curled up in the closet rocking back and forth*

It’s OK Lily….stay calm, your safe, you can come out now. Joy’s gone.

Lily

I stated upthread….Can’t get “What’s the frequency, Kenneth? ” REM out of my head:
This song is about an incident in 1986 when CBS news anchor Dan Rather was attacked on a New York City sidewalk by a crazed man yelling “Kenneth, what is the frequency.” The man turned out to be William Tager, who was caught when he killed a stagehand outside of the Today Show studios 9 years later. Tager, who is serving a 25 year sentence, said he was convinced the media was beaming signals into his head, and that he was on a mission to determine their frequencies.

Good heavens where do I start with the documents released today? Help! I am glad I got a job, but now I am backed up on the case lol.
Val-Can I have a hint on the next subject, then I will start my reading there.
We have been fogged in here in NE Ohio today. Yuck. None of the joy here like Kerflunkled.

hahahaha I use “what’s the frequency Kenneth” all the time with my 16 year old son and he has no idea what I’m talking about! REM one of the greatest bands – all time!!!

And we all thought CINDY talked in circles!! I could never, ever have the patience that these detectives had while interviewing Joy.

Now, I counted 3 computers (2 laptops – 1 dead, and one desktop), 3 cell phones (1 belonging to her deceased mother in law, 1 BAT phone long gone and can’t remember the number, and one former SPRINT PCS phone long disconnected), 2 cameras, 1 media card (‘taken’ from her by a P.I. with Baez/Lyon), several copies of cd’s, 5 emails from/to the whitehouse, 2 phone calls to the whitehouse, an undetermined amount of emails, phone calls, birthday cards from/to George W. Bush while he was President, phone calls and emails to a senator that is close to her (a friend of her family), somewhere between 3 and 20 searches of the EXACT spot where Caylee was found (including just happened to be there the day on Aug 11 and saw Kronk coming out of the woods and he looked ‘suspicious’, 2 separate times a computer was taken to Best Buy (and she thought maybe the Best Buy employee – Kaelen – would try to change the dates of photos on her computer), 2 people in line at Best Buy that said she was asking how to delete photos and change dates of photos.

The question I have is – what were the pictures of she and her husband that she was so anxious to have deleted from her computer? No, I really don’t want to know but she is certainly concerned about that!!

Billy Preston:

Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky

Hi, ya’ll! I need some help — somebody remind me why it’s important that the area where Caylee’s body was found was under water or not under water? I just can’t remember…

Stef –

Because 1) Texas Equusearch said they couldn’t go all the way back where the body was found for fear of stepping on evidence that they couldn’t see underwater and it was also unsafe. 2) Other people (Joy Wray) are claiming that they could and did go back there and there was no water and there was no body when they were there. Joy is claiming she also has dated pics of when she was there.

The defense is obviously angling that people were there – there was no body – therefore Casey didn’t do it.

Oh, yeah, of course – “my people have walked that area” b.s. from Cindy — so, that would mean no body was there early on and that means the body was put there while Casey was in jail… so someone else did it. Of course.

BUT, as we really know, because of the deep water, no one can truthfully say THE BODY WASN’T THERE. Impossible. Meaning that Casey very well could have put the body where it was eventually found and done so right after the death (murder). You can’t prove that she didn’t by saying “that area was searched and there was no body.” Can’t say that due to the deep water. Got it.

THANKS! Having a cotton-candy-brain day, you know what I mean?

So after meeting with detectives on April 13, 2009 looking disoriented, and disheveled, and claiming to be a spy for Pres. Bush and claiming that Padilla threatened her and her kids if she testified . . .

wait for it . . .

Joy was taken into custody under the Baker Act . . . once again. She must have been really really out there!!

Oh, Oh, Oh . . . as part of her spy training she learned to hang from trees and take pictures!!! This is how she was able to get photos in the area that Caylee’s remains were found!

OMG!

lol Lily, I KNOW I’m showing my age here but since you’re one of my faves I have to let you in on a little secret. How I remember “What’s the frequency, Kenneth..?” has to do with a Dan Rather incident WAY before the members of REM were potty trained. (sorry Val but this IS the miscellaneous thread, right?) lol.

From wiki: “The title of the song is not original to the band, which guitarist Peter Buck explains in the liner notes to In Time: The Best of R.E.M. 1988–2003. It refers to an incident in New York City in 1986, where news anchor Dan Rather was the victim of an unprovoked attack by one or two assailants who, between beatings, would ask, “what’s the frequency, Kenneth?”[5] (although the phrase Dan Rather says he actually heard was, “Kenneth, what is the frequency?”. One of the assailants has been since identified as William Tager, who attacked Rather because he thought the media had taken control of him. Furthermore, in a 2001 Harper’s article (“The frequency: Solving the riddle of the Dan Rather beating” this incident was tenuously linked by Paul Limbert Allman back to the late Postmodern literary giant Donald Barthelme’s writings,

j/k about the potty part. I’m sure they were out of training pants by then.

someone let me know if i missed anything in the Joy Wray from Dec interview because i just finished the November and am skipping to Tim Miller before i figure out the frequency

Oh, trust me Jennyb – I’m old enough to remember the incident with Dan Rather! The whole thing has been a running joke around our house for years. My three older sons once played a joke on us one weekend morning by all putting on tin foil hats and watching the tv in the living room on a static channel (of course, this was right after the movie Signs came out).

We’re sort of a quirky bunch!

Thanks for the memories though! Unfortunately my 16 year old is clueless about many of the little inside jokes that his much older brothers get a kick out of. He just basically ignores all of us.

Yeah Lily you’re my homey. Shoulda known. *mwah*!

Your clan sounds like a hoot. I might have to drop by for dinner sometime. Hysterical!

Guess I should familiarize myself with that pesky doc dump huh? It won’t read itself I’m guessin’.

“Cindy was totally in control of everything. And made sure everybody said the right words” Tim Miller

Jennyb – if you’re ever down in south Texas – please let me know!!

» lily said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 02:03:35 }

I feel bad having started this tinfoil hat and frequency business because I know she isn’t well. On the other hand, she is manipulative, and knows when she has done something questionable or wrong. She makes too many excuses. She throws away phones, tries to scrub her computer…etc. I guess what I;m trying to say is she knows right from wrong and gets caught in lies.

lily said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 12:03:22 }
Holy atomic pile of steaming poo, Batman! Joy Wray, officially certifiably insane, is worried that the detectives think she’s certifiably insane.
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My thoughts exactly. WOW what a trip into Crazyville! Really, it sort of makes you want to take a shower and wash the icky off.

If this woman got ANYTHING right it was purely coincidence. Still, if she can hang from trees and take pictures, that’s pretty special, isn’t it?

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 03:03:00 }
“Cindy was totally in control of everything. And made sure everybody said the right words” Tim Miller

Chop

Is there going to be a depo with George’s friend who saw the screaming fit, before Cindy tossed Tim Miller out? What about Holly Gagne since she is witness to the “weird meter reader” lurking around the Anthony’s pool and Caylee’s toys?

She is still lurking around the Anthonys herself. She was in court last week. Do they still have contact with her?

i don’t know but I NEED to see that trancript of Georges ex cop friend..

“the answers are in the bedroom but the f*ckin b*tch won’t talk”

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL Sorry i got a lil excited

Nothing Tim M said about Cindy comes as any surprise but it’s sure nice to have what we’ve all known to be as plain as the nose on our faces confirmed under oath.

Something else got my attention when he was talking about seeing George drive by the hotel that night–wonder if George went to the hotel to find Tim and come clean about what he knew and then chickened out??

George seems to be a very conflicted soul. I think he is probably the only one who maybe has half a conscience but he just can’t bring himself to do the right thing. It has gone on way too long for that. I’d sure love to know what was in that suicide note he wrote. Guess we never will, unless some of it comes out at trial.

What the heck was going on with Cindy and the woman in Mississippi and the Zenaida? The police were suspecting an possible attempt at reasonable doubt.

» FlNative said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 03:03:06 } George seems to be a very conflicted soul. I think he is probably the only one who maybe has half a conscience but he just can’t bring himself to do the right thing.

That’s why he MAY HAVE said something to one of the twins; even if there was no affair.

an possible/a possible

Interesting stuff in the Joseph Jordan interviews also, about how Laura Buchanan tried to get him to admit he had been on a search with her right where the body was found. And LB admitted to working with Baez. JJ had no clue who LB was.

OMG the Mellisa Ernst interview is PISSIN me off and i just started reading…PLEASE PLEASE tell me the defense is not going to go with the black guy did it!!!

page 3 “i find it very odd that a black person, a full-fledged black person, has um you know, a mexican last name.”

yeah you heard it here first- FULL FLEDGED BLACK PERSON

LMAO

wow so disgusting yet so hilarous

» samantha said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 03:03:28 }

I am confused about that. Wasn’t Laura Buchanan supposedly from NJ or NY? IIRC, she was actually from some place down south, or am I confusing a different person?

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 03:03:27 }

Chop

I guess I was a bit bonkers after reading JW, but I didn’t know exactly what was going on in that interview. I wasn’t certain if the Zenaida was changing relationships from cousins to nieces etc, and/or if Cindy was changing last names etc. I found it difficult to follow. I thought Cindy was looking into a black person but then that statement from Ernst was off putting. Please let me know what it is all about when you are done, I don’t think I want to go back and reread it.

Ugh – C Hop – I cannot stand racist attitudes and stereotyping. It’s just so typical of some of these cases “the black guy did it”.

This just makes me sick!!

So far i got that…Melissa found a Zenaidia online (myspace – not THAT one) with a pic that looked like Caylee (released in discovery i think), she checked with a photog friend who said the pics been photoshopped and they look like the same kid or at least related. Melissa called Cindy gives her this info and cindy tells her to ask questions about certain family members. Melissa does this and reports back to Cindy. Melissa says cindy is excited because she is checking into a black guy too and there seems to be some similiarities (not) But Anywho Melissa says Cindy is very excited when she reports back having found someone related to the Zenaida w last name of Ortiz which Cindy says is Zanny the nanny sister’s Samanatha’s last name too! OMG!(not) So then Melissa starts thinking something is fishy because she says Cindy slips up and changes her story saying zanny’s sister samantha’s last name is fernandez. SO Cindy wants melissa to chat up Zani again and get her address cuz Cindy wants to go to PR to find her. Melissa’s hinky meter has gone off (FINALLY) and decided to call detective – plus her Mom told her too LOL P H E W ! ! !….still reading will keep you posted….

Jennyb, Lily,

I need my tinfoil pants on after reading you 2 all afternoon.

LOL! Tin foil pants! Chat – you funny. Sorry guys for getting so off topic on a day when we have topics!!

WSH,

Regarding George — perhaps he will yet break down. Perhaps, during the trial, when he has to answer such questions as what prompted him to ask Casey to mark an X on Tim Miller’s map.

I need a breather, lest I get in my Expedition and drive to Orlando and park right in their darn drive!

Notwithstanding anything George may have had actual knowledge of prior to 12/11/08, he has the advanced police training and experience which gave him the knowledge of how things work — good or bad — so I say that he had to have been very conflicted from the first minute because in the very early days into this case, he indulged his cop persona and then sometime in the 2nd or 3rd week, behind closed doors, he was brainwashed into the custard cup we see now. I could easily end up with pills and hooch in a motel 8 if something [that] gruesome happened to a loved one of mine. Now before anyone tries to get my IP address or track my pings and send out the Mounties, I am only woofing out the seat of my aluminium trousers as I type this last sentence.

oh and yes Melissa was saying the Zenaida she chatted with changed stories constantly probably because she’s some random PR chick who dont give a crap, i sure wouldn’t just hand out my last name, address, and family relations to a stranger on myspace FTLOG!!

i LOVE Melissa’s mom though…told melissa “stop talking to cindy anthony and call the police before you are charged with obstruction”

there you have it..always listed to your mama

You all will bail me out, right?

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 03:03:32 }

Thanks Chop

listed/listen

» willow said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 04:03:53 }

You all will bail me out, right?

DON”T DO IT WILLOW! LOL

So far I have made it thru Tim Miller, Melissa from Mississippi and a little bit of Joy (Jungle Jane) Wray-Wow that lady has some serious issues. What do you think about George and Tim trying to get Casey to put an X on the map? Like she’d ever help search. I think its really sad that Tim Miller at Cindy’s request comes to Florida and not one member of the family helps in the searches-Oh and as a Thank You, Cindy throws everyone out of the house.

I have to say I like George’s friend from Ohio-He tells it like it is!

Casey would have put an X as far away from Suburban Drive as she could.

Or . . .

An X on Blanchard Park

IMO

I thought she would put it on the statline or ask for a map of Puerto Rico.

WSH,

I’m gonna be there. Sooner or later. One way or the other. Closing arguments sounds like a good time to go to me.

Hummm.. wonder what surprises Val or JWG will have for us come morning ….
worth staying in town for, don’t you think?

Goin’ back to reading.

hugs, WSH

..from cpl. edwards report:
12/08/2009

..edwards spoke with lori cree, who reported that volunteer linda tinelli informed her that george anthony had been given thousands of dollars by a widow assissting in the search efforts. this reportedly upset cindy anthony, when it was brought to her attention.

————-( of course cindy would be upset—–if money is involved and it’s not coming to her.)

ellejay said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 04:03:09 }

..from cpl. edwards report:
12/08/2009..edwards spoke with lori cree, who reported that volunteer linda tinelli informed her that george anthony had been given thousands of dollars by a widow assissting in the search efforts. this reportedly upset cindy anthony, when it was brought to her attention.————-( of course cindy would be upset—–if money is involved and it’s not coming to her.)

Good find. Did Linda Tinelli confirm that? Even so, many steps in hearsay, yessh.

Could someone tell me where the Tim Miller interview is?

…all of the interviews are here :

http://www.wftv.com/news/22912545/detail.html

Did Linda Tinelli confirm that? Even so, many steps in hearsay, yessh

………..lori does call cpl. edwards on dec.11/09 and explained that linda tinelli had identified the woman who had suppiled george with money. she gave edwards linda’s contact info.

..unfortunately when they interview linda tinelli on dec. 14th——–there is no mention of this person , or that money.

Well, I read JW’s statements and from my understanding there might have happened another statement with JW’s lawyer present, is it fair to say? JW sounded like she gave the photos she took to AL’s Pi (Mortimer and then she realized she would be into trouble then she changed her story… does anybody feel the same about her? I don’t really think she is crazy, she is really really nosy and does things without thinking about the consequences. I hope I am not getting into trouble for saying this. I have a sense anybody could manipulate her. I may be wrong since I am not a psychologist. I just don;t understand how she said she saw RK leaving the woods… she could be a suspect as she also said it. I guess that defense might try to use her because of her photos she has taken of the area but then JW is writing a book and she was never clear she believed KC didn’t kill Caylee anyway, at least to LE.
I really would like to know what you guys thought of her statements.

Casey Anthony: Society of Professional Jounalists’ Ethics Committee blasts ABC News’ $200,000 payment to family
Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony — posted by halboedeker on March, 23 2010 5:06 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-society-of-professional-jounalists-ethics-committee-blasts-abc-news-200000-payment-to-family.html

Oh Boy!!! Can’t wait for George’s cop buddy from Ohio to testify at trial. He was in that hornet nest of dysfunction and am sure will have some very interesting and quite damming observations about this crazy ass family.

JW knows George W. and they discuss this case…..

Willow…

For the first time today, I felt the way I’m sure the initial protesters felt when they marched to the Anthony home! How DARE these people remain free??? I want them to answer and NOT THROUGH Brad Conway this time! Way too easy to pawn the tough subjects — i.e. AFFAIRS — through their lawyer.

C’mon Cindy…explain why you didn’t allow a seemingly willing Casey to TELL WHERE SHE DUMPED CAYLEE’S BODY!!!!!!!

» FRG said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 05:03:09 }

Casey Anthony: Society of Professional Jounalists’ Ethics Committee blasts ABC News’ $200,000 payment to family
Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony — posted by halboedeker on March, 23 2010 5:06 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-society-of-professional-jounalists-ethics-committee-

They should implore the rest of the stations to come clean about the stories they bought!…end of rant, sorry FRG
ABC was not alone.

» FRG said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 05:03:41 }

She’s not “quite right”, but as I posted upthread, she knows the difference between right and wrong, and talks in circles.

…here’s one of joy’s earlier interviews ( 2008 i believe ?) with john allen.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/19653933/Joy-Wray-Interview-w-Det-Allen

She’s not “quite right”, but as I posted upthread, she knows the difference between right and wrong, and talks in circles.

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Joy Wray has a lor in common with the Anthony’s, blabbering on yet saying nothing..but lies & bla, bla, bla when caught in the lies.

WSH said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 06:03:22 }

They should implore the rest of the stations to come clean about the stories they bought!…end of rant, sorry FRG
ABC was not alone.
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No, ABC was not alone, but I haven’t heard any of the Networks have paid $200,000, I mean that’s what the buzz about, from my understanding.

It’s not right any way you slice it FRG. The others paid more than they should have even if the amount wasn’t excessive. There were more than enough “fair-use” photos. But the point was that the sales were never about photos to begin with.

Patti said:

Valhall,
1st I devour everything on your site, you’re truly fabulous! Since I am such a novice blogger I don’t know many of the rules. I had asked a question before and was wondering if you had an opportunity to look into it. The question was in regards to WHO did KC steal from in order to be all her AT&T bills she paid on line? They were quite substantial. I have many more questions but want to make sure no one has asked before so I scour all the posts and have learned innumerable things.
Thank you so much for sharing your talents!
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE

This is a very good question, Patti. I have no idea, and I’m not sure we’ll ever know. This is part of the how did Casey spend her days and how did she have money to do what she did questions.

FRG said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 05:03:41 }

Hi FRG,

The singular point of interest I’d like to know more about in JW’s statements is in regards to the paper that she says AL & Mort had her sign for the mem stick. Whether she gave them the mem stick or whether they took it, I do believe they covered their butts and had her sign something. I’d be very interested to know the wording they used.

As with Casey, there are snippets of truth within Joy’s crazed rantings.

I’m terribly jealous of her. I’m nuts, too, but I can’t boast Bush as one of my imaginary friends. That honour only goes to you guys here on line.

Had a weird thought. Did JW ever babysit Caylee for KC. She would perfect to throw under the bus.

» PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 06:03:54 }

Count me in as one of your imaginary friends; I enjoy your posts.

On the memory stick, I believe she gave it willingly.

*be perfect, i meant to say

Tim’s statement is gold. We’ve seen no other evidence so damning in regards to the family than we have in this intimate close-up inside that house during the very time they had the best help at hand to find Caylee.

It illustrates JB’s reticence with having anyone speak to KC for fear the twit would incriminate herself long before she was charged with murder. That ties right back in with the timing and 200,031 reasons Casey is guilty.

It also highlight’s that Cindy was zipping KC’s lips from the get go. Cindy knew Caylee wasn’t alive. She wanted TES to dance to her tune to perpetuate the myth for the media and Casey’s defense strategy. Ugly, vile agenda. Had Cindy had less control over Casey and the situation, it is possible that Casey would have done her defense much further damage.

Tim states that Casey was giggly and smiling, like a ‘girl heading off to cheer-leading camp.’ I can’t wait until the jury hears the 911 calls, the changing pizza stories, the entire catalogue of lies to LE, the changing script, and then Tim gets up on the stand and puts these nails in the coffin. It is circumstantial, but it is also incredibly damning when taken in context with all of the rest of the testimony that will be heard.

The whole ‘x’ on the map is a non-starter for me. She would have lied and wasted more of LE’s, TES’ time, energy and dollars. I’m glad she didn’t get the chance to screw the searches and investigation up further.

I’m no where near done, yet. There are so many docs, so many pages, but right now I’m so rather amazed that so much of what I’m reading Val has addressed in her articles, and in particular about the water level.

And Sally, the whole darn lot of them to include Baez should be UNDER the darn jail for obstruction, among other things, to include Baez!

Going back to reading now.

WSH said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 06:03:21 }

Thanks! ditto!

I also think she gave the mem stick willingly, but I’d really, really like to know what they jotted on that paper and had her sign. don’t think we will ever know though.

WSH, what’s your take on the list of items that the A’s wanted returned? BALLSY!

I wonder if they wanted those items back because they were such valuable evidence or because they’d be so valuable to sell? hmmm?

Potato Head,

Tim is going to be a stellar crucial witness. Oftentimes I felt he should have packed it in early and told the Anthonys to F-off. But you’re so right… this is pure gold. Who needs big mouth *all hat/no cattle* Padilla and his 7 hours that *somehow* makes him an expert on the family dynamics when you’ve got Tim?

Even though none of this comes as a surprise Miller’s interview sets me reeling – it shows the Anthonys as depraved as they really are. They are going to come out of this as pariahs and worse. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

I haven’t read all the comments so sorry if someone already said this. Now, I guess we know why Casey reassured her parents during their jailhouse visit to her that,
“Don’t worry. I didn’t say anything.”
But, if somebody already said this….see? I agree 100%.

Mimi – lol.

“But, if somebody already said this….see? I agree 100%.”

Brilliant way to cover your butt. I’m stealing that.

I have always thought that JB has kept such tight reins on anyone speaking to Casey not so much because of something she would say would damage the defense, but rather he didn’t want this once-in-a lifetime case and cash cow to slip from his grasp before he milked it for all it’s worth

jennyb said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:15 }

I missed you when you were in spam purgatory.

I had that same spinny sense when reading Tim’s interview. This was such an unbiased, intimate vision of the family as we’re ever likely to hear. Tim states often that he hadn’t really been following the case much before he got there. It isn’t like he walked in with preconceived notions, other than that he was bringing all efforts to bear to find Caylee.

What he saw in those few first days is weighty and relevant.

I’m still holding out on charges for the entire Rat Pack. From JB right on down the line.

Val must be happy with the way LE handled the Churchill and Cree remains site visits? By taking each of them there separately, there are now multiple independent statements on record that all agree the area was under significant amounts of water, and each roughly approximates the level of water to be the same. This is very crucial, too.

Oh, what Mason must be thinking tonight when he reads about JB’s actions in Tim’s statement. Timing is everything.

» Potatohead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:40 }WSH, what’s your take on the list of items that the A’s wanted returned?
BALLSY!

Cosign.

PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 06:03:54 }

“As with Casey, there are snippets of truth within Joy’s crazed rantings.”
**************
Hi PotatoHead! Yep, there are some truths I also believe it.

I am also interested on that piece of paper JW signed… what a dumb!!! I would never ever sign any paper before “reading it”… I used to work as a financial assistant and I learned it.
I guess many of you believe JW gave the memory stick voluntarily… it seems reasonable.
There is also JW’s computer report, that will be more than interesting to see that.

Rat Pack. heh. I’m stealing that too.

Hey I might be a thief but at least I don’t steal checks to pay the cell phone bill.

WSH said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:26 }

Now if I was an Anthony, I’d slide papers under your nose right about now hoping you’d add your chop-chop on these loan papers for a new hot tub for relaxing after stressful days & nights searching for missing children. It’s a charitable foundation tax deduction!

Cosign?

Rat pack….Frank Sinatra….please don’t ruin it, the man had pipes!

» PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:40 }WSH said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:26 }Now if I was an Anthony, I’d slide papers under your nose right about now hoping you’d add your chop-chop on these loan papers for a new hot tub for relaxing after stressful days & nights searching for missing children. It’s a charitable foundation tax deduction!
Cosign?

You dog, you! LOL!

FRG said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:41 }

Can’t wait for the forensics on JW’s computer. And the Best Buy surveillance tapes.

I’m ashamed to admit that I still have screen caps of Joy’s chats in fall of 2008. It was like watching a train wreck. I had to look. Maybe now would be a good time to look at them again?

Ok, I’m grabbing the little rope and going in. Time to read Jordan’s interviews. You’ll yank me back up into the fold if I get lost in the darkness, right? Right?

» PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:34 }

Did you check the oxygen tank first?

hmmm. Why is it that LDB lead Joe Jordan’s interview and not the rest which were done by LE?

Is this because he taped convo with Defense? Or, is this because he was rumoured to be on the defense witness list?

‘splain please.

Ignore above question – LDB lead due to the investigative subpoena & the tape.

Sorry – not enough oxygen apparently. I always breath heavy when doc dumpster diving. (You sure this is oxygen? Feels more like laughing gas.)

Did anyone catch the statement by police that the Zanny description matched the description of the female officer that was dispatched to the Anthony home the night Cindy called 911?

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I watched L. Padillo on NG show tonight. He just flat out said that the incident TM recounted about George asking Casey to mark the map with an X “never happened”. I agree with all the remarks made here that there is something going on with LP! Maybe Baez is using him. He also said the other night that George never had the affair. He almost seems to be on NG to refute any evidence that is talked about that might be damaging to the defense.

LP is a punk. A Defense lovin’ paid punk.

‘Zanny’ may well fit the description of the famale officer. So do many Orlando residents. The description is far more gerneric than it may seem if you live in, say, Oklahoma or Wisconsin. It’s not unusual here in Orlando. It’s an unhelpful description that could apply to many women here.

PonderingWhy said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 09:03:49 }

‘Zanny’ may well fit the description of the famale officer. So do many Orlando residents. The description is far more gerneric than it may seem if you live in, say, Oklahoma or Wisconsin. It’s not unusual here in Orlando. It’s an unhelpful description that could apply to many women here.

***

Yep – just another reason it was so “hinky” to begin with, taken in context with the no-job, no-money lies.

» Linda Pope said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:58 }

I have always thought that JB has kept such tight reins on anyone speaking to Casey not so much because of something she would say would damage the defense, but rather he didn’t want this once-in-a lifetime case and cash cow to slip from his grasp before he milked it for all it’s worth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, because, at that point, the push was already on to create an “alive but missing Caylee.” That was the way it was supposed to stay and he knew Casey had a big mouth. I do believe that, even that early on, he most likely believed that she would eventually be arrested for murder though. I know that I was getting pretty impatient at the time but just kept telling myself that, as soon as LE had enough, they would arrest her for killing Caylee. I think most people felt the same way, even that early on in the case.
I think his true feelings came out very nicely when he CRIED when a body of a child was found near the Anthony home. Just as Casey flipped out and hyperventilated upon the discovery, he also had quite a reaction, eh? …yet it was only, at that point,
the body of an unidentified child.
IMO opinion he cried because he was seeing the money spout wings and fly away. He knew he was going to really have to work now. Without a body, there would have been a fair chance to create all kinds of reasonable doubt.

PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 07:03:34 }

“Go towards the light…towards the light…the light…take my hand! Remember what WSH said…take oxygen…must…sustain…life……….we need you here.”

Mimi this is the first time I’ve ever thought Baez was the mastermind (well, master anyway) of the “Caylee is Alive!” meme. I always assumed it was evil and greedy Cindy’s brain-child.

I do believe Cindy and Baez’s needs and wants dovetailed perfectly on that one. Whodunit? Who came up with that?

It’s funny after spending all this time obsessed with the case and then *bam*! something new and different creeps in.

Holy Mackerel.

I would pay cold hard cash to see that crying/hyperventilating scene with Casey and Baez. I’d even wear 3-D glasses to see that spectacle.

» PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 06:03:54 }

As with Casey, there are snippets of truth within Joy’s crazed rantings.

I’m terribly jealous of her. I’m nuts, too, but I can’t boast Bush as one of my imaginary friends.

——————but————-can you hang upside down in a tree and take pictures ? ( if so, joy’s got nothing on you.)

Linda Pope said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 08:03:30 }
I watched L. Padillo on NG show tonight. He just flat out said that the incident TM recounted about George asking Casey to mark the map with an X “never happened”.

……………and what makes LP the expert on what happened IN the house ? i thought he was relegated to the motor home out on the street?

..( i’ll have to go back——–but didn’t Tim also say that even (LP’S) tracy, was outside smoking at the time ? )

..so, unless padilla has xray vision………..

jennyb said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 09:03:53 }

Well, I wasn’t on to him either, until it seemed he wanted the body to stay missing if it was found. I believe DC was telling the truth about that. Mainly because DC was getting the screw about the money that Baez promised him and never produced. Now, of course, I will have to go back and read some of George’s answers to questioning by LE…because he is the one who informed that JB met with him and Cindy early on. George came away from meeting JB and said he didn’t like him. Later on, he seemed fine with JB though. I think during the first meeting that JB probably said to G and C that it would be best to search for a living Caylee because finding a dead one would lead right to Casey’s door. OF course, this is all JMO.

Question for JWG or anyone

Guest on Nancy Grace was briefly discussing some computer forensics about large areas on the Anthony computer being recently deleted, and recent searches for how to permanently delete items, and an online reference site for medications/ drugs. I just caught the end of it, so I’m not verbatim here. Has there been a report released on this? Does it all correlate to Casey’s search patterns/ sign on, as JWG outlined earlier?

Also, what ever became of the missing child sites Casey was reported to have visited?

Would love to hear JWG break this down as before– who was signed on when these sites were visited, etc.

ellejay said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 09:03:56 }

LP had arrived and been booted out the door before Tim arrived on the scene. He was not longer allowed in that house so he could not have witnessed anything about the “map scene.” Tim did say that Tracy might have been outside smoking or in the bedroom and might have overheard the statement but that he could not be sure. This is the trouble with the types of statements that LP makes IMO. He get to get them out there when, even he, knows a lot of them can’t be verified. Nancy doesn’t study the case enough to call him on anything he says. As to LP’s motivations these days, I couldn’t venture a guess. But, I no longer trust what he says or why he says it. He has a personal agenda going on in this and it is becoming more obvious as time goes by. Seems he’s got a personal problem with LE and Tim. He’s become a lone wolf howling around the edges of it all. Don’t know if he’s on any witness lists but he had some nasty things to say about the A’s and he’d impeach himself to try and change it now.

ellejay said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 09:03:55 }

No, I can’t claim to be adept at upside-down photography (the tinfoil pants/boxers/briefs/thongs/Gma panties seem to get in the way of Cirque du Soliel style twisted maneuvers.)

But… I can sit on an ice cream and tell you what flavour it is. so i am pretty sure she still has nothing on me.

“An ass can sit on ice cream and tell you that its ice cream, a wise ass can sit on ice cream and tell you what flavor it is, a smart ass can sit on ice cream and tell you its cold.”

Today’s chilly flavour is ‘Rocky Road ahead for the Defense with a thick, ripple of Anthony Angst, Anger and Artifiace. Sprinkled liberally with Nuts of all sorts.’

Mimi – I SO AGREE!

Mimi said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 09:03:49 }

“IMO opinion he cried because he was seeing the money spout wings and fly away. He knew he was going to really have to work now. Without a body, there would have been a fair chance to create all kinds of reasonable doubt.”

————–

Nice summation. Got to give the boy credit. He still tried with Kronk.

Did you notice that Mason only came on board to take JB’s first chair position once the money was DOA and there were no more plausible SODDI targets in sight? JB managed to get a real lawyer to come in and do the heavy lifting and real work.

That boy might not be bright, but he is shrewd.

PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 10:03:14 }

..i was wondering where you were going with the ice cream thing——excellent!

WOW…Joy is really NUTS. I mean, I’d always have agreed that she was nuts,
but I thought that was more a dysfunctional or deranged or delusional or daffy.
No. It’s way beyond all of that. She’s batshit insane. How can she possibly be
approved for either side as a credible witness? She’s just talking crazy there,
clearly has no connection at all to reality and seems to just be making up
nonsense as she goes. Why was she ever let out to see the light of day again?
How does she possibly function on a day to day basis? If I were on the jury
I would have to just entirely delete her testimony. She has ZERO CREDIBILITY.

In the latest dump, it seems even more clear that George has been struggling
between breaking down and telling the truth vs. being obviously controlled
by Cindy’s insistence on staying in denial. I can definitely imagine he could
reach a point of cracking and telling whatever he knows. Especially now that
Casey can no longer blackmail him with info on his affairs.

Re: Padilla, my guess is that Baez is promising to get him in on the big media
career bonanza if he cooperates. That and I think possibly he has the hots for George
and will continue to try to prevent him from being implicated. I once saw a NG
show in which Padilla went on and on about what a great body George has.
It was very odd, especially that he would be so candid there. He had hoped to
buy the property on Suburban, etc. He feels a strong personal connection to George,
at very least. So I’d say his motives are both personal and careerist.

I get the feeling with Cindy that her motives are denial, just refusing to accept
the truth and thinking this will make it go away, and then also that maybe
she has something personally to hide in not wanting the truth out. Like there
is some way she is connected, either for feeling guilty at her dysfunctional
behavior in the family or maybe something worse.

» Valhall said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 10:03:40 }

Mimi – I SO AGREE!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Val, I’ve done a lot of blabbing…what point do you agree with because I value your opinion..

That LP is full of shit and a lone coyote howling at his own nuts???

something like that. I might have paraphrased.

LP vacillates more than any other public-facing player in this whole fiasco. Just how many times has someone drug him off into the shower to revise the script?

And, who is holding the string around his coyote nuts that makes him howl soprano?

He ain’t working for Milkbones.

Ice cream – are you guys on food again? Jeez. I’ve only had time to quickly read this thread and haven’t read one document.

Do you think Leonard should be in the JW etc camp? He is sounding increasingly loony. And not wiley fox. What about all the skeletons in his closet. The law degree, the law school foundation or whatever that was about. The 50G he lost on Casey. There’s more.

Fun reading ahead. Another question. Is this Baez crying incident believable? I have some really caustic thoughts about that. Given what we have now seen of him thinking about how he interviewed/interacted with Casey at the beginning is real scary in an ineffective counsel kind of way. Could Baez be a sacrificial lamb when they switch tactics? Especially with the funding/contractual stuff….

Forgive me. I’ve gone delusional again

Bwa ha ha! This latest Lillian Glass is funny. “On a side note, in my view Cindy should really invest in a bra.”

You go… Lil!

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/george-and-cindy-anthony’s-body-language-shows-trouble-in-their-relationship/

Monica:

Sorry, but you used that ‘denial’ word. In my opinion, there is no way in hell that Cindy was ever in denial. Even her 911 call, which I believe was real emotion, was terror brought on by what her daughter could have possibly done…..Cindy knew someone dead had been in that car. This family NEVER searched for Caylee….only wrote scripts & covered for Casey. Have you already forgotten that Cindy was part of the deal for dollars with ABC? That deal was made not that long after the 911 call. No way could a person in denial be that quick on their feet!

L. Smith – I gotta say the D word really gets my goat. Denial my frozen ice cream ass.

http://www.wftv.com/video/22922443/index.html

Schaeffer talks about the timing of things. Equisearch coming to Orlando and pushed “someone” into making a move. Eqisearch said, along with other areas, they were going to specifically search the area on Suburban Drive where there had been too much flooding before. Again, they found too much water for a proper search, searched other areas and then left Orlando. Tim Miller said he was GOING TO COME BACK when the water was dried up and when he was finished in North Carolina on another case. I remember than very well at the time. He was coming back.
“Somebody” knew they would find Caylee as soon as he said that and sent D. Casey to the woods first. All that business of banging around with a stick…poking holes in the bags and farting around near the abandoned house…that was just for show. He couldn’t just film getting out of his car and walking straight to the body. (I now think he did find the body.) Explains Cindy’s face and body melting into the floor during her “little cameo” with George doing the talking for a change.) Not because she didn’t know Caylee was dead but just because she didn’t know, for a fact, that Caylee was a stone’s throw from her own bedroom window. What a fine kettle of fish that was and must have been a bit shocking. Suspecting she is “close” and knowing for a fact are two different things. BUT, the show must go on and it did.
Short daisy chain:
Casey-Cindy-D. Case~~~~or~~~~Casey-Baez-Cindy-D. Casey.

Jennyb:

I hope that I wasn’t rude but I get so upset when someone indicates that the Anthonys could have been in denial. They knew Caylee was dead and that Casey did it. Did we ever hear them plead for Caylee’s safe return….NO! Did they take any of their donations or how about their big fat paycheck from ABC & offer a reward for Caylee’s safe return….NO! Did they thank Roy Kronk for finding their grandchild…..NO! How about after Caylee was found & the Anthonys never begged the public to help find the person that murdered her…..that’s a big one in my book!

On a lighter note, thanks for letting us know that Dr. Glass had a blog on Cindy & George. What in the world is up with these ‘grinning’ people? They are as sick as Casey…..especially Cindy.

Mimi:

I agree with you. Maybe Casey did mark that X on the map at some point after Tim left.

PotatoHead said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 10:03:45 }

No, I didn’t catch that connection…I do now, thanks to you. Can you explain what SODDI is that everyone is talking about.
Val, you coined it so much better, really. I understood (I thought) where he was coming from before…now, learning he talks with Baez…I’m lost. But I agree with Potato that he isn’t working for Milkbones.
He can be brought as a witness and asked very specific questions and let go very quickly off the stand. His testimony is necessary, I suppose, because they have to establish how Casey got home and how his team spoke to Casey and Casey threw him out of “her house,” etc, but otherwise, what he says is mostly speculation and won’t be of value or allowed in court.

LS: I mean “denial” in the sense that Cindy’s mind works a lot the same way Casey’s does.
Subjective reality rules. Everything is whatever you think it is and if you believe that
long enough then this should make it so. Both Cindy and Casey seem to innately
believe that the facts can’t ultimately stick unless they give them their approval.
So they refuse to and continue to insist on their own reality. It’s called delusion.
Cindy would say that she only sold the licensing rights to ABC in order to get more
public awareness going for Caylee who was not really dead.

Mimi said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 12:03:39 }

“Can you explain what SODDI is that everyone is talking about.”
——————————————————

SODDI = Some Other Dude Did It

This is a commonly used catchall phrase for criminal cases.

For those die hard Anthony case followers who prefer to be more precise: In JB’s defense strategy parlance SODDI is often interchangeable with SONDI, SOMRDI, SOADI or SODPADBTWNCITTATTY.

SONDI = Some Other Nanny Did It
SOMRDI = Some Other Meter Reader Did It
SOADI = Some Other Anthony Did It
SODPADBTWNCITTATTY = Some Other Dude Put A Dead Body That Was Not Caylee In The Trunk At The Tow Yard

Please note that there is no known acronym in use that is associated with the prosecution’s strategy.

Well, they DID spend money on those little bears (imported from the Orient at great expense.) Then, used those little bears to go around spreading their propaganda and foundation name far and wide. Monica, I can see your point about using the word denial that way…Cindy certainly denies the fact that anyone else has a brain and will see what she has done and continues to do. (The hand holding and smiling after court was the biggest joke yet. Well, no, never mind. It’s hard to rate the intensity of the jokes they’ve tried to pull so far.) But, even a very young teenager, knowing the bare facts, would not buy that phony display of affection.
I do understand people jumping to attention at the word “denial,” too. When I read your words and before you clarified, my first thought was….
“Oh, God,…this person hasn’t been following this case closely, I guess. Most everyone got over the denial-grieving grandma and Jo Jo stage a long time ago.”
It was hard not to, when you observed what they did rather than what they said for the cameras.
That denial word is bound to elicit a negative response from most bloggers, for sure, at this point. It was so overused early on and it was Cindy’s first line of defense…just more manipulation on her part and she schooled George in it and it was quite successful, in many blog circles, for a very long time. Then, it just became impossible to believe.
Now, I see that you were not fooled, either, and used the word in a different way. I have Cindy and George and pretend denial forever in my mind as one!
It’s 1:45am here…night everyone.

FRG re Spector/LKB the 2nd time around sorry but I don’t know. I completely missed the second trial until the jury was deliberating.

Well thanks for that vote for my credibility, Mimi. At first I really did give G+C every
benefit of the doubt because there has to be a margin of understanding the extreme
grief at their loss and that being human, they were going to react irrationally.
But when you keep seeing the manipulation and willingness to throw anyone at all
under the bus to save their murderer daughter and the inexplicable way they can
just accept what Casey did, it all starts to unravel. Even the money, at first I tried to
be understanding thinking that they may have no other income again. Who’s going to
hire either of them? But when they took the cruise and George got a hydroplane and
diamond earrings, etc. it was clear where they were coming from. There’s something
going on with this entire family where they just don’t seem to grasp on any level
the gravity of reality. I don’t think any of them yet understand what’s at stake now.

..i don’t think cindy was ever “in denial”.

*********Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may use:

simple denial – deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether .
minimisation – admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalisation), or
projection – admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility. ********

……from the moment they picked up the car–which cindy beleived should have been in jacksonville—then, they smell decomp—-THEN, find kc, withOUT caylee—

..cindy’s mind was undoubtedly reeling with possibilities.

..she didn’t go into “denial”–she knew that SOMETHING had happened–and went into “cover up” mode–until SHE could figure out what it was—and then take CHARGE of it/make it go away.

..but—–karma came calling:
.. we have her yelling at kc in the car at the 1st police station, with kc asking “for one more day”.
..cindy then loses it on the 911 call , with her “….a dead body in the damn car” comment.
..followed by,cindy asking kc to speak with the 911 operator—-kc says loud and clear that she has no reason to talk to them.

..cindy has never been “in denial”—she’s been in “save-the-anthony-family-image” AKA “save her OWN image, primarily.”

..it will definitely be interesting at trial—when cindy testifies—she was walking hand in hand with george at the last hearing—–( putting up the public front).

..at trial—even the civil trial this summer-will they still be “united” ?

..or—giving her total lack of so much as even looking at her parents at the last hearing——will cindy and george—compliments of bus driver kc—be completely run over by the defense bus ?

» PotatoHead said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 12:03:31 }

SODPADBTWNCITTATTY = Some Other Dude Put A Dead Body That Was Not Caylee In The Trunk At The Tow Yard

……………good stuff, on the expanded SODDI theory..

..just to show that i AM paying attention, wouldn’t it be :
SODTWM-BIHDPIITLTISI-PCDBIIAIGTTTY ?

..( some other dude, that wasn’t me, ( because, it had dead pizza in it, the last time i saw it, ) put caylee’s dead body in it, after it got to the tow yard?

I don’t think G+C spend too much – or any – time at all pondering the reality of
Casey killing Caylee. I think it’s too overwhelming and something they are not
prepared to integrate into conscious reality. It’s a big Pandora’s box they have
buried in their pet cemetary along with their dead dogs who were also possibly
killed by Casey. I do think that the time will eventually come where they will
have to deal with graphic reality – probably long after the trial – and then they
will need professional help. At this point I don’t think either one has the tools
to cope with and handle it. So they don’t. They just keep busy and deal only
on a superficial level. The danger is too great of either one totally snapping.

One other comment re: beloved Joy. She mentions in this new interview that
she actually took her very young children on their own search for the body,
all along believing someone was trying to hunt them down to kill them if they
continued the search. I’m baffled that CYS hasn’t stepped in yet. Her kids are
not safe in their parents’ custody.

I smell a very active obstruction investigation and a possible fraud investigation coming G & C’s way RE the Tinelli and Earnest interviews as well as the thousands of widow dollars give to George from the investagative supplement 1. I also smell another Baez bruhaha over the falsified TES form RE J Jordon/L Buchanan.
Poor Joy she is just nuts!!! I have screen shots from her in chat saying LP planted the body, now she works for/with LP and it was Kronk???? If you see at the bottom of the supplemental report it says status arrested… wonder if the nutterbutter ended up in jail instead of the looney bin after the tales she sold.
My favorite quote from today:
JA: Alright now uhm, did she ever tell you , or George, either one of them every tell
you what kind of pizza resembles the smell of a dead body?

I will never look at a Pepperoi Pizza quite the same way again.

I think I know what happened to JW, she drank the water at the A’s house. Look what the water has done to CA&GA&KC, maybe thats why the two dogs died they refused to drink the water. I believe Yim Miller IMO when you invest efforts for the common wealth you learn alot. He has never seen a family like this before, him and millions of us. What type of movie can anybody make out of this????????????

There isn’t anything right about these people, and would networks really want to exploit Caylee to this dysfunction and heartless bunch? and if so WHY? I memorize CAylee in one scene her and her great papa, someone truly appreciating her being in the same room. How come there aren’t videos like that of Caylee with CA & GA & KC & LA? They were told by Mrs. Plesea that his memory was here and then it isn’t I hope his memory of those moments remain with him somehow.

And, if CA watches this video I hope she see’s how serious Caylee is, she shows love and compassion and she snuggles real close. I would want the person dead for taking that away from me forever. I hope CA realizes that that last day with Caylee was not about her, she is not worthy of having Caylee’s hugs and songs. I wonder if in the past couple of years she asked herself why her grand-daughter? and why anyone’s child? She should have made KC accountable, criminals get thrills about what they can get away with and $indy fed that desire by never reporting her spawn for other criminal activity, after all when you allow them to get away with grand theft, what else is left for a criminal to do? MURDER!

On the subject of denial..

I believed they were in denial for the first week or so, after the story broke, but then Cindy comes out with how her daughter is MOTY and everyone will owe her an apology, then I knew it wasn’t denial.

How could she know her daughter failed to report her child missing, never had a job for two years and still say something like that?

Those two facts would have shut my mouth. Never would I have tried to defend this person, daughter or not.

» jennyb said: { Mar 23, 2010 – 09:03:51 }

I would pay cold hard cash to see that crying/hyperventilating scene with Casey and Baez. I’d even wear 3-D glasses to see that spectacle.

Very funny, wear your tin foil hat too, nice look all around.

I never found L Padilla completely credible, starting with his reasons or motives for getting involved. And then doing his own memorial for Caylee was in bad taste to say the least. If he wants to be a defense witness, he can line up behind Joy Wray. I always thought whatever he had to say would be problematic; Mr quadruple hearsay and ridiculous theorist.

WSH

Don’t forget the ever believable “daisy chain’ theory.

Nine days he was here, wasn’t allowed in the house but here we are two years later and he says he knows what’s going on in the house.

» T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 07:03:50 }

Plus wasn’t he still insisting that Lee was Caylee’s father even after the DNA results came back, one of his many illustrious harping points?

Maybe Lp needs to line his hat with foil?

Can’t hurt.

» T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 07:03:14 }

Maybe Lp needs to line his hat with foil?

Can’t hurt.

heh-heh

I have a question about some of the evidence. What are the pictures of after Melissa Earnst’s interview? On page 13059-13076

http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/documents/032310-anthony2.pdf..

When I click that link, it says file not found. It may be my computer.

WSH

There’s plenty of room under that hat too!

From reading around the blogs, the interview of TM has reignited the disdain for Cindy.

Not only did she do nothing to find her grandchild, she interfered with anyone who tried. She has to be the most despised person in Orlando, including her daughter.

Her daughter is a defective unit, I think most people have written her off but to see the rest of the family in action is stunning.

sorry WSH

I believe it is from the trunk of the car but i was just checking. When I looked at WS, I figured out my question. Sorry!!!! It seems to be a lighted pic of the trunk. The pic shocked me cuz I could actually see this time what looked like the outline of a child….makes me cry.. Since this started, I have looked at my 2 1/2 year ol daughter in a new light… I give her extra hugs and thank God everyday that I have her and my other 2 boys. Thank you for answering me WSH and I hope you all have a great day

» T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 07:03:33 }

I don’t believe for one minute that Casey would have honestly designated where she left Caylee. I don’t think Cindy wanted TES involved to begin with.

It had to have been like a powder keg, in that house, just waiting for a spark. Kaboom when T Miller mentioned a dead child.

» kari said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 07:03:44 }

sorry WSH

You don’t need to apologize. I did see that photo. It still doesn’t appear as a body outline to me, at least that black & white version. I mean it could be, but I don’t feel certain.

The document doc dump was suppose to have pictures and all – are the only thing we can see on WFTV?
Thanks!

WSH

I don’t think she would have marked the spot either, but I just can’t imagine Cindy obstructing the search.

Wait…what am I saying?! Of course i can imagine Cindy obstructing!

Going for fresh foil.

» T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 08:03:38 }

Losing the frequency, eh?

LOL The connection isn’t quite clear!

» Phantom Angel said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 08:03:12 }

Not sure. Not all websites work on one browser for me. I have to switch off and on. If you go to WS, they probably have all the individual links posted.

Eating ice cream while wearing tin foil pants slows my reading comprehension and I’ve had to thaw out this a.m.

Denial: #$%^! Cindy’s use of “the damn car” expresses her anger at Casey at the time. She KNOWS screw-up Casey has done something and she’s pissed as hell b/c she can’t get answers out of her. That is Cindy’s motivation for even dialing 911 – to pressure/intimidate Casey into giving answers. Little does Cindy realize the gravity of the situation until Casey says I haven’t seen her for 31 days…THEN Cindy’s bulb lights up and she’s a quick study. However, if you review the emails between Cindy’s mother and aunt in late June early July, you will see that Cindy has been expressing a lot of negative thoughts, feelings toward Casey. No, we don’t know exactly what she said to her mother, but it is enough for Shirley to really fret about and gives us a look into Cindy’s worries at the time.

LP: My take on this 10 gallon self-described “media whore” is just another loon will not let go of his quest for national recognition. I see him as being in the same vessel as Jungle Jane (as someone up-thread so aptly nick named Joy to the World).

Hi, Valhall.

I just got an error after clicking on what I believed to be the most recent comment for this thread. I was not ‘taken’ to that comment, however. Instead, I scrolled down to where the comment should have appeared and saw the following error message (computer time 10:54am Eastern).

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WSH said: { Mar 17, 2010 – 09:03:58 }
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The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, support@supportwebsite.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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“…Oh, God,…this person hasn’t been following this case closely, I guess. Most everyone got over the denial-grieving grandma and Jo Jo stage a long time ago.”

It was hard not to, when you observed what they did rather than what they said for the cameras.
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One person still calling the A’s in denial is Jane Veloz-Mitchell in the last couple of days. Speaking of G and C: “You just gotta FEEL for these people. EVERYTHING is hitting them all at ONCE….the house foreclosure, the mistress allegations, and now this document relaease…blah, blah and blah.” And her “news” sources agreed with her. One being Jean Casarez. I guess they are keeping all their options open for future interviews. Or they are nervous about being sued.

Speaking of fear of lawsuits, Nancy Grace interviwed Kathy Belich the other eve and when Kathy was reporting what Tim Miller said about the MOTY X marking a spot on a map, and Cindy cussing out TM and throwing him out of her house, Nancy put on her brakes with a screech “WAIT A MINUTE!”

i thought she was going to stop Belich with her usual, “We have to feel for George and Cindy…blah, blah…” but, of all surprising things, she let Kathy finish her story about Tim Miller’s remarks. NG even made her repeat a couple of things for emphasis.

I was shocked. Wonder if NG is over her fear of being sued. She usually doesn’t allow any trash/truth talking about Mom and Pops Anthony since they were “wrapped in grief and denial” and didn’t know which end was up. She always used to put on Padilla’s brakes for him if he veered into Cindy-bashing territory. That’s not a worry anymore, evidently. LP looks to have come over on the dark side.

I consider Cindy to be manager of the dark side. Her daughter, of course, is CEO.

Maura said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 09:03:04 }
I consider Cindy to be manager of the dark side. Her daughter, of course, is CEO.

Yes of course and everyone else are fingers….remind me again…who was the middle finger?! LOL

T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 10:03:38 }
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Maura said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 09:03:04 }
I consider Cindy to be manager of the dark side. Her daughter, of course, is CEO.
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Yes of course and everyone else are fingers….remind me again…who was the middle finger?! LOL
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OMG, that was so funny!! LOL

er, yah, that habit of enumerating family members on the fingers of one hand is strangely distrubing to me even tho’ I can’t quite express it clearly, it is another Anthony Family Anomaly.

*disturbing even. ok, now I’ve got lawyers calling my name, i’m going to have to satisfy myself with reading when I can for the rest of the day unless they all jump ship at once.

WSH, tell me the truth. Does this tin-foil hat make my ass look big?

L. Smith, you weren’t rude at all.

We’re not going to sit here and listen to a lot of bunk about denial and not push back with the facts we know.

I don’t see any reason to tippy-toe around a blatant falsehood. You did good.

jennyb said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 10:03:08 }

WSH, tell me the truth. Does this tin-foil hat make my ass look big?

FREAKIN’ HILARIOUS!

jennyb said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 10:03:08 }

No, but you might want to have a tailor work on the tin foil pants.

» PotatoHead said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 10:03:10 }

jennyb said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 10:03:08 }

No, but you might want to have a tailor work on the tin foil pants.

Wow, equally hilarious. You guys are on a roll.

lol… tough crowd!

I used to think I’d be satisfied with LWOP for Casey. That is no longer true.

I don’t think it will truly feel as if justice has been served until Cindy and George both are charged with multiple felony offenses, convicted and locked away until their tats fade away or are covered up with the latest in Big House art.

Can you imagine being Cindy’s cell mate? heh.

PH –

There will be no joy in Mudville if each and every one of those MONSTERS are not held to account. Stranger travesties of justice have occurred though so I’m bracing myself for the eventuality that they get off scott free.

jennyb said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 11:03:10 }

Don’t torture yourself that way, Jen. Too much evidence against them has mounted. It hasn’t been just about Casey in a long time now. This has been a group effort all the way along. You can hear ‘Foul’ being cried in the hallowed halls of Florida’s SA offices!

“Fraud!” cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered fraud;
But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed.
They saw her face grow stern and cold, they saw her muscles strain,
And they knew that Casey wouldn’t let that ball go by again.

The sneer is gone from Casey’s lip, her teeth are clenched in hate;
She pounds with cruel violence her bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey’s blow.

Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is MUCH joy in Mudville – mighty Casey has struck out.

Just needed a little rewrite.

Awesome. Just when I needed a good re-write jockey. Thanks hun.

I agree Jenny, every one of them need to be held accountable for the obstruction they engaged in. Outright lies and misleading LE costing precious time and resources.

I remember an interview Cindy had with LE where Melich was near begging her to STOP giving false info to the media. She immediately went into poor me mode, I haven’t eaten, i haven’t slept blah blah blah! makes me sick!

I guess I better go get that old pizza out of my fridge before it smells like a dead body in the damn kithen!

T2M – Yes and as we know, they did everything in their power to ensure the baby would never be found. I thank God every day for Roy Kronk.

I can just see the A’s faces the day they heard the news… Curses! Foiled again! Evil people. The worst of the worst.

Jenny

have you heard whether the A’s ever thanked Roy? I haven’t, the only thing I saw was them sending Brad Conway out to say they didn’t want him drug through the mud,

I wanted to scream… “watch out for that bus Roy!” And sure enough, the next day the defense threw him under it by saying he should be investigated.

They never thanked all the people who crawled on hands and knees to collect as much of their grandbaby as they could. But they were busy i guess, I here the Ritz is very nice.

s’cuze me – i think you’ll need a tinker to work on your tin foil pants, not a tailor…just sayin’

T2 – They never thanked anyone. Quel surprise.

Chat, tee hee. Tinker, tailor, soldier, sailor… whatever it takes. I’m bustin’ out at the seams here.

I like how the detective speaks to Tinelli, and asks her what she would tell someone who wanted to volunteer to look for Caylee and initially she was stumped. He said (paraphrase), you know “kid finders”, it’s in the name, you would assume that they would be looking for kids. Essentially she tells the detectives that she told volunteers “if you see Caylee, call the hotline,etc”. All the while, they are selling Tee shirts and trinkets and have a bucket for cash donations… as money for what? No one was actually physically searching for Caylee. Dom Casey was the only one on that task. Dom Casey didn’t bother to follow up on a lead Tinelli had. This is very interesting. They collected volunteer names and phone numbers, but ostensibly no one called them. George only wanted the list after the remains were found to “thank people”. Supposedly, he hadn’t done that.

Oh, and interesting note about Tinelli posted by Thinker on BOC :

Linda Tinelli is listed as a Director of Kid Finder Network as of the May 4, 2009 Annual Report – she may have become a Director anytime from July 7, 2008 Annual Report to May 4, 2009.
But …… Linda Tinelli gave her Interview to Corp. Edwards and Sgt Allen on Dec. 14, 2009 ….. so, Linda was already a DIRECTOR of KID FINDERS when LE talked to her ….. but she never stated this relationship in her interview with LE! Why would she not reveal her connection to KF???? Linda also casually mentions another “volunteer”, Karen Groover, who is also a DIRECTOR of KID FINDERS, but Linda does not tell LE that they are both affiliated with KF Dennis & Sherri Milstead!

She also mentioned some nonsense about putting up posters. This story was national news. So the kid finders volunteers had nothing to do with finding kids. And TES was not welcomed at their tent.

WSH

I found that interesting too, no answer for what they would tell people when they asked what they could do, it never crossed their minds it seems , just stand at a table and don’t forget to put the pickle jar out!

I spoke to someone who called Cindy at the start of this case, she asked where she should look, Cindy said, oh hun don’t bother to look in the woods, just do what I do, call and email people.

I’m like…what? just go through the phone book? Hello mr. smith? Have you seen Caylee?

I am trying to keep up, has there been any discussion about the letters that CSY wrote to another inmate- was the state able to request another delay in releasing the evidence to the defense? Did Judge S grant the extension? Thanks!

Lmo4caylee

No, the State didn’t need an extension, the letters have gone to the defense, we should see them soon.

T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 01:03:50 }

Is kid finders still in business?

Oh, and the irony of the kidfinder’s boat, and the fact that Caylee was in a somewhat watery grave, couple with Cindy’s attitude toward T Miller looking for remains. I guess it is okay to look for other people’s children submerged in water.

couple with= coupled with

B/t the Trust document and the obvious (buckets) request for cash donations, it appears that the A’s were gearing up for the expense of a funeral in the beginning. Yes, printing flyers and tee shirts would run to a few hundred but I understood the shirts were [being sold for "cost"] loosely described as a donation. I’ve thought about search setups that I’ve ever encountered personally and I do not recall any sort of the type of Quest for Cash like the A’s initiated. Also, I don’t recall such specific language in a Trust doc. making direct reference to “… funeral expenses if necessary …”

I was researching George’s family and came across some old blogs in the Cincinatti Tribune from early August 2008, people were expressing unpleasant thoughts about the A’s then and money and covering up for Casey were 2 big points.

Also what of the duct tape? Tinelli can’t tell what duct tape looks like? She was taping table clothes down. She is shown a photo of one of the tables and still can’t remember the tape? I would at least be able to recall it kind of looked like that. There is a difference in the width of electrical tape vs duct tape.

In contrast, the Haleigh Cummings family is really destitute and I wonder how much legitimate help they’re received via donations? Grandma Teresa works, but I don’t think anyone else does/did. How are those folks managing, I wonder.

WSH

I emailed Cindy one day, asked her to take the boat out to retrieve the body of a teenager who had drowned and his family were staying right there at the lake, couldn’t leave until his body was recovered.

She effin blased me for asking, asked what have I ever done to help anyone, of course she never said what *she* had done.

I told her I didn’t raise a lying, thieving, whoring baby killer, I asked if that counted! LOl

She lost it! I wish I hadn’t accidentally deleted those emails. They where hoot.

Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 01:03:01 }

B/t the Trust document and the obvious (buckets) request for cash donations, it appears that the A’s were gearing up for the expense of a funeral in the beginning.

Why would they do that if they insisted she was alive? AND Nearly anyone would have donated for Caylee’s funeral , only it would have gone to the funeral home. Chances are a funeral home would have done it gratis, based on the extensive and good press they would receive.

Chat

Most of them are in jail sooo…lol

» T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 01:03:20 }

Was that a snarky email you sent her at first, or a sincere request for help?

One thing that deeply concerns me and I’ve never felt able to discuss it. Cindy stated George became despondent while they were selecting jewelry for Caylee to wear at the funeral/memorial. What??? I still cannot let myself think about that too deeply. Was she “Casey-B-S’ing” or could she have been serious about that. AND where was this jewelry? Pieces they had in the family/house OR at a store? Was it creamated, too? What??? If you lose your mind because someone referes to Caylee’s remains, how can you consider adorning those same remains in gems and jewels???

Does anyone have any input on that topic?

T2M, yah but poor little Junior needs shoes and milk, I’d say.

» Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 01:03:42 }

People have suspected that since Caylee was cremated, the jewelry was actually a container(s) for her ashes.

Who is Roxy Marshall? Is that an alias for someone we’ve heard of , or another person?

oic. makes much more sense. another Anthony vernacular anomaly. thanks so much.

All I want to say is “HEY MASON!! Having FUN yet??”

and

“Brad….your clients have some serious ‘splainin to do!!”

WSH

No I phrased it very well, I included the story of a little girl near me, 4 years old who had been attacked in her home and asked if Cindy would give her a bear to comfort her.

She said NO on both, I expected as much but wanted to see what excuse she would use. The excuse for the boat was, it isn’t her’s, it belongs to KFN and the bear excuse was that she gives them to firefighters and hospitals.

Here is the message I sent

On Sun May 17 7:58 , xxxxxx sent:

Very near my home in East Orange County a little 4 year old girl was attacked in her home and nearly kidnapped, I would like to make you aware of this so that you can present this child with a bear to calm her fears after this traumatic event,

Also, a 15 year old boy has drowned in Lake Catherine in Orange county and his body has not been found, his family deserves to have the opportunity to give him a proper burial, You of all people know what it’s like to be unable to bury a child and grieve them properly. The SS Caylee could bring this boy home to his family.

I will be watching the news for the good work your foundation does on behalf of the two unfortunate children.

Thank you.

Here is the reply….I DIDN’T DELETE IT!!!

Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 12:38 AM

First of all the SS Caylee Marie is not our boat and has nothing to do with Caylee’s Foundation. The Caylee Bears are for the police and firemen to use to help calm a child that they respond to. How sad is it that some people cannot see past the ignorance that they have in their mind to allow something good come from their heart. What are you doing to help others?

I bet in the beginning that the A;s also received the posters and fliers free from good intentioned companies. Also noted a pc of Henel duct tape on a poster in the new doc dump by the label on it.

I just can’t see the A’s running a foundation to find children.

Anyway i’m Wraying here, going to go and hang from a tree branch and take some pics,

BTW I believe these emails where sent during the time Cindy said her PC was broken.

Snip:
Casey Anthony: ABC News gets drubbing for $200,000 payment
posted by halboedeker on March, 24 2010 2:33 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-abc-news-gets-drubbing-for-200000-payment.html

The bad reviews just keep coming in for ABC News. Critics say the Disney-owned news organization was wrong in August 2008 to pay $200,000 to Casey Anthony and her family for photos and video of toddler Caylee Anthony.

“It doesn’t make them look very family friendly, does it?” said Andrew Tyndall, who analyzes ABC, CBS and NBC evening news in his Tyndall Report. “It’s not just ABC News. It’s the entire corporation.”

alan be careful hanging from trees, you see what happend to Joy right? lol

And I think your right, I think someone donated the fliers, and the shirts were given to them at cost…something like $6 a piece, they charged $10

T2M: OMG!!! Cindy’s evil arrogance and near-satanic personality astound me!
You sent her a completely legitimate request to assist a family and she had the gall to respond like that? Didn’t Georgey brag on TV about “their extreme search and rescue boat” and their desire to help out victims of crime and misfortune??? What a load of BS. I really, really hope you send your Cindy email enchange to Kathi Belich or someone in media. I just want everyone to know just how depraved and disgusting this family is!!

Bless YOU, T2M for actually caring.

WSH said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 01:03:40 }

Is kid finders still in business?

http://www.extremesearchandrescue.com/index.html

Also Available Is Our State of the Art
“SS Caylee Marie”
Search Boat Equipped With Side Scan Sonar,
Search Lights and Radio Equipment.

On Call 24/7 To Assist Law Enforcement.
Owned and Operated by Kid Finders Network, Inc A Non-Profit 501(c)(3) Organization

Shay

That was their chance to at least make it look like they were sincere about helping people, and they let it pass. She could have said, you know that boat belongs to KFN but let me give them a call and see if it’s available…nope. And she couldn’t give a little girl a damn bear???

She’s a hella bitch!

..in the “member guidlines” on the ‘extreme search and rescue/kidfinders site:

( members are encouraged to call them so the sscaylee CAN be used.)

If possible we would ask that you report any drowing victim, from your home based area, not
recovered, to ESRR/KFN’s home office so we may provide assistance to law enforcement or
emergency rescuers if needed to deploy and utilize our rescue and recovery search boat equipped with
side scan sonar and underwater video capabilities.

So, anyone, was the widow to whom George gave thousands, River/Crystal?

OOPS I had that backward, didn’t I? Widow gave George thousands.

sigh

LOL Willow, you had me confused!

I have no idea, she says she gave HIM money not the other way around. Who knows.

“How sad is it that some people cannot see past the ignorance that they have in their mind to allow something good come from their heart. What are you doing to help others?”

WHOA, it does sound a bit harsh. She could have forwarded the contact to kidfinders. Maybe she misread your tone. Still, if she misreads tone of a family missing a child: very damaging. I guess they like firefighters vs police. I’d imagine police come across their share of traumatized kids.

T2M,
I can’t say I’m shocked by Cindy’s response, but I am very saddened to think that someone reached out to a person with certain resources on behalf of those children and were turned down so rudely and with such vehemence. Not even an expression if concern for the children on her part. Not after so many people worked on Caylee’s behalf. What if everyone had responded to her pleas for help in this way? What apathy! I’m sickened. I hope the donors to their so-called foundation will be made aware of what Cindy truly does in regards to other children and families.

I just wanted to add, that I thought your tone was very sincere. Still, witnessing her behavior, she probably thought that you were goading her, or mocking her.

WSH

You may be right about her perception of the email,

Think of it this way, Geo goes off on the lawyer who was adjusting his glasses, says don;t give me the bird, (para) to me this is because that is something he would do so he expects others to do the same.

Same with Cindy, she is incapable of real concern and so is unable to recognize it in others.

She doesn’t strike me as an empath, especially after that note, she is entirely in the wrong line of work. I can’t imagine her as a floor nurse either.

We pretty much came to the same conclusions while our posts criss-crossed.

On the other hand, I do think that Morgan and co were goading the Anthonys.

Kerflunkled if you had seen the Mother of the 15 year old standing by the lake saying, ” It’s dark, i can’t leave him here alone” you would know why that story struck me.

And Cindy couldn’t have cared less.

I gotta respectfully disagree about the goading on the part of Morgan & Co. at depo. WSH. There was a bending over backward to be polite and respectful. If anything, the A’s gave Morgan’s side the opportunity to “kill them with kindness” if you will.

The A’s came in that room with BIG chips on their shoulders and challenged the attorneys at every turn. Their extreme behavior illustrated their fear. They were very scared to give their depositions (and with good reason) and that gnarling behavior was a side effect of their “I won’t do this and you can’t make me attitudes.”

I always felt that the A’s were disconnected from one another as a family unit, but the more I see, the more I feel that they BOTH are disconnected from the real world – no wonder Casey was living a fake life. HOW on God’s green earth can an entire family become this way? Yikes. Addams, Munster, Anthony, Bates, Borden…

» Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 02:03:20 }

You can disagree Chat. I agree that they were INSANE in that depo. But I believe that the case never should have gone forward at this point. However, Casey’s lawyer filed the counter-suit, so I guess it had to? But I don’t necessarily buy that Morgan was sincerely being kind.

T2M and WSH- I am pretty sure in Cindy’s mind she probably thinks people responded to her the same way- they don’t want answers or truth. They only want to hear from anyone who believes Casey is innocent or who has a contribution to make to her defense or their foundation. I get so frustrated with this family- their behavior is just so odd.

Oh, I agree that Mr. Morgan has an agenda that we, the public, aren’t privy to. I speculated a long time ago that there have most likely been some “off the record” multi-agency conferences about the strategy of the prosecution of the defamation suit – we are only seeing the obvious prong on the fork. I am confident that the net is larger than we know. Ya just don’t spit in the face of the law…

It’s still a kick in the pants that they give bears to firefighters but not police. Yessh, can you be any more blatant in your disdain? It should be about the children, not the middleman. But that’s their business.

I am curious about what type of trauma warrants one of these bears, anything outlined?

As for Cindy’s coarse exterior and rude emails, all that comes to my mind is that she had a rowdy group of protesters outside her door and that would be a scary experience for most people. Since she is no shrinking violet, I think that terse, snappy behavior is her way of showing no fear. Heh, heh. We’ll see come Judgment Day.

» Chat Lunatique said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 03:03:44 }

I thought the protesters were idiots, I’m sorry but what exactly were they protesting?
They seemed to be a mob of “strangies” and attention seekers. Ahh, and then they befriended one, well we see where that went.

I hadn’t paid attention to the rules concerning distribution of bears, but it would only make sense that police have more direct contact with traumatized kids than firemen. Maybe it was a case of “I get to pick who gets a bear” – strikes me as how absurd the entire thing is and how desperate their (her) need for attention. Give away a bear and look _____ what? _____ normal, caring, innocent? Well, whatever, I believe it was a very short lived bid for approval. Is the bear campaign inactive now?

re: WSH: … then they befriended one, well we see where that went.

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em???? If you can’t beat ‘em, sc**w ‘em????

Don’t know Chat…On another topic: Is this Roxie Marshall one of the twins? Supposedly some guy Jaimie was arrested for giving a false name to police, and we know that the twins friend was recently arrested for the same thing. George says not to believe Roxie, but never said what not to believe to Tinilli… Weird, huh?

Seems as tho’ that name pops up in the J Wray transcripts. I read them sooo fast, tho’ (you know whilst eating ice cream with my tin foil pants on).

I’m beginning to develop a theory that some of these fruit loops that are beginning to surface might be part of a circle of George’s friends…can’t expand on that because I have nothing real to go on except George’s strange knowledge of these nuts. But in the corners of my mind ……

T2M,

It’s seems to me that no matter what she perceived your email to be or what “tone” she thought you were using, that if she was 1/2 the type of person she wished to portray herself as or 1/2 as concerned about children as she claims to be, she would’ve followed up on your information independently. Assessed what she could do. It’s terrible that she went on the defensive and assumed you were doing nothing.

That mother…I’m in tears. She sounds like how I feel about my boys. Dear God, if something happened to one of them… I couldn’t bear it either.

» T2M said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 02:03:42 }

That simple statement hit me hard – I know exactly that feeling

and for such incredible pain to be so easily dismissed by Cindy Anthony clearly tells me she never felt it or anything close to it

ever

Yeah Cindy could easily have checked on those reports of those two kids it ws on the local news.

I was so shocked she would give a 4 year old rape victim a bear, I thought that it being such a youg girl it would put her mind of her own daughter and her granddaughter, it did make me think of my daughters and how awful it would be for them to be so brutally attacked and in their own home.

That woman is heartless, I don’t think she insists her daughter is innocent because she cares about her….it has more to do with her own image.

I think that you may need to keep in mind that maybe 50 emails before T2M’s WERE people mocking her and very angry, and she probably responded to every last one. Maybe she was just expecting to be ridiculed again. I’m not giving a pass, but as an empath, I try to see another side.

Melissa Earnest has a blog and she says she had to file a police report because Cindy wouldn’t stop contacting her after she( melissa) asked her to, here is the link.

http://thewholetruthalways.wordpress.com/

..on the other hand, if anyone knew what the SScaylee was to be used for, it would be cindy. she is IN with extreme search/kidfinders after all.

http://www.extremesearchandrescue.com/index.html

..you’d think she would have be Thrilled to have the boat used, and get some good press because of it.

Ellejay

I thought, you know they are receiving donations all the time, running their mouths about the foundation so why not make the most of it….they can get the good publicity and someone will benefit from it, ( the families of these kids).

I was a little surprised they did use that opportunity to their advantage.

I’m donning my flame-proof suit even as I type this, and let me say right up front I’m no fan of the Anthonys or their behavior, but I don’t think they’ll ‘get off scott free’ no matter what happens after the trail. Their lives have been ruined, partly because of their own actions, but partly because of things totally out of their control. They’re unemployable, they’re social outcasts, ideally they’ll face legal consequences, but worse than anything we can do to them is the moment when they’re out of the spotlight and they’re left with the reality of a dead granddaughter. If there is justice, they’ll have a daughter in prison for life, how ever long or short that ‘life’ ends up being.

Right now they can put all of their thoughts and energy into ‘saving’ Casey, but the day will come when they’re left with nothing. I know it’s popular opinion that they ‘never loved Caylee’, but I don’t believe that. I think they’ve wrongly put her aside, but I think she’s going to be all they can think of when they no longer have Casey’s problems to think of.

I wouldn’t want to be them, and I wouldn’t call that ‘getting off scott free’.

What is George’s parent’s name – anyone know?

PonderingWhy said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 04:03:22 }

..i don’t think there’s any doubt that they loved caylee. that’s evident in the fact that even the neighbours cooroborrate that, they were the ones “showing her off”, strolling her around the neighbourhood, they spolied her completely with clothes, the playhouse,sandbox, the princess bedroom…cindy wantd to spend he vacation week with her…( and on and on and on..)

..what i’ve seen , is more of, IF they ever loved caylee—they would be on her side, and not putting out all of the ( MOTY ) style “stories about kc.

..they surely did love caylee though ——-but their allegiance is now all on ( all they have left) –kc.

» Phantom Angel said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 05:03:43 }

What is George’s parent’s name – anyone know?
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Lee and Ruth

PonderingWhy said: { Mar 24, 2010 – 04:03:22 }

I wouldn’t want to be them, and I wouldn’t call that ‘getting off scott free’.

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I agree.

Most of the negative reaction toward the Anthony’s & the public shunning & viewing them as lepers IS THEIR OWN DOING. And I can’t wait for the day when this is all over with & they are out of the public’s view & all they have left are their, lies & all the ways they failed Caylee & helped Casey to murder her, then cover it up. I

take no joy in their situation but they are bad people with black cold hearts who never loved Caylee. Not in the way normal peole kdo, she was used as a pawn in their dysfunctional home, a power struggle ensued & Caylee lost. Look at photos of Caylee’s remains on suburban Dr. Bones strewn about while they dined at the Ritz Marriot on crab puffs & steak . who does this, that’s how much they love caylee.

Closing this thread and starting a new one.