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		<title>By: Nanaof4</title>
		<link>http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/10/the-two-edged-sword-of-hearsay/#comment-15017</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanaof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSH&#039;s post about the danger threat angle above, got me to thinking (and that is dangerous).  Has anyone watched the movies that Casey and TL rented on June 16th?  I am just curious as to the content.  I hard that one was about a kidnapped victim being placed in a trunk.  I wondered if the &quot;don&#039;t call police or we will kill them&quot; angle was a part of the movie.  It seems that Casey lacked originality when spinning her lies.  SHe had to have recent experiences to draw from.  Just a thought, not that it really adds anything to trial, but with all the &quot;half-truths&quot; (as Cindy calls them) stacked together, one could get a very clear picture of how Casey spins real events in to make up her web of lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSH&#8217;s post about the danger threat angle above, got me to thinking (and that is dangerous).  Has anyone watched the movies that Casey and TL rented on June 16th?  I am just curious as to the content.  I hard that one was about a kidnapped victim being placed in a trunk.  I wondered if the &#8220;don&#8217;t call police or we will kill them&#8221; angle was a part of the movie.  It seems that Casey lacked originality when spinning her lies.  SHe had to have recent experiences to draw from.  Just a thought, not that it really adds anything to trial, but with all the &#8220;half-truths&#8221; (as Cindy calls them) stacked together, one could get a very clear picture of how Casey spins real events in to make up her web of lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanaof4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanaof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSH wrote: &quot;IF she wanted to get them there sooner, or if THERE WAS immediate danger, wouldn’t that have been something Casey would express at that point? Mom, don’t call, our lives are in danger! When the operator asks “why are you calling now, ….?” Casey did not say because I thought that would put myself, my family and/or my daughter in danger.&quot;

Good point WSH.  Why didn&#039;t Casey express her fears about someone else out there?  Once the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, that would have been the time to tell LE, family about the threat.  Of course, we all know the Anthony&#039;s hadn&#039;t thought the danger/protection excuse up yet. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSH wrote: &#8220;IF she wanted to get them there sooner, or if THERE WAS immediate danger, wouldn’t that have been something Casey would express at that point? Mom, don’t call, our lives are in danger! When the operator asks “why are you calling now, ….?” Casey did not say because I thought that would put myself, my family and/or my daughter in danger.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point WSH.  Why didn&#8217;t Casey express her fears about someone else out there?  Once the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, that would have been the time to tell LE, family about the threat.  Of course, we all know the Anthony&#8217;s hadn&#8217;t thought the danger/protection excuse up yet. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: WSH</title>
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		<dc:creator>WSH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>» Mrs C Hop  said: { Mar 12, 2010 - 11:03:28 }n my opinion the defense is going to say yeah she SAID that because she was just sooooo scared of the Actual kidnapper (whoever it will be by that time)&quot;

Hey Chop

But then that flies against other things that they have thrown out:

Cindy &quot;was calm&quot; when dialing 911, she only said the car &quot;smells&quot; like a dead body because police don&#039;t routinely come out for kidnapped children ( insert sarcasm here). IF she wanted to get them there sooner, or if THERE WAS immediate danger, wouldn&#039;t that have been something Casey would express at that point? Mom, don&#039;t call, our lives are in danger!  When the operator asks &quot;why are you calling now, ....?&quot;  Casey did not say because I thought that would put myself, my family and/or my daughter in danger. 

How can you reconcile all of that later? And how do you bring up that she was scared at all if she doesn&#039;t take the stand, other than in opening and closing statements? There was only one person that Casey told she was being watched and that was Annie. But is Annie&#039;s statement hearsay if Casey doesn&#039;t take the stand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>» Mrs C Hop  said: { Mar 12, 2010 &#8211; 11:03:28 }n my opinion the defense is going to say yeah she SAID that because she was just sooooo scared of the Actual kidnapper (whoever it will be by that time)&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey Chop</p>
<p>But then that flies against other things that they have thrown out:</p>
<p>Cindy &#8220;was calm&#8221; when dialing 911, she only said the car &#8220;smells&#8221; like a dead body because police don&#8217;t routinely come out for kidnapped children ( insert sarcasm here). IF she wanted to get them there sooner, or if THERE WAS immediate danger, wouldn&#8217;t that have been something Casey would express at that point? Mom, don&#8217;t call, our lives are in danger!  When the operator asks &#8220;why are you calling now, &#8230;.?&#8221;  Casey did not say because I thought that would put myself, my family and/or my daughter in danger. </p>
<p>How can you reconcile all of that later? And how do you bring up that she was scared at all if she doesn&#8217;t take the stand, other than in opening and closing statements? There was only one person that Casey told she was being watched and that was Annie. But is Annie&#8217;s statement hearsay if Casey doesn&#8217;t take the stand?</p>
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		<title>By: DallasForTruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>DallasForTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs. C Hop....Agreed. I apologize if my post read like I didn&#039;t think the Zanny info would get &quot;in&quot; at trial. I was just trying to make the point that anytime any defense witness states that the IMAGINANNY actually exists and is the culprit, the testimony will more than likely be hearsay,  or impeached with the facts that she doesn&#039;t, never has, and never will exist nor did she ever babysit Caylee, nor are there any records (phone or otherwise) of her existence or of anyone ever contacting her or having had contact from her. 

Which leads us to the defense having to come up with the alternate SODDI plan. I&#039;m thinking the jury won&#039;t be buying into that work of fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. C Hop&#8230;.Agreed. I apologize if my post read like I didn&#8217;t think the Zanny info would get &#8220;in&#8221; at trial. I was just trying to make the point that anytime any defense witness states that the IMAGINANNY actually exists and is the culprit, the testimony will more than likely be hearsay,  or impeached with the facts that she doesn&#8217;t, never has, and never will exist nor did she ever babysit Caylee, nor are there any records (phone or otherwise) of her existence or of anyone ever contacting her or having had contact from her. </p>
<p>Which leads us to the defense having to come up with the alternate SODDI plan. I&#8217;m thinking the jury won&#8217;t be buying into that work of fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs C Hop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs C Hop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zanny the nanny is so coming in and is going to be so easily proven she does not and has never existed. In my opinion the defense is going to say yeah she SAID that because she was just sooooo scared of the Actual kidnapper (whoever it will be by that time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zanny the nanny is so coming in and is going to be so easily proven she does not and has never existed. In my opinion the defense is going to say yeah she SAID that because she was just sooooo scared of the Actual kidnapper (whoever it will be by that time)</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs C Hop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs C Hop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What! The Zanny the nanny theory gets introduced by:

The 911 call -&quot;my daughter has finally admitted the babysitter took her&quot;

Casey&#039;s initial statements to the responding officers

Casey&#039;s Written and oral statements to detectives in which she desribes dropping Caylee off at Zanny&#039;s apartment (not)

The MULTIPLE Audio recordings of Casey and detectives where she abosolutely 100% sticks to her Zanny the nanny theory even AFTER being confronted with the truth about her employment, the sawgrass apartment, and all her imaginary friends

Casey&#039;s MULTIPLE texts messages and instant messages where she describes the use of Zanny as her nanny to multiple people.

And I&#039;m sure theres even more..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What! The Zanny the nanny theory gets introduced by:</p>
<p>The 911 call -&#8221;my daughter has finally admitted the babysitter took her&#8221;</p>
<p>Casey&#8217;s initial statements to the responding officers</p>
<p>Casey&#8217;s Written and oral statements to detectives in which she desribes dropping Caylee off at Zanny&#8217;s apartment (not)</p>
<p>The MULTIPLE Audio recordings of Casey and detectives where she abosolutely 100% sticks to her Zanny the nanny theory even AFTER being confronted with the truth about her employment, the sawgrass apartment, and all her imaginary friends</p>
<p>Casey&#8217;s MULTIPLE texts messages and instant messages where she describes the use of Zanny as her nanny to multiple people.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure theres even more..</p>
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		<title>By: DallasForTruth</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nana (and other experts here),

Thanks for the answer. My thinking was:

1.) George &amp; Lee IIRC have stated they hadn&#039;t met Zanny and had never talked to her on the phone. George also stated that when he asked Caylee about Zanny, she didn&#039;t know who Zanny was. 

2.) Cindy has stated that she &quot;had&quot; addresses and phone numbers for Zanny and that Caylee talked about playing with Zanny&#039;s dog. 

3.) Without Casey actually taking the stand at trial (not happening in my opinion), wouldn&#039;t Cindy&#039;s testimony be the only way that &quot;Zanny&quot; the IMAGINANNY could get introduced as a &quot;theory&quot; through her testimony of the above?

4.) If Caylee&#039;s saying she played with Zanny&#039;s dog is &quot;hearsay&quot;, it cannot be introduced. If Cindy can&#039;t produce proof of phone numbers/addresses how does the Zanny theory get introduced at trial? No one can testify (truthfully) that the IMAGINANNY exists, because the IMAGINANNY doesn&#039;t exist. Cindy will have no phone numbers, addresses, or records of ever contacting IMAGINANNY.

So...where does this leave Casey and the Duhfense except up the proverbial creek without the proverbial paddle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nana (and other experts here),</p>
<p>Thanks for the answer. My thinking was:</p>
<p>1.) George &amp; Lee IIRC have stated they hadn&#8217;t met Zanny and had never talked to her on the phone. George also stated that when he asked Caylee about Zanny, she didn&#8217;t know who Zanny was. </p>
<p>2.) Cindy has stated that she &#8220;had&#8221; addresses and phone numbers for Zanny and that Caylee talked about playing with Zanny&#8217;s dog. </p>
<p>3.) Without Casey actually taking the stand at trial (not happening in my opinion), wouldn&#8217;t Cindy&#8217;s testimony be the only way that &#8220;Zanny&#8221; the IMAGINANNY could get introduced as a &#8220;theory&#8221; through her testimony of the above?</p>
<p>4.) If Caylee&#8217;s saying she played with Zanny&#8217;s dog is &#8220;hearsay&#8221;, it cannot be introduced. If Cindy can&#8217;t produce proof of phone numbers/addresses how does the Zanny theory get introduced at trial? No one can testify (truthfully) that the IMAGINANNY exists, because the IMAGINANNY doesn&#8217;t exist. Cindy will have no phone numbers, addresses, or records of ever contacting IMAGINANNY.</p>
<p>So&#8230;where does this leave Casey and the Duhfense except up the proverbial creek without the proverbial paddle?</p>
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		<title>By: Nanaof4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanaof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dallasfortruth:

I would say it was hearsay.  I believe George stated that &quot;Caylee wasn&#039;t at that conversational level.  She didn&#039;t voluntarily talk about things.  He said they had to ask her specific things to get them out of her [paraphrased]&quot;, when asked if Caylee ever discussed Zanny for Zack or any of the people she allegedly spent so much time with.  That was during one of the interviews but can&#039;t remember if it was LE/FBI or Morgan.  So I believe if Cindy wants to push the Zanny issue, other statements can come in to refute her testimony.  

I would not be surprised if prosecutors declare her a hostile witness and then seek to impeach everything she said after the 911 calls.  You can definately hear her voice cracking and the fear when she talks about Caylee being missing.  I don&#039;t think any thing she says about only saying that to get the LE out earlier will fly given the tone and emotion in her voice after Casey admits Caylee is missing.  It could very well be that on that call she puts the 31 days, Diary of Days (response to her Caylee is missing post) and the smell of the car together.  Listen to the 911 again and you can definately hear her voice crack at one point like she is going to break down and cry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dallasfortruth:</p>
<p>I would say it was hearsay.  I believe George stated that &#8220;Caylee wasn&#8217;t at that conversational level.  She didn&#8217;t voluntarily talk about things.  He said they had to ask her specific things to get them out of her [paraphrased]&#8220;, when asked if Caylee ever discussed Zanny for Zack or any of the people she allegedly spent so much time with.  That was during one of the interviews but can&#8217;t remember if it was LE/FBI or Morgan.  So I believe if Cindy wants to push the Zanny issue, other statements can come in to refute her testimony.  </p>
<p>I would not be surprised if prosecutors declare her a hostile witness and then seek to impeach everything she said after the 911 calls.  You can definately hear her voice cracking and the fear when she talks about Caylee being missing.  I don&#8217;t think any thing she says about only saying that to get the LE out earlier will fly given the tone and emotion in her voice after Casey admits Caylee is missing.  It could very well be that on that call she puts the 31 days, Diary of Days (response to her Caylee is missing post) and the smell of the car together.  Listen to the 911 again and you can definately hear her voice crack at one point like she is going to break down and cry.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanaof4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanaof4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy Grace was fooled by the Anthony&#039;s in the beginning.  She openly defended them as grieving grandparents to others who were calling them out on some of the nonsense they were spewing.  Nancy tried to put herself in their shoes without considering they are sociopaths and do not think like normal people.

Nancy didn&#039;t have any trouble attacking Hayleigh Cumming&#039;s mother and she did nothing compared to what the Anthony&#039;s did.

That is when I stopped watching Nancy, and JVM never gets her facts straight.  I have pretty much stopped watching HLN at night all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Grace was fooled by the Anthony&#8217;s in the beginning.  She openly defended them as grieving grandparents to others who were calling them out on some of the nonsense they were spewing.  Nancy tried to put herself in their shoes without considering they are sociopaths and do not think like normal people.</p>
<p>Nancy didn&#8217;t have any trouble attacking Hayleigh Cumming&#8217;s mother and she did nothing compared to what the Anthony&#8217;s did.</p>
<p>That is when I stopped watching Nancy, and JVM never gets her facts straight.  I have pretty much stopped watching HLN at night all together.</p>
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		<title>By: DallasForTruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>DallasForTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time reader, first time posting here. LOVE reading all of the excellent work and comments on the site. Question for the experts here on the hearsay....

Wouldn&#039;t Cindy&#039;s statement of &quot;Caylee always talked about playing with Zanny&#039;s dog&quot; be considered hearsay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time reader, first time posting here. LOVE reading all of the excellent work and comments on the site. Question for the experts here on the hearsay&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t Cindy&#8217;s statement of &#8220;Caylee always talked about playing with Zanny&#8217;s dog&#8221; be considered hearsay?</p>
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