The Google Searches and Cindy’s Judas Moment

Congrats on your first post!!!

Good morning and congratulations!!!!

Nice work JWG – had a feeling you might be our mystery writer!

Congrats on your first post!

Awesomeness. See this is the stuff I get totally lost on and then emails from readers going “you really need help in this area”.

LMAO!

Thank you so much, JWG! Thank you for walking through this in a way that makes us understand what we’re looking at when reviewing the Encase returns. Also, before reading your piece I had not read anything like this about who was using which browser, etc.

This makes two things that were about as clear as mud to me…crystal clear.

I WIN I WIN! I guessed JWG FIRST. Awesome!!! Now I have to read the piece. Back in a few . . . Oh blessed coffee . . .

My hat’s off to you…….FANTASTIC, and INCREDIBLE READ.

Your 1st post here is the best……The Best…..it helped us understand so much
clearer……

I loved it. Give us more, please.

KUDOS to ya….

OHMYGOD just think if we have privy to this. What does the State have??? I am in awe.

Lily gets the Hinky Award!

LOL

Isn’t it the truth, Sanny?

Reading through JWG’s article makes you feel like – well, why didn’t I know this already? Well, it’s because we didn’t have some one to ’splain it to us!

Oh the Judas moment. How apropos . . .

When Judas saw that Jesus was condemned to die he was quite remorseful and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. He informed them that he had sinned and had betrayed innocent blood (Matthew 27:3-4a.)

“‘I have sinned,’ he said, ‘for I have betrayed innocent blood.’ ‘What is that to us?’ they replied. ‘That’s your responsibility.’”

The final outcome was that Judas committed suicide.

While I do not wish the same end for Cindy – I do hope she has remorse someday for how she’s betrayed Caylee (UNDER OATH).

Great piece JWG! I have seen you break some of this down before but the story analogy is genius. Thank you.

JWG – Great post.

If I understand correctly, although the firefox browser history was deleted information is still contained and retrievable from a footprint left from “an unallocated space block” Similar perhaps, If you format your hard drive at the surface level information can still be retrieved by a utility program? Is this only specific to firefox ? Or is it at the operating system level?

It’s also worth noting that according to Cindys work records on March 17th, the day the chloroform searches were made, Cindy was not at home, she was at work!

O My I’m not worthy. With the caliber of Hinky’s here – I’m a mere bit player that offers up a bit of levity (and sometimes a little smackdown) at times. I do absorb every bit of it and I have learned so so much. Maybe I get to clean the chalk board after class?

Admirable work and I thank you – this is the style and quality that is so very helpful to me (and many others, I am sure). Job well done.

I think I am addicted to this site! LOL
Congratulations JWG and thank you for “splain’in” this so a retard (me) can comprehend it.

Lily, your post also brings it home as to the magnitude of betrayal that has been bestowed upon Caylee Marie and her memory. What a bunch of scum sucking bottom feeders the whole lot of them are!

My question now is, if the State knows that Cindy LIED UNDER OATH, what will her punishment be? Will charges be brought against her eventually, or did the SA already give them all a “free pass”?

Thanks again Val for this blog site. I am totally addicted to this site!

Hi Sheldon,

I think what confuses people about file deletion on a computer is that they understandably try to draw an analogy with file cabinets. When you open up a drawer in a file cabinet you see a bunch of hanging folders with documents – the real, physical files. When you want to “delete” one of those files, you pull it out of the hanging folder and physically destroy it.

Not so with computer files. When you are looking at a list of files in a directory, what you are essentially seeing is a pointer to the file, with descriptive information (such as size and creation date), but not the actual file itself. When you click on a file to view it, the operating system takes the pointer and uses it to find the physical location on your hard drive, then grabs the 1’s and 0’s that make up the file to display to you.

When you delete the file – any file (not just Firefox browser history) – the operating system simply erases the pointer. The file is still there, but is now in “unallocated space”, which is simply space for the operating system to create new files. However, the operating system will not necessarily use that recently-made-available space for the next file that is created, so it can persist for quite some time.

In fact, fragments of files can exist for a very long time. Windows XP allocates space in “blocks” of 4098 bytes. A file of 5000 bytes actually takes up two blocks, or 9196 bytes. If I delete the file and create a new one, Windows may use just one of those two blocks, leaving a fragment of the original (deleted) file still out there.

OOPS, I said addicted twice,

And yes, Sheldon, I should have pointed out that Cindy was at work based on time sheets from previously-released discovery, which Cindy said in her deposition she had failed to read.

And Janielane, while legal action could be taken against Cindy for the obvious lie, I think what will happen instead is that the SA will very early in her testimony declare her a hostile witness based on her evasive and outright false answers, and rip her to shreds on the stand. They will show no mercy in waving Caylee’s death in her face.

Was this a simple Tools > internet options > delete browing history ?

Do you think the account was set up to keep browsing history for “x” number of days?
(My internet options are set up to delete history at close.)

From the information you have analyzed, does it appear Casey always deleted her searches?
Thanks

BRAVO!!!! That post is awesome!!!! I actually understand how the searches work now. I use both FireFox and IE for different stuff but never really understood the difference. Just that FF runs faster for online games LOL. TY for explaining this in layman’s terms. The computer forensics makes sense to me now.

jwg, what an interesting read before I’m off to work this morning. I have been so “curious” about the “google searches” & had not read any thing “in depth on them” except the usual, “neck breaking, shovel, etc.” Your article fills in “a huge gap of information” I didn’t have, as a follower of all the news in this case, this is invaluable as to understanding the importance of who made the searches & WHY the Defense, imo, is going to have “a difficult time trying to blame google searches on GA/CA.”

I agree with Shyloh, if we know this, gosh, what does the STATE know? Thanks Val Hal for sharing your blog with a “guest writer,” & thanks for making your site “a quest of the facts & explanations of the evidence” for those of us seeking JUSTICE for Caylee Marie!

First, thanks JWG. I have a better understanding of data stored on computers since Val last posted, you commented, and I needed to have it driven into my skull with a 2X4. (And yes, dense at times!)

I appreciate the patience and ability that you, Val, Maura and Silver have for putting together all of the information in an understandable form for dunces like myself.

The enhancements to stories seem to be the most damaging towards Casey. Calling her “mother of the year”, for example. Why not say she was somewhat troubled, it makes her a little more of a sympathetic character? Now, with that statement where Cindy took responsibility for the “how to make chloroform” searches, and how preposterous it is, it comes across all the more sinister, don’t you think? Unless the state can truly prove that chloroform was used on Caylee, which we have yet to see, Casey’s search could have had a more innocent explanation. She could have had curiosity after seeing Ricardo’s ‘poster’. I know that I have searched for strange things, especially involving this case.

As an aside, what nurse needs to search peroxide and alcohol? These two products have been around forever. Everyone knows that no one should consume them, least of all a child.

Hi SMH,

Given that the searches were over 90 days old, I suspect the Firefox history and cache simply “aged” into unallocated space, although it is possible Casey purposefully deleted them.

If Casey did purposefully delete it, she may have done so just before 5AM the morning of July 16. The computer forensic report indicates that is the last time someone logged into that account, and my money is on Casey – doing so while everyone else slept or were otherwise occupied.

JWG,

Thank you for that mini computer science lesson. I totally understand now.
Records and Pointers.. basic stuff I learned in CS101 class in college but had long since forgotten.

I can’t wait until your next post.

Very nicely done! Bravo! This clears up a lot of confusion and erronious speculation. I have heard some suggest that Casey was visiting the escort sites because she was in the business, or looking to be in that business. This really clarifies! Thank you.

One question – it is likely that there are more computer forensics that have not been released, or do you think this is the whole shooting match?

Thanks also for the urban dictionary link. I was clueless on that one. Maybe someone called her that, or called someone else and she wanted to know what it meant too.

WSH,

As an aside, what nurse needs to search peroxide and alcohol? These two products have been around forever. Everyone knows that no one should consume them, least of all a child.

Excellent point… ahh the power of blogging!

JWG,

How does the Encase program work? You stated that Yuri had CSI Cawn search for the word chloroform. She found that search in the unallocated spaces.

Does that mean the Encase program doesn’t automatically generate a list or a report of all the files deleted activity that has taken place on a computer? One would have to search the unallocated spaces using keyword searches?

I’m curious if perhaps further inspection of the unallocated spaces recently revealed information to Yuri to provide the “information and materials” to the SA, while discoverable, needs further investigation before being released to the defense.
(Something like, foreign drug companies that ship chloroform to the USA, or searches for local defense attorneys, or something really incriminating that I’m just not devious enough to think of..?)

Could there have been more information in those unallocated spaces that were only just recently discovered?

Thanks JWG for all of the many hours you’ve invested in researching the documents and sharing your efforts here, and at WS!

And a shout-out to Muzikman for his efforts too! Rock on dude!

WSH,

I have long suspected that some one DID call her that, or she saw it used on either her own myspace or a friend’s and she looked it up.

Kind of a funny thought to think some one did call her that. lol

» Valhall said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:50 } Kind of a funny thought to think some one did call her that. lol

I know Val!

WSH – I had the same question regarding Ricardo’s poster and what Casey was thinking when she may have seen that. I guess the defense could be that she was worried that Ricardo was going to try to use chloroform on her and she was looking for methods of defense (household weapons, neck breaking) or whatever in order to either defend herself or maybe wondering what else Ricardo may have up his sleeve.

I’ve always had a hard time really connecting household weapons and neck breaking in relation to Casey’s thoughts about Caylee. I mean, she was two years old. There are much easier ways to harm a two year old if that’s what is on your mind. These sound more to me like either self defense or worry about what someone else is capable of doing to her. JMO

Re: Firefox browsing history – there is an option to clear history on exit, so it happens automatically. My guess is she just had this box checked vs going in and deleting history manually.

LOL just clicked the urban dictionary link! LOL. One wonders.

I wonder who she was tight with at that time. It was before the Fusion thing, I think.
There was a pretty graphic pic of her floating around for a while (doing the lollipop thing, if you catch my drift) and also the conversation George and ?Yuri?? had regarding all the graphic pictures that were found on one of the computers that they did not want made public. More “bustdown” shots? Oh my.

As a daily visitor to this blog…I am amazed on a daily basis at the quality of the posts by Val, and the comments by others. But the analytical mind of JWG has kicked this site to an all time level. Thanks for allowing me to read this….it is simply amazing. I sincerely hope that the prosecutors and the Anthony Clan all read these posts.

» lily said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:35 } I’ve always had a hard time really connecting household weapons and neck breaking in relation to Casey’s thoughts about Caylee. I mean, she was two years old. There are much easier ways to harm a two year old if that’s what is on your mind. These sound more to me like either self defense or worry about what someone else is capable of doing to her. JMO

Good points Lily. Maybe there is an urban dictionary definition of neck breaking too? Will look.

But if the searches for escort services were done using the Casey account, which was used by George and Cindy, wouldn’t it be either George or Cindy doing those searches?

Lily

There is “breaking necks”, but no “neck breaking” in the urban dictionary.

» Valhall said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:50 }

I have long suspected that some one DID call her that, or she saw it used on either her own myspace or a friend’s and she looked it up.

Kind of a funny thought to think some one did call her that. lol

I bet so! The shoe sure fits!

There is also a rap song – WARNING NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN OR AT WORK!!

BUST DOWN (The Original Nasty B*tch)

http://ligamusic.com/Lyrics/2780374/Bust_Down/The_Original_Nasty_Bitch_EP_/Nasty_Bitch/download-mp3/

and thank you JWG for the post….I was really undecided about who had searched what….this really clears it up.

I think the neck breaking searches were done on behalf of Cindy and George. After all, Casey was spinning her lie about getting the house. What better way to get it?

Lily

That post made me laugh. I don’t think I need to hear that song, though! It says that it was released in 2004, so it’s possible that she was looking it up.

Notagrandma,

The infamous pic – WHICH I DON’T WANT LINKED HERE – is not Casey.

What kind of a strange bird looks to kill people by breaking their necks? I can’t even imagine someone ‘going there’, if you are going to murder someone, really. Not that it’s anything I’ve considered , but really, how many murders do you see with COD listed as “broken neck”? You see accidental cases. But how would you explain 2 dead victims that have both coincidental died from broken necks? They don’t even have stairs in their house where you could stage that.

both coincidental – coincidentally

Officer, when I arrived home I found both of my parents slumped over the coffee table, they must have tripped.

I know WSH, but again, we are talking about the brilliant mind of Casey here. She could say they tripped over the bamboo roots out back. LOL

» Janielane said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:32 }

I know, I was being silly. But with some of the whoppers Casey has told, it doesn’t necessarily fall outside the realm of possibilities : )

LOL WSH, I know. The possiblities are endless.

Well officer, they must have tried to get out of the pool, and the steps had been moved. They must not have known that. The squirrels must have moved the steps while they were in the pool and they weren’t paying attention.

What a great explanation you have given, and I, as an elementary student of computers will now reread to understand the details. Very interesting.

Now, JWG, if I am overstepping the boundaries here, just ignore me. But if not, I have a quick question about my own puter/laptop. Why would emails that I send wind up in my own email inbox and not simply in the sent emails (where they also go)? It just started this morning after my husband created some special files for emails I need to catalog. He tried to figure out what is going on and cannot. And he’s extremely adept electronically. Hope you can direct me to a solution, if you decide not to ignore my irrelevant post. Thank you.

Let me just say this (besides all of the very funny comments that I’ve enjoyed so much):

In my little ’safe’ hamlet north of Houston – there is a guy on the loose who has attacked two women and the first thing he does is incapacitate them by breaking their necks (the first one he did break her neck and she has life-long paralysis – the 2nd one was temporarily paralyzed but neck not broken). Both of these women survived after having unspeakable things done to them. They have a description but no suspect. They suspect he’s ex-military. I guess my point is – this method of harm is not easy to do unless you are a fairly large person or have special training.

I am anti-gun – but I’ll tell you for the first time in my life I’ve thought about it.

What would she have done if the neck break resulted in paralysis rather than death?

Val, I don’t ever want to see that again, either…which is why I probably didn’t discern that it wasn’t Casey – my mouse clicked it shut just about as fast as it clicked it open!! But I do wonder who/what was the subject of the photos George did not want released…but that is all OT, sorry.

One thing I will say, though, is that I don’t think it is too strange that Casey may not have visited friends my space or facebook pages. You really do all your communicating with friends on your own page, and new messages probably came to her phone.

Another question, JWG:
Were all the above searches done on the desktop? What about the laptop? Have we seen that information? Thanks!

JWG,

What a great job!!! Congratulations again!!! Now, I understand a little bit more about computers… Just a little!
Lie #1- What??? Is Cindy crazy???
Lie #2 – OMG!!!
Escort services??? OMG #2!!!! Naughty George!!!

You are so right about us being creatures of habit… I myself use every day Safari, don’t like Internet Explorer. That’s so amazing how even a computer can tell a lot about a person, who would say that 8O ???

Well, Scratch, that’s where the Chloroform would come in handy.

I wonder if Cindy, George, Lee, the defense team, are all over here reading this fantastic reporting by JWG. Exceptional job, and thank you for making it understandable for those of us who are computer challenged. I also wonder if Gentiva is re-reviewing Cindy’s qualifications as a nurse. Seems she skipped a few classes, similar to her daughter.

Start 11:11 AM

•Google search “casey anthony” (results 1 – 10)
•Google search “casey anthony” (results 11 – 20)
•Google search “casey anthony” (results 21 – 30)
•Google search “casey anthony” (results 31 – 40)
•Google search “casey anthony” (results 41 – 50)
•Google search “casey anthony” (results 51 – 60)
•Google search “casey marie anthony” (results 1 – 10)
•Google search “casey marie anthony” (results 11 – 20)
•Google search “colonial high school” (results 1 – 10)

WOW this chick not only googled herself but checked like Every result that came up on google. Val this should be referenced in your piece on narcissism. Crazy. WELL at least she doesn’t have to worry about not popping up on google now. I wonder how many times she has googled herself from Baez laptop..

WSH – interestingly, the time stamp on Ricardo’s Myspace page shows he uploaded the “Win Her Over with Chloroform” image the day after Casey’s Google searches. See the screen capture of his page here:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/orv7mq.jpg

March 18 (airing of 100th One Tree Hill Episode)

Start 12:30 PM

* Myspace 191749597 – N.E.R.D: No One Ever Really Dies!

I can’t check My Space because I have no idea how to get there or how it works…but isn’t a “friend” of N.E.R.D.’s…the same TOM from the “Zenaida’s” My Space page? The same “Zenaida” who suddenly appeared on the day before Caylee was killed? Someone correct me if I’m wrong but seems N.E.R.D. and Zenaida share a “friend.”
JWD, thank you so much for sorting through this. It’s not common knowledge how these computers work and you have brought me a little bit further into an area of understanding.

8) Tom is the generic “welcome” friend

and just a question…why does everyone always reference this urban dictinary? was casey known to use it?

TOM is everyones friend on myspace

Urban dictionary defines slang text short cuts etc. (stuff merion webster doesn’t)

Can’t buy the idea of ‘neck breaking’ searches being a possible means of disposing of her parents. KC isn’t a big girl, by anyone’s standards. How would she achieve something like that? Jump on their backs, Golum-style, and start cranking? I just can’t see it.

However, I can buy it being a matter of curiosity over how easy it is to break a 2 year old’s neck. Even KC was big enough to achieve that if she really tried. Sick, sick thought.

Hi ClockWatcher,

No, EnCase does not automatically scan unallocated space for deleted files, basically because it would be incredibly difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff without lots of human interpretation. As a result, it is actually easier to do a keyword search – so long as one has an inkling as to what to search for.

It is quite possible there are other nuggets from the computer we have not heard about, and it is also possible there is relevant information in unallocated space that even OCSO has not uncovered.

» Lily said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:41 }

Lily-The horror Lily! Absolutely terrible. PSYCHOPATH.

» Jwg said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:30 }
WSH – interestingly, the time stamp on Ricardo’s Myspace page shows he uploaded the “Win Her Over with Chloroform” image the day after Casey’s Google searches. See the screen capture of his page here:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/orv7mq.jpg”

JWG_Whoa! Didn’t realize that. Still, she could have said he mentioned it before. That would seem slightly less suspicious than Cindy trying to do the cover up, no?

I appreciate the comments people have made about the analysis and the hope that the prosecution has the information. They probably do, but they don’t really need it in this case. Cindy’s time sheets are enough, and much simpler for a jury to understand.

Be careful Lily. I hope they find that bastard soon.

Now, on a silly note, I have the Talking Heads song stuck in my head:
Psycho Killer
Qu’est-ce que c’est?
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa better
Run run run run run run run away
OH OH OH

Janielane – I think it is safe to assume George is responsible for the escort searches. In reviewing the internet history, the searches more often than not coincide with visits to job-hunting sites in the security field, visits to car sites and home improvement sites. The pattern is something like this: Do a little job hunting, read some car reviews, check out a few escort sites.

As I said, creatures of habit.

JWG- I thought so too. I wonder if Cindy knows this yet

I just don’t think the neck breaking searches were done with the intent of killing G,C or Caylee. I think it is something else entirely. Because she was searching “self defense” at the same time, I lean more towards that angle. She was doing someone dirty (stealing or something, as hard as that is to believe) and needed to know how to defend herself…which is also why she had the kitchen knife, in my opinion. She was beginning to get enemies – or was anticipating it, anyway. Casey’s little lies and games she played all those years with her family were not going to be so easily swept under the rug in the real world – where people will HURT you if you steal their money or drugs or boyfriend, or whatever. She probably realized she was messing with the wrong people, and “feared for her life, and the life of her family”…remember the lies are intertwined with truths. I am so curious about the ’secret evidence’ because I think we will all have a big AH HA moment when/if that is finally released.

Anyone want to shoot holes in that thought? (every counterpoint adds a new dimension to this puzzle.) Thanks!

Oh WSH – I am going to have that in my head ALL DAY. I love the Talking Heads tho.

Thanks a lot lady. *said with a sigh and great affection*

“As far as the alcohol and peroxide, I researched just I was looking through different things that was in our cabinets to make sure that there was nothing that we had in our cabinets that Caylee would get into because we didn’t keep, like, you know, cleaning supplies in the bathrooms. The only thing I kept in the bottom bathrooms that we had locked was alcohol and peroxide.

And I knew alcohol could be costly, but I wasn’t sure about the peroxide because I know you can gargle with it, and I know you can drink some peroxide, but I wanted to see how much could hurt, in case she ever got into anything.”

Now, MY turn….Ouch, Owie! Those lies are actually painful!! “I knew alcohol could be costly”
…(Huh?)
“But I wasn’t sure about peroxide because I know you can gargle with it, and I know you can drink some peroxide”
(Sooo, it’s NOT costly?)
No, we’re jumping to the danger level of a child drinking it…yes, I see…she wanted to see how much could hurt, in case she ever got into anything.
(Even though they keep it locked up.)
Is she worried about expense or danger or how things are spelled. Why search only items that might be found in the bathroom? Was Caylee allowed ONLY to be in the bathroom? No other potentially dangerous or costly chemicals elsewhere in the home? What about looking up the costly and dangerous chemicals in the unlocked box in the back yard where Caylee plays?
It MUST have been Cindy who looked up “shovel” after all…right JWD? She’s the one who spends so much time SHOVELING SHIT AGAINST THE TIDE!!

(Just what happened to those poor dogs? A trial run?)

» Scratch my hinkey said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:01 }

8) Tom is the generic “welcome” friend

Thanks Scratch…told you I didn’t go to or understand My Space!

Beautifully done and so simply explained for such a complex amount of data. Thank you thank you!!!!

No holes to shoot in that Notagrandma! The more I think about it and after a few comments – it is entirely possible (or a possible defense angle) that Casey did receive a threat – maybe even one that can be corroborated! This also has the possibility of being the evidence being withheld by the prosecution until they can further prove this.

Unfortunately it does give the defense some sort of angle to work with. But it would also be entire feasible given Casey’s penchant to take what isn’t hers – on a whim or a lie.

Hmmmmm you’ve given me lots to think about. Thanks

JWG,

Awesome! Absolutely awesome!

This information reeks to high heaven of premeditation! It’s all right there! And to think that Casey must have been under the impression that she was so utterly SMART as to have deleted every trace, only to have it all come flying back up into her face!

We can bet that she has already experienced her “smackdown” from such as Lyons! The defense has no choice ( in having no defense) but to grasp at those splintered straws such as Kronk!

What sheer maddness! Cindy’s as “nuts” as her daughter, (the apple hasn’t fallen far from the tree) and isnt’ it obvious now that when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, Gramma Cindy doesn’t care near enough about Caylee to stand up for her now! The question is, does any Anthony?

My God. This is really just the tip of the iceberg isn’t it, Ladies?

Willow

ps. where do I send my toenail?

I would guess that Cindy’s word “costly” was probably intended to be “caustic”- as much incessant babbling as she does, I am sure a few words get misheard and recorded incorrectly…just my guess.

» Mimi said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:58

Plus Mimi, rubbing alcohol and peroxide are the cheapest things you can buy as sanitizers. What, on the high end they cost a dollar? I put peroxide in a glass every day to sanitize my tooth brush. I have made cut backs, but I don’t think peroxide and alcohol are going to set me back all that much.

notagrandma said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:05 }

Good catch and interpretation.

Thank you so much JWG
It’s a wonderful, well researched article.
Justice for Caylee!

I simply can no longer let my name be associated that Casey’s mother anymore, so I have changed my login name on here.
Bravo, JWG- just another great example of how knowledge will win out in this case. Valhall- you just Rock- I Love your blog- everyday a new insight on this case- Okay lets just say- I know I old enough to be Casey’s mother- But really- Bust Down?! EWW! Does this girl have NO morals?
The whole Firefox/IE scenario brought it home for me. I’ll bet that Cindy and George did not even know WHAT

Notagrandma,

I’m not so certain that Casey wasn’t searching self-defense tactics in order to prepare herself, should she have been caught in the process of ending Caylee’s life. If someone is sick and determined enough to end the life of their child, they are sick and desperate enough to end the life of anyone who might try to interfere with that, such as George or Cindy, should either one of them happened to walk in on the “event” and attempt to stop it.

Willow

First, Val thank you so much for “sharing” your blog. You truly are an amazing person.

JWG thank you so much for providing such an insightful digest of the google searches that had so many of us scratching our heads. Not only did I learn something about the A-Clan’s computer searches, but I learned something about computing in general.

This has been a most informative week on the Hinky Meter (as all of them are) and I thank you for all of the hard work.

Foxie

JWG!! You gave me flash backs to my old DOS programming days!!….X’s & 0’s and goverment wipes of a hard-drive!….Very well done in splainin!

Another reason for “self defense” – prostitutes are often the victims of very violent crimes. A ‘bustdown’ might need to defend herself.

Since I’ve always had a hard time with connecting Casey to Caylee with those searches:

self defense, neck breaking and household weapons

I think NotaG’s theory has a great deal of merit. I’m not so sure that Casey was doing any kind of escorting or prostitution (in fact I don’t really believe that because I think there would have been evidence in discovery that would have lead that way) but I do think she may have been in trouble with SOMEONE for theft of something. That I find very plausible. It also explains the knife/knives? found in the car – which so far have not been connected to anything including the duct tape.

Sorry hit a wrong key………..continuing
The whole Firefox/IE scenario brought it home for me. I’ll bet that Cindy and George did not even know WHAT Firefox was much less browsed with it. Cindy really cooked her goose with that whole chorophyl conversation. It shows that she knew and thought about reasons Casey had done searches for those things and Cindy was now trying to use reasonable explanations for the searches. Little did she realize, she was making more reasonable doubt.. A nurse looking up Peroxide and Acohol? Please she would have already known that! One Question please. Wasn’t Casey the one doing the searches for escort services? Have a great weekend everyone. We are FINALLY going to have temps in the 50’s for KY. Been a long Cold Winter!

What if George was on the Escort sites looking to see if Casey was one of them? Hummmm Is that too far fetched?

I’m not sure how the sites work, but I would think the escorts have pictures of themselves so the guys can see what they are getting, you know, the bang for the buck?

The only time I’ve ever heard mention of Casey being an escort was one caller who said he say someone that looked like Casey at a hotel and she looked like a prostitute. But…. that could explain what she was doing all those days and nights when she was “working”. Nawwwwwww, but it does make you wonder. What the HELL did she do all that time?

oops, say = saw

» Janielane said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:50 }

I can’t verify because I didn’t investigate the searches myself, but Blink had said that she found the escorts were around George’s age , or slightly younger, as I recall. I don’t think he was looking at 20 something aged escorts.

Did anyone look them up?

Awesome job, JWG. I have learned so much by reading other posts you have written. I am so glad that you will be regularly contributing to Hinky Meter. I anxiously await the next post!

Lily – the only thing I remember seeing (it is becoming a big blur!) was the poster/ad with her pictures and very suggestive sayings all around it…one was something like “you won’t regret it” or “I have tricks” or something… sorry, I have a picture of it in my mind. THAT looked like an ad for ’special services’ to me…but, again, my imagination has been in overdrive since about July 16, 2008, so…

Question,

Could it be possible that Casey and Ricardo discussed chloroform as a sexual experience enhancer? Do we have any information to support such a conversation?

I wouldnt take the urban dictionary too literally if i were you guys…just saying they often get it wrong or out of contect… i have never heard of anyone being called a “bust down” alot of other names for that sort of thing but not “bust down” If i had to bet, I would guess she was refering to the song.

I think the point is someone actually went to urban dictionary to review the definition

JWG, Thanks so much for the clear and concise info re search engines, etc. and the breakdown of the searches. Cleared up a few questions in my mind about all this. You’re incredible!

As I read your post of 8:03, a hmmmm moment hit. Is it possible that Georgie was not searching the escort sites for his own purposes, but instead looking for his evil spawn on one of those sites? As he indicated during his LE interview he suspected that KC wasn’t working…Maybe he was actually looking for his own daughter working another kind of job. Just a thought. Not that I’m giving GA any credit at all as he doesn’t deserve any, actually I think him to be a complete and entire buffoon, but could it be?

Valhal and JWG, please keep up the great work. This site is by far the best on this subject.

Thank you, JWG, for explaining the searches and browser usage so clearly. I recognized you as the “go-to” guy for computer forensics last March on the WS Computer Forensics thread, and I was thrilled to see your post here today. I hope you’ll find time for more posts, and I would personally love to know what you found in the April 2009 phone records that were released in discovery but not make public.

I don’t know what to add about Cindy’s deceitful attempt to take the fall for the chloroform searches except to say that her “chlorophil” story was refreshingly rational relative to blaming those searches on the mysterious and nefarious “Zani” (she had a key to the Anthony house, you know).

The March 11 searches for “Casey Anthony” and “Casey Marie Anthony” are interesting to me. I don’t regard those searches as a sign of her narcissism but rather an investigation into what someone else would find who searched for information about her. She had essentially formed a completely new group of friends by January 2008, had become a close friend of Amy Huizenga and was dating Ricardo. She was also telling outrageous lies about herself (SuperCasey! – the single mother, full-time Universal event planner, and Valencia student who had a full-time, well-paid nanny and had saved $15K for a downpayment on a house). She would never have dared tell those lies to her old group of friends because they would have known she was lying. So I believe she searched for information about herself because wanted to know what her new friends would be able to discover if they searched the Internet for information about her.

I vaguely recall comments claiming Ricardo had put the “Win her over with chloroform” image on both his MySpace and Facebook pages. I see from your comment upthread that the MySpace upload was made the day after Casey’s first searches for chloroform, but do you know when the Facebook upload happened (if it did)?

Janielane, I apologize, I didn’t see your post above. Guess great minds think alike.

I have to go to the urban dictionary a lot. *evil laugh here* I do a little forensics on my 16 yo son’s computer occasionally and he knows it.

I should have said . . . so far . . . he’s ‘fairly’ innocent.

Notagrandma and lily:

Another thought that I have had is that Casey may have first thought about staging a “home invasion” to get rid of all of them. Of course, IF the allegations about Cindy choking Casey are true, Casey may have searched household weapons, neck breaking as a result of that fight (and I believe this may have happened earlier than June because I think Cindy found out about the theft from her parents earlier). I need to go back and review the e-mails from her mom, but I believe the theft was discussed between Cindy’s mom and her sister on e-mails before father’s day. Anyone have that handy?

maura i agree with your posts about casey checking to see what could be found online about herself but i still think it equals narcissism

she assumes people would be searching the internet for info about her!!

Maura:

Good point on the Casey searches.

Ya Nan but the searches were in March. I think this was before all of the info about stealing from Grandma/Granddad were discovered. Also, as JWG pointed out, the chloroform searches were done the day BEFORE Ricardo uploaded that poster.

Since those two incidents were so close together . . . it makes me think they’re tied together somehow. Otherwise – what a coincidence. I don’t like coincidences.

Also – i don’t believe any of her lies could be proven false through internet searches

Absolutely fantastic piece, totally understandable and to the point: a pure “gotcha in a lie, Mrs Anthony!”. Thanks!

Please do not take the declarations of Cynthia M. Anthony, R. N. as a representation of the practitioners within the field of medicine regarding the prescribed utilization of traditionally non potable fluids by children under the age of 3. Her quote ” but I wasn’t sure about the peroxide because I know you can gargle with it, and I know you can drink some peroxide, but I wanted to see how much could hurt, in case she ever got into anything.” is a typical “Anthonyism-a half-truth.”
NO volume of H2O2 should be DRUNK by a child, good GOD hasn’t this NURSE ever heard of calling POISON control or HEAVEN FORBID, 911 for a medical emergency! And I agree, the term our hapless “authority” was trying to impress LDB with was probably “caustic” vs “costly” but even then she reverted to a “Anthonyism” with her definition of caustic!

I must say: when you’re going to cover up for somebody, heck just go full steam ahead, but be ready to face the music yourself when you lie for a liar.

The lastest docu-dump might be available to the media as early as next Wednesday.

If I remember correctly,in a conversation Casey had with a friend,she stated she couldnt go out that night.
Cindy was to babysit but was unable to as she had bad neck pain.
And so we are left to wonder-did she plan on breaking Cindy’s neck to get her out of the way-she laid a plan that the house would be hers soon and what better way to off Cindy in someway-like breaking her neck possibly killing her or rendering her paralized.
Not sure what she would have done to get rid of George but I think there is a direct link to the search and the sore neck story.
JMO

I mean,as she Cindy lay with a sore neck-she already hatched a plan to induce more neck pain and say to people-”see I told you she had a bad neck”

After all is said and done in this case, will Cindy be invited by Harvard Med School to join their studies in motor cortex damage? If the Caylee money train comes to a halt, perhaps Cindy could find a whole other gig and aid research, too. . Apparently, her left hemisphere doesn’t know what her right hemisphere is doing. Seriously trying to follow her thought and speech paterns, and those of her near and dear, as some other posters have said, can make your eyes or ears bleed.

Just as I used to feel at trying to understand even a tiny bit of the computer forensics of this case. Thanks, JWG, and thanks to Val for inviting you to post such a clear picture of the searches. We all appreciate the time it took to’splain it to us.

They have been very quiet, which is smart, an improvement, and what they should have done from the beginning. Every time they tried to cover for Casey, they only succeeded in making her look MORE guilty.

Notagrandma,
You are probably right…caustic/costly…good call and that’s why I always like your posts. You notice and see things that I don’t see and I’ve learned a lot from reading what you think.

Any person, including nurses, know that alcohol will burn skin; left exposed to it for long, and mouths, eyes, mucus membranes, etc. Even as children, we don’t clean our boo-boos with alcohol. So many times, it would have been better for Cindy to just tell the truth and try to work it out from there. It’s just not in her to tell the truth under any circumstances involving Casey IMO, and that has been her downfall.
Anyone:
About the “secret photos”…I’m not sure there are any. Seeing the photos that have already been released would be bad enough for me, as a parent and George’s reaction, when he saw photos, would be the same as my reaction. The peeing in public, the head over the toilet, the suggestive sharing of the Mexican food with another girl, the pole dancing etc, would cause me to pause and wonder how well I knew my own daughter. Is there any proof that any other photos exist? I really don’t remember or never knew for sure. Since the one photo in question was not Casey, I think this claim of more photos is really just hype. (If not, unfortunately, there are many young women and girls shooting naked photos around the internet these days and so Casey is no better or worse than they are.)
JWG, I sure hope you have info in another article about the possibility of some deleted photos and ability to “call them back up from the dead space in PC world.” I would only want to see them if they pertain, without question, to Caylee’s death. Whatever else Casey may have done in her spare time (besides planning to kill Caylee,) I don’t care.

What a great small piece of education from a writer that can give us so much more no doubt.

If Cindy reads here, then she is trying to figure out how to lie about all the lies she has told when her bottom hits that stand in the courtroom. She will be put to the shame she deserves for shaming herself. As we have learned, COMPUTERS DO NOT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right on Autumn

Cindy’s statement to law enforcement that she did a Google search for chlorophyl in March when there never was a search for chlorophyl on the computer ranks up with her other attempts at trying to make Casey appear innocent without taking the fall for her. Notice she didn’t say she searched for “chloroform” but “chlorophyl” and then makes up a long and convuluted story about the dogs being sick to further derail the investigation.

How about these doozies made up by Cindy to make Casey look like the Mother of the Year instead of the murderer of her granddaughter?

1- Casey was probably taking the cops to the right building but wrong apartment because she feared Zani and her co-kidnappers would harm Caylee. Trouble with that theory was that no one by the name of Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, her roommate Rachel, her sister Samantha, or mother Gloria ever lived in any of the apartments in any of the buildings Casey claimed they did. In fact, no one has come forward to say any of them exist.

2- Someone else put a dead body in the car trunk after the car was towed to the tow lot. Oh yeah, and they just happened to have the key to Casey’s car trunk so they could put the body in and remove it when no one was around the car lot?

3-Zani has to exist because Caylee spoke about Zani’s dog. How come George told investigators in July 2008 when he was telling the truth that whenever he mentioned the names Zani and Zachary Caylee didn’t know who they were?

4- Casey gave Cindy the phone number and addresses of Zani. How come she never called those numbers or went to those addresses looking for Caylee the night Casey said Zani kidnapped Caylee?

Hi Maura,

Unfortunately, I have seen nothing about the chloroform picture on Facebook.

Mimi – I agree with all of your comment. I do not believe the photos that upset George are anything other than what we’ve seen. I’m sure Geo was embarrassed just seeing those in front of his ‘brother’ LE personnel.

Wow! Val, you picked a winner ! JWG, awesome article, thanks so much!You guys are amazing,hats off to you♥

JWG,
Thanks for posting this thoroughly researched and insightful article regarding the searches performed in March 2008 on the desktop computer located in the Anthony home. IMO there can no longer be any doubt that Casey performed all of the searches related to chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons, fleas, etc. as evidenced by the fact that they were accessed exclusively via the Firefox browser and Google search functions, as opposed to the Internet Explorer browser and Yahoo search functions exclusively utilized by Cindy and George in their mundane searches for escort services and home improvement, healthcare and employment services. You are a welcome addition to Valhall’s amazingly informative and thought-provoking blog, and I anxiously look forward to reading your future postings.

» JWG said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:35 }
I appreciate the comments people have made about the analysis and the hope that the prosecution has the information. They probably do, but they don’t really need it in this case. Cindy’s time sheets are enough, and much simpler for a jury to understand.

Could possibly come in as to ’state of mind’?

Excellent comments by all and simply unbelievable explanation in layperson terms by JWG. Although I did read your other comments on this subject, you went all out on this one.
It was always my belief the escort searches were done by George. I mean really, my dog would cuddle with a cold hard fire hydrant before getting near the Ice Maiden Cindy. I am still enjoying the check fraud court scene where Cindy mouths “I luv u” to George and gets nothing in return. The camera showed just enough to see her look back twice in bewilderment as George completely ignored her. The cracks are deepening and getting wider between the obstructers. What a pleasant thought.

JWG, great article. I am so happy you are able to do the same thing Val does. For a dummy like me I am able to understand everything Val writes and now you too. Looking forward to reading more. Thank you.

notagrandma said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:16 }
There was a pretty graphic pic of her floating around for a while (doing the lollipop thing, if you catch my drift) and also the conversation George and ?Yuri?? had regarding all the graphic pictures that were found on one of the computers that they did not want made public. More “bustdown” shots? Oh my.
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Notagrandma –

You are not remembering the conversation about the photos correctly.

In George’s July 24 OCSO interview, John Allen told George that Casey had a Photobucket account that she put about 1,200 photos on. Yuri Melich said some of those photos were “pretty bad.” George was told that people had created online links to Casey’s Photobucket account, so those photos were being viewed by a lot of people.

In other words, OCSO told George that Casey herself had put all those photos on the Internet on a Photobucket that the public had access to.

One week later, in George’s July 31 FBI interview, George told Scott Bolin that he heard about 1,200 pictures of Casey, some of which were very provocative. George said OCSO said they were trying to keep the photos low-key. George told the FBI he wasn’t sure if the pictures were on Casey’s computer or somewhere else.

George did not remember that OCSO told him the 1,200 photos were on Casey’s Photobucket account.

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We know from Lee’s testimony that he deleted as many of Casey’s Internet photos as he could soon after Casey’s arrest because he knew the media and the public had found the photos and were “sensationalizing” them (this was the point in testimony when Lee talked about trying to guess the passwords and his claim that Jesse mentioned the passwords “Horace” and “Timer55”).

In March 2009, Jose Baez tried to block the release (via discovery) of hundreds of embarrassing photos from Casey’s Photobucket account. He said he only wanted the SAO to release the photos they planned to use at trial. The prosecutors said they didn’t care either way. The lawyer for the Orlando Sentinel said they wanted the photos made public. Baez lost the motion when Judge Strickland ruled to release them, and the photos were made public.

lily said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:35 }

I’ve always had a hard time really connecting household weapons and neck breaking in relation to Casey’s thoughts about Caylee. I mean, she was two years old. There are much easier ways to harm a two year old if that’s what is on your mind. These sound more to me like either self defense or worry about what someone else is capable of doing to her. JMO

Lily, I believe she was planning on knocking off Cindy and George to get their house as well as murdering Caylee. She told Tony’s roommates girlfriend and Amy that Cindy and George were getting a divorce, leaving and giving her the house. She even invited Amy to be her roommate and the two of them were planning on turning the Anthony house into a party house. In fact, Amy was planning on moving in the weekend Caylee was murdered.

I think Casey planned on killing George, Cindy and Caylee and burying them all in the back yard. She just didn’t get around to it. When Cindy and Casey got into a fight June 15 and Cindy choked her, Casey realized George and Cindy were stronger than her and would fight back. Caylee was not.

So she went to Plan B. Murder Caylee and move in with Tony. That way she would be rid of Caylee and George and Cindy would suffer forever instead of minutes. She knew Cindy and George loved Caylee more than they ever loved her. She never forgave Caylee or Cindy and George for that. She also knew that they would clean up her mess and stick up for her because they always did.

JWG…Excellent post. I think I’m finally getting it. Something that has always bothered me. Who looks up shovel? I mean we all know (or should know) what a shovel is and what it’s used for. I never understood that particular search.

» Janielane said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:51 }

“The only time I’ve ever heard mention of Casey being an escort was one caller who said he say someone that looked like Casey at a hotel and she looked like a prostitute. But…. that could explain what she was doing all those days and nights when she was “working”. Nawwwwwww, but it does make you wonder. What the HELL did she do all that time?”

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Janielane – my guess with what she did with all her time was talk on the phone and play on the computer when she wasn’t hanging out at her friends’ places.

Whoa!! Hold the horses (except for the CONGRATS to JWG… I’m still reading)… JWG finally reveals a clue that I missed, because of the cancer comment I guess, re: the dogs.

“Cindy: — and possibly chloroform because of my animals because my Cocker — or my Yorkies …. And I had previously lost two Cocker Spaniels, and I wanted to see if there was any tie. I had never thought about that with the cancer and stuff that I lost the Cocker, so I started researching different things.”

There’s more to this, I suspect– a lot more. A nurse knows that leaves contain chlorophyl (and anyone with biology in high school, or a bit of medical terminology, I’d guess would know it’s not ‘phil’ — ie: phylum, and other Latin sources).

I am suspicious of what happened to two Cocker Spaniels– and why would Cindy be suspicious of the ’same thing’ being a possible cause of the cancer/deaths. Two different breeds, and remember all those chemicals George poured on the lawn, how much is ‘in’ bamboo leaves sprouting because bamboo grows so fast. Interesting to know, but eating grass makes dogs sick, eating bamboo leaves probably no less. But directly cause cancer vs grass in which the bamboo grows?

Sorry for the diversion… back to continue where I left off reading!!

Thanks JWG!

Well, alrighty then…….. bustdown – yep, that pretty much sums it up!! LOL!

Notice that on March 6th she’s searching how to hide a MySpace, then on the 11th she is googling herself to see what comes up about her (Maura – I think you are 100% right about this). I wonder if she was searching Colonial High School to see if the graduates were listed. She could have been concerned that someone could have found out she had not graduated. Then on the 13th – the search for “bustdown”. I would bet money that someone hurled this epithet at her and she needed to know what it meant! I wonder if she wasn’t having problems around this time because boyfriend A saw something about her with boyfriend B ( 0r X,Y, or Z) on myspace, etc. I don’t think she had to work that hard to keep stuff from Cindy at that point as she didn’t use MySpace.

JWG – awesome work, as always!!! (Muzikman and Val, you rock too!)

Cindy thinks the jury will not connect the dots and all of her explanations are perfectly logical. Hey, what nurse wouldn’t google alcohol to see if it was costly… or caustic? Wait.

Even if one of her incredibly lame explanations are within the bounds of reason, presented cumulatively she will be proven a liar… she’ll be like an insect wriggling on a pin moments after the questioning starts. Arrogance + stupidity = a deadly combination.

As to the pics the FBI discusses with George. The FBI says they are “very bad” and considering what the agents have seen in their professional history I doubt they were describing a young woman wearing revealing costumes sucking on a lolly. I believe the pics are nothing we have seen to date (except the one Val says is not her, which I think IS her, but that’s subjective for sure.)

Somehow there are 1200 “very bad” pics that haven’t been released yet, and may never be released by LE. But I trust the FBI knows from “bad”.

Kleat,
I had brought this subject up before re: the cocker spaniels but no one else seemed that interested. I too am curious about this….
Could Casey have possibly had anything to do with that?? As known, people who are violent towards people usually start with animals. Not saying she beat them or anything but maybe drugged them or something else.

Thank you thank you for this articulate article. I had to blush because I know very little about computers but I indentify I too am a creature of habit and I only use google it is a life safer for me. Don’t know about firefox? but I leave those things up to my son if I need assistance or upgrades. I see though clearly now what exactly happened and I see clearly now how KC operated it. She kept her parents in the dark regarding the computer, I too am in the dark most times. Just enough knowledge to put my worthless two cents on blogs!

Nanaof4 said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 09:03:27 }
Another thought that I have had is that Casey may have first thought about staging a “home invasion” to get rid of all of them.

Nana, I don’t think a home invasion is Casey’s style. I think she Googled shovel, neckbreaking and household weapons because she fantasized about murdering George, Cindy and Caylee as they slept and then burying their bodies in the back yard and telling everyone Cindy and George got a divorce and George was in the Caribbean and Cindy had taken Caylee off to a secluded cabin in the mountains in the Ozarks or Montana and she gets post cards from them all the time and they are having a great time. She just didn’t think about how she was going to over power two strong adults and drag their bodies to the back yard. Being disorganized, she never went through with her plan because it was too much trouble.

If the two puppies meant anything to Cindy then more than likely KC killed them too. After all maybe she did it to have a way for Cindy to cling tighter to Caylee therefore creating a solid babysitter, with the dogs gone and Cindy sad and upset giving KC more room to have the baby replace Cindy’s love, care and attention to her puppies all to Caylee and KC was once again given freedom from the baby. I personally have no doubt.

After reading Maura’s comment, and since I can’t give a link, I’ll take out the *very*. I still feel the FBI saying the word “bad” is significant.

Maura,
I agree with you 100% that Casey March 2008 searches of her own name plus the Colonial High School search were investigative in nature in that Casey wanted to find out what others might be able to glean about her by a similar search.

Interestingly, the Colonial High School Classmates website that I accessed on 2/6/09
shows that a Zanaida Fenandez Gonsalez was a member of the Class of 1994. Please note that the spelling of these three names are different than Casey’s spelling of them, but I believe they are close enough to make the assumption that Casey came across this classmates page during her March 2008 search and decided to use it as the name of Caylee’s imaginary nanny and kidnapper.

We have no way of knowing what the dogs died from barring access to vet records.
I don’t think that is something we are going to see. If they did die from cancer ( which vets would have scans, pathology reports or x-rays of), it would be very difficult to pin to someone’s actions or intentions, unless they did tox and metal screens to see if they were poisoned over time, and studied whether the poisons existed naturally in the environment, and/or the dogs had a propensity of getting into things, etc.

» Jennyb said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:29 }
After reading Maura’s comment, and since I can’t give a link, I’ll take out the *very*. I still feel the FBI saying the word “bad” is significant.

Yeah, but Jenny the pix released are bad in the sense of demonstrating what her priorities and life style were. Juxtaposed against the mother of the year….

“… cancer and stuff…’ that she lost the Cocker.

LE, IMHO, would have investigated this thoroughly and possibly found vet records or witnesses that might clear this up. Casey seemed to be the researcher type, this would be important if she previously experimented with serious chemicals that would make an animal sick. What happens if you give an animal inhaled anaesthetic without withholding food– they’d get sick.

Is Cindy explaining away too much– why the slip about the Cocker?

And a big question– WHY is it missing from Cindy’s explanations, any concern for a toddler picking and eating bamboo leaves, minimally stuffing them in her mouth, if she had any worry at all about them being poisonous? A toddler can emulate a little pet dog that goes and eats something in the yard. But the search was not done until March 2008 and no mention of concern for the baby, only Cindy’s ‘Cocker’ no longer alive, and two little Yorkies.

I had a dog get very sick from an extremely poisonous plant prunings and I didn’t find much in the Google search horticulture pages, some info from poisonous plant databases, but references were to ‘humans’ and no poison references to ‘dogs’. It was only when I searched veterinary resources, that problems showed up as possible for dogs and other domestic animals.

If Cindy were doing a thorough search for poisonous plants re: her dogs as well as a small child, she would have thought of poison control websites and thought of ‘vet medicine’ sites too. She apparently did not.

A simple call to their (or ‘a’ vet) could have that ‘bamboo’ question answered easily. (btw, dogs don’t have molars to grind bamboo, they’d toss their bamboo leaf cookies without digesting them mostly– I’d guess).

One last point– why did the Anthony’s have bamboo in their yard anyway? Was this planted or at least, not completely discouraged because of Cindy’s love of the Oriental/Asian themes and her obvious love of ‘panda bears’ and the bamboo motif in her living room and bedroom decor. Pandas, as most people know, live on bamboo and it’s the loss of forest and bamboo leaf supply, natural or man made, that has pushed Panda’s into an endangered species in the wild.

I don’t think Casey was ho’ing for the simple reason that she never had any money, except what she could steal. Unless she was ho’ing for money to do street drugs like meth or crack and IMO she didn’t have the physical “look” of a drug user/addict.

Great post, JWG. My husband and I do the same thing: he uses Mozilla-Firefox, I use IE — he uses google and yahoo for searches, I only use yahoo. He has his history set to delete on close, I don’t. He’s more “up” on computing and the internet or he just cares more, lol.

The self-defense searches don’t bother me as I can see most anyone would like to feel stronger, more secure and able to take care of themselves and if you’ve got all the time in the world to surf the internet, like Casey, I imagine you’d look it up if you were interested. I read the 5 pages on the very first link provided, and I wonder when/where that particular search fits in the timeline of other searches? The internet article talks about having your house as a map in your head where you could move from room to room and advises you to think of ordinary household items as potential aggressive or defensive weapons (lamps, cupboard doors, heavy candle-holders, etc. I can see following up on this article with further searches for household weapons. It’s something I would do if I were “surfing” and had alot of time.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Casey is malignant and guilty, it’s just that after reading that article she visited on self-defense in the home, I am curious to know when the “household weapons” search took place.

I am also ambivalent about the chloroform/acetone searches. I can see, as part of Casey’s MO and in keeping with her successful, working, generous, single-mother with a nanny who also parties and is a social butterfly with lots of sex appeal and is also a narcissist who wants to continually look better/the best — her wanting to be “one up” on knowledge about everything trendy in her little world. I wouldn’t be surprised if LE techs have just tons of searches around “weird” stuff. Like someone said above, I can see Casey hearing chloroform in conversation from someone in her circle and looking it up. It’s backwards reasoning for me, which I happily acknowledge, to say that I think she may have made/used it BECAUSE I do believe she killed Caylee and because I have judged her morals and personality and believe her capable of making and using chloroform on Caylee. Personally, I find the “One Tree Hill” connection much creepier than the internet searches, at least at this point in discovery. 8O

Cindy, now… love the picture you paint, JWG. As someone said recently, Cindy knew her daughter. And Cindy is sooooo covering. thanks

Ok – I just have to apply some logic here. I know there have been cases of kids killing their parents in order to inherit ‘whatever’. Think of the Menendez brothers and a host of other brother/sister, daughter/boyfriend, daughter/boyfriend/peripheral-friends, etc.

BUT! Casey weighed 100 lbs. soaking wet! I have read ALL of the transcripts about Amy and the house, etc. I think Casey and Cindy had talked about the possibility of Geo and Cin divorcing and maybe Casey could take over the payments on the house with roommates while Geo and Cin sought refuge in their own places.

Unless Casey was going to incapacitate Geo and Cin somehow in their sleep with chloroform, break their necks or use a household weapon and then drag them somewhere, somehow to a kind of burial that would require digging deep graves in the backyard and conceal freshly dug graves in the backyard with a shovel (lets face it she wasn’t going to be able to get them into a vehicle by herself) well….um no way.

Possibly LE has found a potential accomplice? Maybe. This just seems incredibly far-fetched to me. But so does murdering your own beautiful 2-yo daughter soooooo – hmmmmm

» JWG said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:30 }
WSH – interestingly, the time stamp on Ricardo’s Myspace page shows he uploaded the “Win Her Over with Chloroform” image the day after Casey’s Google searches. See the screen capture of his page here:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/misconline/orv7mq.jpg

Oooo Wow. Well, That one is safely tucked into bed. Thank you JWG.

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• Google search “google” (results 1 – 10)

JWG-

This one is a little weird for me. If you are using firefox, then in the upper right corner of the browser is the search engine google and any others you want to add to a pull down menu. Someone like Casey would know this. Or, is it different on a PC vs a MAC?

A very minor point, but when talking to a father about pictures of his daughter, wouldn’t the term ‘really bad’ be different than, say, if you were talking to a teenager or a seasoned police officer? The pictures we’ve all seen would, I think, be considered ‘really bad’ by a father who didn’t know his daughter was up to those sorts of things.

Wouldn’t be shocked to hear there were more pictures than the ones we’ve seen, just saying the ones we’ve seen would probably seem ‘really bad’ to George, and LE was just trying to soften the blow a bit before he saw them. Taking that comment to mean she could have been a prostitute or an ‘escort’ seems like quite a stretch.

jennyb said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:29 }
After reading Maura’s comment, and since I can’t give a link, I’ll take out the *very*. I still feel the FBI saying the word “bad” is significant.

*****

George is the one who brought up the photos in the FBI interview (he had learned about them from Melich and Allen on July 24).

During the FBI interview, George said he got upset after hearing about some 1,200 photos out in public that show Casey involved in some bad things, putting her in very bad light. George said he did not share that information with Cindy. He mentioned that the laptop had not been returned to the Anthonys but might be returned the following day. George said Casey had deleted a great many files from her computer but LE said the hard drive will have information even if user deleted it.

The FBI agent, Scott Bolin, said that if these photos are on Anthony computers, they’re on someone else’s computers as well because they’ve been taken off the Internet and stored and someone is likely to try to profit off the photos.

I found what I was looking for regarding the check written from the grandfathers nursing home account. It was three or four months from August 21st so it would have been April or May according to Shirley’s recollections. That would lead me to believe Casey had had a very heated argument with Cindy in the Spring and could have led a very angered KC to search for household weapons and neck breaking and other stuff as revenge or self defense from her own mother. (Assuming the story of Cindy choking Casey is true).

It was in the Shirley Plesea transcript taken Aug. 21, 2008 on page 5157 of the discovery documant:

She first talks about the $54 check and how she didn’t tell anyone at the time. Then she states:

SP: “Then this Spring, a few months ago, (sighs), I don’t know, maybe three or four months ago, there was a three hundred and fifty-four dollars missing out of my bank…

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

SP: …account. We it was written on AT&T. And it was written on my husband’s account that i had to close out after Casey used my check. The bank advised me to change my, you know, to close that account and start a new account.”

on page 5161 of discover doc:

SP: and they never did anything about it. I, I called and told Cindy…”
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974289/detail.html

Hey WSH, yes I thought about that and also the fact that they were talking to a father, which might change the way they presented the idea of the pics. However, I still feel the pics are B.A.D. and they didn’t try to soften the blow for George. Heck they were talking about decomp of a baby’s body and other not so pleasant things. I really feel strongly about this. Just my opinion, natch.

Not trying to go off subject here, but this has me really curious and wanting an answer…….I was on D&A investigations website: http://www.dgator.com, under CMA Documents and there are 2 document releases that have been removed, they are: July 16th-Casey Anthony Transcript Recorded at Home Part 1 and Casey Anthony recorded Statement at Universal Part 2. Does anyone know if those have been released and where I can see those, for some reason they removed from their site and found it odd and I am now very curious as to what was in them. Val can you look at and find out if there is somewhere else I can see these and post a link? I would like your opinion as to why these may have been removed from his website, or if he posted and they have not been released…Thanks

They say that practice makes perfect, although Cindy attempted to master being the Queen Liar of the Nile, KC whipped her butt!

Kleat, Nickle…
Experiment on the dogs first. Ok, that was pretty easy. Next, how hard would it be to perform a repeat performance on George, Cindy and Caylee? Pick any day that George is home and Cindy is not (and that’s not hard to do.) How hard to break a neck if your victim is “under” with chloroform? By now you know that chloroform dissipates rapidly so, don’t forget to wash all faces after the deed. Get Caylee next and hide both bodies and then wait patiently for Cindy to arrive home. (This sort of laying in wait for each family member to come home has been done before.)
Lastly, murderer “arrives home” and discovers that someone has killed the whole family. No sane and logical person would do this but Casey is anything but logical.
Also, IMO, Cindy even bringing the dogs up shows me that she suspected foul play with her dogs and probably not at the time…but certainly by the time she was being questioned by LE.

WSH, yeah– and the Anthony’s propensity for ‘cleaning’ with all those toxic household products (even carcinogens without labelling that other countries offer). It may be too late for an elder dog to treat or even do expensive diagnosis.

Still, I’d bet that LE has dug into the subject.

» justice4u said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:43 }

Don’t know Justice, that’s why I hadn’t answered before. Look it up on docstock maybe?

I’ve never called Casey a prostitute or an escort. I’m of the opinion that if she did certain things it was probably for her own narcissistic gratification.

Also, LE/FBI knows they’re dealing with an ex-LE officer who’s been around the block. Granted he’s a father but I stand by my feeling. Anyway, that’s the last I’ll speak of it.

JWG, what a delicious repast you have put on our plate today. Thank your for your tenacity. It appears that Casey Anthony and family will be going from Club Med to Club Fed. In due time of course.

I think all 1200 of those ‘images’ have been released. Remember an image does not mean a ‘photo’! There are countless images from the computers that are all available to the public. I haven’t counted them – but I would bet there are none more incriminating than what we’ve already seen.

Plus! IF Casey was working in the escort or sex trade – there would be Johns, Pimps, other sex trade workers piping up about seeing Casey. Bet on it – they would not ALL stay quiet. No Whay says Stewie.

I don’t think Casey killed the dogs.

And thanks JWG, for your contribution. I look forward to more and more and more!

Thank you WSH, I have been looking all over for them, it appears that he posted them and then removed because they have not really came available to the public, but not sure, why would he remove them, if they had been released to the public?

JWG,

Thanks for all your expertise in this fascinating case.

My question is specific.

What is your opinion on the Jun 12, 2008 Zenaida search?

Do you believe a search for Zenaida was physically conducted from the Ant home on Jun12, 2008?

Thank,
AJ.

lily said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:46 }
Ok – I just have to apply some logic here. I know there have been cases of kids killing their parents in order to inherit ‘whatever’. Think of the Menendez brothers and a host of other brother/sister, daughter/boyfriend, daughter/boyfriend/peripheral-friends, etc.

BUT! Casey weighed 100 lbs. soaking wet! I have read ALL of the transcripts about Amy and the house, etc. I think Casey and Cindy had talked about the possibility of Geo and Cin divorcing and maybe Casey could take over the payments on the house with roommates while Geo and Cin sought refuge in their own places.

Unless Casey was going to incapacitate Geo and Cin somehow in their sleep with chloroform, break their necks or use a household weapon and then drag them somewhere, somehow to a kind of burial that would require digging deep graves in the backyard and conceal freshly dug graves in the backyard with a shovel (lets face it she wasn’t going to be able to get them into a vehicle by herself) well….um no way.

Possibly LE has found a potential accomplice? Maybe. This just seems incredibly far-fetched to me. But so does murdering your own beautiful 2-yo daughter soooooo – hmmmmm

Lily, I think it was a fantasy of Casey’s to slaughter George, Cindy and Caylee so she could have the house and do what she wanted. She didn’t think of paying bills or what it would take to kill the entire family. She saw the house as free. Casey didn’t go through with killing George and Cindy because when push came to shove she realized they were stronger than her. I don’t believe Cindy would ever talk about leaving that house to Casey. She may have talked about kicking George out. But she wanted to keep Casey and Caylee under her roof forever so she could control them. She loved the fact that she was the breadwinner and therefore they were dependent on her.

Casey never had an accomplice. Sociopaths murder alone and don’t leave witnesses because they don’t want to get caught.

Why would you put someone under with chloroform, then go to the trouble (and it would be trouble) to break their neck? Why not just hold the cloth there until the deed was done?

Another problem I have with that is, even if I were sound asleep I guarantee I’d wake up if someone suddenly put a cloth over my mouth and my nose. Now she’s got an awake parent to deal with and a whole lot of ’splainin’ to do.

I just don’t see it.

Thank you WSH, I have been looking all over for them.

There could be worse photos than what we have seen, but remember, we are talking about people who threw a shit-fit about Jesse just sitting (clothed) on Casey’s bed, when Casey had already given birth to a baby and they were going to be married, and these 2 are the same people who denied her pregnancy up to 7 months in.

Thus, their reaction might be different. Head meet sand, sand meet head…oh what wait, Casey isn’t a perfect kid?

I just love this site! However I’m lost should I know who JWG is?
In any event the post is excellent in that I like others had no idea how one would locate sites someone researched. Evidently Cindy is also not among the blessed in that she seems to know even less as noted by her stupid lies about her computer searches.
Thanks for all you do!
Have a beautiful day!
Faith

I sure hope that this kind of research is sent on to LE in this case. So often I have seen that the public or the victims of a case know far more about the facts than LE who is supposed to present it to the DA. All the hard work you folks have done could very easily go unnoticed by LE or DA.

» Sally Says said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 09:03:32 }
Cindy’s statement to law enforcement that she did a Google search for chlorophyl in March when there never was a search for chlorophyl on the computer ranks up with her other attempts at trying to make Casey appear innocent without taking the fall for her. Notice she didn’t say she searched for “chloroform” but “chlorophyl” and then makes up a long and convuluted story about the dogs being sick to further derail the investigation.

How about these doozies made up by Cindy to make Casey look like the Mother of the Year instead of the murderer of her granddaughter?

__________

Sally Says:

Like many other words that the Anthonys mis-speak, Cindy meant to say Murderer of the Year, not Mother of the Year!

WSH, see, I think the upset about Jesse on the bed was more about being controlling and cruel than being modest or prudish. I also think Cindy did know Casey was pregnant way before the 7 month mark. Casey probably told her when she could no longer hide it (4 or 5 months?) and just because Cindy says she didn’t know don’t make it so.

» jennyb said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:04 }WSH, see, I think the upset about Jesse on the bed was more about being controlling and cruel than being modest or prudish. I also think Cindy did know Casey was pregnant way before the 7 month mark. Casey probably told her when she could no longer hide it (4 or 5 months?) and just because Cindy says she didn’t know don’t make it so.

Jenny-Yeah you’re right, and it is also about putting forth appearances. What would it look like-w- Jesse on the bed? What would it look like if Casey were preggers? What would it look like if Casey didn’t graduate high school?

I’m with ya, WSH. Oh sure, Cindy thought her daughter had a tumor the size of a basketball but no prob. Pfft.

Jennyb – I think this is one of the first times I will disagree with you! I still love you and your comments though!

I think WSH is exactly right. I think that the Ant’s response to a fully clothed, recently engaged, ‘parents’ (Jesse was still considered Dad) of a new baby was really really WEIRD!! So I can see George reacting to some of the photo’s we’ve seen just exactly the way he did. I can also see him not wanting Cindy to see them.

We could all be wrong and there could be xxx rated photo’s of Casey out there – but honestly those things stay in ‘cached’ memory all over the place. They would have been found by someone by now.

PonderingWhy said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:39 }
Why would you put someone under with chloroform, then go to the trouble (and it would be trouble) to break their neck? Why not just hold the cloth there until the deed was done?

Another problem I have with that is, even if I were sound asleep I guarantee I’d wake up if someone suddenly put a cloth over my mouth and my nose. Now she’s got an awake parent to deal with and a whole lot of ’splainin’ to do.

I just don’t see it.

Pondering, that’s why she didn’t carry out her plan. Casey lives in a fantasyworld. She is not logical. The difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is a sociopath is non organized. Only a sociopath would make the Google searches on the home computer, leave a dead body in her car trunk so long it stunk, abandon the car hoping someone would steal it, borrow a shovel from a neighbor, wait 31 days to say the nanny kidnapped her toddler, pose for photos groping a woman in a hot body contest when she claimed she was searching for her daughter, get a tattoo Beautiful Life and say Caylee was “close to home” after dumping her body 15 doors from the family home.

lol Lily! This just brings us closer! *mwah*

Maybe she had unsuccessfully tried to incapacitate Cindy with chloroform on the night of June 15th when George was at work. There’s usually some truth to every lie from this family. Cindy reportedly tried to choke Casey on that night, something she denies of course. I might try to wring someone’s neck if they came at me from behind with a rag soaked in chloroform. She had told Amy she would have the house to herself by mid to late June. A staged home invasion is not out of the question. It makes more sense that chloroform, household weapons and neck breaking would be used against an adult rather then a toddler. Bigger men then George have been knocked out by chloroform. It’s almost instantaneous. Also she wouldn’t need to bury them in the backyard or anywhere else. She would come home and find them dead. Just like the Mendendez brothers.

Great breakdown of the computer data!

Sally – I will give in on the fantasy possibility Casey ‘may’ have had in her parent’s demise. However, she was very detailed in her conversations with Amy about getting the house, move in dates, etc. This says to me she had SOMETHING to work with.

I don’t think Casey would have considered neck breaking as a way to do in anyone. It doesn’t make sense and Casey is a pretty tiny person. I am more inclined to think that someone referred to her as ‘breaking necks’ as Casey is/was a head turner. She may have googled that term just like she did bustdown but didn’t quite remember the phrase and typed it as neck breaking.

Regarding the photos. I distinctly remember Baez showing J. Strickland some photos at the end of a hearing saying they could be prejudicial against his client. The judge quickly looked through them and stated he definately could see that they would be prejudicial and sealed them on the spot. Maybe I’m not remembering this correctly.

hahahaha a tumor the size of a basketball – ‘but it will just go away because we all know how those pesky basketball sized fibroid tumors are’!

LMAO

PonderingWhy said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:39 }

Yes, you are 100% correct…hold the chloroform there until the person dies…but, you got me thinking more like Casey may have now. Like Sally Says said and I agree; killing her parents was a fantasy of Casey’s. A fantasy that would have come to be if only she could actually come up with a good idea. She is not logical and she does not plan well at all and appears to have very little concept of action/reaction/consequences and how to clean up messes after she’s finished doing what she does. The searches are her TRYING to come up with something. (Not that we can understand or agree with or that she would actually be successful.) She might have looked up breaking necks simply because she was very angry and felt like doing it at that particular time.
Also, from Google search: She might have just been trying to find a musical band again. I don’t know what is right before and right after this search but maybe a search just brought her where it brought her by accident:

#
Break-Neck – Hardcore / Metal Band
Break-Neck is an unsigned Band from Colorado Springs, CO, United States. They focus on Hardcore / Metal music. Their band members include: Gabe, Chris, …
http://www.unsigned.com/break_neck – Cached – Similar
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Break Your Fucking Neck! – Group at Last.fm
Break Your Fucking Neck! group has 325 members at Last.fm. … our shit from Japan yo: http://www.last.fm/music/Centurion+Oath we are a new death-core band …
http://www.last.fm/group/Break+Your+Fucking+Neck! – Cached – Similar

I think Casey’s lies about having the house to herself were just more lies that gave her a fantasy life. Casey had no life so she created a life for herself. She obviously didn’t think far enough ahead to say, ‘what if someone finds out my lies’. When the truth is finally known she’d just twist her story. If the house never became hers then she would tell Amy her parents changed their mind or whatever. No big problem. Just invent another lie to cover the first lie.

» Patriciao said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:10 }

Yeah, that makes sense. I have to go look up “shovel” now in the urban dictionary.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shovel
4. shovel

The male version of hoe. A clumsy player who gets no respect.
Ron is such a shovel. Cindy and Bev would have both ditched him if they weren’t hoes themselves.
3. shovel

To bullshit. (to shovel the shit)
When he said he won the lottery, I knew he was shoveling.
by DJM Feb 25, 2004 share this

Still, the computer searches didn’t indicate a hit on urban dictionary. When you do a straight google search on shovel, you get, well-shovels for sale.

Wow I just have a hard time imagining what happened on June 15/16.

It boggles the mind to imagine ‘lil 100lb Casey jumping Geo and Cin from behind with a chloroform soaked rag, somehow killing them and then staging the scene as if it was a random break-in sometime before or after her little daughter is missing and then found dead and thinking she could somehow get away with it!

I know stranger things have happened and she isn’t ‘all there’ (snark) and all that. Can you imagine what we’d all be writing about if anything like that had happened?

» NosyParker said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:37 }Regarding the photos. I distinctly remember Baez showing J. Strickland some photos at the end of a hearing saying they could be prejudicial against his client. The judge quickly looked through them and stated he definately could see that they would be prejudicial and sealed them on the spot. Maybe I’m not remembering this correctly.

I don’t remember that, but my memory is not always good. Maura would probably remember, if anyone. If that is the case, we’ll never probably never see them. Who knows if they will be entered into evidence in court, they may be awful, but unrelated to the case, too. Anything is possible, I suppose

I agree with you. A little OT but having been through a violent crime LE missed quite a bit of evidence in our home. Socks with the escaped prisoners name on them, knife that was stolen from the prison by escapee, ect. That is why the work that JWG has done is so impressive. Normally, this information would only be known to family members inside the home. But through hard work, Florida Sunshine Laws and amazing investigative skills on the computer JWG has been able to find this information and share it with us in layman’s terms. What a great blog and thank you JWG for all of your hard work that you are willing to share with us. This is a perfect example in the quest of Justice for Caylee!

Pete86047 said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:02 }
I sure hope that this kind of research is sent on to LE in this case. So often I have seen that the public or the victims of a case know far more about the facts than LE who is supposed to present it to the DA. All the hard work you folks have done could very easily go unnoticed by LE or DA.

WSH – I think the Google search for “google” is a mistake and may even have been due to Casey being a little flustered at the fact that Cindy walked in and asked for the help. In other words, Casey hops over to Google saying “sure mom, we can Google-it” and absent-mindedly types in “google”. The correct search was done just three seconds later, indicating an “oops”.

As far as googling shovel. Why in the heck would Casey google that? Isn’t it possible she left a google window open and walked away from the computer? George is in need of a special type of shovel to get rid of those pesky bamboo shoots. He sits down for a quick query at her open window and enters in shovel. In my house we use firefox, IE, google, yahoo whatever is open or readily available on the computer in my family room.

» lily said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:26 }Wow I just have a hard time imagining what happened on June 15/16.It boggles the mind to imagine ‘lil 100lb Casey jumping Geo and Cin from behind with a chloroform soaked rag, somehow killing them and then staging the scene as if it was a random break-in sometime before or after her little daughter is missing and then found dead and thinking she could somehow get away with it!I know stranger things have happened and she isn’t ‘all there’ (snark) and all that. Can you imagine what we’d all be writing about if anything like that had happened?

Okay, it goes like this Lily: Zani and her band of thugs did a push in home invasion, alternatively, they might have used the key that they had. They used chloroform to knock Cindy and George out. Since they forget to bring weapons, they broke their necks with shovels and lamps and then kidnapped Caylee. All of this happened while Casey was at work.

we’ll never probably never see them.

DANG, I meant we’ll probably never see them

We’re all speculating (on so many things that make no sense!), and the ‘kill her parents fantasy’ version of why she searched ‘chloroform’ could certainly be true as anything I’ve come up with. I disagree with that being her intent, but probably because I don’t agree she lived in a fantasyworld. I think she lived in a world with no accountability, and those are two different things.

I don’t believe KC is ‘without reason’ or ‘insane’, or ‘living in a fantasy world and unable to think rationally’. I think she has been taught from childhood that there are no consequences, she’s been able to say anything (no matter how implausable) and not be challenged, and I think this was the first time someone actaully held her accountable for her words and deeds, because this was the first time her mother/family couldn’t explain away the obvious.

But it’s simply different interpretations and foundations on which we form our conclusions. Mine’s no more valid than yours, it’s just the basis on which I speculate about what happened.

Thanks JWG. It did seem odd, though, right?

IMO – the OCSO investigators (from what we can see and imply) has been top-notch. The only disappointment I’ve had from the beginning is the officer that was dispatched after Roy Kronk’s repeated attempts to get them to investigate what he thought he found was a complete and utter disaster.

If only . . . earlier . . . more evidence. This still causes me great distress. On top of the fact that Kronk has now been vilified and raked over the coals. He’s not a saint – he’s just a guy that did the right thing over and over again. And this is how he’s rewarded.

LMAO LMAO LMAO WSH!!! 8)

Maura…
Thanks so much for ‘fixing’ my faltering memory regarding George and the embarrassing photos. Much appreciated.

I guess they could be their little girl Casey doing the pole dance and being giddy while Caylee was missing/dead, and that might be pretty “bad.” I am also open minded to the fact that there might be some that are “worse” than that! Time will tell.

Steffiee…
Maybe Casey was looking at that household weapon stuff because CINDY was getting increasingly violent towards her. I mean, after all, a person might smack their daughter in the mouth in a fit of rage, but who puts their hands on their child’s throat and CHOKES them?!?! C’mon! I guess anything is possible with this group of sociopaths.

OT, but many things about this case haunt me… one in particular is when Cindy says in that condescending (sugar coated spiteful hateful) voice, “I don’t know what your involvement is, Sweetheart.” And Casey says, “You don’t know what my involvement is – are you kidding me?!?!” (paraphrased) That was SO early in the case and it gave me chills, and something in me screamed back, “oh I bet you do know, Cindy!”

So, I am unclear – Have we seen the computer forensics from the laptop? (I am assuming all of this is from the desktop)

JWG- Thank you so much for a great article. We had the information right in front of us and couldn’t figure it out. You made it make sense to me (no easy task by the way ). I, along with a lot of people, was not sure LE could “splain” things to jury. You have made it a simple matter and WOW Cindy is going to be squirming and saying “ya know” even more than usual. Thanks Val- for having JWG . This is the best site ever.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/12/17/cayleecasey-anthony-case-could-the-chloroform-belong-to-george/#more-2955

This helped me understand the escort service searches

Great article!!!!!!

OMG I’m supposed to be working from home today (again I have no discipline).

NotaG said:

OT, but many things about this case haunt me… one in particular is when Cindy says in that condescending (sugar coated spiteful hateful) voice, “I don’t know what your involvement is, Sweetheart.” And Casey says, “You don’t know what my involvement is – are you kidding me?!?!” (paraphrased) That was SO early in the case and it gave me chills, and something in me screamed back, “oh I bet you do know, Cindy!”

I’ve struggled with this for a long time. My FIRST reaction was that Casey was appalled that Cindy might imply that Casey ‘had involvement’ in this? As in – “Are you kidding me?”

But I’ve been thinking more and more that this is Casey’s attempt to blame Cindy – put on the guilt trip that manipulators are so good at doing – by tying it to the ‘alleged’ fight they had on the 15th. I go back and forth between the two since it was very early in the investigation.

Lily

Good points, on all accounts. I’m going to have to do some catching up AGAIN.

Kleat

If you are still here. It would be interesting , on the dogs, if there wasn’t cancer??
Who knows if they went to the vet. We don’t even know if Caylee went to a doctor or with what frequency.

I can’t remember who said that the cadaver dog hits on the back yard could have been from the gas cans that George used while mowing the lawn. They were possibly in the trunk at the same time Caylee’s ‘lil remains were there.

I think this is one of the most brilliant line’s of thought I’ve read in a while. It would explain A LOT!!

justice4u said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:00 }
Thank you WSH, I have been looking all over for them, it appears that he posted them and then removed because they have not really came available to the public, but not sure, why would he remove them, if they had been released to the public?

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The transcripts of Casey’s two recorded OCSO interviews were released in the very first set of discovery on August 25, 2008. The audio files were released on September 17, 2008.

I don’t know why Dominic Casey took them down from his website, but the transcripts and audio files are all over the place.

Notagrandma:

That is my theory (KC searching because of Cindy’s aggression). If you think about all the lies, stealing and stuff that KC did and how she treated her parents. It is really no wonder Cindy would lose it and physically attack KC at some point. In Shirley’s LE interview she discusses the amount of $45,000 on credit cards attributed to KC or maybe George. Cindy had to use her 401K. Cindy was at her ropes end when she finally went to the counselor and sought advice on KC. I think it would take some drastic emotions to move Cindy to the point of seeking help with her “perfect family” image.

I also believe the theft from the grandparents could have happened as early as March. It is never nailed down specifically in the transcript of Shirley’s interview. Maybe someone else can remember if the actual check dates are in evidence that has been released. Regardless, KC was on Cindy’s last nerve and KC’s way of going off when confronted with the truth could have created a very hostile environment. That may be why KC told everyone she didn’t want Caylee in that situation when asked why they were not staying with her parents. Just a little more truth mixed in with her lies.

Remember Cindy’s “My Caylee is Missing” post. There is much more going on and being said in that post than “why have you taken my baby and won’t let me see her?” Jealousy, spite, deceit, trust, all are just below the surface of that message. And then KC’s post in reply “everyone lies, everyone dies”. This does not sound to me like things were going very well at the home prior to June 15th.

Just for the record:
I wanted to know if bamboo was poisonous to dogs so I typed into the search engine (Google, by the way) “bamboo, poisonous, dogs” and this is what I got.
(I just didn’t think of typing in “chlorophyll” because chlorophyll is found in all green leaved plants and I really was just curious about bamboo so that didn’t seem to make much sense to me, I guess.)
Anyway, it seems that dogs are safe when it comes to bamboo plants.
To answer someone’s question:
Bamboo is pretty, is not terribly expensive and grows and spreads very well in Florida and people can’t easily peek past it. Bamboo will grow nicely above the 4′ or 6′ height of fences and will not allow anyone to peek through any spaces between the slats of wood. With a pool, it would be nice for added privacy and some shade, too.

http://www.petfriendlyhouse.com/information/Plants/non_poisonous_plants.aspx

One more thing, as I contemplate the searches in order for March 21st, another thought enters my head. Maybe Ricardo and Casey had a conversation about chloroform. You know, “win her over with chloroform” and all that. The next day Ricardo downloads it, but maybe Casey was looking to protect herself from someone approaching with a rag of chloroform, or she was looking to have a counter (in conversation) with Ricardo regarding this. Maybe he was kidding about having whatever girl by taking her over that way, and Casey thought she’d be ‘armed’ with material to tell him how someone might protect themselves. You know maybe it was all about stupid banter.

In any case, back to topic, it was ridiculously foolhardy for Cindy to attempt to take the rap for that search, especially with the implausibility.

Congrats JWG! Awesome first article.

» WSH said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:14 }
» Patriciao said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:10 }

Yeah, that makes sense. I have to go look up “shovel” now in the urban dictionary.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shovel
4. shovel

The male version of hoe. A clumsy player who gets no respect.
Ron is such a shovel. Cindy and Bev would have both ditched him if they weren’t hoes themselves.
3. shovel

To bullshit. (to shovel the shit)
When he said he won the lottery, I knew he was shoveling.
by DJM Feb 25, 2004 share this

LMAO! SEE thats what i was talking about NO ONE calls ANYONE a freakin shovel thats crazy urban dictionary is crazy

Hey “CHOP”

Maybe we aren’t hipsters and calling someone a “shovel” is the coolest thing on earth today!

NAh, Just “shoveling” over here!

JWG, You computer geek! Great job! I think Cindy will have a Homer Simpson moment on this one I can see her DUH! Hit on the head …Awesome JWG …Cleared alot up for me. Val , TY for letting JWG shine thru.. I sure hope the right people are looking now!hahahaha

uhg the only thing about bamboo I learned the hard way after my neighbor planted it along their fence for privacy to their nude sunbathing by the pool is that it spreads like wildfire. Luckily for us this is a same-sex couple who became very good friends and great neighbors and they have their own lawn care people take care of it for us on a regular basis at their cost!

Yes, I think diversity makes the world a better place.

when u type bust down into google “bust down urban dicitionary” is one of the selections that automatically pops up before your even done typing. I would refrain from using urban dictionary to know the “urban” meaning of random words. Its for fun people not gospel

Excellent review, JWG. Looking forward to another in the future. Thanks again.

Chop

I don’t even understand the first definition- how a clumsy player is shovel? The second one, at least, makes some sense.

LOL WSH i consider myself hip so if shovel is the new in thing i have to go contemplate my life

LOL!!

We are way off topic, but . . .

Re: Casey’s story about getting the house

Sometimes Casey lies to get out of an unpleasant duty as when she lied about George’s mini-stroke to get out of driving Amy to Jacksonville. Sometimes she lies out of desperation as when she lied about Caylee’s kidnapping babysitter. And sometimes she lies to impress people whose good opinion she wants. Whatever the reason for the lie, she gets a thrill out of deceiving people and seeing how far she can take the lie and get away with it. I do not, however, think she ever believes her own stories. She knows they’re lies and doesn’t forget that they’re lies.

I’ve read many comments on discussion forums left by people who believe Casey had a plan worked out to kill George and Cindy and that the proof of her plotting is in Casey’s story that Cindy and George were divorcing and Cindy would be letting Casey take over the mortgage payments. As I look at the available evidence, this was simply part of an evolving lie that Casey told to impress Amy Huizenga.

In May, Amy Huizenga learned that the Oviedo house owned by Troy’s grandparents that she was renting with Troy was going to be sold, so she needed to find a new place to live. From Amy’s available text messages, Casey pretended to be about to buy a house of her own and offered to let Amy live with her and help with the mortgage.

13-May (9:59am)Casey to Amy: The bright side to that..im going to need a roommate. As much as i would like to do the house thing alone and extra 400 would save me from working a few e [rest of message cut off].

19-May Amy to Troy: Im at work. Whats up?

19-May (6:01pm) Troy to Amy: My grandparents called and said that someone gave a verbal offer on the house, an offer they would take once in writing.

19-May Amy to Troy: Moving time I guess

19-May (6:05pm) Troy to Amy: Well there suppose to make it in writing tomorrow, but nothings official until its written, if so the tentative move in date would be june 18th.

19-May Amy to Troy: Alright. At least we have time

19-May (6:07pm) Troy to Amy: If this happens, what r ur plans?

19-May Amy to Troy: Thinking now. There are a few poss. Ill have to figure it out

19-May Amy to 954-494-7592 (Father): There is an offer in on the house that is likely to go thru. Ill be homeless june 18th.

19-May Amy to Casey: There is an offer in on the house that is likely to go thru. Ill be homeless june 18th.

19-May (6:14pm) Casey to Amy: Ill be in a place by then. You can stay with me. Im looking at a place tomorrow with my mom that i might be signing on.

19-May Amy to Casey: When are you going? If its in the afternoon I could join and see the place too. Plus your mom could meet me and know her daughter and grandkid are going to live with a crazy person

19-May (6:14pm) Troy to Amy: We’ll talk more about this when ur off work

19-May Amy to Troy: Okie. It will all work out. There is time.

19-May (8:38pm) Casey to Amy: Haha she already knows that youre crazy im calling my mom when i get out. Ill text you with the exact time. Its off of conway and michigan.

19-May Amy to Casey: Sweet!

19-May (11:10pm) Casey to Amy: Im totally going to find a badass hat to start wearing on wednesdays. Hopefully you can come this week. Ill have your mulah and we can meet some new cute boys. There were plenty last week!

19-May Amy to Casey: It depends when I get out. I have to work early on thurs so I should be responsible. Only 3 more early mornings! Soon ill be able to go out more

19-May (11:14pm) Casey to Amy: Awesome! Im hoping for the same.

19-May Amy to Casey: My interview is thurs. Going home right after work!

19-May (11:15pm) Casey to Amy: Awesome! Good luck hun!

20-May Amy to Casey: Do you have a time for today yet! Im kinda excited

20-May (9:13am) Casey to Amy: Not yet. Waiting for the homeowner to call me back. Im excited too!

20-May Amy to Casey: Im also trying to think of some of the bigger items I have in storage and what we can maybe use and what ill still have to store someplace. Coffee table, end table, kitchen table, and chairs, and an entertainment stand. I pretty much have whatever we need…so anything you want to save some money on and get later, ive more than likely got it

20-May (10:29am) Casey to Amy: Thats awesome! Im going to call the lady now.

20-May (10:41am) Casey to Amy: She said tomorrow will be better. What time do you work?

20-May Amy to Casey: Not til 6pm

20-May (10:43am) Casey to Amy: Awesome. Ill be out around noon. She said anytime between noon and 5 is good.

20-May Amy to Casey: Awesome! Way excited!

20-May (10:45am) Casey to Amy: me too!!

20-May (11:04am) from 9542602278: Ok well work it out

20-May (11:10am) from 9542602278: Danka

20-May Amy to Casey: If this place works out do you know about when we’d be in? I’m trying to figure out a timeline for life

20-May (11:33am) Casey to Amy: The house is already pretty much empty. She said we can move in the same day. Its up to us

20-May Amy to Casey: Wow. I might not have to pay june storage!

20-May (11:35am) Casey to Amy: That would help im sure! Theres an inground pool with a fenced in porch and backyard. Its a great starting house.

20-May Amy to Casey: Awesome! Pools are always fun. I was sad at first about moving, but I think this will be so much better!

20-May (11:42am) Casey to Amy: You will be so much closer to everything and everyone. Is troy going to stay at caras?

20-May Amy to Casey: He’s not sure. He was actually thinking of moving home

However, every time Amy tried to set a date to look at the place, Casey came up with an excuse (had to work late, had the flu, etc.). Casey had to keep putting her off because there was no house Casey was planning to buy.

21-May (8:11am) Casey to Amy: Im definitely sick

21-May Amy to Casey: Oh no! Stop that! Are we still going to look at that place?

21-May (10:30am) Casey to Amy: Im going to call the lady in a few minutes. Im headed to the doctors now. I hate this!

21-May Amy to Casey: You havent even been going out either

21-May (10:33am) Casey to Amy: Nope. Twice since i was sick last month. But i have been working a lot. I put in almost 60 hours last week. I think its the flu. Ill know soon.

21-May Amy to Casey: Just don’t take fly pills and ride in a bus!

21-May (10:35am) Casey to Amy: Haha ill remember that! What a great house

21-May Amy to Casey: That it was. So I am going to run home to shower and do laundry. Ill work on interview stuff til we know when we are going

21-May (1:16pm) Casey to Amy: Can i raincheck seeing the house? I just got back from the drs and dont feel too hot at all. Stupid flu

21-May Amy to Casey: Totally. Get better. Do it when you can if I can go awesome if not its all good

21-May (1:21pm) Casey to Amy: Well i would love for you to be there. We will figure it out. Im taking the day to rest as much as possible.

21-May Amy to Casey: Good. Tom im out bc of the interview but fri is good. Get better

21-May (1:23pm) Casey to Amy: Thanks love! Cant wait to hear about the interview

23-May Amy to Casey: Just up from nap. What happened? And whats with going to look at that place?

23-May (4:02pm) Casey to Amy: Im honestly not feeling up to doing anything now. I dont want to keep putting it off but its going to have to be later this weekend.

23-May Amy to Casey: I cant now anyway. Got to shower and go back to work. I just need to know you are serious about it. I have a date looming where I wont have a home and I need to know where Im going soon. Its scary.

23-May (4:07pm) Casey to Amy: Trust me. Im serious. Ive been to this house 4 times already. Im pretty set. I asked the homeowner to wait til the end of the month so i can get every thing warranted

23-May Amy to Casey: Ok. I totally trust you, just wanted to make sure. Ive never been in this position before. I don’t like it.

Casey left the following on Amy’s Facebook at 11:28am on May 24th, 2008:

“so i think i forgot to tell you that

1. you are awesome.
2. boys are stupid.
3. ‘bow ties, let’s find some HOT guys’ night is in the works
4. this week, we’re going to the house. i don’t care when, or how.

Casey sent Amy a text message on May 26 indicating Casey would show her the house the following day:

26-May (10:37PM) Casey to Amy: House tomorrow. And a good guy will find you. No looking.. well.. maybe a little looking.

However, to get out of showing Amy the non-existent house Casey was pretending to be buying, on the morning of May 27 (the day she had finally agreed to show Amy the house), Casey send Amy a message saying she had awesome news that she would share with Amy after work.

27-May (9:36AM) Casey to Amy: I have the biggest news..and i mean huge! Ill call you when i get done this afternoon. Wow..seriously amazingly awesome news! Hope the added suspense helps

From the text messages that follow, it is clear that Casey had fed Amy the story that George and Cindy were divorcing and that Cindy was going to get a condo, letting Casey take over the mortgage payments on the Anthonys’ Hopespring Drive house.

28-May (3:39pm) Casey to Amy: Good news. We have an excuse to get all your stuff out of storage. We will eventually need a pretty decent amount of stuff

28-May Amy to Casey: Yay! Now im as happy as you. And I did everything on my list today! I may start on tomorrows!

28-May (3:42pm) Casey to Amy: Nice! Ive been productive today too. It feels good!

28-May Amy to Casey: That it does. My car has seats now! Im going to get it detailed after this trip

28-May (3:45pm) Casey to Amy: Awesome!

28-May Amy to Casey: Everything is clean for me to leave. And then pack deep clean and leave! I feel like this will be such an easy move but a long unpack. We will have all month that we can leave my stuff in storage. If you wanted to do anything that requires space. Or a place to put whatever. Ill keep it until the end of june

28-May (3:52pm) Casey to Amy: Thats perfect. If anything once we move my stuff into my parents room we can use my room for storage and the garage too. There will be plenty of room.

Casey kept up the pretense of getting the Hopespring house for a month.

3-Jun (5:03pm) Casey to Amy: So i found the perfect place for us to stock up on essentials for really cheap!

4-June (7:33am) Casey posted the following on Amy’s Facebook wall :

“oh, the times we will have!

i can’t wait for us to become roomies in another week! seriously…by the end of next week, it will be just us girls. i can’t believe it! ”

Amy started sleeping on the couch at Ricardo and JP’s house around June 7 because although her belongings were still at the Oviedo house, she and Troy had to vacate.

From June 16 until June 30, Casey stayed at Tony Lazzaro’s full time, and during that period, she continued to string Amy along with the story of getting the Anthony house. Around the middle of June, Amy sent a text to Casey saying her things were nearly all packed and wanting to know when it would be okay to move her things over to the Anthony house. From Amy’s LE testimony, whenever Amy would ask Casey when she could move her things to Hopespring Drive, Casey would tell her George insisted on getting something fixed first, however, Casey let Amy put in a change of address at the post office on June 17. Casey sent her the address by text, still pretending as if she were getting the house:

17-June Amy Casey: What is your address? I’m going to the post office to do a change of address in a little bit.

17-June (11:28am) Casey to Amy: 4937 Hopespring Drive, Orlando, FL 32829

17-June Amy to Casey: Thanks!

17-June (3:15pm) Casey left the following on Amy’s Facebook :

“cheer up me lady! i love you and can’t wait to finally get you moved in”

Amy was getting anxious to move her things out of the Oviedo house and into the Anthony house and had hoped to move no later than June 21, but Casey would not allow her to move her packed items to Hopespring Drive.

24-June (2:40pm) Casey left the following on Troy’s Facebook:

“she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven’t even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i’ll fill ya in later on.

24-June (2:47pm) Amy left the following on Troy’s Facebook:

“I’m still at Ricardo and JPs… hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late… any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?”

Finally, Amy was expecting to move into the Anthony house on Saturday, June 28.

25-June (9:08PM) Casey to Amy: What time saturday?

25-June (12:09PM) from 4075956337 to Amy: When u moving this wknd? i gotta do something sat early afternoon

It would seem (going by Amy’s LE interviews) that on June 26 or 27, Casey broke the sad news to Amy that Cindy legally had 30 days to revoke the house offer to Casey and had done so. Cindy and George were still getting a divorce, but Casey wasn’t going to get the house.

Since Amy was not allowed to move her things to the Anthony house but had to have everything out of the Oviedo house, she put her belongings in a temporary storage facility while continuing to sleep on JP and Ricardo’s couch. It’s clear from the “camera” messages on June 29 that Amy had already been told Casey was not getting the house.

29-June (10:25am) Casey to Amy: Can i borrow you and your gas can today?

29-June Amy to Casey: “Storage hun. I was supposed to have my stuff out by now.”

29-June (11:24am) Casey to Amy: Shit. I forgot.

29-June Amy to Casey: Sorry! Hey, my camera is being shipped to your house. What should I do about that?

29-June (12:38pm) Casey to Amy: How soon?

29-June Amy to Casey: I don’t know. Once it’s fixed?

29-June (2:46pm) Casey to Amy: I wasnt sure if it was already done. Have it sent to the house. I have a lot of details to fill you in on. Ill call you later on.

Tony went to NY from June 30 to July 5 on his Full Sail University break, and he did not leave Casey with a key to his apartment. Casey stayed with Amy at JP’s on the nights of July 1-July 4 (during which period she stole Amy’s $400 cash). Since Casey and Amy were spending so much time together during those days, there is not much in Amy’s text messages to indicate what Casey was telling her about future housing arrangements.

According to Amy’s July 23 OCSO interview, Casey talked about getting an apartment, and while there was some talk of sharing an apartment together, Amy said she had already made other arrangements.

10-July (8:47am) “So im looking at a couple more places today and finding a flight tonight.”

The next day, July 11, Casey told Troy Brown she could not go to Puerto Rico because she needed to get a place to live and a new car.

We know she was not looking at rentals or new cars because she had no money – she was just keeping up the pretence while the clock ran down. Tony, Nathan, and Cameron’s Sutton Place lease was up at the end of July and they were planning to move to a new complex. Since Tony had not given Casey his apartment key when he went to NY in early July, she was probably hoping she could stay with Tony in his new apartment in early August, but was not sure that she could.

Moreover, the longer she continued to live apart from Caylee, the more suspicion she raised, so he had to pretend to be looking for a living situation in which she could be with Caylee. But Caylee was dead and Casey’s Day of Reckoning was coming. She knew she would not be able to put off Cindy and George after August 9, Caylee’s third birthday, and she didn’t even have that long because Cindy found her first.

During the ride to Tony’s apartment on July 15, Amy told Cindy what Casey had said about getting the house, and Cindy said she and George were not divorcing but that she had told Casey she might have to sell the house because it was difficult for her to make the mortgage payments. I suspect that subject came up during one of many arguments when Cindy was venting her fury at having to cover for Casey’s stealing, and in fact, it may have come up in early May when Cindy found out about the $354 Casey had stolen from Alex Plesea’s checking account. That statement by Cindy about possibly needing to move because she couldn’t make the mortgage payments was IMO the tiny kernel of truth upon which Casey built her story to Amy that Cindy was moving out and letting Casey take over the mortgage payments.

So my opinion is that Casey concocted the lie about getting the Anthony house because she had backed herself into a corner by pretending to be buying a house herself and then needed a way out of that lie without losing face. Casey couldn’t let her new friends find out that she was an unemployed, high school drop-out so broke she needed to steal gas. She was pretending to be superwoman: a young, single mother who was a full-time event planner, college student, and house-hunter with $15,000 in savings. Casey could not allow a realtor to run a background employment check on her, and Casey certainly didn’t have money for a security deposit, rent, and utilities. So she concocted a story about getting the Anthony house in order to buy her enough time to force Amy to find another arrangement. Nothing more than that.

Great Work! Thanks JWG for putting this in terms my simple mind can process

I was a young mother and I completely sympathize with all young mothers- I know first hand how hard it is to watch your friends live life so freely while you have to make responsible decisions and miss out on things that seem so important at a young age.
Of course now I know my decision to “miss out” then were nothing compared to the moments I now am so greatful for.
I am proud to say I have a 16 yr old handsome, loving, lawyer in the making, smart arse, food vaccuum, trash collecting, barely passing school, young man! I wouldn’t take one second back- I thank God every day that I “missed out” on things with people I don’t even see anymore and withstood the “pain” of having the responsibility of rasing a child.
My mother was (is) a pain in the ARSE- she is an amazing woman, but she still thinks I need her assistance in raising my children She was much like Cindy was with Casey-she wanted to know where I was at all times-especially if she was watching my son. I must say I was much more responsible than Casey (even though I was much younger), but there were times I wanted to be “free” and my mom would babysit.
There were so many times when I would cry myself to sleep and wonder why, why me? What if? What if this had never happened to me? I had visions of what life would have been had I not faced this situation. I NEVER once thought for ONE second that my life would be better without my precious baby, just maybe easier, for both of us. Even though it was tough I still adored him-Even though I had my self pitty moments of poor, poor, pitiful me, waaa, waaa, waaa! I always found myself realizing that I was actually the LUCKY one!
Babies require sacrafice no matter what age you are when you have them…..period.
They are a sacrafice that pays back infinity x’s infinity and so on.

Sorry to get OT, but I guess I feel such a connection to this case because I too was sitting where Casey was- I felt the heart ache of struggle and responsibility. I had a controlling mother (a much better version though- whom I adore and respect). I was beautiful, built well and young and longed for the fun times of my youth. I lived with the “what if’s” and “shoulda, coulda, woulda’s”! My son was and is the whole reason I got through those times- he is the reason I am where I am today! He was a gift to me and he changed my life! I thank God for him everyday- I still don’t know what I did to desserve him.
Although I feel a connection to Casey’s situation, there is one thing she will never know- she will never reap the benefit of the “hard times”. She will never know what she really missed out on! I actually feel sorry for her because I know now what it was all for and how sad my life would have been without my son- she will never know that about herself.
I must add that I have a beautiful seven year old daughter, but her story is much less dramatic……so far 8)

But Casey did use the urban dictionary to look up bustdown, so someone must have used the phrase, or Casey heard the rap song that Lily found.

“Okay, it goes like this Lily: Zani and her band of thugs did a push in home invasion, alternatively, they might have used the key that they had. They used chloroform to knock Cindy and George out. Since they forget to bring weapons, they broke their necks with shovels and lamps and then kidnapped Caylee. All of this happened while Casey was at work”.

LOL!! If you stop and think about it this scenario makes about as much sense as the Zanni story(s).

NosyParker said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:37 }
Regarding the photos. I distinctly remember Baez showing J. Strickland some photos at the end of a hearing saying they could be prejudicial against his client. The judge quickly looked through them and stated he definately could see that they would be prejudicial and sealed them on the spot. Maybe I’m not remembering this correctly.

*****

It was a hearing on March 2, 2009.

Baez argued that hundreds of embarrassing photos from Casey’s Photobucket account should be kept from the public because they were too prejudicial. He only wanted to allow the release of photos the SAO planned to use at trial.

The SAO said they didn’t care. The lawyer for the Orlando Sentinel said they wanted the photos released.

Judge Strickland ruled that the photos would be released, and they were released. None of them were sealed.

***

Other than the autopsy photos which have to be sealed from the public by law, the only thing Strickland has “sealed from the public” is the December 11 jail videotape when Casey reacted to the news that a child’s remains had been found in the woods on Suburban Drive.

Maura thanks for the clarifications on the photos. I was just picturing J. Strickland flipping through them, agreeing they could be prejudicial. Reading through all of the text messages re housing, I must agree with you. Just another of Casey’s scams.

100% Agree Maura

WSH – i am betting she heard the song or tony referenced (lol) the song since tony and co were dj/promoters and were into rap/hip hop

Maura:”She knows they’re lies and doesn’t forget that they’re lies.”

CRITICAL POINT, Maura, as you and I have discussed in the past. Boy, what a cruel joke she played on Amy. Also, she owed Amy money, as you posted in that particular dialogue.

You know what though Maura, sometimes it does get to the point where liars kill to conceal lies, like the British guy and the guy who claimed he was going to med school,who killed their families (and both of their names escape me at the moment). But I’m not really of the opinion that Casey planned to kill her parents either.

» NosyParker said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:37 }
Regarding the photos. I distinctly remember Baez showing J. Strickland some photos at the end of a hearing saying they could be prejudicial against his client. The judge quickly looked through them and stated he definately could see that they would be prejudicial and sealed them on the spot. Maybe I’m not remembering this correctly.

When the photos came up on this thread I thought the same thing. But my memory is real bad and I don’t know where I would even start to look for it. So I am saying that yeah I do think there are photos sealed by JS. Thank you NosyParker.

Does anyone recall one or more veterinarians being on the witness list??

Maura – I heart you. My suspicion has been all along that Casey and Cindy had a conversation of some sort of Cindy not being able to or not wanting to pay the mortgage on the Hopesprings home. This is the ’seed’ to the ‘fantasy’ ‘lies’ and manipulation of Amy’s predicament of becoming homeless. Amy was obviously in distress over this situation – and Casey wanted to ride in on the white horse and save the day. If only in her mind.

RE: Urban dictionary…OH, I get the first definition now (slow on the uptake). Shovel is the equivalent gardening tool….vs hoe.

Nickel
I think you are correct about the vets, but aren’t they “expert witnesses”?

Oh and the Salt Lake City hubby that killed his wife and put her in a dumpster after finding out he was not the ’scholar and gentleman’ he claimed to be. She found out about his deceit and then had to ‘go’ in his mind. Oh the horror of some twisted minds never ceases to amaze me.

WSH,
I was not sure but think you are correct. Thanks. Interesting to find out if they are testifying about the cadaver dogs or something else all together.

WSH_
You have me laughing out loud with the Zani home invasion shovel and lamp neck breaking!! I love it!!

Thanks, JWG, for your fantastic work!! And thanks too to all posters whose wonderful insights make this site so fabulous.

Maura, thanks so much for posting all the info on house arrangements that never took place.
Whatever brought this whole game alive for Casey…she is one cruel and manipulative individual. Yes, I know very well that that is obvious but I am still amazed at times at her way of thinking and how far she takes things. She goes to so much effort to lie that I just can’t relate in any way to it.
Yet, I have to admit, you are probably very correct (and most logical) in your assumptions.
She is still an enigma to me. No, more like a deviant mutant, actually.

The guys name was Scott but the last name escapes me (not Peterson)

» Janielane said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:08 }
But if the searches for escort services were done using the Casey account, which was used by George and Cindy, wouldn’t it be either George or Cindy doing those searches?

Blink did a piece on George surfing habits: http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/12/17/cayleecasey-anthony-case-could-the-chloroform-belong-to-george/#more-2955

Hope it’s ok to post that.

And as far as Neck-Breaking. It seems that some sites were speculating that it could have something to do with “Breaking Necks” which was some kind of a Truck Club or something. IDK – I never really got it.

Wonderful explanation. I have a question, though, I have never understood why ’shovel’ was searched. Any ideas?

OT Note to Lily:

Speaking of the Houston area and tumors… do you know of Layla Grace? My heart breaks for that little cutie and her family.

GREAT POST! Yes, one should always make an attempt at the correct spelling! Actually, there’s a LOT of that kind of thing with Cindy- you can easily squeeze 2 or 3 more posts out of just that one interview!

Hey JWG…

Thank you so much!…

I had heard conflicting reports regarding when ” missing children” websites were searched on both computers…Do you happen to know what the story is in that “brain-i-ac” mind of yours?….thanks ivoire

I think many of you have hit the nail on the head about KC. I do not think she planned anything. I think she may have been driven in fits of rage or dispair to look up info, but to plan and be cunning, I don’t think she was smart enough. She lived in the moment and told whatever lies would get her through the moment using just enough real information as it stuck in her mind from real events or people.

That is what makes this case to difficult to understand. We, being planners and thinkers, can not reconcile all the stories dusted with just enough truth to make our heads spin. We want to understand how a precious baby girl could be murdered and toss aside like yesterdays trash and the people who supposedly love her are covering a protecting the murderer. Casey just said what she had to say to get out of the moment (and look good in the process). I think that is a trait we are seeing/have seen from Cindy. That is why their stories don’t hold up under a magnifying glass because there is no fore thought to what they say. Stuff is spewed just to get through the moment. I believe that is a character trait of a sociopath.

The truth of what happened is more than likely another instance of spur-of-the-moment thinking and actions on KCs part and the A’s are just saying whatever to create reasonable doubt in the minds of people who can not fathom a mother being like KC.

Ten discs worth of DNA charts to be released next week (Wednesday) in discovery.

Clear your calenders Val, JWG and Maura. Someone will have to explain all of this if there is no narrative or interpretation attached.

DNA charts? Hmmmm.

http://www.wftv.com/news/22753702/detail.html

OT with the gas cans being the source of cadaver dog hits.

In the Scott Peterson trial it was brought up that the tarp that allegedly was used to cover Lacy’s body was moved to the shed and the gas weed eater was placed on top of it and the smell of gas has on the tarp. This was brought up because it was claimed the dogs could not hit on the tarp because gasoline interferes with the dogs ability to smell human remains. If that is true, I don’t know that the gas can theory could be plausible if the cans had any gas leaked out on them.

One statement in discovery about the back yard was that early on when the Anthonys had LE in their back yard, LE found a spot beside the pool (I was thinking on the back side) that had the ground disturbed. LE took a shovel and tried to dig but the roots were too think and they came to the conclusion that no one could have buried anything in that spot. Now, if KC had at one time thought to bury Caylee in the back yard, she would have backed the car into the garage, borrowed the neighbors shovel and attempted to dig a spot. If she came up against the same roots she would have aborted that idea, returned the shovel (in less than 1.5 hours as the neighbor estimated) and placed Caylee back in the trunk. It may have been at that time that she bagged Caylee (that was the 18th or 19th so it was just two or three days after death). I would imagine that KC had not looked in her trunk after placing Caylee’s body in there so she realized at that point that she would need to clean up. I think she may have bagged Caylee to bury her in the yard and then added the laundry bag when she realized it wouldn’t work. The laundry bag would have been right there in site in the garage.

We will probably never really know how it went down, but I still feel her first thought was to bury Caylee in the yard at home where no one would suspect or accidently find it. She could have used pool chemicals to mask the smell. There was always the story of digging up bamboo roots/shoots to explain a frest hole in the yard if anyone went around the pool and wondered about it. Based on what we do know, it seem a safe bet to conclude that KC did not put very much thought into the whole deed. If so, she would have had many, many options of disposing of Caylee’s body were it would never have been found.

It’s in discovery that the $354 check Casey stole from Alex Plesea’s checking account was cashed on April 10, 2008.

Shirley said she found out about the stolen check around the end of April, beginning of May.

I think what has fascinated me was the little fantasyworld that Casey created for her friends and family.

In reality, Casey Anthony was an unemployed high school dropout and single mother who lived at home with her parents and stole money from the friends and family .

To the outside world, Casey Anthony pretended to be:

1- A college student
2- An employee of Sports Authority and Universal Studios.
3- A mother who had her own nanny who took her toddler to the beach and Disneyworld.
5- And money enough to buy her own home.

What amazed me was that Casey had created her own little fantasyworld with an office at Universal Studio, two coworkers named Juliette and Jeff, a nanny named Zani, who watched his kid, Zachary, and who had roommates named Rachel and can’t remember the others name, a sister named Samantha who had two kids and a mother named Gloria. She even created an age, birthday, and description of this fictional nanny who on July 15 she revealed the real name of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.

Casey was a good con because she was a pathological liar and a sociopath. She bonded with no one so she didn’t have any qualms about who she lied to, stole from or murdered. When Caylee got in the way of her freedom, she eliminated her. I am sure if she hadn’t been arrested, she may have murdered George and Cindy also.

I didn’t know of Layla Grace until just now LuLu. I just went to laylagrace.org and quite frankly the last post from her Father put me into full-on tears. Oh my, the baby’s pain is quite unbearable to imagine. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Not only to remember how lucky I am to have had 4 healthy boys – but to remember how hard life can be when you’re a parent and your job is to make everything ok for your kids – and you can’t. Heartbreaking.

WSH –

Ricardo was asked if he and Casey ever talked about chloroform, and he said they never did.

Casey Anthony makes Patty McCormick of ” The Bad Seed ” look like a girl scout

» Maura said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 01:03:02 WSH –Ricardo was asked if he and Casey ever talked about chloroform, and he said they never did.

Well there goes that. Unless Ricardo is somehow made out to be a less than credible witness.

Mark Hacking is the guy from Utah who killed his wife, and Neil Entwistle is the guy from England who killed his wife and baby daughter.

Maura

Do you have that saved on the desktop too? Your computer must move at a snail’s pace unless you have the equivalent of Google’s servers in your den.

Just kidding. Thank you, and you are correct , as usual.

Make some room for the DNA charts, will you?

Does anyone know or has anyone ever seen a report on Caylee’s doctor visits? We know that Casey most likely didn’t seek prenatal care until shortly before delivery. Babies have a pretty busy schedule of doctor visits and shots for the first couple of years. I know that Casey said Caylee was never sick, but we still don’t know if she was taken to regular well-baby check-ups. It’s pretty expensive for all those appointments and shots. Wonder how (or if) they were paid for. Was Caylee on Cindy’s insurance? And if so, why wouldn’t she be on her mother’s insurance from her wonderful job as an event planner? And why wouldn’t Cindy question whether Casey had health insurance? And if Caylee wasn’t on any insurance, how did the bills get paid? Or did they? Or did Cindy give Casey money and Casey just went out and blew it on new clothes? Curious.

Sorry for my post above. After I hit the submit button, I realized I was totally off-topic here and should have posted elsewhere.

This may not lead to anything but I will post my thoughts anyway.. and leave it to you guys that knows a whole lot more than I do. I hope I can convey it in a way that you will know what I mean.. But Casey and Lee seems to speak in codes at times. When I visited Urban Dictionary, it dawned on me that teenagers use words that only they know what it means.. Such as the ones mentioned earlier, like Bustdown, capstar. So I decided to type in a few words and peoples name that I could remember Casey saying. I found this to be interesting since I could see Casey using these terms. I don’t know how to make sense of it but I was hoping someone could check it out and hopefully come up with something that would help. Sorry for being too wordy but it was the only way I could explain..

SDavidson

Sorry to read your tragedy. I will pray for you and yours

Justice4u said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:43 }

Hope these are the statements you are talking about, hope it helps.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036055/2008-0716-Casey-Anthony-Police-Interview-at-Universal-Studios-1320-Hours
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036028/2008-0716-Casey-Anthony-Police-Interview-0411-Hours
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6280611/interview-with-Casey-by-y-mulich-fdle

JwG – great article! Thank you for bringing clarity to this issue.

Maura – thank you for finally clearing up this issue with the ‘bad’ photos. I agree with you completely that these are nothing more than the photos we have already seen.

Valhall – what a great place you have here! I haven’t been able to comment much but I read everything you write. Like coffee in the morning its the first thing I reach for.

Also, Silver – thank you for every bit of input you give. Invaluable!

We are due to get some new information by Wednesday, says the media ….10 discs of DNA charts among it.

<< muttering to self… why can't I be as smart as the Hinky Team people??? Oh well, if I keep hanging around here, while sitting here reading … mouth agape, at least I might learn… if there is ant active brain cells left that have the ability to absorb. Val & company along with commenter's … you are all so awesome.

5 stars.. kudos… just based on this alone is grounds IMHO to charge the Anthony’s. If SE is building a so called substantial case on Murder 1 … so can it build a case upon the Anthony family. I’m enjoying this site and all your comments more and more. This has made it to my check it out every day list. Kudos to all involved.

Hey everyone, just an FYI….Hal is reporting that documents will be released on Wednesday from the State…10 disks of DNA graphes.

FRG, yes! Thank you, thank you, thank you…its hard to take the time to find this stuff to refresh myself …I’m at work…

Thanks JWG for article and also Maura for timeline of KC/Amy house plans.

I believe alot of KC’s world was derived from what she was watching on tv by March of 2008, as well as the influence of the new group of friends. By that time KC wasn’t doing much besides watching tv all day while hanging out with Caylee, right? Surfing the web, watching tv.

Researching just now I found comment on another blog from 12/08 where somebody pointed out that in one of the jailhouse vids, KC refers to Caylee as her “constant” which is a particular term from the series “Lost” (Can anyone verify?). Also her obsession with One Tree Hill and the similarity of the nanny description. Maybe some of the terms KC was looking up were from shows she was watching, soaps, etc. I have always felt that KC had withdrawn into a complete parallel world derived from television and movies. I think it was Ryan P who said in his interview with LE that KC/s grasp of reality was slim. Sorry I am paraphrasing everything this a.m. Gotta get some work done, can’t look anything up right now. If I had gobs of time I would watch some of the shows that aired that Spring and see if KC wasn’t “inspired” by more of that material at the time.

JWG .. i know i sound like an echo here—-but thank you!

..i FINALLY understand the ins and outs of the computer searches!

..i love it that there is absolute proof that NO searches were done using cindy’s misspelled ‘chorophil’——-and that LDB was clever enough to actually have cindy write it on a piece of paper and enter it as evidence in her state depo. ( in the very likely event that cindy would “forget” come trial. )

Does anyone think that Bias passes all this evidence that the state has against Casey to Casey. I really think this girl is in the dark about how much they have on her. Does anyone think that her lawyer is on a ride that he does not want to stop and thats why we have no plea. This family will be whipped all over that court room floor when all this is said and done.

I appreciate all the hard work The Hinky Meter and friends have done. Justice will be served.

Justice4U said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 02:03:25 }

..Justice, a great place to find ALL of the interviews, and everything you could be looking for is right on this site!

..right hand column—-Library——Timeline and Discovery , it’s intense !!

Bravo, JWG. Thanks for the great article.

“Since they forget to bring weapons, they broke their necks with shovels and lamps…” OMG WSH LOL!!!!!

WOW – Thank you Val and JWG and commentators. I love how y’all are able to ‘dumb it down’ for folks like me. Each time I hug and kiss my grandchildren, I give an extra squeeze and smooch for Caylee and all children that should still be here.

I noticed an interesting thing in Maura’s post above where she quotes the texts and FB posts. On May 19, Amy says to Casey “Soon I’ll be able to go out more.” Casey texts back, “I’m hoping the same.”

Less than a month later, she was actually able to do that.

JWG: Your comment » Mar 5, 2010 – 09:03:39 } that you had not seen the win her over poster: I just did a google search, typed in win her over, and bam, google supplied the rest of the target location. Google KNEW what I was looking for before I could finish asking!

BTW, those ‘unallocated’ search results aren’t so hard to find anymore. There is some software called BitFlare that will let you search the whole computer (including unallocated space) for free, and its easy to use-lots of clicking ‘yes’ and ‘next’!

JWG–Thank you for a most excellent post! And thank you, Val, for inviting JWG to post. That was mighty humble of you (you are so adored by all the Meter Readers), and it speaks volumes to your character! As others have said, if you/we all have access to this, how much more must the Prosecution have? If I was a jury member, JWG, your explanation would have persuaded me as to the surfing personalities and habits of each Anthony. Very logical and thorough. Can’t forget the image of Caylee sitting on Cindy’s lap looking at baby animal pics……..you’re correct, Cindy fouled that beautiful memory.

Maura said:{ Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:52 }

17-June (3:15pm) Casey left the following on Amy’s Facebook :

“cheer up me lady! i love you and can’t wait to finally get you moved in”

Note the date. “Cheer me up?” Could this be the only documented morsel of remorse Casey has ever leaked out? Why would Casey need cheering up? Her major problem was “gone”, and she was living with Tony. Could it be that she sensed that the whole house of cards was going to come down? And STILL she is stringing along Amy about housing. Cruel on SO many levels.

Oops….not remorse, on second thought, nor regret. More self-pity. “My life is so terrible…I have all these problems you don’t know about….cheer me up.”

Maura said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 01:03:01 }
It’s in discovery that the $354 check Casey stole from Alex Plesea’s checking account was cashed on April 10, 2008.

Shirley said she found out about the stolen check around the end of April, beginning of May.
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..which leads me to believe “the fight” was about something else entirely, since the chq. thing had been handled weeks before ..

..in grandma shirley’s YM / FBI interview:

YM: “arrest her if they needed to?”

SP: “yeah, and they never did anything about it.”

SP: “i called and told cindy……i emailed casey about it after b/c i couldn’t bring myself to talk to her.”

SP: “and she wrote me ” dear grandma. i’m so sorry, i apologize. i’ll come down and do some cleaning for you, and this and that.i wrote back to her, “casey, i don’t want you up here.” “i haven’t spoken to her since.”

..she goes on to say that cindy wasn’t upset with her ( for wanting casey arresred) offers to pay her back the money, but SP says the bank already has…done deal.
————————————————————–

..i believe “the fight” resulted in something caylee said on the drive home fr. mt dora on june 15th——after all, even cindy says that she was speaking in paragraphs at this point..

Great job, JWG.
I’m of the mind that “neck breaking” and “shovel” were searches for slang terms KC heard and in her constant need to be hip, cool, and omniscient, she googled these terms. JMO.
“Bust down” could be about the rap song, but as far as that being something she heard from Tony, she didn’t know him when these searches were conducted.

..in addition to never getting it, why anyone would have to google “shovel”, i’ve never understood why kc would have to borrow the neighbours shovel ?

..george stated that they were constantly knocking off bamboo roots etc——–surely george had plenty of shovels in the shed that were handy for kc to use?

..why go out of the way to bother the neighbour for his ?

Finally, something I can comment on with authority — fleas.

Domainey mentions the Capstar search. Capstar is an OTC pill for cats and dogs that kills fleas almost immediately but only works for about 24 hours. Goes to prior searches for flea control.

Fabulous site! I’m starting to worry MY neck is going to break from the vigorous nodding and shaking of my head as I read these posts.

Wow – from the article to the comments – all were an excellent read! Maura – I loved your layout – totally agree with your perceptions of Casey’s actions.

I may be totally off base, but i’ve brought this up before, so here’s one more time. Common household chemicals can be used to make chloroform. A mixture of those exact chemicals can also be used to “wash” checks. What is Casey was looking up her name to find the location of another “Casey Anthony” to steal her identity?? She has her own ID so she could cash checks that she stole from that person’s mailbox, made out for paying bills, open the envelopes with a KNIFE and wash the checks and viola!! Maybe she was stealing identities of several “Casey Anthonys” to fund the partying. In March of 08 a tv station in Florida warned about the rising cases of identity theft using check washing and other forms of theft. Who is a known thief? This is just my opinion of course, but I Googled “common household chemicals” and found the check washing ID theft info a while back. There was a video with the info. Thanks.

The Anthony’s shovel was locked in the shed? Did she not have access to the key? She had been in trouble earlier for breaking into the shed. So, being the good daughter that she is, instead of breaking in, she borrowed a shovel from the neighbor (and attempted to dig a grave for her daughter in the back yard).

The information can be found at WKRG.com. The date was February 20, 2008, not March 2008. Sorry for the wrong date. Didn’t Casey also try to pay a phone bill by using the routing number from her grandma’s account also?

Congratulations JWG. Just when I thought Hinky couldn’t get any better, now we have two super-intelligent slueths. But . . . I’m a little worried. You just know the defense will learn from every wise word they read here and I don’t want to help them in any way. Can you boot them off if you see them lurking?

KZ said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 03:03:47 }
JWG–Thank you for a most excellent post! And thank you, Val, for inviting JWG to post. That was mighty humble of you (you are so adored by all the Meter Readers), and it speaks volumes to your character! As others have said, if you/we all have access to this, how much more must the Prosecution have? If I was a jury member, JWG, your explanation would have persuaded me as to the surfing personalities and habits of each Anthony. Very logical and thorough. Can’t forget the image of Caylee sitting on Cindy’s lap looking at baby animal pics……..you’re correct, Cindy fouled that beautiful memory.

Maura said:{ Mar 5, 2010 – 11:03:52 }

17-June (3:15pm) Casey left the following on Amy’s Facebook :

“cheer up me lady! i love you and can’t wait to finally get you moved in”

Note the date. “Cheer me up?” Could this be the only documented morsel of remorse Casey has ever leaked out? Why would Casey need cheering up? Her major problem was “gone”, and she was living with Tony. Could it be that she sensed that the whole house of cards was going to come down? And STILL she is stringing along Amy about housing. Cruel on SO many levels.

****

Casey did not write “cheer me up.” She wrote “cheer up (me lady)” – in other words, she was trying to cheer Amy up, not asking Amy to cheer her up.

Thanks Ellejay, I usually just lurk all the sites here and there and read, until something grabs me and I need answers. I like this site and blinks, because it goes over facts, not just an anthony bashing, hate blog, that gets side tracked with sharing donuts and coffee over the internet…LOL…I love the factual input and expertise given between these two sites. Awesome. Good nite all have a good weekend…Can’t wait until Wednesday and thanks for helping me find the interviews I was looking for.

SwanCat63 said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 04:03:19 }
The information can be found at WKRG.com. The date was February 20, 2008, not March 2008. Sorry for the wrong date. Didn’t Casey also try to pay a phone bill by using the routing number from her grandma’s account also?

*****

Cindy claimed Casey got a birthday check from Shirley in March 2008 but never cashed it; instead, Cindy said Casey took the routing number from the birthday check and used it to pay her $354 AT&T bill online.

But Cindy was wrong. Casey did cash that 2008 birthday check for $20 from Shirley because it’s listed in Casey’s Amscot check cashing records.

Shirley said Casey stole a blank check from Alex Plesea’s nursing home account – an account from which even Shirley was not permitted to write checks. She was only allowed to let money accumulate from Alex’s SS and pensions and then transfer that money into another account. But Casey took a blank check from the checking account and used it to pay her $354 AT&T bill.

sleuths

» karen lee said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 03:03:13 }
The Anthony’s shovel was locked in the shed? Did she not have access to the key? She had been in trouble earlier for breaking into the shed. So, being the good daughter that she is, instead of breaking in, she borrowed a shovel from the neighbor (and attempted to dig a grave for her daughter in the back yard).

..but she borrowed the shovel on june 18th, george reported the shed incident 6 days later, june 24th. (so she hadn’t got in trouble for that yet).
..in various interviews , the A’s never claim these shed keys were “hidden” , esp. from family members.

..anyway—-i don’t think that even kc would be THAT stupid–to borrow/return a shovel, used to dig a grave AT home……..even she knows in a missing person case, LE STARTS at home, with family—-interviews neighbours——–and fans out from there.

Casey Anthony could not by herself dig a hole deep enough, or wide enough to bury that child. She didn’t want to expend the energy. She threw her in the woods like trash!

We’ve seen absolutely no evidence that Casey ‘washed’ anyone’s checks. I believe by now that would have been included in discovery. Someone would have said something.

karen lee said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 03:03:13 }
The Anthony’s shovel was locked in the shed? Did she not have access to the key? She had been in trouble earlier for breaking into the shed. So, being the good daughter that she is, instead of breaking in, she borrowed a shovel from the neighbor (and attempted to dig a grave for her daughter in the back yard).

*****

The only time we know of that she broke into the shed was on June 23. She borrowed the shovel from the neighbor on June 18.

Lee said George had placed a padlock on the shed when Caylee began walking (IIRC), but the padlock was never properly locked, only looped through the hinge to keep Caylee from being able to open the shed door.

However, George and Cindy originally said the date of the “pool ladder” incident – when Cindy got home from work and found the gate to the backyard unlocked – was June 17. They both, at that point, believed a stranger had broken into their yard and used their pool. I would guess that on the night of June 17 or morning of June 18 (if June 17 was the date of the pool ladder incident), George properly locked the shed to prevent “the stranger” from getting into it.

If that’s what happened, then Casey was probably not expecting the shed to be locked on June 18 when she returned to the house, and since the padlock had never been closed in the past, she did not know where George kept the key and did not want to call him to ask where he kept it. So she borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner.

When she had Tony drive her to the Anthony house on June 23 for George’s gas cans, she had him break the lock with his tire iron.

maura: you have a mind like a steel trap! details, details..

..i’d like to see kc try to “pull the wool over your eyes” , or cindy for that matter—–as they were stumbling over their own contradictions, you’d have their own past statements—–and the very date they said them—-on instant recall!

From KC’s docket:
03/05/2010 Correspondence
from James McIntyre
Who’s James McIntyre?

Of course Ellejay and Maura. Sorry, had a blonde moment.

Now, MY turn….Ouch, Owie! Those lies are actually painful!! “I knew alcohol could be costly”
…(Huh?)

I believe she meant or said “caustic”.

Excellent, excellent article. Kudos.

I think she looked up neck breaking as a way to do away with Caylee. As was mentioned before, there would be no way that Casey could over power George or Cindy.

OMG!!! WKMG’s headlines but the article is not working
Motion Asks State To Pay Anthony’s Defense Costs
Here is the article from OS:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-defense-asks-state-to-pick-up-costs-wkmg-reports.html

FRG said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 05:03:03 }
From KC’s docket:
03/05/2010 Correspondence
from James McIntyre
Who’s James McIntyre?

..this is dated today ——where is this “docket” info from ?

Great post. Am I they only one who does not know who JWG is ? I could use some “illuminating”.
Thanks all.

8O Andrea made a statement to the court in the last hearing (fraud) that she could request indigent for murderer, when the State requested that the defense should pay them to depos Kerley, so they were already tipping their hats to this. I feel sorry for the State of Florida. KC sold photos of the precious gem for almost that amount? where did that go? I mean if you look at the work JB and AL have done here there is no way they exhausted that much money? Man I hope Florida gets on the band wagon here and lets their tax paying voices be heard and known.

Ellejay said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 05:03:54 }

From Orange County Clerk of Courts
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234

Thanks FRG! To your comment/link…the defense is imploding in ways we don’t even know yet…I can’t wait to hear more!

JWG…nice! Thank you for such a wonderful article!

Maura…I loved the refresher about how Casey screwed over Amy. She’s a murderer, but she’s also right: She’s a terrible friend!

Valhall…love this site… Number 1!

JWG-

An excellent contribution! Kindly include my gratitude among the ranks of grateful posters here=)
(Val can add “most gracious hostess” to the list of accolades she has so clearly earned already=)

*****
To the folks who are focusing on Cindy’s testimony re: the cocker spaniel…
I have to pour some water on that fire. Sorry..
But no way is LE wasting time/taxpayer $$$$ looking into that.
Why? Because it is simply wholly “irrelevant” to the murder case.

Remember, the state has to prove that Casey, IN FACT, killed Caylee (and not that Casey killed a pet/fits some “profile” of a killer–which as I explained a while ago, is inadmissible “character evidence”.

Plus–
Per the DSM-IV? (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders– the standard tool relied upon by mental healthcare professionals, such as psychiatrists, psychologists, etc worldwide to classify diagnoses, etc)?

Wrong diagnosis.
(I think some are confusing the difference between a sociopath or borderline personality disordered individual or narcissistic personality disordered individual or “eraser killer” profile or what have you (many have ascribed one or several of these to Casey Anthony) –VS. an “animal” of a different kind– the psychopath, which would include serial type killers (where a tendency to torture/kill small animals, generally during childhood, is indicative).

*****
» joypath said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 09:03:07 }

Absolutely fantastic piece, totally understandable and to the point: a pure “gotcha in a lie, Mrs Anthony!”. Thanks!

Please do not take the declarations of Cynthia M. Anthony, R. N. as a representation of the practitioners within the field of medicine regarding the prescribed utilization of traditionally non potable fluids by children under the age of 3. Her quote ” but I wasn’t sure about the peroxide because I know you can gargle with it, and I know you can drink some peroxide, but I wanted to see how much could hurt, in case she ever got into anything.” is a typical “Anthonyism-a half-truth.”
NO volume of H2O2 should be DRUNK by a child, good GOD hasn’t this NURSE ever heard of calling POISON control or HEAVEN FORBID, 911 for a medical emergency! And I agree, the term our hapless “authority” was trying to impress LDB with was probably “caustic” vs “costly” but even then she reverted to a “Anthonyism” with her definition of caustic!

I must say: when you’re going to cover up for somebody, heck just go full steam ahead, but be ready to face the music yourself when you lie for a liar.

*****
Joy-

You have exposed part of the basis for my crossword for DUMMIES quips

Imagine this EINSTEIN, crossword for DUMMIES in hand, calling out to the IDIOT in the next room:

“Hey, George… what’s a 6 letter word that starts with “POI” and ends with “SIN” for “a substance that can harm you, sold in containers marked with the ’skull and crossbones’?”
“Oh… wait.. NEVERMIND.”

*****
Really??
You leave containers of alcohol and peroxide within REACH of a toddler??!
And really????
You are concerned about whether or not this is a safe practice, so instead of simply MOVING the containers to an out-of-reach/secure location… you just GOOGLE it???
Really?!?!
Really????? I mean… REALLY!
WOW!

OK-that’s my feeble attempt to recreate that whole “REALLY?!” thing that Amy Poehler and Seth Myers used to do on SNL’s “Weekend Update”.

*****
For those of you who are fans, here ya go, the very first one they did: (plus i love this one, because Vick no longer has all that money, which serves him right for TORTURING/KILLING and/or being responsible for the torturing and killing of INNOCENT ANIMALS)

*****
Michael Vick’s alleged attempt to bring marijuana onto a plane raises many questions. Questions we will now address in a new segment on “Weekend Update”, called “Really?!? with Seth & Amy.”

[ show title card ]

[ dissolve back to Amy and Seth at the desk ]

Seth Meyers: Michael Vick? Really?!? You didn’t want to throw your weed away before you went through security? Really?!? You have 117 million dollars left on your contract. Do you know what 117 million dollars means? You can afford to replace your weed if you have to throw it away at the airport. [ audience cheers ] Really! Even my dumbest high school friends know to throw their weed away at the airport, and they have NO MONEY and LOVE weed!

Amy Poehler: And you got caught at the Miami Airport? Really? You didn’t think they would check for drugs at the airport in Miami? Really?!?

Seth Meyers: And, also, I don’t know if you’ve heard, but you can’t bring bottled water past security any more. So you hid your weed — which is not allowed on a plane — in another thing that is not allowed on a plane. [ audience cheers ] That’s like hiding your weed in the barrel of a gun or in the mouth of an endangered species. Really?

Amy Poehler: Really? And it never occurred to you to put it in a Ziploc bag and sink it to the bottom of a shampoo bottle in your checked luggage, like we all do? Really?!?”

Seth Meyers: And, Michael Vick, do you not have an entourage? Really?!? Because you should put together an entourage, and the first guy in that entourage should be called “Michael Vick’s Official Weed Carrier.” Really!

Amy Poehler: A-and, also — you were flying back to Atlanta. Where you live. Do you not keep weed at your house? Really?!? Because, if you like weed, you should have some at your house. Really! [ audience cheers ]

Seth Meyers: Really! So, really, Michael Vick, throw your weed away. I know you’re a running quarterback, but throw.. it.. away! Really!

Amy Poehler: Wow!

Seth Meyers: Wow!

[ show title card ]

Announcer: This has been “Really?!? with Seth & Amy.”

I just wanted to mention that in the Urban Dictionary you will find the slang meaning of a word that kids on the street use. For example capstar as was mentioned earlier is for fleas.. But in the Urban Dictionary ( street talk ) means liar. Which sooo fits Casey . But if Casey only has a facebook education she may not have known what that meant. Just sayin

Oh no I just realized my comment belongs in misc. topic. I am so sorry.. Please place it where it belongs. I will try to do mo betta next time.

LOL…silver has been on a roll for days. I think we’re going to have start paying her for her mic time. The routines are getting better every day.

This has been the most amazing day on The Hinky Meter so far as far as participation in a thread. I think JWG’s ability to make a very complicated and confusing topic become crystal clear to all of us is the reason why. What a really neat thing. One of my goals in starting my blog was to address spin, and in this article JWG not only unspun spin, but he also helped those of us who aren’t intentionally spreading misinformation, but doing so inadvertently by not fully understanding, learn the facts of the matter.

It’s been a very good day at The Hinky!

I love this blog – thank you Valhall!

And of course JWG! :!:

James McIntyre is a “Casey is innocent” person who frequently posts on Hal’s blog.

Does anyone else think that Cindy was choking Casey in self-defense? Maybe Casey had her in the right hold/position for the neck-breaking so Cindy fought back grabbing Casey’s neck? If this has been discussed, sorry. It came to me as a fresh idea.

But that aside, building up to that fateful night, she was plotting to kill George & Cindy and get away with it. What could she use that wouldn’t be detected and lead right back to her? Poison? No. Gun? Knife? No. No. Candlestick (in the Study, Col. Mustard) Ha ha ha . . . But seriously, not many options. Unless of course she was planning on burying them in the backyard as someone upthread has already suggested. Then it wouldn’t matter how she did it. But if she was going to set it up as a murder or accident, what could she do?

Maybe her search for shovel was to find out if there was a better design for grave digging in her backyard. The neighbours shovel was probably more work than she’d anticipated. Maybe?

If the motion that the defense is asking for that Casey be classified as indigent and the taxpayers of Florida has to pay for experts, lawyers, witnesses, etc., can she once the trial is finished sell her story or give an exclusive interview and receive money for it?

Valhall, great job, great hostess. JWG great article. Don’t feel so dumb after reading.

If Casey can’t pay. She should be given a public Defender. That’s just my view.

Unless Orlando soil is different from that of Tampa, digging a grave isn’t that difficult to do as long as there aren’t roots of trees where you are digging. The soil is loose and very easy to move. Casey should have looked for a spade to dig with. Still, I cannot imagine her trying to bury Caylee in their own yard.

Bees Knees said: Does anyone else think that Cindy was choking Casey in self-defense? Maybe Casey had her in the right hold/position for the neck-breaking so Cindy fought back grabbing Casey’s neck?

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If Casey had Cindy in the right postion for neck-breaking, Cindy wouldn’t be able to grab Casey by the throat. It would take an effort of Herculean proportions for Casey (who is tiny) to break another adult’s neck under the best of circumstances. It would be (I believe) impossible for her to do it to a struggling adult, and certainly not face to face. It simply doesn’t hold water that she ever intended to TRY it, let alone DO it.

Besides, why would she kill her cash cow? She may have hated Cindy’s relationship with Caylee, but she wasn’t stupid enough to kill the people who kept her in creme (so to speak). Even the dimmest of bulbs knows they can continue to steal from someone who has been their greatest (if seriously annoyed) ally in excusing past theivery.

While you guys are checking out the Urban Dictionary, be sure and check out definition #3 under “hinky”…

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hinky

hinky

the instant of knowledge when one becomes deeply aware that there is pure evil fuckery afoot.

She knew something was hinky when her husband returned from the store without his underwear…

I actually bought the mug with this…here’s a pic of my coffee cup.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/hinkymug.jpg

lol I couldn’t resist.

I’ve gotta have one!!!

That kicks ass!!

pure evil fuckery sounds like the Anthony’s to me

Silver – you just made me miss Amy Pohler even more than I do already. The news skits with Seth and Amy were the best! Really? Wow!

Valhall said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:12 }

Love your mug!!! That’s so awesome!!!

You got that right, Kim. There’s more pure evil fuckery afoot in this case than you can shake a talking stick at!

What I have always wondered was…rather than go to Universal to pick up Caylee, why not go to ZG house, CA had addresses and current phone numbers for ZG and didn’t give them up until she handed them over to LE in July, she had new numbers especially every 3 months and KC was giving them to CA as ZG was changing them. I am certain ZG would have happily given the baby to CA, since I am sure she could have used a break from kids after watching them so long and so many days for free. CA didn’t have to call KC to get her own grand-daughter especially since KC was such a great mom she would have welcomed grandma getting Caylee home so she could save sometime after getting out of work. I know my daughters love it when I call them and TELL them hey I am gonna pick the baby up today and I will have my grandson here pick him up after work or come eat dinner with dad and I.

My daughters love that and what great daughter wouldn’t. I am amazed that CA just didn’t so that unless she couldn’t remember the phone number or the address, that couldn’t be because her great daughter her best friend the only person she trusted would surely include her in their only grand-daughter’s daily events after residing under the same roof. So I don’t understand why Caylee had to die and why she ended up in the woods? Cindy, please don’t be so hard on yourself you have done all you could for Caylee in life and death…NOT!

There is something “hinky” about Casey Anthony having a “dream team” and the defense asking for indigent status for her. I so agree, if she is indeed delared indigent she should have to have a court-appointed attorney representing her. I know it doesn’t work like that, but she shouldn’t be able to have it both ways! I too, am getting whip lash reading and shaking my head to and fro.

You are all too kind. Val’s blog was awesome from day 1. I read through previous posts as reference material on a very frequent basis.

There are many mysteries still to unravel. Some will matter at trial, and some will only matter to us trying to understand. Hopefully all of us will continue to pitch in to make sense of what is a horrible crime.

Lorna said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:39 }
What I have always wondered was…rather than go to Universal to pick up Caylee, why not go to ZG house, CA had addresses and current phone numbers for ZG and didn’t give them up until she handed them over to LE in July, she had new numbers especially every 3 months and KC was giving them to CA as ZG was changing them.
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..because, those were imaginery phone numbers and addresses—-cindy did not actually have anything.

..just b/c cindy told LE that she “gave the post-it note” to “ummmmm..one of the detectives that was at the house that night” —-does not make it TRUE.

..you can BET, if cindy had REAL contact info for a REAL nanny—she would have called and stormed over there in the days kc was giving her the run-around.

Valhall,

You need to start selling Hinky Gear here. Mugs, hats, shirts etc.

No, we’re not too kind, JWG. You’ve done a great service for all of us with this article. At least that’s how I feel personally. I feel like I understand something for the first time in almost a year. I also feel like I thought I understood…but didn’t until now!

I’d buy it – I need a hinky mouse pad

Linda Pope said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 08:03:13 }
There is something “hinky” about Casey Anthony having a “dream team” and the defense asking for indigent status for her. I so agree, if she is indeed delared indigent she should have to have a court-appointed attorney representing her. I know it doesn’t work like that, but she shouldn’t be able to have it both ways! I too, am getting whip lash reading and shaking my head to and fro.
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..then again, scott peterson had his “dream team”, but he ran out of money ( a million dollars worth) , was declared indigent, and geragos had to apply for state funds.

..reading a number of google articles today—-paraphrasing—-something to do with 6th ammendment rights, as he had developed a relationship with his ( high priced ) lawyer, he wouldn’t be made to begin anew with a new lawyer , thus his dream team would remain.

..i won’t bore you with the rest of MY understanding of what i read!( and of course that was california—–florida could differ..)

..surely Silver will explain it to us all—-in the usual clear and informative way that she does !!

JWG,

Did you see karen’s question above about the searches and “zenaida” with the date June 12th, 2008?

This is something we still need a definitive answer on as to whether this took deliberate “extra-ordinary” measures on or not.

She is asking if searches for zenaida happened on June 12th? Which my current understanding is “no, we can’t say they did, but they could have”. My question is – what had to happen for the index.dat files to get created on June 12th?

I submitted this question to my Microsoft contact, but I still haven’t received an answer.

Valhall,

Index.dat files are accumulated as you use the net. Unless you know how to delete them, they will stay and continue to multiply in size, The hold all the data of your surfing activities. You can manually delete them but it is a tedious process. Programs like RCCleaner will delete them and they are regenerated empty when you log back into the net. They do not reside in the unallocated sectors after cleaning them.

Did LE ever get a look at the laptop (ie, Cindy’s laptop Casey appropriated)? Is there any discovery released related to the contents of the laptop?

Yep, I know that much Nic. What we haven’t answered definitively here is if there is any automatic reason that index file should have been deleted and recreated on June 12th, 2008 short of those “extraordinary” measures you just described.

Because that’s a pretty important question to answer (in my mind).

Valhall, I was a beta tester for Microsoft and I have not heard or know of a way to automatically by time or date to delete an index.dat file.

Lizayx said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 06:03:55 }
James McIntyre is a “Casey is innocent” person who frequently posts on Hal’s blog.
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..and, as maura pointed out on the misc. thread–a lunatic emailing back and forth with dominic and cindy…

Maura said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 06:03:44 }
Re: James McIntyre – Another kook

Emails from discovery pages 8040 and 8042, released September 29, 2009, Set 1:

From: aandjmac@mchsi.com
To: cma@cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net
Subject: CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY HAS BEEN FOUND ALIVE!
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 01:00:39 +0000

To Whom It May Concern,

Caylee Marie Anthony is NOT DEAD! “Body of Caylee” is of another murder victim. Caylee [missing text]

Riverside Home
Bungalow 19
15705 Washington Street
Riverside, California 92504

Caylee’s Nanny/Babysitter and her accomplice parents live here. The parents own/lease Bungalow 19. Atlanta Police and Atlanta FBI knew [missing text]

15705 Washington Street is the driveway that leads into the complex. It ends in a turn around and the driveway is a dead end. They have [missing text]

Three and a half miles from the airport, that explains how she was able to travel to Riverside without being seen. I have a gut feeling [missing text].

James L. McIntyre
McIntyre Consulting
PO Box 96
Grand Rapids, MN 55744
aandjmac@mchsi.com

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Message from Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com
can you send proof??????????

From: aandjmac@mchsi.com
To: cindy@dgator.com
Subject: RE: CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY HAS BEEN FOUND ALIVE!
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:48:55 +0000

KNBC Channel 4 News of Riverside California has your proof!
They have a copy of a pre-Christmas pageant clearly showing Caylee with her kidnapper! She is the same woman seen in the airport security [missing text].
KNBC Channel 4 News: 551-788-2221
They have been expecting the Riverside California FBI office to ask to see the video tape. They have it locked in a filing cabinet to k [missing text].

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From: Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:51:46
To: dominiccasey@msn.com
Subject: FWD: CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY HAS BEEN FOUND ALIVE!

What do you think?

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From: dominiccasey@msn.com
To: Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 02:02:01
Subject: RE: CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY HAS BEEN FOUND ALIVE!

It is a sick cruel hateful email initiated strictly to cause harm, inflict pain, and cause reaction. Block the sender and hold your hea [missing text].

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From: Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 02:09:55
To: dominiccasey@msn.com
Subject: RE: CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY HAS BEEN FOUND ALIVE!

I have Jim calling the station now. It is a valid number.

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From: Dominic Casey (dominiccasey@msn.com)
Sent: 5/19/09 213AM
To: Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com

Of course it is. I ran the number.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:06:06 -0700
From: aandjmac@mchsi.com
To: cindy@dgator.com
CC:
Subject: Yahoo! Maps, Driving Directions, and Traffic

James L. McIntyre (aandjmac@mchsi.com) has sent you a Yahoo! Map
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Personal message:

This is where Caylee is. She is being held in Bungalow 19. If you see the swimming pool, she was seen there several times.

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From: Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com
To: dominiccasey@msn.com
Subject: FW: Yahoo! Maps, Driving Directions, and Traffic
Date: May 23, 2009 10:28PM

Any way to check this out??????

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From: Dominic Casey (dominiccasey@msn.com)
Sent: 5/24/09 2:39AM
To: Cindy Anthony cindy@dgator.com

I will get in touch with a PI in area to check out!

» No Nic said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 09:03:51 }

Valhall, I was a beta tester for Microsoft and I have not heard or know of a way to automatically by time or date to delete an index.dat file.

Okay, what if you upgrade IE?

Upgrading IE doesn’t overwrite the Index.dat files in 2000 to XP or Vista. I am not sure about Windows 7 or the Beta 8. I stopped testing after XP.

Would they have had Windows 7? No…not in 2008, right? It had to be Vista at best.

Valhall,

There was a way in the older versions of IE. I used to use it now that I remember but it isn’t working for me in IE 8. Here is a link that explains how to do it. Also, some of them you can open in notepad and select all and delete and then save. The file will show 0 but I am not sure that is a complete deletion. Bottom line I don’t think any of the Anthonys are savvy enough to know what an index.dat file is.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5952413_automatically-delete-index_dat.html

Val,

I would guess Win 2000 or XP at best back then.

Val,

I did see the questions about the June 12 Zenaida searches. I want to dismiss them as being confused with the index.dat creation date. However, I am curious as to why the searches came up in the Anthony depositions.

The snapshots of the Anthony hard drives were taken while both the desktop and laptop were running Windows XP.

Yep, JWG, I understand that it is the creation date of the index.dat file.

My question is why was the index.dat file created on June 12th, 2008? That’s been my question since the article you referenced in your article. And I still don’t have an answer I’m comfortable with.

I know you can “clean” the file contents out, but it is my understanding that completely deleting the file which would lead to a newly created index.dat file would take some intentional measures (including going into DOS and deleting the file). That’s what I’ve been trying to get a firm answer on is: is there some other way (i.e. automatic, windows-based clicky clicky way) to delete the entire index.dat file to where a new one would have been created on June 12th, 2008.

Wow, I’m blown away with all the insight and information on the Anthony’s that have been shared on the blog.

I read and reread the statements of all of the Anthony’s and like many of you have find little bits of lies and BS and not much of the truth in them.

Casey wasn’t showing any money if she was a “escort”. She drove a ten year old car and lived at home with a child she didn’t want and Cindy controlling everything in her life. If Casey was making money she would be flashing it. She’d have a nice car and apartment with a nanny for Caylee. She’d be shopping further up the shopping chain than Target, Kmart and Penny’s. If she had found a sugar daddy she’d been out of there in a flash and living that good life leaving Caylee behind.

Why would Cindy make the statement that med’s, cleaning supplies, etc that Caylee could get into were put up high and under child proof locks, but left peroxide and alcohol behind in lower cabinets that Caylee could reach?

Where is the statement from their vet that said their dog’s didn’t have fleas? Why would that be needed? This was Cindy’s telling LE that Zanny’s dog had fleas so of course there is a dog and if there is a dog there has to NannyZanny.

I’ve never heard what kind or color car Amy had before her wreck, but I do think she had a plain Ford Focus as her rental to go pick up her new car since Casey had better things to do. I am trying to remember if it which one of Cindy’s statements that Zani drove a red/maroon car before the June 23 rd “wreck. Always a small amount of truth in Casey’s lies.

There was a prescription cream for Caylee found in the home. Who was the doctor and what was the cream for?

% I’m just a soul whose intentions are good. Oh Lord,please don’t let me be misunderstood. Eric Burdon and the Animals %

Such a well laid out explanation of such a technical transaction, JWG. I am so pleased that you are the cliff hanger!!!
JWG and Valhall? OMGosh, Casey’s defense team might as well roll up their carpet and take their sign down! Two intelligent, honest speakers that have the ability to explain things at a level that I can understand are a godsend. Perfect. Love you both for working so hard for Caylee.

Whoa. Casey has PAID over 100K to Bozo and Lyons. Where did SHE obtain the money?
I agree that she should have a public defender if she can’t pay, but I wouldn’t want her to have a better attorney than she already has.

Lately I could come here for just the humor alone. FUNeee stuff!
It’s been brighter than usual here these last 4 days or so (Didn’t think that was even possible). What great minds.

I am off to bed, but I want to say one final thing. Thank you Val and everyone else for sharing all your research and for all the hours you put into this case. I am so happy that you share your knowledge and insight and put it in words that I can understand. You are all very generous.

I expect anything after this dock dump announcement from the defense and/or Anthony’s. Isn’t that their MO? Something is afoot, I tell you.

Lilly said:  I think NotaG’s theory has a great deal of merit. I’m not so sure that Casey was doing any kind of escorting or prostitution (in fact I don’t really believe that because I think there would have been evidence in discovery that would have lead that way) but I do think she may have been in trouble with SOMEONE for theft of something. That I find very plausible. It also explains the knife/knives? found in the car – which so far have not been connected to anything including the duct tape.
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Could it be that the searches for “chloroform” and “how to make chloroform” are related to the searches for “fleas” and “getting rid of fleas”?  I just ran an Internet search for “getting rid of flea infestation ingredients household remedies” and several items came up referencing the use of chloroform, and the ingredients needed for makings chloroform insecticide.  A couple sites referenced the chloroform mixture being commonly used in Mexico and bordering States for ridding flea and lice infestation (particularily in jails, shelters and clinics), as well as it’s  prophylaxis use where Thypus fever and other infectious disease is of a concern.

With regard to the search for “household weapons”, once again I gotta agree with Lilly and the theory NotaG’s made.  Casey was likely looking for some sort of self defense method for fear she had pissed the wrong person off.  All the constant partying and expansion in drug use tells me she was mixing with the wrong groud; potentially dangerous croud.  Otherwise, if not Casey then the only explaination I can think of is George. Perhaps he was looking for tips to defend himself in his job as a security officer? I don’t think security guards are armed with much, if anything. (Except:  a bunch of jingley keys, and a frumpy wannabe/pretend to be fake police officer uniform. J/k Lol!!)              

JWG, Thanks for making geek make sense! When it come to computers I only speak duhhhhh.  So, I dont know how you do it, but you’re a technical linguistal genius. Having your input on this blog is like a computer having Intel Premium Processeor inside. “Bom bom bom bom!”  Dude! You kick ass!!  I think from now on the emotion inserted next to your name oughta always be JWG Boom Boom Pow!, because you got it! Lol!
    
Hey Val, we had a miscommunication the other day. I think the timing on posting might have been off because I had not seen your message before you got my post.  So, im afraid you thought i was upset about something you stepped in for when I actually very much appreciated that you did. I just did not see that you had done so yet, when I opened my whiney annoying mouth about it.  My sencere apologies for the confusion. I hope if you go back to the posts you’ll see what I’m talking about and where I was actually grateful, because I am.  It’s important that everyone not have to agree and are safe to voice alternant opinions (& good that folks are even safe if like me, to disagree more frequently. lol!)  It is appreciated.  I think you’re providing the World an excellent resource and dialog on these high profile cases and other important social issues; crime and safety concerns.  Each time I come to your site I learn and understand more, and not only about the case or topic at hand, but many aspects about being a part of this amazing and wonderfully evolving Commonwealth you have created here.  So Val, thanks for the site, thanks for having my back, and for all that you do.  You’re great!

ILikeToBendPages said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 10:03:10 }
There was a prescription cream for Caylee found in the home. Who was the doctor and what was the cream for?
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..i’m not sure if this was a cream:
..collected from the south bath medicine cabinet:
..one prescription box for caylee marie anthony for Gentamicin

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B%20TO%203463B%20REDO.pdf
( page 35 ).

..it has been previously stated that a dr.silva was caylee’s doctor.

p.s. I Like To BendPages:

♪ ♫ ..have that song in my head now—–which is a good thing! ♪ ♫ ♪

Gentamicin:

..the “icin” clues me in that it’s an antibiotic of some sort.

..since it was for caylee, at 2, 3, i recall my girls getting “mild” antibiotics for minor ear infections and such..

..is there a nurse in the house that knows what gentamicin is used for ? ( and no cindy, you don’t count.)

Gentamicin is used for pink-eye (conjunctivitis). My son got it once when he was 2 from a child in daycare. Eurythramicin is sometimes sent home with newborns for their eyes. I wonder if “gent” is used in some hospitals for the same purpose.

I am still reading way back. I really want to thank Valhall for hosting the site, our first contributing author for for a great post and what now appears to be unlimited tech support. And to Maura and Silver and the many many contributors. Now back to reading.

Oh yeah – I was delayed big time tonight cause of laughing. Neck breaking in a bungalow in tandem with a chloroform follow up for an event possibly caused by squirrels moving a ladder had me in stitches. Paraphrased. Hilarious.

I have to get out of here. I will never catch up. But thanks.

McEnscene – motor cortex damage indeed. Now that derailed me and so I am even further behind.

Val – love the mug/hinky def…this case is indeed full of heinous fuckery most foul.

Silver – the crossword clues are a riot…thanks for the laughs!

JWG….i also wanted to mention…cindy = judas! love it! love it!

Kerflunkled said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 12:03:22 }
Gentamicin is used for pink-eye (conjunctivitis).

————-thank you kerflunked.

You’re welcome

…oops…..kerflunk L ed-!

..i’ve read way too much today—–and posted! way too much!

..( understanding JWG’s ‘computer-speak’ empowered me to no end! )

..shutting up now—or shutting down, or switching browsers, or log-ons….

..( i’m still way too thrilled that i GOT the computer stuff! )

I’m only a third way through the posts and likely missing something here, but is it possibile that the search data on chlorophyll was stored in limbo  as unallocated space but by the time CSI examined it had already been written over?  Is downloading music or photos or video take up a lot of space =larger files?  If so, could the days of all the downloaded music KC made have anything to do with why we dont see the chlorophyll results and only small bits of data re: chloroform and household weapons? I mean, from what I undderstand the forensics don’t provide details of what pages were opened and what was details were for reading on the pages.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but all that’s left is traces of a query and the results from the query: google search result containing list of name and partial cached previewed text for each website and the link (link URL address) for each website that was matched or “tagged” having revelance to the search term?  Do csi forensics know what the query terms were if it was in order of most recent or most viewed or etc?   

When I googled “her with man chloroform” Google then suggested “Did I mean how to make chloroform?” If I click on that suggestion does it get stored as my own search or a gooogle suggested search? Does the system diferentiate the search method, say manual= typed in on keyboard in box vs. Generated= suggested by web browser or reference the path direction when change/clicking on suggestion at “did you mean…”?  My point is could any of the search terms from the forensics report not actually originate manually typed in by The As, but instead be suggestion from Google by the “Did you mean…” function?  Do the forensics diferentiate or specify this data?      

Next question: 
 Does a query search results page with all the preview text and URL links specify all that result data as only originating and being “glimsed” as part of results listed on a query results page or from that search results page or can each “suggested/listed” website (the data, link/URL and text (cached words) be misinterpeted as being visited or a path taken?   

Next question or extension of last:  Usually search results list Googles suggestions by providing the website name, and link/URL to the webpage, but specifically search results also provide actual text preview from the suggested website webpage: showing actual words, scentences/paragraphs actual written data taken from as preview look into the suggested site (via cached text as a peek into the website?) could the search results page with all the cached data/previewed words (what it reads and where it was taken from- webpage) could the page preview results ever be misinterpeted as visiting the page or the website it was cached from?

Next question or clarification of last question: (two parts) 
When “search results” data/the “suggested  websites” and all data listed in the search results is provided, Can the results data, any part of it…
  
(Example: 
•The text data/letters or words/phrases provided in title and content preview 
• the URL/Link path and directions
• Image or snapshot preview of the website or webpage.)  

… Can anything (example above) any results data provided from the search be mis interpeted as history viewing/being at/visiting the link/path/page provided?
AND 
Can any of the letters/words or phrases provided in the search results be misinterprted as actual words or terms searched or used in a search?

I hope I make sense.  Please advise.                    

Thank you!!!!

Calamity,

You asked:

but is it possibile that the search data on chlorophyll was stored in limbo as unallocated space but by the time CSI examined it had already been written over?

I think the important point here is that Cindy and George didn’t use Google or Firefox and didn’t delete their IE browser history. So if Cindy was doing the whole ludicrous chlorophyl chlorophil klorofeel search thingy it wouldn’t have gotten written over because it never would have been sent to unallocated space in the first place.

JWG,

Can I put in a request? lol I’d like hear Play Misty for Me.

Seriously, do you think you could do an analysis on the rumors of the visits to missing children pages? Because from what I have seen when I’ve reviewed the files from the desktop, I don’t think this rumor is true.

I sure would like to hear your expert opinion on this particular issue.

LOL, Ellejay!
“There’s NO EVIDENCE!”

*KERFLUNK*

The sound of yet another doc dump hitting the floor at Cindy’s feet.

lol Kerflunkled…..Im waiting for an Anthony or Conway statement before Wednesday as to the evidence that isnt there….since the news is reporting DNA charts….it should be something like “there is no DNA…”

» FRG said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 05:03:10 }
OMG!!! WKMG’s headlines but the article is not working
Motion Asks State To Pay Anthony’s Defense Costs
Here is the article from OS:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/03/casey-anthony-defense-asks-state-to-pick-up-costs-wkmg-reports.html
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» Lorna said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 05:03:28 }
 Andrea made a statement to the court in the last hearing (fraud) that she could request indigent…  I feel sorry for the State of Florida. KC sold photos of the precious gem for almost that amount? where did that go? I mean if you look at the work JB and AL have done here there is no way they exhausted that much money? Man I hope Florida gets on the band wagon here and lets their tax paying voices be heard and known.

Ellejay said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 05:03:54 }
From Orange County Clerk of Courts
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234
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This pisses me off to no end!! I hope the reason for getting a justified delay in disclosure has to do with an investigation and all out exposure of the finances behind this case.  Holy shit,  you wanna talk about what’s hinky?  Ohhhh yeah, I did my homework on this topic and mothafkas, there’s a shit load more than “pure evil fuckery afoot” in the there department.  Man-O-Man!  Don’t get me started!

» Danna said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 05:03:05 }

lol Kerflunkled…..Im waiting for an Anthony or Conway statement before Wednesday as to the evidence that isnt there….since the news is reporting DNA charts….it should be something like “there is no DNA…”

Well, that or THERE’S HUNDREDS of unknown individuals’ DNA on EVERYTHING…AND, the DNA of the tibia doesn’t match Caylee so she’s still alive.

It can pretty much go either way for that group of mullet-heads.

Val, for you I will do anything. Including looking at the missing person searches again.

My initial look into it left me with the impression the searches were done on the 16th of July. At least that’s what the two URLs in the desktop internet history for the “casey” account (George and Cindy’s account) say. Remember, we have not seen any internet history or internet cache information from Casey’s “owner” account other than the March, 2008 Google searches. It is very possible (and likely) that lots of other things were found but were not released in discovery (if Casey’s defense has a copy of the hard drive, not sure what, if anything, the prosecution is required to provide the defense beyond that, such as reports). This is what piqued my interest when the Anthony’s were asked about visiting missing person’s websites. Did LE find something more that was not released?

Val – ya know that tibia was cloned, right? so it must match…. heehee

You know about dogs eating grass. I have seen mine eat it on occasion and it never hurt them. My father always told me if they eat the grass it is because they may not be feeling well. So I did a google ha I found this interesting.

To here to read entire article

http://www.wisegeek.com/why-do-dogs-eat-grass.htm

“There’s a lot of debate about why dogs eat grass. Some dogs seem to act like mini lawnmowers, eating grass at every opportunity. Others dogs eat grass only occasionally, subsequently throwing it up.

So do dogs eat grass to throw up? This is a debatable issue. This wisegeek author has observed her dog fling himself at the door to get out to grass and eat a few mouthfuls, usually when his stomach is upset. He also appears to do it when he has something stuck in his throat. The end goal of the dog seems to be to throw up.”

That should of said “GO” not To. Where is that edit button when ya need one?

I’m a little suspicious of all this stuff happening at the same time… the A’s foreclosure, the “Casey’s indigent” thing, the new secret material the state has. I wonder if it all has something in common. I especially don’t trust the foreclosure and indigence stuff. Did Casey’s benefector all of a sudden say I’m not giving you any more money? What did C and G spend their money on — if not their mortgage. Something’s fishing — or should I say “HINKY”. I think something’s being set up for a big surprise down the road. But I’m sorry to say I have no idea what that could be! I just don’t trust those folks — any of them.

» ChicagoJudy said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 08:03:08 }

I read yesterday they (Parents) are still giving Casey money.
I mean she at least gets three meals a day and a place to sleep.
seems they would use that money to pay the bills with. Just saying!

Hey JWG…

RE: Cindy’s SA deposition

I also would also include in Cindy’s ” Judas Moments” yet another premptive strike in taking the fall for Casey’s “Chloroform” searches…

Cindy, in her chronic-diarriah-of-the-mouth-syndrome could not wait to volunteer ( something to this effect) ” that just because her work schedule shows her “punched in at work” didn’t really make it so—because of course there was always the possibility that she just scampered home to look up “chlorofil” mid-day—without punching out–blah blah blah….”

And , Seth and Amy would say: Oh, really…..Oh, really….. Oh, really …??

ivoire

» Valhall said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 04:03:35 }
Calamity,
You asked:
but is it possibile that the search data on chlorophyll was stored in limbo as unallocated space but by the time CSI examined it had already been written over?
I think the important point here is that Cindy and George didn’t use Google or Firefox and didn’t delete their IE browser history. So if Cindy was doing the whole ludicrous chlorophyl chlorophil klorofeel search thingy it wouldn’t have gotten written over because it never would have been sent to unallocated space in the first place.
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Gotcha Val, I see! Althouh, there’s a catch… The thing is, from what I’ve heard about George’s web surfing, I wouldn’t be surprised if he manually deletes his web history. I’m curious too, doesn’t the history automatically delete after a certian span of time and also depending on the computer web settings? Atleast can that arguement be made? Just covering all our bases.

» Valhall said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 05:03:25 }
JWG,
Can I put in a request? lol I’d like hear Play Misty for Me.
Seriously, do you think you could do an analysis on the rumors of the visits to missing children pages? Because from what I have seen when I’ve reviewed the files from the desktop, I don’t think this rumor is true.
I sure would like to hear your expert opinion on this particular issue.

Just for you Val,

MISTY

I actually just saw the Casey’s “Jail Commisary report” for last month….

Cindy deposited $100
George deposite $50

Total $150

Oh, they can cough up the sheckles(sp?) for a lifetime suppy of “jalapeno peanuts” and “bottled water” ( Nancy Grace’s personal pet peeve irritant) but they can’t

Misty – Sarah Vaughan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCi1dqw3PW8

(con’t)

pay their OWN F-ING $700 MORTGAGE?

Oh, REALLY?…Oh, really…….

MAY DAY VAL…MAY DAY VAL!!…I SPAzED OUT AND ACCIDENTLY HIT “SUBMIT” MID POST…..CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THIS IN ITS PLACE….THANKKKKS IVOIRE

Calamity Jane said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 03:03:12 }

I actually don’t think any of your well-thought out hypotheses are feasible when looking at the big picture. Respectfully.

» Danna said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 05:03:05 }

lol Kerflunkled…..Im waiting for an Anthony or Conway statement before Wednesday as to the evidence that isnt there….since the news is reporting DNA charts….it should be something like “there is no DNA…”

Yes, and there was “no odor” when the car was towed to Amscot on the 30th of June per Cindy. Just don’t ask Cindy how she knows this since she hadn’t seen the car or Casey or Caylee since the 15th of June per Cindy.
Seriously, there may be no DNA as pertains to the evidence from the woods. It was hot, it was damp to very wet in swamp water and it sat there for a long time. I am holding out hope that the plastic baby bag of items and the sealed bottle with the syringe (if it’s related to the case) will have been somewhat protected. I also hope that between layers of the duct tape, where layers of adhesive remained to protect it, they might have found something of value. (Could I hope that someone really did tear the tape with their teeth and this might be an area which might have been protected from the elements somehow? Please?) I hold out more hope for the duct tape on the gas cans and all those items removed from the home which is much more climate controlled.

Sorry, I thought I was in Misc. #3. Val, please re-post in proper thread if necessary.

Mimi:

“No odor… NO ODOR!” “No evidence… NO EVIDENCE!”

Junk science! Pizza! You know how hot it’s been!

Get off your azzes and search. You think we’ll even bring you a bottle of water while you’re doing it? Dream on! Git along little doogies, git along.

» Mimi said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 10:03:26 }
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» Danna said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 05:03:05 }

lol Kerflunkled…..Im waiting for an Anthony or Conway statement before Wednesday as to the evidence that isnt there….since the news is reporting DNA charts….it should be something like “there is no DNA…”

Yes, and there was “no odor” when the car was towed to Amscot on the 30th of June per Cindy. Just don’t ask Cindy how she knows this since she hadn’t seen the car or Casey or Caylee since the 15th of June per Cindy.

*****
Actually…
IIRC, Cindy contradicted herself on this precise point during her FBI interview.
I seem to recall her stating that the towing guy TOLD GEORGE that the car smelled, even on the lot at Amscot.

Wish I had time to pull up the transcript and quote her.

Val and JWG,

Thanks for taking another look at the Jun 12, 2008 “searches” for Zenaida…

If an expert can testify, that the search was in fact done on Jun 12, 2008, it seems apparant that this would aid in proving big premediation, evidence. It could be shown hand in hand, with her texts to TL, on the same day. These texts are where we see that KC had provided “BIO’s” on the ficticious players, to TL that morning. Also, the texts reflect that TL, was not interested in hearing about these fake ppl, yet KC kept bringing them back into the conversation deliberately and apparantly, with purpose..

If these searches can be proven, to have taken place that day, it will help illustrate how KC knew on Jun 12, 2008 that KC was going to kill Caylee in a matter of days. The fact that KC told TL on Jun 12, that she would have the house to herself in 3 days, suggests that KC was going to kill Caylee that weekend fight or no fight!.

This should also prove that there was no accident where a cover up became necessary. Or that a fight became the catlayst where a fit of rage resulted in Caylee’s death. Or that neglectful behavior, of lets say (OTC drugs/trunk) resulted in Caylee’s death. It wouold show that KC delibertately planned days ahead, to kill her daughter on about Jun 15.

On account that KC knew that a “Zenaida Gonzales” had been at the Sawgrass Apts suggests that KC was following her in some way. Maybe on Myspace? There could have been an entry on a social networking site that said Zenaida was going to be at, or had been at the Sawgrass also helps with the premediation prior to Jun 16, 2008. Maybe KC saw an entry of such on Jun 12, 2008 where it looks like a seacr for her had been done that day?

Here’s hoping!

Re: » Calamity Jane said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 06:03:32 }
“no way they exhausted that much money”

Agree they haven’t spent that kind of money on anything pertaining to the case, but would bet a huge portion of that money went into private accounts of the attorney’s involved as retainment fees.

Lawyer quits capital case No! not Baez!

However an interesting article nevertheless.

http://keysnews.com/node/21340

In her FBI interview, Cindy said the manager of the tow yard [Simon Burch] said the car had been smelling progressively worse when it was parked in the Johnson’s lot, but Cindy talked to the guy who towed the car [Gary Ridgeway] and he said he didn’t smell anything when he towed the car from Amscot to Johnson’s. What Cindy did not mention to the FBI is that Gary Ridgeway said he had a cold on June 30.

Catherine Sanchez, the manager of the Amscot, said she stood next to the car to look inside the windows, and she did not pick up any foul odor coming from the car. She did note, however, that the car was parked next to the dumpsters, implying smells from the dumpster could have masked smells coming from the car.

I have a question for the attorneys in our midst. How many times can one lie in a deposition before being charged with perjury??

I’m sure there are many, many, more examples we can find, but along this same line – I’ve been looking at Cindy’s deposition transcript re: Dominic Casey’s search on Suburban and lo and behold, Mrs. Anthony is adamant that she had no knowledge of Dominic’s little trip until AFTER Caylee’s remains were found. Even though she admits to putting Dominic into contact with the psychic’s “intemediary” and later exclaiming that Caylee’s body couldn’t have been there because she had already had her people walk those woods. And Lee contradicts her in his own deposition, relaying how his mother told him of the psychic tip and Dominic checking it out before Caylee was found. It upset him, because they as a “team” were supposed to be doing nothing but looking for a live Caylee. She’s busted, again. How much of this will they overlook???

» Mrs C Hop said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 09:03:26 }
maura i agree with your posts about casey checking to see what could be found online about herself but i still think it equals narcissism
she assumes people would be searching the internet for info about her!!

This is the one thing she was “absolutely” right about!

Great analysis by JWG. Great to see Cindy’s lies exposed, irrefutably.

JWG and Valhall are two of the reasons I go to the trouble to get the full discovery file releases – so we don’t have to depend on Media interpretations for complicated issues.
MM

» Muzikman said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 04:03:31 }
[Unread CommentGreat analysis by JWG. Great to see Cindy’s lies exposed, irrefutably.
JWG and Valhall are two of the reasons I go to the trouble to get the full discovery file releases – so we don’t have to depend on Media interpretations for complicated issues.
MM

Thanks for going to through the trouble.

Thanks for going to through the trouble.

The random “to” is a rogue word that just showed up in that sentence. It wasn’t invited.

Val, with all due respect, is this your personal opinion, or has it been confirmed (and by whom), that it ISN’T Casey?

TIA
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» Valhall said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 07:03:44 }
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Notagrandma,

The infamous pic – WHICH I DON’T WANT LINKED HERE – is not Casey.

Excuse me if this has already been covered; but at 400+ comments I can’t read them all and get much needed work done.

What a wonderful article! I’ve been trying to sort out the computer searches mixed with Cindy’s LIES about searching for chlorophyll since I first read the transcript. Her attempt at ‘reasonable doubt’ for the computer searches is weak at best. I mean really, a NURSE needed to look up the possible harmful effects of alcohol and peroxide? And chlorophyll poisoning? Is this the same chlorophyll found in leafy greens and vegetables (etc., etc.)? Sorry for the sarcasm, but the lies that have come from this family are so shallow they have become insulting.

As far as the searches for neckbreaking, shovels, self-defense and chloroform; this all reads, IMO, as Casey searching for options. Out of everything searched, chloroform was the only search that was delved into as Casey found out how easy it was to make from basic household chemicals. I think this appealed to Casey because it was easy to do, readily available and “clean and neat”.

Thanks again for the wonderful article; I hope I can read all the links and comments before the next great Hinky post!

Can anyone tell me when the story about Caylee being ‘kidnapped’ at JBP first came up and who it came from?

I don’t remember Casey saying it in interviews, and Cindy seems to say it came from Lee talking to Casey. But the scenario clearly is referenced in GA FBI interview (along with the Jessie took Caylee , no Zanny and Samantha took her, no drug dealers…etc).

I am trying to pin down when this JBP kidnapping story first appeared, and from who.

Any info is appreciated.

Excellent read! JWG – you always produce such fine work that is simple to understand! Val, super great site, I’m so happy you created the “Hinky Meter”. I am now a humble ‘Meter reader’. The contributions to your site are above par! (MM – you already know I think you da man!)

There have been many references to the Anthony’s out and out lies. Will the pros wait to ‘pounce’ on this once the trial has begun? Will they ever be held accountable for this?

» Maura said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 01:03:17 }
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In her FBI interview, Cindy said the manager of the tow yard [Simon Burch] said the car had been smelling progressively worse when it was parked in the Johnson’s lot, but Cindy talked to the guy who towed the car [Gary Ridgeway] and he said he didn’t smell anything when he towed the car from Amscot to Johnson’s. What Cindy did not mention to the FBI is that Gary Ridgeway said he had a cold on June 30.

Catherine Sanchez, the manager of the Amscot, said she stood next to the car to look inside the windows, and she did not pick up any foul odor coming from the car. She did note, however, that the car was parked next to the dumpsters, implying smells from the dumpster could have masked smells coming from the car.

*****

I thought–off the top– that it was during FBI interview. I’ll have to go back and find it, because I am certain that Cindy contradicted herself.

Thank you, Maura, for looking.
I hope I didn’t waste your time.

In the meantime..
I would encourage everyone to listen to just part 2 of 11 of Cindy’s FBI interview.

Very disturbing.

(get to the STENCH in the car stuff… that SHE brings up, –and then quickly realies is not in Casey’s favor…and then just attempts to gloss over…. and then the whole attempt to blame Amy–give it a minute or so, and then listen to how much time she spends WITH FBI trying to implicate Amy– VS PROVIDING HONEST INFORMATION ABOUT CASEY)

*****
I promise I will soon find the video or transcript that I referred to above.

Another great post and so many great comments!

LOVE LOVE LOVE the Hinky Meter!

» Silverspnr said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 11:03:22
In the meantime..
I would encourage everyone to listen to just part 2 of 11 of Cindy’s FBI interview.

(get to the STENCH in the car stuff… that SHE brings up, –and then quickly realies is not in Casey’s favor…and then just attempts to gloss over…. and then the whole attempt to blame Amy–give it a minute or so, and then listen to how much time she spends WITH FBI trying to implicate Amy– VS PROVIDING HONEST INFORMATION ABOUT CASEY)

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…listening to “old” cindy interviews again—–always an eye-opener.
..she FINALLY finds someone to lead her to kc ( yay!) and enroute amy gives cindy a ton of info ( the divorce? george’s heart attack? moving to a condo?info on kc crashing at ricardos, at tony’s etc etc.)

..cindy’s method of appreciation: blabs to the FBI that she’s suspicious of amy ( and ricardo ) for—-changing her address, going to P.R., not coming by the house, not handing out flyers, ( ricardo—having a drum set!) therefore——-either amy or ricardo ARE zanny.

..if cindy would shut up and think for a second—–maybe amy was too busy at the moment—–being interrogated by LE ( thanks to kc ) meeting with her bank ( thanks kc) getting a lawyer ( thanks kc) the media arriving at her door….

..and regarding the smell in the car—-( b/c yes, i continued on with the FBI interview—( they must have been ready to stick needles in their eyes when she finally was done.)

..part 8 —the very very end—(-@ 9:30 ) or so, she mentions the towyard people telling them: “listen, before you got to the car, they warned my husband” “it stinks, it didn’t smell great when we picked it up, and has been smelling progressively worse since it’s been here” “and george said, ‘you didn’t even have to get that close to it”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fWby86tIo&feature=related

..part 9 —she immediatley starts on the pizza thing—–then switches to “george said it smelled like something died in there” ( 1:30 ) or so, talks about her own experiences with the smell of dead tissue etc—-then— back to pizza gibberish–
..at( 2:50 ) FBI ask cindy what her 1st initial thought was ( when she smelled the car) ?
“something really rank”. then she goes off topic, and begins to immediatley take back the ( reason for ) her 911 calls…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7P7bqcJ0W8&feature=related

..also of interest in part 9 , in the first minutes:

..”umm, in the trunk-there was–a collapsable bin, hangers, a pair—i THINK a pair of kc’s pants….” ( this interview was july 30th–she knew darn well she had already WASHED those pants—-does she think LE and FBI don’t speak to one another ?)

Ellejay said “they must have been ready to stick needles in their eyes when she finally was done.”

I know thats how I feel listening to those interviews….

Danna,

It’s strange the effect the FBI interview videos have on one. Extreme anger at Cindy sums it up for me. I end up talking to my monitor – at times resorting to name-calling – and wanting to reach through and grab Cindy by the throat and scream STFU!

seriously

oceans said: { Mar 6, 2010 – 08:03:14 }
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Can anyone tell me when the story about Caylee being ‘kidnapped’ at JBP first came up and who it came from?

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Ha ha ha ha…..you only get one guess! Now, go ahead and guess!

To find out if you guessed correctly.., (I know you did!) go to the link below, which is Valhall’s most excellent summation of The Jay Blanchard Park Smack down!

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=701

Valhall said: { Mar 7, 2010 – 05:03:46 }

Val, I thought that it was just me that wanted to jump into the screen and choke Cindy during her interviews and depositions… to me the most irritating was the civil suit deposition where IIRC she was deposed by Mr. Morgan. Boy, she was so combative.
Well, I also get irritated when I have to watch JB, LKB and Lyon on National TV. It’s just appalling the way they can twist the truth. 8O
Caylee deserved so much more respect.

Another brilliant post, thank you JWG….not sure I totally understand it yet but hopefully after a couple of rereads I just might. Love Love Love the Judas/Cindy!!! Also a huge hug and thanks to Val for providing such an awesome blog. I used to read at other sights till I found this one. With so many new articles and posts I can hardly keep up with just this one….LOL

I had read in a post above in regard to KC telling TL that she would have the house in 3 day……………then watched I think part 9 of Cindy’s interview (provided in link in a previous post above) of the night she brought KC home and KC says, I dont want to disrupt her as Caylee’s life will never be the same again! No one asked her why or for clarification. This after Cindy knows the car smells like a dead body has been in there.

I did get a chuckle out of her saying it made no sense that KC would leave the car in plain site where she or GA could see it. Said she passed there every morning for work but I think she was on vacation that following week so would not have gone by there. My chuckle point in that was, KC could have taken someone elses car back there the next day and just bought a gas can and then go get gas……..it’s called NO MONEY CINDY!!! The only one left to steal from at that point was TL or his room mates and she needed them. At some point in time KC had to know she was going to be found out. She now has no car, no baby, no money, cant go home, friends were getting limited and she was holding on to TL for dear life. Makes me wonder how this would have played out had the car not been found/towed. How long could she have really circle jerked Cindy about not seeing Caylee.

Sidenote to WSH—Your Chop for Mrs C. Hop cracks me up as I see the same thing….just as FRG=Frog and you WSH=Wish……love it when you say Chop!!

Once again thanks Val for this wonderful place to come and read and be educated and also a big thank you to all the awesome posters for all the information that you bring and the expertise you all share. I have learned so much here and still have a very long way to go to even come close to saying I have a clue!!!! LOL I heart you all…….kb

Yes it will make you crazy listening to all these idiots go on about chit that is completely irrelevant and A CHILD IS MISSING!

Im not dissing LE by any means, and Im sure they know about how to handle different personalities in interviews, etc…but at times I wanted to yell at them too (to ask this Q or that Q…and ask why are you letting that lie slide…take her down… I thought they were much too easy on the whole lot of them.

» ellejay said: { Mar 5, 2010 – 05:03:55 } maura: you have a mind like a steel trap! details, details..

..i’d like to see kc try to “pull the wool over your eyes” , or cindy for that matter—–as they were stumbling over their own contradictions, you’d have their own past statements—–and the very date they said them—-on instant recall!

I think Maura should have a throne seat at the Prosecutors table with her trusty laptop loaded with all her ammo and when Cindy is asked a question by prosecution Maura can type into her search and get instant document, print it out where it will be walked right over to the prosecutor so while Cindy is spinning probably yet another lie the prosecution will have the info in black and white of her previous statement/testimony and she can be called out on all her lies at the exact moment she is telling them.
That would be the Bomb!!!

You know – Silver and Ellejay’s posts got me to thinking. It would probably be instructive (knowing what we know now) to go back over Cindy’s interviws with LE and depositions and look for what she DOESN”T say as much as what she does say. Sins of omission….

What is IT about that damned car always ending up parked next to a dumpster?!

And now I have a little orange box in the top right hand corner of all of my comments.

Sweet!!

You know, the longer this whole fiasco goes on the more rope is being unwound for all the A’s (especially CIndy) to hang themselves.
Had this gone to a speedy trial would have been over by now. KC had a chance to plead to accidental death and she blew it, big time. As a result this whole thing is like the gift that keeps on giving. I’m just hoping that when it all ends the two women most responsible for Caylee will be in jail. I’m actually not sure who I cannot stand more, KC or CIndy. I think the genesis of the whole bad seed thing (KC) started with Cindy. She and KC are evil.

NJ Sleuth, I dislike Cindy more than Casey because I feel she is the genesis of the sickness in that family. It’s very strange.

Lily-

I saw an old (rerun) program, forensic files or cold case? Didn’t catch the entire show, but the guy killed his wife, and told everyone, including his children, that she had left. The case went cold, but later they had a witness that mentioned that he had a storage unit. Another prior witness/neighbor saw him carrying a steamer trunk out of the house around the time the woman “left”. Lo and behold, detectives found the trunk in the storage unit. The remains were covered, or wrapped in a blanket of some sort inside the trunk. The prosecutors said (paraphrase), the smell of death has been brought into this court room, and it was brought here by him ( the defendant). My guess was that the blanket was brought in, and still had the odor. I wonder if that will happen in this case via a trip to the car, or the carpeting, etc from the car.

Anyway, in the case above, the man attempted to claim that it was an accident; that his wife hit her head on the coffee table or something like that. The x-rays revealed a smashed skull. The jury convicted him of second degree murder.

Great post. Don’t worry about the song MISTY, the only person who I have ever known that loved it who was a true nut who haressed me and put me thru a living hell for ten years. LOL
And as far as the computer, don’t ever give away a computer, thinking that everthing is erased and have some idiot calling about something that popped up. Be better to just burn the damn thing. Nothing will ever be erased from a computer. So think before giving a computer away.
Love the site Val. Thanks for all the information that is so interesting.
Still praying for little Aja. Hoping for some good news of her. Worry about her everyday.

» ClockWatcher said: { Mar 7, 2010 – 06:03:27 }
Ha ha ha ha…..you only get one guess! Now, go ahead and guess!
To find out if you guessed correctly.., (I know you did!) go to the link below, which is Valhall’s most excellent summation of The Jay Blanchard Park Smack down!

LOLOL!!!

ellejay said: { Mar 7, 2010 – 03:03:46 }..”umm, in the trunk-there was–a collapsable bin, hangers, a pair—i THINK a pair of kc’s pants….” ( this interview was july 30th–she knew darn well she had already WASHED those pants—-does she think LE and FBI don’t speak to one another ?)

LOL…maybe. She may be the queen of denial but she stinks at telling lies. She’s far from clever. What blows me away and disgust me the most during those tapes other than her trying to implicate innocent people, is that she calls the smell rank and she knew the source of it. I hate how they call Caylee that little girl, always keeping their distance from saying her name and distancing themselves from her. They have nothing to offer her at all and give kc everything. Disgusting.

just a thought on kc’s google searches on herself and the use of the urban dictionary to look up ‘capstar’ and ‘bustdown’
perhaps someone called kc out on her promiscuity
maybe someone who went to the police academy with Jesse and Tony R
she slept with both of them . . .is it possible she slept with other recruits?

One thing that always fascinated me, Brad Conway FINALLY got them to shut up. I would love to know what he told them. I know he sort of SPINS things on his own. And I am just waiting for a press conference to see what he may say before the documents are released on Wednesday. If this wasn’t such a sad case. I would be laughing.

» shyloh said: { Mar 8, 2010 – 09:03:46 }

Shyloh

Maybe it wasn’t Conway, but rather A Lyon. She was probably straight-up about how disastrous those appearances were for Casey. That is my best guess. Conway seemed to be a push over.

It’s not Conway OR Andrea Lyon shutting Cindy up, IMO. No one tells Queen Cindy when to shut up, or why, or how or anything. I think she finally figured out that she was furnishing her own jail cell with her incessant and vulgar spewing. (Maybe LE has laid it out for her, maybe she reads this stuff…

So, since this article has Cindy in it, I want to share what I just got off of CNN. There’s an article saying they found the remains of Amber DuBois.

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Amber DuBois’ parents, who police said were notified of their daughter’s found remains Saturday, attended the press conference. “We’d like to thank everybody involved in the search for Amber… and above all, our huge volunteer corps,” her father, Moe DuBois, said. “They are the most dedicated people you can ever imagine.”

“Without them we cannot have done anything,” he said.

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There, Cindy, that’s how it is done.

Hi…
Constant Lurker…
had a thought…
do u think KC looked up self defense b/c Sindy was always attacking her?

Thanks for all of you guys’ insights. You are brilliant.
I was addicted to this from Day 1 too…
KC reminds me an awful lot of my daughter…
Thank God she doesn’t have children….

Thanks for letting me post !
I LOVE IT HERE !!