The Google Searches
The infamous Google searches that were conducted on the Anthony desktop, and which may or may not come into play in the trial, were conducted in March 2008 – three months before Caylee’s murder. They consisted of searches of the terms: chloroform, chloraform, alcohol, acentone, peroxide, one tree hill, one tree hill 100th episode, how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking and shovel. In addition there is a visit, resulting from one of these searches, to a chapter entitled Personal and Household Articles as Weapons from a book entitled Self-Defense for Women.
In looking at whether the Google searches could have been made by anyone other than Casey we first have to establish whether they were done on her user account of the desktop or on the family user account. The computer forensics files released in discovery do not answer this question because these particular searches were found in unallocated space of the HP desktop. Unallocated file space can be defined as a dumping ground for any data that is erased or deleted – even if that deletion occurs in a format of the hard drive. Many people have the misconception they can simply format their hard drives and permanently removed all the data. This is not true from a forensic standpoint and should be kept in mind when donating a computer for charity. If you really want to protect yourself, you should spend a few dollars to get a cheap hard drive and replace the drive before donating the computer.
The unfortunate part of the Google searches being in the unallocated space is that it doesn’t necessarily preserve all the identifiers for those files. For instance, deleted files in unallocated space can come from multiple user accounts on a single computer. While there may be additional forensic information that has been gleaned from the investigators concerning which user account the files in the unallocated portion of the desktop attach to, we have not been made privy to that information. The reason this is important is that the Google search files found in the unallocated space of the Anthony desktop clearly show files from more than one user account.
Casey Anthony had her own user account on the desktop. It is a very safe and confident assumption that she created this user account in order to prevent her parents from accessing her files, or reviewing her activities on the desktop. I contend that there are certain Google searches found in the unallocated space of the desktop that were conducted on the family account, and others on Casey’s. This made apparent by the fact that there were searches, on two consecutive Saturdays (March 3rd and March 15th) on how to get rid of fleas. These searches included looking at certain flea eradication products such as Capstar and Advantage, as well as visiting sites such as deadfleas.com. These were undoubtedly conducted on the family account on the desktop and if I were guessing were probably conducted by George, but possibly by Cindy.
But the more potentially “nefarious” searches were most likely conducted on Casey’s account. Like I said previously, investigators may have additional information on these unallocated files that definitively tie them to one account or the other. Hopefully this will come out in court.
Another reason it seems apparent it was Casey conducting these searches, and by default on her own account, is that except for one time period in which these searches were conducted, she appears to be the only person home. The first searches for chloroform, chloraform, alcohol, acetone and peroxide were conducted on March 17th from 1:43 pm to 1:55 pm. We can definitely rule Cindy out on these searches because, according to her time sheets, she was at work during this time. But we cannot necessarily rule George out without the actual user account the searches were made on, because, according to his time sheets, he was not working this day. But maybe we can pull in more information that helps us rule him out for the March 17th searches.
On March 19th, from 10:30 to 10:41 am, searches are made on one tree hill and one tree hill 100th episode. This is the much talked about One Tree Hill episode in which a nanny kidnaps the child of a main character. From Cindy and George’s time sheets we find that Cindy worked from 8:30 am to 6 pm and George worked from 7 am to 5 pm. So we can have relative confidence Casey conducted these particular Google searches.
The we come to March 21st. On this date, between 2:16 and 2:28 pm, some one on the Anthony desktop conducted searches for how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking and shovel. They also visited the previously linked Google book on self defense for women. Cindy’s time sheets show she worked from 8:30 am to 6 pm on this date, and George’s time sheets show he worked from 7 am to 5 pm. Again, we are left with a relatively high degree of confidence it was Casey conducting these searches. Which is why we can now establish, with a significant degree of confidence, that it was also Casey conducting the searches for the same terms on March 17th. Logic would hold that unless the whole Anthony clan were obsessed with chloroform, that if Casey was looking up information on chloroform on the 21st, she is most likely the same person conducting similar searches on the 17th.
As stated previously, the entire reason for creating a separate user account on a computer is to privatize the activity and content in that account. I personally do not believe Casey would have shared her user account password with Cindy or George, but I also can’t prove that at this time. However, it is something that will be proven out in court with questioning. In the July 30, 2008 interview between Cindy and the FBI (13:15 minutes into video), she refers to not having this password and needing it in order to get information from Casey’s account. However, in the July 25, 2008 jail visitation between Lee and Casey (14:45 minutes into video) we learn that Lee already knew the possible user name for that account. We know this because in that visitation when Casey gives the password for her desktop account, rico234, Lee says he has already tried that and it doesn’t work.
This brings up some questions that will have to be answered in court (and they will be, I assure you):
1. Was the password to Casey’s account on the desktop EVER rico234? Possibly not.
2. Was the password to her account previously rico234 and then she changed it on the morning of July 16th while she and Cindy were mucking about on the computer?
3. When did Lee learn of the rico234 password, and from whom?
In Lee’s 2009 deposition with the prosecuting attorneys, on page 182, he states that before he went to Tony’s apartment to get the laptop he went out to the patrol car where Casey was sitting and asked her for her passwords to her various accounts. But the SA does not question Lee as to whether those passwords included the password to her user account on the desktop. This is what needs to be asked during the trial. If Cindy and George testify they never knew Casey’s user account password, and Lee testifies he did not learn of “rico234″ until the night of July 15th, then this will establish with a great deal of certainty that the searches were conducted by Casey.
Valhall.
References:
http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html
Related posts:
- The Google Searches and Cindy’s Judas Moment
- The “Zenaida” Searches
- Computer Savvy Casey?
- Timer55 and the Anthony Conspiracy
- Timeline and Forensics Files Updated 10/29/09
Tags: casey anthony, caylee anthony, chloroform, computer forensics, google searches, lee anthony, neck breaking, one tree hill, shovel
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unfrickinbeleivable,,, looks like caylees blood money is paying MOTY’s court fines. i am past the gaggging stage with those vile people
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Have you seen this in the orange co docs?? they just keep heaping disrespect on little caylee… damn them all.
Val – great article, as always! Another thing that one notices about the chloroform searches is that “choloroform – how to make” is rearched/ looked at, but never “chloroform – toxicity to dogs” etc. I cannot believe Cindy had the gall to claim those searches were her trying to find out if chlorophyl was making her dogs throw up. No way.
Val
I clicked the link to the google book, but it said that I was timed out. What was on that page? I never understood the “shovel” search. Was there something about it in that chapter?
When I did a google search for shovel, the results were primarily for sales of shovels. Do you think that she may have been looking into purchasing a shovel herself, so that if she had to bury something she could discard the shovel and no one would be the wiser ?
In other words the Anthonys wouldn’t notice anything missing?
Valhall,
Good morning Val!!!
Thank you for clarifying that for us… this is very interesting. I remember Cindy saying on Today Show (I am not sure it was this show, I believe it was) she was searching for the chlorophyl… I guess this was the word she used to explain the searches for chloroform. That was laughable.
Wow Val…..I am amazed at how you always give us something to ponder. I hope you can keep our minds busy until May of 2011!
Anyway, I would have trouble believing that anyone other than Casey would be searching for One Tree Hill. Makes no sense.
Because Lee was in “super sleuth” mode from the minute this whole mess happened, I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that Casey gave him her passwords at some point during those first 24 hours. However, knowing Casey, she also liked to give out “false” information, as proved by giving her own brother false telephone numbers to her friends.
My question…….when were Cindy and George’s timesheets released in document dumps? I didn’t remember seeing those.
i remember when i originally saw the search terms..my first thoughts on the shovel, self defense, and household items were she was looking for items and/or “moves” and how they could be used to break a neck..
Cecelia, that accounting is for costs of court fillings/copies of documents that the media and the defense team have requested.
“Chop”
I can’t imagine that using a shovel would be the easiest tool to break a neck. But quite honestly, I have never considered breaking a neck, so maybe it is??
» Scratch my hinkey said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 09:02:57 }
Wow. That is insane.
Regarding the computer searches:
On page 164 of Diane Fannings book she states Tony and Nate were sitting on the couch playing video games, and Casey was tapping on her laptop. Yet Lee states the computer just a few hours later had a “blue screen of death”
Have any of the computer forensics looked into this, perhaps a dump file the computer might have generated?
If Casey was tapping on it when her mother arrived, she couldn’t attempt to corrupt the computer herself. Would a time stamp someplace on the hard drive indicate when the attempt, if any, occurred?
Did Tony just hit the power button, and at power up
, an improper shut down screen was presented? Or did Lee attempt to disable the computer?
At timestamp or dumpfile might answer that question.
So again, any forensics on the laptop?
Thanks
Someone on here pulled up transcripts, probably Maura, and if I recall correctly, Tony stated that the blue screen was up before Lee arrived.
What I can’t understand and maybe someone can enlighted me as to why are these people on a night that their granddaughter is missing so worried about passwords.
What was so important about the computer? Was it just to get the word out about Caylee or do you all feel that they were already trying to cover things up? The blue screen that Lee talks about on the laptop, do we have any truth to that.
Thanks WSH, I couldn’t find that, I thought the statemnts were Lee’s
Ssnc, that one actually makes sense to me. In the first few hours, the family was searching for an email for Zanny, possibly a picture of Zanny, and/or possibly a ransom note about Caylee. It makes sense that they would try to reach out to the computer for all the help they could get, as Casey was busy trotting the police around town from one lie to another.
I think Tony confirmed the blue screen on the laptop, as Lee reported.
The entire “blue screen” thing just seems unlikely to me.
For Casey to be on the computer when Cindy arrives, never to touch it again, then to all of a sudden display a blue screen while not in use, seems absurd.
Other than a power down, Tony had no reason to do anything to the computer, as he had no idea what was going on.
It all just seems hinky to me. (and if this has been discussed, could someone direct me to the blog post…Then my Hinkey will get scratched)
Thanks
I don’t usually post online because my ideas are always “out there” but could it be possible that Casey used a fake screensaver download to make it look like the computer was messed up? Microsoft has offered this as a gag for years in order to fool your friends, etc.
The link is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897558.aspx
Maybe Casey was a bit paranoid that someone would access her computer or whatever so in case of emergency, added it.
I could be wayyyy off, I know. Casey doesn’t seem like a very good planner, but it’s just a thought.
It wasn’t a transcript, here is Maura’s post:
Lee Anthony: “He knows what he has done.”
» Maura said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 01:01:16 }
Tony Lazzaro answered questions on Scared Monkeys in September 2008, and he said the laptop already had a blue screen when the deputy showed up for the cell phone at 11:00pm. Tony and the deputy tried to get the laptop working again, but they couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it, so they decided to leave it for Lee. Lee didn’t get to Tony’s until an hour later, so the laptop was already fried when Lee showed up to get it. We’ve certainly gone through the scenarios on old threads here. It’s my opinion that Lee may have deleted files from the HP, but I do not believe he deleted any files from the laptop.
I think I’ve argued this before on this site, but IMO, OCSO was looking to charge Lee because of Lee’s “ploys” to get witnesses to open up to him by throwing mud at other witnesses (and claiming LE was the source of the mud Lee was throwing).
I would still wonder it the blue screen dump file was cached someplace on the hard drive.
One of the things that have always boggled my mind (mind you this entire case does actually) If Cindy wanted to talk to Caylee why didn’t she just call ZG to talk to her? After all Cindy did have her ( ZG) numbers right LOL? I just don’t understand these people at all.
When my grandchildren lived with me. I had the daycare’s numbers and a lot of my daughter’s friends numbers. But now that they don’t live with me. I don’t have them. I feel that is a totally different situation.
Is it possible that Casey got on the HP prior to police arriving , or in the midst of all the interrogations, way earlier in the evening, and created the blue screen herself? Someone with a mind for time lines, and events like Val or Maura could answer this. It seems mind boggling that Lee would be in cover up mode so quickly. There was one point in his jail conversations with Casey that he sounds almost annoyed with her and says that Caylee is most important( paraphrase), so I have a difficult time thinking that he would blindly wipe out stuff on her computer for her earlier than that conversation. I just don’t know.
WSH,
You stated the HP, but the blue screen was on the laptop.
I know,what I’m saying is could she have caused a crash remotely FROM the HP?
I could be wrong but Lee and Casey spent some time alone in the Garage right? Could that be why Lee visited Tony’s. Not sure what time or date this happened. But I do recall it. Maybe she clued him in on some things that maybe he should grab that computer and get rid of some things. But Tony did say the blue screen was up before Lee arrived.
WSH-
From all of the interviews regarding Casey being picked up by Cindy that day, Casey had every intention of returning to Tony’s. With all the time she logged on a computer, if she intended to return, why would she corrupt the computer so she couldn’t use it upon her return?
In none of the interviews, is it ever stated that Casey had access to that computer from the time Cindy picked her up, (stating “I’m coming back”
till the time it was returned to the house.
Hi Valhall,
Your posts are nothing short of SPECTACULAR!
Thank you for sharing your insight, and hard work!
Can you talk a little about the “Zenaida” computer searches…
I have always believed that the forensic report that showed us history of these “Zenaida” searches and were dated in Oct 07, and one Jun 12, 2008 helped show premeditation. I always thought this was KC’s homework of where amd how the ficticious character was brought to life…
I have now heard for the first time that searches can be done and then saved to an already created file, and the date that we see for eg. Oct 2007, wasnt necessarily the date the search was done, but the date the file that stored the search had been created..
If this is the case, does it apply to the neckbreaking searches as well? In other words how do we know that the dates shown are the actual dates the search was done, and not just the date the file folder was created that stored the search information…If yopu could explain this I wud greatly appreciate it…
Thanks you.. I have copied the searches for your reference below……….
AJ
Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez
A keyword search for “Zenaida” was conducted on the HP desktop computer. The
following files are records of web pages indicating that someone was searching for that name on the Internet.
Name: casey@www.reunion[2].txt
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 07/16/08 06:21:17AM
Last Accessed: 07/16/08 06:21:27AM
Last Written: 07/16/08 06:21:27AM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Cookies\casey@www.reunion[2].txt
zenaida
Name: history.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 10/22/07 01:13:21PM
Last Accessed: 07/16/08 12:03:24PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 12:03:24PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\mfhaxjkl.default\history.dat
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends\ =203461948897ec12-9984-4944-b65e-
6dcef3d5a590=zenaida
Name: index.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Accessed: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 04:20:12PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
http://clk.atdmt.com/RUC/go/whtpgreu0210000164ruc/direct;at.rucreu00001670;ct.1/01?dispatch=show SearchRegistration&action=peopleSearch_wp_resultcount&city=&mname=&peopleSearchFrom=wp&affiliate id=131&searchFirstName=zenaida&searchLastName=Gonzalez&searchAge=25
Name: index.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Accessed: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 04:20:12PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=Fernandez&searchState=FL&searchCi ty=jacksonville&searchFName=Zenaida&adID=303014F936&adsource=8&TID=0&cid=people&searchtab=people •ð-•newsearch[2]
ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE
08-069208 COMPUTER FORENSICS REPORT
Name: Unallocated Clusters
Description: File, Unallocated Clusters
File Created:
Last Accessed:
Last Written:
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Unallocated Clusters
http://searchservice.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sitesearch.results&\
qry=zannie&type=People&srchBy=Name&g=F&loc=orlando%2Cfl32829&minAge=22&maxAge=\
26&d=25
Name: Unallocated Clusters
Description: File, Unallocated Clusters
File Created:
Last Accessed:
Last Written:
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Unallocated Clusters
“http://x.myspacecdn.com/modules/sitesearch/static/js/sitesearch003.js”>
Name: Unallocated Clusters
Description: File, Unallocated Clusters
File Created:
Last Accessed:
Last Written:
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Unallocated Clusters
“http://searchservice.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sitesearch.results&qry=zanie&type=People& srchBy=Name&g=F&loc=orlando%2Cfl32829&upic=on&npic=on&minAge=22&maxAge=26&d=25
———————
You can access any computer remotely, if you have it set up that way. I’m wondering if SHE got on the HP accessed the laptop and made everything go kaput.
Lexi
The time sheets are here:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf
Cindy’s begins on page 10.
WSH – idk either just a thought , Who Knows what the nut case was thinking .. In Re to the laptop is it possible Casey quickly delated one of those main windows files & shut down when her mom showed up giving the blue screen the next time someone tried to boot up? I remember Cindy telling her to “go get her stuff” while Cindy waited outside…
I’m a MAC, so I don’t know the intricacies of PCs. But if she had remote log on, she could access the computer and maybe throw out the hard drive, or some important component?
I guess she could have done something quickly while Cindy waited for her outside, as well. Probably Tony was so perplexed as to what was going on, that maybe he didn’t notice?
“Tony Lazzaro answered questions on Scared Monkeys in September 2008, and he said the laptop already had a blue screen when the deputy showed up for the cell phone at 11:00pm. Tony and the deputy tried to get the laptop working again, but they couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it, so they decided to leave it for Lee.”
This is very strange as well. If they were taking the cell, crashed or not, why wouldn’t they take the laptop as well? Why leave it when it may contain phone numbers to find a missing child? Or emails?
» Scratch my hinkey said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:55 }” This is very strange as well. If they were taking the cell, crashed or not, why wouldn’t they take the laptop as well? Why leave it when it may contain phone numbers to find a missing child? Or emails?”
I know, frustrating, isn’t it?
I wonder when the “My Caylee is missing” post was deleted. That would be very interesting.
WSH-
I still don’t think Casey crashed to Laptop herself, she had every thought and intention of returning to Tony’s. And according to statements, she wasn’t alone at the anthony house to log on remotely. (I think if they had that functionality, rather than posting a my space, Cindy would have direct messaged the computer, or changed the security settings so Casey no longer could log in)
Casey’s response to the my caylee is missing post is another thing that is going to do her in. What will be the defense explaination for their clients own words….wonder when that was deleted too..
Also I think with any of the programs which allow you to remotely access you need an IP address. (and some means of authentication?)
Valhall
what about the missing children websites? Do we know what exactly was looked at? I have seen many people comment these searches were done at the same time in March, is that correct?
Lee was on the HP while this case was evolving wasn’t he? (While the detectives were all over the house. )
Casey may have had intentions of returning, but once the police were called, she knew that returning to Tony’s that night wasn’t going to happen. I wouldn’t think that Cindy would be fast enough to consider locking Casey out of the computer that night, she had other things going on. Especially if Casey said she was going to do searches for Zanny, what have you. To boot, Cindy may not have known enough about computers to know about remote access.
While it is true that CSY was online or using her cell phone constantly- she does not strike me as someone who is computer savy/technical.
Does anyone have any idea what Tony was studying in school -or more about Lee’s background? It seems more likely that they would have done something to the computer for whatever reason. Just because someone goes online and posts pictures on “My Space”- does not mean they know how to disable their computer quickly? I just don’t think CSY would have been that prepared.
But how did they obtain the IP address, or even know what network the computer was or was not logged into, let alone if it was powered up? If casey was logged into the internet access at Tony’s How did they ID her computer?
» cecelia said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 08:02:12 }
Just because the fines were paid does not mean that it was the Anthony family that paid them. It could easily have been an Attorney who shelled out the money so that these outstanding amounts would not impact Casey during the murder trial. I don’t think that you can assume that it was money collected from donations having to do with Caylee. It could also be that it was money paid by the Anthony family but out of their own pockets from cash advances on credit cards and that it will be repaid through their ordinary funds received through work.
Now on to the topic at hand.
If drives are formatted under MSDOS then there is no administrative data on the files in unallocated file-space left on the drive unless the format was done using the quick format feature of the OS. This is true because this data is stored in directory files on these drive formats and this space is zeroed out during an actual high level format. The quick format is different because all it does is zero out the two file allocation tables on the drive, leaving the directory files in unallocated file-space but otherwise unaffected. You can rebuild file contents using sophisticated algorithms but you cannot reclaim the information on where the file was originally located and who the original owner (user name) of the file was if the drive was actually high level formatted.
If the drive is low level formatted, then most data is destroyed as far as accessing it through software alone. there is a technique which destroys the drive physically, which can pull data from the drive under this scenario. If each file is first overwritten with all zeroes and then deleted prior to a low level format, then the data is totally unrecoverable through all current technologies.
That is why this is the method required by NSA security rules for sensitive information drives.
Scratch.
Someone had the remote access on a MAC laptop a few years ago. The laptop was stolen, the woman logged in and was able to find the person who stole it, and got her computer back. I ‘m not sure how. I’m sure that you’d have to have a master password to get in, other than that I’m not sure what would be required. If the laptop internet connection was part of a service, wouldn’t the IP remain semi-static anyway?
I’ll put something together on that.
Full Sail university is a media arts college.
Lee worked for click and park(?) (Click and Park
Permit & Program
Manager
Lee Anthony)
This is all WAG on my part, and could be very wrong.
According to the forensic report, all passwords on the desktop were changed en-mass on …
“Last Password Change: 05/14/08 08:49:19AM”
Interestingly, 5/14/08 is 55 days before the Puerto Rico trip. Even more interesting is this text from Casey to Amy one minute later:
5/14/08 WED 8:49 AM OUTGOING TEXT
It’s official. As long s we take our trip within the first 2 weeks of July I’m set. I just got my vacation cleared.
One wonders if the “official” act clearing vacation was a simple password change to “timer55″.
William Hill-
Basically “scrubbing” the drive, correct?
I forget…Was the laptop a MAC?
» JWG said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:30 }
Weird, JWG
correct. scrubbing the drive
I thought that Tony said that the blue screen was there before Lee came?
Mr. Hill-
In the compaqs case, some data was recovered. so I’m of the opinion the drive wasn’t scrubbed.
» William Hill said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:14 }
I thought that Tony said that the blue screen was there before Lee came?
He did. That’s why I was wondering if something could have been done remotely to it.
BRAVO, JWG! This makes perfect sense.
I really do hope that we are all just thinking this is complicated and it really isn’t. So much in this case is so unclear. Lets all pray that the prosecutors have it all straight when it comes to the big day that we have to wait another year for.
Does Cindy ever say that she did try all the phony numbers for Zanaida. Did she show law enforcement that night all the numbers she had. If not, she may have made up all the numbers after the fact. Who knows.
I would like to know if it was ever determined when the entry was made into that diary?
About no regrets etc. etc.
I would also like to ask Cindy if she still looking for Zanaida and what are the latest leads.
It’s alleged he said that on a scared monkeys post. Nothing really “official” or in discovery
I suppose that it could have been dumb luck that the laptop was blue screened?
» Scratch my hinkey said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:21 }
It’s alleged he said that on a scared monkeys post. Nothing really “official” or in discovery
Good point Scratch.
It could be done remotely, but not without leaving a trial in cyberspace. LE would have been able to track who did it if it were done remotely. Each machine has a MAC address as well as an IP address. The MAC address is traceable to a particular device (modem, cable modem, etc).
My other thought on remote access would shoot the google searches theory. As anyone at anytime could have remotely logged in, from any place, on any computer.
(ie gotomypc.com)
» Scratch My Hinkey said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:40 }
My other thought on remote access would shoot the google searches theory. As anyone at anytime could have remotely logged in, from any place, on any computer. (ie gotomypc.com)
Did George have a job where he sat behind a computer?
William Hill said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:41 }
It could be done remotely, but not without leaving a trial in cyberspace. LE would have been able to track who did it if it were done remotely. Each machine has a MAC address as well as an IP address. The MAC address is traceable to a particular device (modem, cable modem, etc).
Thanks William. I forgot about the MAC address. Was there a lot deleted from the laptop? I’m confusing myself here, because originally Val wrote the post about what was searched and subsequently deleted on the HP.
Once again, this could be traced by using the MAC address and looking at the server logs.
I know that they took the drive from the laptop at one point. I do not remember if they found anything erased or missing.
» William Hill said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:29 }
Once again, this could be traced by using the MAC address and looking at the server logs.
Do we know for certain that it wasn’t? Also, what was deleted off of the laptop, do you remember? Was it significant? In other words, please forgive my stupidity, but did the blue screen on the laptop actually result in a grand loss of data? I can’t remember any more!
Actually, loet me rephrase that – I think that they took the drive from the laptop at one point.
We do not know that they didn’t. It is possible that this was even what they were talking about when they said that Lee knew what he had done….
Mr. Hill-
If the Laptop did have a blue screen of death, wouldn’t it have created an event log?
(Or dump file?) You know the bubble you get… IE has stopped working please wait while we chack for a solution, etc?)
Assuming Casey suspected she was busted and did not want someone to get into her computer, she may have tried to do a delete of the contents of the C drive (go to C:\ folder, do a CTL-A to select all files, then press delete), or a format of the C drive. Deleting the contents should be enough because the device drivers will go missing. I am not willing to try this out at home, though.
Otherwise, the BSOD may have been legit – a coincidence.
Scratch:
Yes, unless it was caused by a drive problem. Then, no.
Just keep in mind that Lee states he was using the laptop the very next morning.
JWG:
Maybe, but they tried (Tony and Lee) multiple times to get the machine back up and could not. I assume that this means that the necessary files were no longer there to load the OS.
Oh? Okay. Then it was not a failure of the drive. I must have remembered that wrong.
Thanks JWG
I did a cursory google search on the laptop and can’t really find anything related to deleted items, etc. Most of the results discuss the lack of any Zanny communication and about the illustration that says why do people want to kill people who kill, or however that went. Maybe the blue screen doesn’t mean anything, as you said.
I could have sworn that I remember someone saying that they had tried to boot the machine several times and had no luck.
I’ll get the bsod when my bluetooth (usb removable drive devise) has an issue. (plugged into the wrong slot….)
They did…that night. But Lee himself states he was using it the next morning.
Of course, Lee could have had to reformat the drive and use a sttarter disk to reinstall the OS from scratch. He could have done that over night no problem and had it back in shape to use again. Or he could have reinstalled over the old OS without a format and that would have kept most of the data intact.
Valhall, that’s why I found this odd. Nothing is said about reformatting, seeing the geek squad, removing the battery (usually the first thing you do) and reinstalling it. Or in my case, removing the usb device. How did this machine miraculously come back to life?
ps out of curiousity, who was the primary user of the machine before June 16th?
when kc was iming at night was it on the PC or laptop?
» cecelia said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 08:02:12 }
Defendant ANTHONY, CASEY MARIE
Total Financial Assessment 7,384.62
Total Payments and Credits 7,384.62
Balance Due as of 02/06/2010 0.00
These are not fines! When someone requests copies of documents filed in the case the clerk’s office charges a fee (not a fine) to make copies and the person must pay that assessment before they receive the documents. If one reads the financial data listed by the clerk’s office it is readily apparent that media has been the one paying these appropriate charges and to make a reference that this is “blood money” payments or fines is just misleading or a failure to understand the how the clerk’s office handles requests for copies of court documents.
Love your blog Val – just work excellent in my book!
Good grief – now I have dyslexia of the fingers.
Foxie:
I was assuming that the data was correct as posted by Cecilia. I should have checked. My mistake.
Scratch
It was Cindy’s computer. I don’t think she really used it though. I think Casey used it all the time.
BTW, why would Lee use KC’s computer if it had problems… why didn’t Lee turn over the computer to LE instead of trying to fix the computer himself. He could have used his own computer if he wanted to search for whomever he was trying to right? I believe he had one, didn’t he? The Anthony’s don’t understand that investigation should be done by the police… well, I guess it doesn’t apply to them. Isn’t this tampering with evidence? Just wondering.
Foxie-
I stated the same as you…. (but even before this, I had no digital dexterity…see my many mis types)
I can’t recall the time line, but didn’t Casey tell her friends that the laptop was a work computer, implying that it was given to her buy Universal?
Oh, and FRG, remember, he was looking at the facebook, myspace, other social networking sites, and email accounts. NOT the documents or information stored on the machine. All the sites, and accounts he was trying to access, he could have done so from any machine.
buy Universal?…BY
If Casey was using the laptop when her mother and Amy showed up it is possible that she just turned off her laptop without closing down windows resulting in the dreaded blue screen when the computer was booted up the next time, or she got a virus from all of the surfing that she would do and voila it ate her computer alive.
Here’s another question regarding the chloroform searches.
Cindy stated she was looking up chlorophyll, because her dogs ate a plant.
Wouldn’t you look up the plant type to see if it’s poisonous?
Why would a nurse look up chlorophyll?
In MHO the reason Lee was so interested in getting in to Casey’s on permanent loan from mother computer was due to the fact tht she had stored on the hard drive things that she did not want anyone to see and the only person she felt she could trust was her brother to go in an delete files, which he apparently did.
That was another one of Mrs. Anthony’s unbelievable statements.
Well, I think I’m going to go search water, to see if something is poisonous in my cranberry juice. Thanks Valhall, Mr Hill, WSH, for the informative postings. Catch you all later
Foxie
What do you mean, just her lifestyle, in general? That would make sense.
» Scratch my hinkey said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 12:02:38 }
Well, I think I’m going to go search water, to see if something is poisonous in my cranberry juice
LMAO
That’s why I think it’s at least possible she was using a fake blue screensaver. It’s easy to download and widely popular as a gag to fool your friends. This is what it says it does:
“One of the most feared colors in the NT world is blue. The infamous Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) will pop up on an NT system whenever something has gone terribly wrong. Bluescreen is a screen saver that not only authentically mimics a BSOD, but will simulate startup screens seen during a system boot.
Bluescreen cycles between different Blue Screens and simulated boots every 15 seconds or so. Virtually all the information shown on Bluescreen’s BSOD and system start screen is obtained from your system configuration – its accuracy will fool even advanced NT developers. For example, the NT build number, processor revision, loaded drivers and addresses, disk drive characteristics, and memory size are all taken from the system Bluescreen is running on.”
If Tony and Lee noticed this, and the computer continued to reboot with the bluescreen, they would have obviously thought it was corrupted. BUT since Lee stated he used it the next morning, perhaps he figured out it was a screensaver and disabled it? I really don’t think Casey would have corrupted the laptop. Like a poster above said, she had no plans to leave Tonys! And if she would have been given one more day like she wanted, then she would have had to go back to a corruped computer. No more facebook and myspace? I don’t think she would want that. That was a major part of her world.
Just a thought once agian.
We know that Casey’s lifestyle was in the fast lane and that racy Casey had some racy pictures that have surfaced and IMHO those photos were also on the laptop. Just speculation, but there had to be some reason she personally sent Lee to Tony’s to get the laptop. They spent quite a few minutes alone and who knows what plans they made.
» kim said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 12:02:40 } No more facebook and myspace? I don’t think she would want that. That was a major part of her world.
It must be so boring in jail. I wonder if the guards talk to her all day. She never sees her family, and it seems the lawyer visits have slowed down. She’s not with jail mates. I would go batshit crazy. How does she do it, especially, since she was ALWAYS interacting with someone in the past?
timer55 may have something to do with the blue screen… if you try to log onto it without knowing the right pass word it locks everything. you have 3 tries. Could be??
One more thought before my google search-
Why would a registered nurse grow toxic plants in her yard that her 2 year old granddaughter could ingest?
LOL Scratch – you are talking about Cindy – she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer!
Blank Screen Option. (TSL-PRO Only) Choose to display a blank screen when the system is locked, rather than viewing programs running on the desktop. (Ideal for preventing unauthorized system access, in a stand-alone or multi-user environment with all the features listed here, while preventing the display of confidential information.)
http://www.e-motional.com/TScreenLock.htm
this is a program that allows a blank screen if you try to access without password…
there are many out there for security….
Yes , why would you have to go and run and get her computer when you can access any computer and begin searching for info. Something is up with that computer.
Lee knows something. He is so out of the picture right now and there has to be a reason he is laying low.
It just baffles me that this girl thought this would just go away like another day.
I just wish that Cindy and George would have stayed out of this mess. They have really done a banger on this case. They have added so much trouble to this case.
What will we all talk about after this girl is put to death or in jail for life. I have really learned alot about all sorts of stuff. So very sad that it took the death of a little girl to learn so much.
JWG said: | Edit { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:30 }
According to the forensic report, all passwords on the desktop were changed en-mass on …
“Last Password Change: 05/14/08 08:49:19AM”
Interestingly, 5/14/08 is 55 days before the Puerto Rico trip. Even more interesting is this text from Casey to Amy one minute later:
5/14/08 WED 8:49 AM OUTGOING TEXT
It’s official. As long s we take our trip within the first 2 weeks of July I’m set. I just got my vacation cleared.
One wonders if the “official” act clearing vacation was a simple password change to “timer55″.
I also wonder if the bogus password “rico234″ she gave to Lee reveals how much KC REALLY wanted to go on that trip to Puerto Rico with her friends. Stealing Amy’s checks was a way for KC to get back at Amy for going without her.
I am not sure how computer savvy was KC. I also don’t believe TL would mess up with KC’s computer… as we all know he had no knowledge of the things that were happening… and yes, Lee tried to throw him under the bus from the beginning… just his sister was telling the truth (NOT). it’s the Anthony’s dynamic, it’s anybody else’s fault but theirs.
Lee lives in la la land. 
I almost fell off my chair when I heard Lee’s deposition in the civil case when he said “to this day I believe everything my sister tells me”… go figure!!!!
FRG You are so right, I think they all live in lalalala land.. I loved when they went on Larry King the second time and he asked them, “why don’t you visit your daughter, if she is innocent, then whats the harm”.. both her and George were like I dare you asked such a question. I wish someone would continue to ask them the hard questions. I do believe Casey has something on Cindy and that is why she is supporting her. The truth will come out.
I guess I have more observations-
If Casey and Lee were in cahoots to destroy evidence on the laptop that night, why didn’t she give him the correct passwords until the holding center visit? Why did she give him the rico234, when they were changed enmass to timer55 on may14th?
If it was a BSOD screensaver, all you would have to do is hardboot the computer to get back to the original sign in screens, and sign in as a different user. (same holds true for the overwrite of the old OS.
But in the last scenerio, no one could get into her photos, docs, files saved in her user account.
Wasn’t it in official docs that most of the disturbing pictures were on photobucket, and some had already made it to the internet (georges interview when he got sick?)
If it was a BSOD screensaver, if at some other time Casey was logged on, and the machine went into screen saver mode, wouldn’t someone have noticed it before?
Friends all thought it was a work machine, no family around, why be that paranoid to put that kind of SS on the machine?
(I’m not saying the machine is key in any way, I just can’t seem to find any sense in it)
(to date, in the discovery there hasn’t been an interview with the officer that picked up the cell phone which includes the bsod collaboration) Again, it makes no sense that an officer would attempt to gain access, then leave the machine there.
I’n not saying Tony did anything, it just makes no sense.
…now…you know this all can be explained away by Zanny the Nanny having access to the house with the key provided to her. (that was hard to type with a straight face)
“how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking and shovel” —> Sounds almost like she was going to set up an even more elaborate (if possible) story to explain a break-in that would have killed her parents, and stole her child, leaving Casey as the only surviving victim. Fortunately she would have the house to herself to mourn properly in….
Val writes:
“In Lee’s 2009 deposition… page 182, he states that before he went to Tony’s apartment to get the laptop he went out to the patrol car where Casey was sitting and asked her for her passwords to her various accounts.”
WHY would Lee need passwords to pick up a computer– the passwords don’t stop someone from phycially transporting the machine? (redundant question of course) Lee later suspected Tony, but he didn’t worry about using passwords to use the computer in this later-to-be-suspect’s apartment.
Thank you Valhall for writing another article in a way that makes things very understandable to those like myself who have very little computer knowledge. Left to myself I would never be able to interpret computer data at all.
» JWG said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 11:02:30 }
Thanks to you JWG for answering a question that has bothered me for a long time. Timer55 and what it might mean. You came up with the correct answer here IMO.
Also, what happened to the theory that “timer55″ was in reference to a java script?
Also a docstoc link to the compaq forensics.
I forgot she used the user name of bobby on that machine. Does anyone know the significance?
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603690/casey-anthony-computer-report
Sorry, here’s the link
Excellent point: If Cindy missed Caylee and she was with Zanny and Cindy actually had a phone number for Zanny… why didn’t she call Zanny herself. I bet that phone number will never show up with LE because Cindy didn’t give the phone number or its just a fake number. IF Cindy were frustrated with Casey why didn’t she call the Nanny directly….. perhaps she knew there never was a nanny by any name.
The second excellent point is Lee saying under oath.. I believe EVERYTHING my sister tells me. Perhaps that is why he needed to make a deal because that was such a huge lie under oath.
This case sure is interesting and will only get more so … but I wish it would get in the court quicker.
Casey must be going nuts without a computer, cell phone, visitors, friends, even a refrigerator door to open. No drugs, no booze, no tv, no conversation. She’s probably reading law books and studying and studying. Maybe she will realize her attorney STINKS one of these days????? One would only hope that JB won’t be the cause of an appeal for ineffective counsel.
What about the bar complaint that Strictland filed… What’s happening with that.
Of interest to me is the diary of days entry, the author is reported as cmanthon of gentiva corp on July 2nd. (this is the everyone lies, everyone dies entry on caseys myspace)
Timer55 – 55 days until she will put her plan into action using all the information she found through her internet searches? Would she have knocked off the whole family, gone on her funfilled trip to Puerto Rico, then acted all distraught coming back to a bloody massacre? Wasn’t Cindy scheduled to be on vacation during that time? Chances are no one would have missed them.
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And even after she gave Lee rico234, this followed:
“In a jailhouse visit in July, Lee Anthony, Casey Anthony’s brother, seemingly played the role of family detective, but she did not offer much information until he mentioned computer passwords.
“Any meaning behind the passwords that would be clues to any of this?” Lee Anthony asked.
“Yes,” Casey Anthony replied.
“Does that include the MySpace sign in passwords as well as the computer passwords?” Lee Anthony said.
“The computer passwords, no. MySpace and Facebook, yes,” Casey Anthony said.
“All right, so there is meaning behind those?” Lee Anthony said.
”Yes,” Casey Anthony said.
“Password for that is?” Lee Anthony asked.
“Cays234,” Casey Anthony said.
But less than an hour later, Casey Anthony gave her mother, Cindy Anthony, a different answer.
“I don’t know your MySpace password,” Cindy Anthony said.
“Facebook account (is) timer55 (and the) password is the same as my MySpace,” Casey Anthony said.”
This was taken from a report from Tony Pipitone
Nauseated, I firmly believe that the searches for neckbreaking, household weapons etc, was Casey looking to kill her parents and Caylee, go away on vacation and return to the carnage. She would have had the sympathy of the world and would always be “poor Casey”. Plus think of all the financial gain, the freedom, the house, the life insurance, the “Bella Vita”.
“Any meaning behind the passwords that would be clues to any of this?” Lee Anthony asked.
“Yes,” Casey Anthony replied.
Now what meaning or significance can we place on cays234? It seems placing 234 at the end of a password was quite common for the mensa wannabe. So, that leaves us with cays. Anyone?
Scratch
You are on a roll today. Very funny.
EDRN said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 03:02:49 }
Nauseated, I firmly believe that the searches for neckbreaking, household weapons etc, was Casey looking to kill her parents and Caylee, go away on vacation and return to the carnage. She would have had the sympathy of the world and would always be “poor Casey”. Plus think of all the financial gain, the freedom, the house, the life insurance, the “Bella Vita”.
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Perhaps she forgot she’d still have to pay any outstanding debts and funeral expenses. Taxes on the home, utilities, and have no checking accounts to dip into?
Scratch, I don’t think Casey thinks any further ahead than her next la…er, um… encounter.
Cays = nickname for caylee and meaningless besides that, just another way to divert her brother’s atttention from what actually happened, i bet.
cays= Can’t all you shutup
I don’t think that she was looking to ‘do in’ Cindy and George. If Caylee was out of the picture, eventually Casey would get them back on her side (as she has), and she would keep them around because they were a ready source for finances, if nothing else.
Do George or Cindy have life insurance? Did Caylee?
» EDRN said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 03:02:33 }
cays= Can’t all you shutup
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Now that is FUNNY!
» Nauseated said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 03:02:40 }
Do George or Cindy have life insurance? Did Caylee?
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Something somewhere was stated about wills, and I can’t remember where.
I never heard the little sweetie had insurance, and perhaps that is why they never buried her, but cremated her.
I know in Il if you are convicted of murdering someone, you cannot profit- (including I believe) life insurance.
I would think married cindy and GZeorge had each other as beneficiaries. Ot would only make sense because he could contest anything else. And also, as a son Lee could claim an interest. So figure court cost now, kc’s money would run out quick
Sorry Valhall, I was really vocal today….
Valhall-
Sorry, my analyst is showing. Don’t we need to connect the timeline between both computers since Casey had access to both?
To view them individual, doesn’t seem correct.
An analysis side by side, in my opinion, especially before the 15th, seems warranted.
I think they tell us less as individual machines.
MHO
and what if you over lay the activity of both computers with the home calls, cell text and calls?if you line them all up, and put them in timestamp order, what do you get?
(add the pings)
Hello … I also wondered if casey had been searching online to find a way to do in her parents and make it look like a home invasion or robbery , which household items would be the fastest ect . She was hanging with all new friends that she had told alot of ” half truths ” to , about her fantastic job , money in the bank , going to be getting the house , sooner or later she was going to have to either come clean OR make sure she ended up with those things !! I think she killed Caylee in a rage at cindy for saying no she wasn,t going to keep playing ” nanny” and that it was time she grew up and got her act together . I can,t believe that Cindy got told by her mother that casey had ripped her grandparents off for money yet again and wasn,t severely angry enough to have it out with her as soon as she saw her , there had to be a fight or atleast some heated words between them . I think Caylee was crying for her grandparents and maybe skank covered her mouth/ nose to shut her up , after seeing her have her temper tant on the jail video , i can see how she could easily loose it on Caylee . There were only 3 people standing in her way of what she thought was the good life !
Mrs C hop (11:02) What was Casey response to “my Caylee is missing” post?
Val,
I think Lee was referencing the desktop when he says he was on a computer that morning. The desktop internet history clearly shows activity in the AM, whereas the laptop internet history ceases before Cindy arrived at Tony’s to pick up Casey. In addition, the forensic computer report says for the laptop account “bobby”:
Last Logon: 07/15/08 06:42:10PM
JWG
Were there other accounts on that computer beside “bobby”? Since it was Cindy’s computer originally, maybe someone who sold the computer to them was named bobby and set it up that way?
Dumb question, I know. But just checking.
OR, was it a used computer?
lee stated in one of his interviews that george had bought it for cindy, “for mother’s day or something” ( as lee put it ) but that kc used it.
what mothers day? Link?
» Valhall said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 12:02:23 }
Just keep in mind that Lee states he was using the laptop the very next morning.
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I just read JWG’s latest, so this comment is going to be redundant, but I was just going to point out that Lee said in his July 2008 OCSO interview that he was never able to get on the laptop after picking it up from Tony’s. And in his SAO deposition, he said he went back to his own place in the early morning hours of July 16, then slept until around 12:00-12:30pm before heading back to the Anthony residence. He said Casey was not in the house, and Cindy told him she had been taken for more questioning (she was picked up for the Universal trip around 12:30pm).
I just read JWG’s latest, so this comment is going to be redundant, but I was just going to point out that Lee said in his July 2008 OCSO interview that he was never able to get on the laptop after picking it up from Tony’s. And in his SAO deposition, he said he went back to his own place in the early morning hours of July 16, then slept until around 12:00-12:30pm before heading back to the Anthony residence. He said Casey was not in the house, and Cindy told him she had been taken for more questioning (she was picked up for the Universal trip around 12:30
OO OO
do you have alink????
Turns out that National Enquirer wrote about this back on 11/05/2008 and tied the searches of missing children sites to the murder plot along with getting a sound bite from a nationally known profiler.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casey_anthony_computer_murder_plot/crime/63463
WSH:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603690/casey-anthony-computer-report
The links to the transcripts are in Valhall’s extensively detailed timeline. It’s over on the right-hand side of the page – “Timeline and Discovery.”
They didn’t highlight any other accounts from the laptop other than “bobby”, so I guess there isn’t a way of knowing if there are other accounts.
Also, those Mark Hawkins emails have dates of ‘07, but the photo is from ‘08.
Why did they dig that far back? Or was the year wrong?
I forget when Padilla bailed Casey out….I couldn’t find it in the time line.
Lee Anthony explains in his 7/29 interview that the computer was off and on the kitchen countertop when he got there. When he switched it on, it gave a screen saying that it was shut down improperly. (Basically that means, it was on when Casey left and someone in that apt just held down the off button.) It then went to the Windows screen and within seconds the blue screen appears. Lee states, “So I was never able to actually log onto that computer” It doesn’t say he attempted to reboot the computer or attempt to fix it at Tonys.
Does anyone have a link that says something different??
WSH:
On 8/21/2008
Evenin’ all you Hinky-Meeters!
And Val, I am so glad that you have addressed this matter of Casey’s Googling during the month of March because this is key in determining premeditation. None but Casey could have done these searches, unless Lee was kicking about somewhere.
A blue screen saver, huh? Amazing what you learn on the Hinky. I’ll have to be looking into that, but not before questioning whether Cindy’s call to Casey, prior to her showing up at Tony’s with Amy, might have had something to do with Casey’s attempts to wipe out her hard drive. Could it have been precautionary? As it played out, it most certainly wasn’t a premature move.
Also, Casey searched self-defense? What the heck was that all about? I tend to doubt that it had anything to do with the means through which she might murder her daughter. Might it have had something to do with what she would do were she caught in the act of attempting to harm her child? IMO, this would stand to reason in light of the flurry of phone calls, which may be indicative of anticipation/fear of being caught in the act; which would lead one to wonder what she would have done had she been caught? A sideways kick and a karate chop? Had she prepared herself to combat whoever may have come between her and Caylee? Should this be a possible scenario, it would speak volumes as to premediation, would it not?
I really don’t know that Casey banked on having too many other days with Tony. She was out of money. She had no job. She had no car. No plans to move her in with him had been made, if memory serves me correctly, but within her own imagination. Speaking of which:
FRG said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 01:02:38 }
“I almost fell off my chair when I heard Lee’s deposition in the civil case when he said “to this day I believe everything my sister tells me”… go figure!!!! Lee lives in la la land.”
O, and WILLIAM, must you always be so … so … reasonable? (Hugs)
If you guys look on the right side of Val’s Home Page you will see a link to the timeline that has pretty much all of the answers to the information regarding pings, encase data, etc. that you’re looking for. If you want to look at raw data – you can find the deposition transcripts at tons of places. wftv has been pretty consistent at keeping up with the info or you can go to docstoc.com
docstoc has a buttload of stuff – you just need to use the search bar. I will say that Val, Maura and JWG (and others) have spent more than a year looking through the raw data and putting the relevant info together and discussing it. It helps a lot if you read through the transcripts and the timelines and the past articles. It will give you a good base to get started when asking questions. It doesn’t mean there are answers to many of the questions we all have but you will get a lot of ideas and see why some of the really smart folks that have worked so hard on this get their own theories.
» kim said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 06:02:55 }
Lee Anthony explains in his 7/29 interview that the computer was off and on the kitchen countertop when he got there. When he switched it on, it gave a screen saying that it was shut down improperly. (Basically that means, it was on when Casey left and someone in that apt just held down the off button.) It then went to the Windows screen and within seconds the blue screen appears. Lee states, “So I was never able to actually log onto that computer” It doesn’t say he attempted to reboot the computer or attempt to fix it at Tonys.
Does anyone have a link that says something different??
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I’m asking the same question
In Tony’s statement, he claims Amy came to the door first and they did not see Cindy (according to Amy, Cindy had stayed out of view so Casey would come outside). Casey had been on the laptop the whole time until that point. She got up and went straight to the door when then confronted by Cindy. Are we sure that Cindy called Casey? It seems from this that Cindy wanted the element of surprise… Maybe to make sure Casey wouldn’t leave! That last time when Lee went looking for her at the club and someone told Casey, she high-tailed out of there! Would Cindy risk that again?
Also…
I know it may seem odd but lots of people are downloading screensavers all the times. There are many versions of this type of blue death screensaver. Some actually have an option box that you can choose to start up the computer with the blue screen and a setting for timing the fake reboots. It’s the prank of it. It’s suppose to start right away, not wait until the computer idles. It also can lay dormant. To activate it, you press control-alt-delete. To turn it off – you have to push esc – 3 times in a row.
I’m just saying it seems more possible then Casey and Company doing some really good computer skills to outwit everyone.
Scratch My Hinkey – you asked, “If it was a BSOD screensaver, if at some other time Casey was logged on, and the machine went into screen saver mode, wouldn’t someone have noticed it before?” This is a screensaver that is activated by you. You can still keep your original screensaver.
and also…
“Friends all thought it was a work machine, no family around, why be that paranoid to put that kind of SS on the machine?” Maybe because she was flirting with many other guys, looking up strange things that someone might question, didn’t want anyone reading her compulsive myspace or facebook emails, not doing work like she said she was….etc Who knows! It was, however, her portal into her secret world.
Why not just lock it? This is Casey here. Not logic. I think Casey thinks a day ahead at most. Maybe at one point, she felt that computer held too much information. Therefore, if it appeared broke, then maybe no one would care to look into it. I really think she takes everything to the extreme and not for one moment does she think people will question her or her actions.
I’m not saying that the screensaver is the answer. I could be way off. Just my opinion, thats all.
I respect your opinion.. I like your questions
I still say if we merge the im’s, text. myspace, face book , pings, and all the rest, she is nailed, by timestamp. Then compare that timeline to her after the fact time line. man I promise, the lies will stand out
Good nite.
Cindy sent Casey a text message on July 15th at 4:27p.m. saying, “Call me ASAP. Major prob.”, but I don’t think Casey thought her mother would find her at Tony’s.
Hey Val….I am just now catching up on your last posts…I have had no time lately!…Anyway.. You are the best always…ivoire.
1) Is that a verifiable fact that Tony was commenting on WS ( it seems unlikely since he has so obviously avoided the public eye).?
2) I believe that Yuri M. ( or someone else in LE) verified –later –that George, in fact , was at work for the google searches ) despite it first being reported that he was NOT working…?
3) I personally think LEE-VIL is soooo diabolically EVIL that from day one–since he knew his skank-master-she-devil sister was in a heap-load of trouble that he began his “deleting odyssey” on whatever he could get his hands on….
4) Obviously, the gig was up when Cindy found Casey at Tony’s…What do you think “genius” Casey had “planned” for when :
a) Amy found out she was fleeced ( and there would have been consequences…
b) Amy realized that Cindy was NOT turning the house over to Casey? (Was Casey secretly planning on murdering the remainder of her family—wouldn’t put it past her..)?
c) LE investigated and of course believed ” her zanny-the-imaginary-nanny faux kidnapping story ( case closed after submitting her “believable” police report) … Casey then becomes known as the poor mother/victim whose was daughter was “kidnapped” ( and never found).?.
d) it was discovered that her car had “vanished” ( I actually disagree with you in that I do believe Casey really wanted that car GONE because there was no way on earth that she could “splain” away the stink or evidence in that car—especially not with her fussy pants-car head -girly-man-earring wearing-fem-meister-ball-less-DAD who would have gone totally off on her had she swung on home with her car in that state…?? no way, jose!
Q: And, what about Casey’s last words to Tony that she needed to cover her ” out”?…..Was Casey planning on disappearing , heading out to CA , to see Mark Hawkins – to tell him ” the secret” (which would give her eve more distance when telling Cindy that Caylee was “napping and could not come to the phone—EVER”?)..
So Val, WTF was that SHE-DEVIL-SKANK thinking? xx ivoire
hey val..oops…you can delete this message but ,could you please correct my typo in my last paragraph: Please change “eve” to “even”…thankssss ..happy festivus! ivoire
” the secret” (which would give her eve more distance …….)
I don’t believe one could hide their child “forever” no matter what. One would become very suspicious if doing so. But then again we are talking about the Anthony’s right?
Kim, I think you are exactly right and am glad you said it first … LOL … I’ve used that kind of screen saver before … my daughter showed me it … I thought the same thing that KC just quick turned the screensaver on … if set to 1 minute it could very well cause what Lee described happening … the password protected ones are pretty common, but there are some that require a certain combination of key strokes that are pretty hard to get around ..
My vote is that is exactly what KC did … she would not have wanted everything destroyed on the laptop at that point she didn’t even know if she would be back for it … she didn’t know the police were going to be called …
At some point, she must have had to tell Lee how to get into it when she realized the police would likely be taking it like the cell phones …
My biggest question about the whole laptop issue is why on earth didn’t OSCO take it right away with the cell phone ?????????????? Not too smart …
Wow the last thing I would want is for this place to become another Anthony name-twisting, bash-away site. Val, you’ve worked so hard to make this a place for those of us who like chipping away at the discovery and the real and circumstantial evidence – and not waste time on the stuff that just isn’t relevant (or funny anymore).
I should probably say all of this in email but your site originally attracted so many of us that were disillusioned by the sites that didn’t investigate the actual discovery or the psychological or physical science of the case. There are so many sites focused on what Casey is eating, wearing or how she combs her hair. I respect the work that you and so many others have already put into analyzing the details so much (TIMELINE! and former posts) and the fact that so many of the original commenters had actually read/listened/watched everything that’s readily available and had new or relevant questions and comments.
I realize that there is not much new info right now but somehow you always come up with a great post that either looks at older information in a new way or dissects new information for deeper analysis. I, for one am hoping the original tone of your awesome site doesn’t change.
One more thing – if you guys haven’t read this post from Valhall – it really is a basic “must read”:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=981
“A Look at the Laptop
I’ve been working for a while on gathering all information that is available about the laptop, where it was at certain points, and what happened to it. So this is what I’ve gathered together. I guess it is best to start at the beginning, or at least before June 15th when the critical timeline events concerning the murder of Caylee Anthony began. So let’s start with the simple fact that the laptop was Cindy’s. It was given to her by George in some previous year. She didn’t hardly use it, stating she didn’t like it, and for this reason Cindy states she didn’t even know it was gone until it was returned in the early morning hours of July 16th by Lee after he returned from Tony Lazzaro’s apartment.”
Val has done such a great job on all of these articles. I would also use your search tool on all of the posts for any comments by Maura, Silverspnr or JWG on Hinky as well as Blink’s sites. Also, I know a lot of people use Websleuths (I am not a member) but I often do do a key word search if there is a subject I’m interested in. You’d be surprised at how much of this stuff has been discussed in circles for almost 1.5 years!
» denjet said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 09:02:40 }
Respectfully abbreviated your post for this comment:
“My biggest question about the whole laptop issue is why on earth didn’t OSCO take it right away with the cell phone ?????????????? Not too smart…”
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I think OCSO did do the SMART thing and left it until it was back in the hands of it’s rightful owner. OCSO was then able to properly obtain the computer and all information contained within.
Imagine if they had taken it from Tony’s without Cindy’s permission. If anything was found that could be use against KC, Baez could argue that the computer was seized illegally.
I’m reading way upthread but had to report I LMAO over the water search. Hate so say it but none of us are likely to be happy with an indepth water quality analysis. I hope Foxie isn’t too upset that she did it Cindy’s way.
I never hardly ever find Cindy’s rationalizations believeable. But I thought the chlorophyll search was one of her better ones. Especially if she actually searched it. As a dog person if I have an idea of what would help I search the remedy rather than the root problem ie if suspected poisoning I would be thinking milk thistle. Those unpleasant urinary tract/bowel disruptions it would be psyllium husks…..I just had to get shit into it somehow!
Casey gave the LE permission to look at her cell phone. LE picked it up. Casey did not give the cops permission to access her laptop. Nor did they have permission to touch her bag of clothes. They need a search warrent for that. Otherwise it could not be used in court in the future. Same as the car. LE did everything by the book so that none of the evidence would be thrown out later. The cops watch Cindy pour the bag out. The only thing they took… was the ID. And they had Cindy hand it to them so that no one could say that LE did anything to infringe on Caseys rights. And they only did that after Casey gave the female LE permission to retrieve it from the bag.
If my dog ate a plant that would make him sick….. I would be at the vet not searching a drug that I have no access to.
ClockWatcher said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 09:02:26 }
I think OCSO did do the SMART thing and left it until it was back in the hands of it’s rightful owner. OCSO was then able to properly obtain the computer and all information contained within.
Imagine if they had taken it from Tony’s without Cindy’s permission. If anything was found that could be use against KC, Baez could argue that the computer was seized illegally.
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Exactly. Even through OCSO had George and Cindy’s permission to take the laptop into evidence on the evening of July 16 (it was logged in at the OCSO building at 8:00pm), they let it sit untouched until later that night because they were waiting for a judge to sign the search warrent giving them permission to search the hard drive.
The deputy who picked up the cell phone probably had good intentions, but he really should not have fiddled with the laptop at Tony’s apartment.
Hi Valhall! Wasn’t it “chlorophil” that Cindy said she searched? [page 184 part 1 of Cindy's deposition with the state] lol To bad I searched it out spelled the way she spelled it and it didn’t go to Chloroform. Nothing came up chloroform. Even spelled right: “chlorophyll” came up nothing close to chloroform!
Just a followup Scratch My Hinkey’s question…IMO, the user name “bobby” on the other computer was a tongue in cheek (and likely caustic) nod to both Casey’s LE dalliances and her perception of her father as inept.
Hello, Valhall and all of you wonderfully brilliant posters! I seldom post but am a voracious reader, and just had to say – Val, thank you so much for all the hard work. I look forward to reading your site every day when I arrive home from work and have my laptop time. Each new article, comments included, is like a special gift to open! Such insight and great thoughts and ideas. I’m in awe.
As for Cindy lying about the chlorophyll searches – BS to the nth degree! This family’s antics remind me of a game we used to play when the kids were in Cub Scouts. They would sit in a circle, and would pass the ‘talking stick’ with the first introducing the line to a story, and each person adding to it as the stick was passed around the circle. It could certainly get crazy in a hurry. Believe me, flying by the seat of your pants just doesn’t cut it when police and FBI are involved. The arrogance of these people!
*I meant to say I call BS on Cindy when she tried to use the chlorophyll explanation.
Re chlorophyll it was Cindy obfuscating as usual for sure. I know that. But like Casey often there is a truth in it somewhere.
Christine – I’m being defensive here but with poison you have to do whatever you can as fast as you can. Just anything that may help before you can get to a vet. Many poisons ie rodent, mushroom have no antidote. You just slam a possible remedy in to try and prevent organ damage and get to a vet or a stomach pump.
Cindy likened herself to a dog breeder. I have milk thistle,activated charcoal, psyllium and arnica around both to avoid unnecessary vet visits and perhaps to avert disaster.
I have no idea why I am defending Cindy which I’m really not. I’m just saying it isn’t a total stretch. Although I’ve never heard Cindy was into natural remedies.
How did those dogs die?? I never got to the bottom of that one.
Lily I hope you begin a “Common Fallacies Of the Computers” kind of like an agreed statement of facts. Loved your last one.
In regards to the blue screen of death, I have an ibm computer that will be working fine and I walk away for a little while and come back and I have the blue screen of death displaying. i need to turn off the computer and fire it back up but there is no logical reason why it enters the death mode when left sitting (sometimes for a very short time). Casey’s computer may work like mine. Wonder if it is an IBM model.
Hi ya Here in NW Arkansas!
I knew exactlt what you meant! It is rather funny that she would make the claim…
No reason to comment on this site. No NEED. You all do the thinking so well! I just sit back and read. As for that BLUE screen saver prank, I had similar because I had persons in around my computer I didn’t want messing with it. As I recall, I was able to set up a single key activation and as well as a deactivate. I cannot recall now if a restart would clear it or not. I am thinking not, that it would go back to the blue screen as soon as it went through start up, until the deactivation was done. Been a few years back.
LMAO – my bad! I misspelled my misspell. I shall correct the misspell to the correct misspell immediately.
Thanks!
My apologies…you got stuck in spam! LOL
Okay, there are several instances you list in your comment. Of course, the ones where it states file created date 07/16/08 need no explanation – I would assume. They were done 07/16/08!
Let’s look at these:
I got confused on these myself at one time. The primary reason is, when you look at the Encase file it has no headers and you’re left to try to surmise on your own what each date means, but from the above descriptions we can tell. Also, I passed the Encase data to some one who works with it almost daily and they verified the raw data file columns were most likely what was being assumed.
The first thing to keep in mind is that we are looking at the files “history.dat” and “index.dat” and not files created by the zenaida searches themselves. These .dat files are basically databases, so the searches were logged as a line item, or entry, in those databases. The searches themselves are not the files we are looking at, in other words.
Let’s look at “history.dat”. That’s the Firefox file that logs your internet history. This shows that the history.dat file was created 10/22/07. The zenaida search on myspace was logged into this file on 07/16/08.
The “index.dat” file is just a big dumping ground of a database on just about everything you do on line and it’s used by Internet Explorer. There are also more than one index.dat files that IE uses, three to be exact – one for cookies, one for history, and one for cache.
So for the index.dat listings, the index.dat file was created June 12, 2008 and then the searches were done 07/16/08.
BUT HERE IS WHAT I CAN’T ANSWER…the index.dat files are locked files that CANNOT BE DELETED if Windows is running. In order to delete these files you either have to go into DOS without Windows running and hunt them down in multiple locations and manually delete them, or you have to user a cleaner software that basically does the same thing.
So why is the index.dat file creation date 06/12/08? I can’t answer this. For a family who has a history.dat file associated with their Firefox that dates back to December 2007, why would some one go to the trouble to purge the index.dat file from the computer – apparently on or just before 06/12/08?
To be clear, when you clear your history, temporary internet files, etc. from Firefox or IE, YOU DO NOT DELETE THE INDEX OR HISTORY.DAT FILES…you don’t even adjust their size. And if you go into either browser and adjust the days you want the computer to keep your browsing history – YOU DO NOT AFFECT THE SIZE OF THESE FILES. Short of the steps above, nothing you do in Windows can make either of these files go away.
I’m by no means a computer guru, so maybe there is something I’m not understanding. But according to my limited knowledge on this subject the index.dat file should be as old as the FIRST VERSION of IE on the computer. Because even upgrading IE DOES NOT DELETE THE ORIGINAL INDEX.DAT FILE.
I can’t answer this. Maybe some one else can.
In fact, I’m starting a separate thread on this very question. Maybe JWG can come by and answer this for us.
It is fairly trivial to modify any of these history.dat files or cookie.dat or index.dat – including deleting them entirely. One only has to use an autorun registry key to accomplish any of these things so that a program is run to do the work which you want done on them or it.
There are also scenarios where these files will be reset to an earlier version such as when you roll back the environment to an earlier date to fix a particular problem due to recently installed software or drivers. Not every roll back will change these files, but some do.
It is also trivial to stop windows from locking an IE .dat file by stopping IE components of the OS from being loaded at boot time. It is these components which create the inability to delete these files or to modify them outside of the DOM framework. You can also uninstall IE from the machine and then do what you want with these files. Then reinstall IE.
Finally, you can use a hex raw write program to change any entry in one of these files – although it is not easy to do this since they are not stored in plain text mostly. Many of the system files in Windows use ROT-13 encryption and you have to take this into account as you write code to make your modifications or do so by hand. (ROT-13 is a substitution cypher replacing every ascii character with the one that is 13 spaces to the right of it in the ascii chart.)
» carole said: { Feb 8, 2010 – 04:02:03 }
Mrs C hop (11:02) What was Casey response to “my Caylee is missing” post?
I don’t have a good link but she said “what is given can be taken away, everyone lies everyone dies”
William,
Thanks for the date on the Padilla bond William. I’m guessing that the emails with Hawkins were erroneously listed as ‘07, since his photo was from ‘08. She was definitely looking to latch onto a new guy, it would seem. Weird that she is talking about Caylee, but no mention of her missing, and that would be after she was arrested and then bonded out. Huh??
At the time that Cindy dragged Casey out of Tony’s apartment, no one knew that Caylee was missing (yet). No one knew that Casey would get arrested and be charged with a felony, so there would not have been any reason at that point to deliberately sabotage the laptop.
And I don’t think Lee would have deleted files to protect Casey. At the start, he was practically shaking her to find out where Caylee was. If he thought there was anything important about Caylee on the laptop, he would not have deleted it. And racy photos? Casey published all those herself to her own MySpace page, no reason to quickly delete them from the laptop.
I don’t think anyone had the foresight to do any sabotage to the laptop, in that first 24 or 48 hours.
As far as the google searches, I’m trying to guard myself against excessive speculation. Now that we have a general idea about what happened to Caylee, we’re trying to make the searches fit in to our theories, but maybe not all of them do. We need to leave room for coincidence.
For instance, searching for “shovel”. I don’t think she was searching for the tool you use to bury things. Even Casey would know what they are and where to get one. She could have been searching, for instance, for the iPhone app called Shovel, or the name of a local rock band (just guessing on that one).
And I just have to say it . . . I looked up “how to make chloroform”, and while it is not particularly difficult, I don’t think Casey would be organized enough or have the patience to do it right so that it didn’t just boil off. Maybe she looked it up because her buddy Rico had the infamous “win her over – with chloroform” message on his MySpace page, and Casey wanted to find out what it was and if Rico himself was making it and using it on her.
The One Tree Hill search: I think that Casey had seen the episode and decided to base her descriptions of her nanny on that character. She wanted to fix the face in her mind and thus lie more effectively when Cindy asked about who was watching Caylee. When she needed an excuse for Caylee’s disappearance, the child-stealing nanny was fresh in her mind. So, I’m not convinced that she planned the “alibi” in advance.
As always, just my two cents.
Nikki:
I think Casey could have done some of it. Remember Cindy called her and left a voice mail about finding the car and having a big problem. Casey knew exactly what that big problem was and could have been covering her tracks when Cindy showed up to get her. Tony said she was on her computer clicking away.
OK, thanks to those who pointed out that OSCO couldn’t have taken the laptop that night as they had neither permission nor a search warrant including it … duh … I didn’t even think of that !
Didn’t they take the cell phone though? Wouldn’t the same rules apply to that? Or am I forgetting something, which is quite possible. Did they have permission for the cell phone & not the laptop?
Nanaof4 – you’re right, she probably had some intent with the searches. But how much? She doesn’t strike me as someone who could plan very far in advance (no more than a day or two), and not someone who could think logically through to a conclusion.
It’s always struck me that in fact she was not a clear thinker, but LE couldn’t find more direct evidence. Casey’s friends said repeatedly “Casey’s not that smart to have done it by herself”. Even the defense said something similar: “She’s not a forensic genius to fool all of law enforcement”.
So, why wasn’t there some hugely obvious smoking gun? I’ve always felt that since Casey did everything wrong – except get caught – that it was nothing more than sheer dumb luck that there were no witnesses! 10 seconds one way or another could have made the difference; someone seeing her moving a bundle out of her trunk into the woods, for instance.
I think that it was nothing more than chance that nobody saw/heard her commit the deed or get rid of evidence and the body.
I think that she was good with developing fantasies and stories, but her follow-through and planning skills were deficient. She got away with many tall tales so that was as far as she took it, it might seem. She was imaginative, but not brilliant, in my opinion.
She did have help. She had a lawyer come and tell her to shut up, and she had family that rewrote history for and about her. Whether it went beyond that, who knows? She was also granted incredibly dumb luck given that TES didn’t find Caylee in the woods, and that time and the elements took their toll on the remains and evidence.
I don’t think my post was clear as it related to the topic. I meant that some of the searches were developing a scenario in her head whereby Caylee might not exist. But I agree that not all the searches may have meaning related to the case.
Nikki:
I think it was also dumb luck. However, she did have enough sense to back into the garage to load/unload the body so no one would see it. She just didn’t think of the smell and how decomp would affect Caylee’s body. I think what she did in respect to that “situation” was purely reactionary.
» Nanaof4 said: { Feb 9, 2010 – 04:02:28 }
I agree that she never considered the effects of decomp before it occurred, however I am of the opinion that she wouldn’t have dealt with it after, knowing how she just tossed her kid stuffed in bags into the woods. She did what was easy and not messy. But on your other point, she would have had to be an absolute idiot, not to have concealed a corpse, walking outside for all to see vs backing the car up etc.
Nikki B said,
I don’t think anyone had the foresight to do any sabotage to the laptop, in that first 24 or 48 hours.
As far as the google searches, I’m trying to guard myself against excessive speculation. Now that we have a general idea about what happened to Caylee, we’re trying to make the searches fit in to our theories, but maybe not all of them do. We need to leave room for coincidence.
And I just have to say it . . . I looked up “how to make chloroform”, and while it is not particularly difficult, I don’t think Casey would be organized enough or have the patience to do it right so that it didn’t just boil off. Maybe she looked it up because her buddy Rico had the infamous “win her over – with chloroform” message on his MySpace page, and Casey wanted to find out what it was and if Rico himself was making it and using it on her.
Refreshing voice of reason. I came to the same conclusion after jumping the gun on the activity on the home computer with the comments that I made. I have a tendency to want to have each new piece of information fit nicely into what I already think I know. This is an area I know very little about and have decided not to participate beyond my initial premature statements. I know there is significance but it’s beyond me to try and decipher it so…
On the other things you mentioned, I too, think the chloroform search was in reaction to her seeing her friend’s mention of it and she may have even questioned him about it and learned that it’s easy to make. I was blasted on another site for saying, after researching it, that some young people DO abuse chloroform. She may have learned this, too, and was just nosy about it. But, I don’t think she ever made it herself, although she may have considered it as a way to assist in Caylee’s death. However, I don’t think it’s presence in the trunk has anything to do with her or the murder, itself but more the clean-up which she didn’t seem to do herself…other than a little swiping with a paper towel. The shovel search has me stumped but your explanation seems very reasonable.
After reading what others have written about who blue screened the computer and seeing their explanations for why this is logical , I have changed my mind about it’s being Lee who did it. (And also how you explain about Lee not wanting to delete as he is trying to find Caylee at this point.) I now agree with this; that Casey was sitting on Tony’s couch on July 15th, trying to conduct a “total tune up” to cover her tracks when she messed up the laptop all by herself. What is good about that, is that, of course LE would have this information after having access to the computer. It’s just one more bit of circumstantial evidence to add to the pile.
I’m so grateful to all of those who add information to Valhall’s really incredible viewpoints and significant questions so that this all becomes more clear as time goes by…so, thanks!
(Unanswered questions are just so nagging, aren’t they!?)
I believe KC left everything at TL’s on purpose.. She knew that the crap was gonna hit the fan and she knew LE were prolly gonna become involved..
I cant imaagine that KC ever went 10 ft without her cell phone .. She knew the car had been taken out of the tow yard and that it smelled of death…
She knew that when she left Tony’s left she wasnt going to be bak there at least not for a while.. She knew that she wud not have the use of a vehicle as she was not going to be able to produce Caylee… She wrecked her computer when CA arrived and left her cell and belongings there with every bad intention..
It is said that she was activley using her laptop on the couch in the living room when Any knocked at the door..
She went to the door and stepped outside and had her brief conversation with CA before stepping bak iside.. CA allegedly told her to get her things where she reinforced she wasnt coming bak…
CA then talked to TL and the roomies (notedly not asking one of the roomies if they had sees Caylee lately, even though she was reportedly hysterical) instead she chose to advise them about how KC will leave take his money and leave him high and dry while KC was off doing something… What was she doing>????? It was never reported if she took her laptop into TL’s where or what she was doing in there … She stepped out of the room briefly to tell CA to shut up when CA was advising TL….
I wonder if she had the laptop with her in that bedroom..was she already doing damage to the laptop while the boys were playing their video games..I dont recallTony L ever giving an account of where the laptop was situated after KC left….
Another thought is that if the blue screen was in fact a screen saver, LA may have played along knowing full well that it was a screen saver, yet suggested that the computer, may have been wiped out by a virus, just to leave an impression with Tony L, that the computer was wrecked before it left Tony L’s house…then when Lee got it home, this is where it may have been wrecked…Im sure Lee and KC had a long enough time to discuss her belongings before LE got there…
Sorry but I have a question not related to current topic. With Skype and other high tech stuff – Why wouldn’t the court use that during trial for wittnesses and or jury vs the expense of travel, housing and meals??? Modern technology is a wonderful thing.
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