Lee Anthony: “He knows what he has done.”
On January 26, 2009, WESH 2 aired a reported entitled What Did Lee Anthony Know? In this report they quoted an unnamed source “close to the investigation” who stated “We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done.“ On that same day WESH also had a report entitled Lee Anthony’s Attorney Says Client May Be Charged, in which Tom Luka, Lee’s attorney, is quoted as saying:
There were a number of instances where he was acting on behalf of his sister, or on behalf of law enforcement, that now could be seen as something less than benign or could be seen as hindering the investigation instead of assisting it.
Luka went on to express concern his client might be charged with obstruction of justice or evidence tampering.
These reports have been the focus of much discussion and debate for the past year. The majority of opinions (including my own) have, in these discussions, fell toward the possibility that Lee Anthony attempted to wipe the hard drive on the laptop after he picked it up from Tony’s apartment. And while that may still be a possibility, I’ve come to believe that the things Lee knows he has done, may include more.
In an article entitled Will Duct Tape be Casey’s Sticking Point? – The Connections, an article I wrote as part of a series looking at the importance of the Henkel brand duct tape in this case, I centered on the connections that have been established between the rare high-temperature Henkel brand duct tape found on the skull of Caylee Anthony and the Anthony family via George’s gas can and the presence of duct tape on a poster at a “command center” at which the Anthony’s were involved. That second photographic evidence was a still frame from a video shot by WFTV showing Henkel duct tape holding up a poster of Caylee at this command center.
In this article I centered on George being the owner of the Henkel duct tape, after all it was on his gas can, and it was at the command center at which he was present. In George’s deposition, as I reviewed in that article, he almost sounded like Rainman in his repetitive statements that “he didn’t put that there” as he referred to the photograph showing a piece of Henkel duct tape over the vent hole on his old metal gas can; a photograph that was taken August 1, 2008 when OCSO came to confiscate the two gas cans that had been previously stolen by Casey and had resided in her trunk for a few days – possibly during the same time frame as the body of little Caylee.
George’s main contention through-out the July 2009 deposition was that he never would have been so sloppy in the placement of the duct tape on the gas can. He explained the meticulous manner in which he would have placed it, had he been the one to place it over the vent hole. George also stated he had never intentionally bought a particular brand of duct tape, and didn’t even pay attention to what type of duct tape he kept at the Anthony home. In questioning during this deposition, George got a little “kerflunkeled” when he was interrogated about whether he had had the need to place the duct tape on the can.
This round of questioning centered on the fact that George stated the vent hole cap was missing to the gas can and, therefore, when he transported gas in the can in his vehicle, he always kept duct tape over the vent to prevent spillage and fumes getting into his vehicle. So the questions were asked in the deposition, since the gas can was empty on June 24th, 2008 when George recovered them from Casey, did he not have to mow his yard between June 24th and August 1st, 2008 when the gas cans were confiscated by OCSO? I think we’ve well established that the yard HAD to be mowed during that period, and probably repeatedly, taking into account the over 8 inches of rain that fell in Orlando during those weeks. On this question George waffled, ran over himself, and basically didn’t do a good job of answering it, but finally concluded he probably did.
This would require duct tape being placed over the vent of the gas can at some point between June 24th and August 1st because the gas can would have had to have been taken to a filling station and filled with gas, since it was empty on June 24th. Problem now is – it may not have been George who filled that gas can, and George may be telling the truth that he “never would have put that there” concerning the placement of the Henkel duct tape over the vent hole.
From Cindy’s interview with OCSO on August 4, 2008, beginning on page 33 Cindy and Detective Hussey have an exchange concerning OCSO arriving on August 1st, 2008 to confiscate the gas cans and Detective Hussey is explaining why they needed to come to the house (which caused “a media circus”
instead of asking the Anthonys to bring the cans to the station:
Q ….the reason that we send, the reason that we send someone out to pick that stuff up is because they, they lik to photograph it in place.
A I under….
Q Because if it ever becomes evidence…
A I understand.
Q …for something, okay.
A Yeah but that stuff’s been moved.
Q I know.
A George has….
Q I know.
A …George has mowed the grass.
Q Sure.
A On different occasions.
Q I know.
A Lee mowed the grass since all of that.
Q I know.
A And he borrowed the gas cans and the law mower…
Q A lot of that stuff….
A …in between all of that.
Upon noticing this statement for the first time, I decided to research the WFTV footage at the command center to find out if Lee had any connection to that operation. Here is what I have found. On page 35 of the same interview with Cindy she states:
A …On Saturday the 19th I had to go pick up some flyers at Kinko’s or not Kinko’s, Staples downtown at the, on Colonial Plaza. They wanted a family member to pick them up. That was the first time they were giving free flyers to us. George had made the arrangements. He was busy doing something, I said, “I’ll go”. So I went down to pick them up, what I did is I stopped at the drop point at Publix where they had set up the tent and where they’d been handing out flyers. I didn’t want to go by myself, I was gonna go down to um, because Lee was still down there at the time when I left. George was the only one at home…
Cindy then goes on to tell how when she got to Publix Annie Downing was there and they went together to pick up the flyers from Staples. She then tells about arriving home:
So when I got back to the house after dropping Annie back off at the Publix with the flyers. By then Jesse and Lee were back at the house.
So not only does it appear George was not at the Publix in the early part of the morning, but Lee was there during the “set up” of the tent. In researching what day the footage was taken by WFTV, I found that it was taken the following day, on Sunday July 20th, 2008. Lee was definitely at the Publix command center on July 19th, 2008, because he was captured in the following photo:
(Photo courtesy of Orlando Sentinel)
As obtained from News Chomp, and with the caption:
Friends and family of missing Caylee Anthony gather to pass out fliers in the parking lot of Publix at Lake Underhill Road and Chickasaw Trail in Orlando on Saturday. Caylee’s uncle, Lee Anthony, talks to supporters, while wearing a Trenton Duckett T-shirt to remind people of the boy who went missing from Leesburg. (STEPHEN M. DOWELL, ORLANDO SENTINEL / July 19, 2008)
It is definite that the command center was up and running by 10:30 a.m. Saturday, July 19th from this article by Bay News 9.
Caylee’s grandparents began handing out fliers at the Publix at Lake Underhill Road and Chickasaw Trail at 10:30 a.m. Saturday, hoping anyone will have information on the girl’s whereabouts.
But it appears that Lee preceded them to the location to “set up”.
Did the Henkel brand duct tape belong to Lee instead of George and Cindy? Or did he get it from his parents home and use it both on the gas can and the posters at the command center? Did he apply the “sloppy” duct tape to the gas can when he borrowed it some time between June 24th and August 1st, 2008? Is he the one that hung posters at the command center on July 19th, 2008 using Henkel brand duct tape? And is there something about this Henkel duct tape that is the impetus for the statement “He knows what he has done”?
Valhall.
References:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf
http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/7/20/366596.html
http://newschomp.blogspot.com/2008/07/orlando-caylee-anthony-did-mom-kill-her.html
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/7/20/366596.html
Related posts:
- The Anthony Encycliepedia: George and the gas can
- Timer55 and the Anthony Conspiracy
- The Anthony Encycliepedia: George comes home
- Will Duct Tape be Casey’s Sticking Point? – The Connections
- The Anthony Encycliepedia: George and the smell
Tags: casey anthony, caylee anthony, cindy anthony, duct tape, evidence tampering, george anthony, henkel, lee anthony, obstruction of justice, Tom Luka
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Wow Valhall, you don’t miss a beat! Very thought provoking. I think you are on to something here. I’m not one of the smart readers/posters but I can’t wait to read more on this.
Wow Val – you’ve piqued my curiosity.
George must have filled the cans when before he picked up the car at the Amscot on July 15th. He put gas in the car when it wouldn’t start.
Sure, Jane, but that wouldn’t be the question. Did Lee borrow the gas cans and the lawnmower before that date? If so, the duct tape was already over the vent hole.
We all accept that the gas cans had to be filled, and the vent hole covered before August 1st.
I can’t wait to hear EVERYTHING that Lee had to say. He knew something in order to need immunity.
“Luka went on to express concern his client might be charged with obstruction of justice or evidence tampering.”
I don’t get it Val. How does being the (possible) owner of the duct tape rise to the level of obstruction or evidence tampering? I know I was confused about all of the lawn mowing questions, still? I guess Casey could have been over at Lee’s place while she was still pinging near her home? If that were the case, why not get a warrant to search his apartment?
For some reason, I thought Luka was referring to Lee’s little investigations, and the fact that he was only attempting to divert attention AWAY from Casey: never telling police what his motivation was, and that he was interfering/tampering with witnesses. Or, did he see the “”big trouble” tee shirt photo and delete it from the computer?
You ALWAYS amaze me. Hmmm, wonder if Lee will eventually be thrown under the bus by the defense.
I can understand Cindy slyly trying to “use up” the evidence “innocently” so no match would eventually be made to duct tape tears. “Here dear, you will need tape to put up posters.” And having her son mow the lawn when George was unable or unwilling to leave the house.
That gas can has been here, there and everywhere. He may very well have covered the vent (not up to George standards of course) because that is what that family did when transporting gas. Cindy probably figured any evidentiary value would be lost. The “anybody could have done it, touched it” crap she has been saying since the beginning.
That he caused the blue screen of death and tried to wipe the laptop clean is probably not in dispute. Cindy probably told him to do it, because she had been trolling for Caylee and Casey for weeks and was aware what a freak her daughter was and how the information on it would look.
That he understood how he had been played by his mother until he got a lawyer is unclear to me. Obviously his lawyer made it very clear to him and was afraid of what would happen, hence the request for immunity. It is unclear if the police would charge him for anything. I think they talked to this dim bulb for a while, looked at his mom, and felt bad for him and decided not to press him for the moment. He has given statements, so any lies will be very apparent on the stand. Lee seems to keep a very low profile now. His girlfriend keeps popping up though. She likes Cindy.
WSH,
I think the best way to respond to your questions is – WE DON’T KNOW WHAT LUKA OR THE UNNAMED SOURCE WAS REFERRING TO.
Now, about the duct tape. It depends on whether it was Lee’s (that would be major), OR if he discarded of it after Casey got out on bond. Those would be the two things I would consider as possible bad no-no’s concerning the duct tape.
Another great article. Thanks. I remember that there was duct tape reported stuck on some shelves in the Anthony’s shed but I haven’t seen it any results (whether it was Henkel or not). I don’t think that changes anything though. Lee may have used George’s duct tape on each occasion.
It’s a possibility that Lee borrowed the gas cans, the tape was already on neatly just how George likes it. When Lee went to use the gas cans he removed the tape and then reapplied the same piece in a sloppy manner (sloppy in George’s eyes at least). The tape most likely belonged to the Anthony’s and Lee retrieved it from their home the morning they set the tents up and passed out fliers. This was very early on in the investigation. Lee could have been staying at his parents house those first couple of nights comforting his mother and father and trying to sort everything out.
I guess Mancuso won’t be helping out Feb. 1 with the evidence regarding the body placement:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/06-O-14552-1.pdf
Well, who knows, he has a lot of brass. He may show.
Wow Valhall, this article is great!!! Thanks a lot.
I can’t think of where I got this now but was Amy who said KC had borrowed a duct tape from her, or maybe Amy’s duct tape had disappeared… can’t remember why this came up to my mind now. Just wondering.
Q: Valhall
So……..if the tape WAS Lee’s…….
Would it be a scenario, that Casey applied the tape while AT Lee’s home?????????
Well, Randie, that’s why I thought I’d share this and ask the questions I did, was to spur some discussion on the implications of this – if there is anything to it.
I would think that could be one possible scenario. I can think of a lot of scenarios. 8)
Watching a family self destruct before our very eyes is fascinating if it wasn’t so tragic. Lee, in my opinion is cut from the same cloth as is Casey and I don’t believe for a moment that he will stay silent in this case. He is as much an attention craving nobody as is his sister, the performance at the memorial C…M…A … over and over, something’s just not right there. I have never seen such drama anywhere, on stage it would be classed as over acting and kicked to the curb. To Lee and his parents this is normal.
Behavior such as this is bizarre but then the whole family is bizarre. I don’t think the loyalty between brother and sister is as solid as some think, he may be falling in love with his notoriety and that takes precedence over protecting his sister.
Could they have found finger prints on the gas can tape that were not part of released documents?
I am still dying to read Mallory’s deposition.
Valhall, you know what’s interesting… do we know if fingerprints were lifted from the gas cans??? Thanks.
Maybe it wasn’t referring to Casey or Caylee or Cindy – maybe it was a desperate plea…
Cover My Ass! Cover My Ass! Cover My Ass!
sorry…couldn’t help myself.
From my notes on the forensics info to date:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?page_id=1047
We don’t really have anything. But that doesn’t mean I didn’t miss something. There’s been tons of forensics and I’m not going to even attempt to claim I’m good enough to get it all written down!
Q65 – gas can with tape (OCSO item #65, Q-76)
We know that George was doing yard work when the notice was found about a registered letter (?) needing to be picked up at the post office, which was of course the notice about the car being at the towyard.
Simon Burch never says anything about the tape on the old, battered metal gas can. LE never asked either, as, who knew? I wonder if they reinterviewed him after Caylee was found, about that. But even if it was on the can on 7/15, it still could belong to Lee due to the habit of borrowing.
Somewhere over the time that Lee repeatedly borrowed the can, he most likely would have had to change that vent hole tape. At least once or twice, I would think. How was it applied by the self admitted “slob”? Carefully, as his dad would, or did he just rip it off the roll and slap it over the vent? And if George had seen sloppy applications in the past, he may have been trying to clear himself, yet leaving it open so he wouldn’t have to name Lee as one who could have placed the tape.
But, if it is Lee’s tape, that could mean that Casey killed Caylee at Lee’s home and not her own, as I believe she did. Or, if she took it from Lee’s home to use it on Caylee elsewhere, surly another sign of premeditation?
Val typo last paragraph June 19. Should be July 19.
I’m not clear on the implications to what you’ve uncovered about the tape. I have to think about it and read more posters take on things.
I’d like to thank Tob for posting the follow up on Macaluso’s bar investigation. That guy has balls!! Imagine paying for your private plane with client’s trust funds. And to insert yourself in a high profile case in the middle of the bar’s investigation of your (at that time) alleged criminal activity. Most of us would crawl under a rock until it was settled, or at least lay low.
Thank you, Nosy!
Got it fixed.
Valhall, you are very good at what you are doing, believe me… I am fan of yours!!!! I just asked you because it seems to me reasonable to lift the fingerprints from the gas cans so LE would catch who is the biggest liar. Well, maybe it’s not important for them.
and as you said maybe they didn’t release it because there were none. Scratching my head now.
Another thing Val is… why would Lee release his lawyer Thomas Luka? It didn’t seem to be a very good idea. Maybe money issue?
Didn’t Lee obtain immunity prior to releasing his lawyer? Wasn’t there something that was reported to have basically covered Lee and made it unnecessary for him to have one anymore?
I’m not sure on how that whole thing went down.
Another great article, Val – however, I don’t think the duct tape or Lee’s using it between 6/24 and 8/1 would rise to the level of obstruction (wiping out the laptop would, though).
I was actually thinking more about a possible connection between him and Dominick Casey, specifically if KC communicated to Lee where the body was and Lee spoke to Dominick Casey during the detective’s search in the woods in November for the body. I believe the other person on that phone was Lee. Now that would be obstruction.
He knows what he has done.“
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This sounds so mysterious, and I can’t help it, but between this comment & the duct tape conversation, the only scenario I keep seeing is that Lee moved Caylee’s body to the woods & HE applied the duct tape to make it appear as a kidnapping. (And maybe Lee was the person on the phone with DC, giving location instructions.)
Val-
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/lee-anthony-immunity/
http://www.wesh.com/news/20222439/detail.html
Val
Lee received nothing more than “use immunity”, which is given to anyone subpoenaed to testify. At the point when Luka uttered that point, Lee hadn’t been subpoenaed.
Use immunity
Definition
: immunity granted to a witness in a criminal case that prevents the use of the witness’s compelled testimony against that witness in a criminal prosecution
Transactional and use immunity are granted to preserve the constitutional protection against self-incrimination. The states grant either form of this immunity, while the federal government grants only use immunity. A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
2 : a usu. statutory prohibition that excludes specific documents or information from discovery
Chess,
I don’t think Lee using the duct tape is obstruction. BUT, if the duct tape ended up in Lee’s possession and then disappeared, that would be obstruction AND evidence tampering. We know he had it the morning of Saturday the 19th of July and possibly before that. Did it end up going home with him? After the body was found, did it get thrown away?
These are questions I have about the POSSIBILITY that the duct tape is a problem for Lee.
WSH,
Please see the first link in Julie’s comment just above you. Do you know for sure that Lee did not receive blanket immunity?
Somewhere in here, is a comment by NG:
Jan 16, 2009 … Let`s go to the immunity thing. It`s not blanket immunity that his ….. GRACE: Tot mom brother Lee Anthony seeking criminal immunity. …
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ng.01.html -
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ng.01.html
That transcript has JVM filling in for NG, this is the only part I could find:
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, mine is about Lee Anthony. You know, he wants immunity. I was wondering, we haven`t heard much about what he initially told detectives because he was there the day that Casey told her mother. And I wondered what he had told detectives that day.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Petrimoulx, address that. And also, where is Lee in this tape? He didn`t visit that day, I guess. And apparently, this is the last time — my understanding is this is the last — the video that we`re watching from August 14th is the last time her parents visited her in jail, the last time anybody who is a friend or relative visited her in jail.
Now, she was released a couple of times and brought back to jail. But still, that`s a pretty stunning commentary.
PETRIMOULX: That is true. This is the last visit. Let`s go to the immunity thing. It`s not blanket immunity that his lawyer was seeking. If he was going to testify against his sister in any way, he wants that testimony to not be able to be used against him in another trial. As far as what he said in his testimony to deputies, he`s basically toed the family line of Zenaida Gonzalez and the baby-sitter story. He`s never came out and really gone against the whole family story.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, listen to this tape, and I believe Casey freaks out in this little segment.
We need to have a FL lawyer’s input, but I think I recall from other discussions that witnesses in Florida that may implicate themselves in doing something are immune from it if they admit to it on the stand? There’s a certain term for this, but it’s not coming to me at the moment.
This was from 2 days earlier: (It’s a little long, there’s more after the commercial break at the end.)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/14/ng.01.html
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, tot mom brother Lee Anthony seeking criminal immunity, reports surface Lee Anthony possibly facing obstruction and/or aiding and abetting charges, this as the deputy connected to the case under investigation and the defense is reeling in high-powered and usually high- priced experts.
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GRACE: The worst he can say is that the police were not pleasant? OK, he`s got to hit me with more than that before he gets my attention.
Straight out to Natisha Lance, our producer, on the story from the very beginning. Natisha, what can you tell me about possible immunity, criminal immunity, for tot mom brother Lee Anthony?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, that is the big question tonight, Nancy, is will Lee Anthony get immunity? Apparently, his attorney, Thomas Luca, is worried that Lee could possibly face obstruction charges or aiding and abetting charges. Now, what he`s trying to do is seek a subpoena for Lee Anthony. If he`s given the subpoena, he would then get immunity. Now, the caveat is…
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait, wait! If he`s given a subpoena, he automatically gets immunity?
LANCE: That`s right. Under Florida law, he would be given immunity. Now the caveat to that is, Nancy, if he`s given this immunity, he has to take stand in the murder trial. He cannot plead the 5th. He has to get up there, tell his story, tell exactly what he knows. If Casey did give him inside information, he has to spill it all on the stand during that murder trial.
GRACE: OK, let`s unleash the lawyers. We are taking your calls live. Joining me tonight out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, veteran criminal defense attorney, Renee Rockwell. Also joining me out of New York, Hugo Rodriguez, defense attorney, former fed with the FBI.
Renee, try, put it in a nutshell. How do you get immunity by just getting a subpoena? That doesn`t sound right to me.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, if he`s potentially a target for any type of charges, if they want his testimony, they`re going to have to give him something in exchange, which equals immunity.
GRACE: I know that. But again, that wasn`t my question. Hugo Rodriguez…
HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure.
GRACE: … there`s more to getting immunity than a subpoena showing up in your mailbox via registered mail. You got to work out immunity deal.
RODRIGUEZ: No, not in the state of Florida, Nancy.
GRACE: Good. Explain.
RODRIGUEZ: The law in the state of Florida is if a state attorney subpoenas any witness, that witness has immunity.
GRACE: Oh, you`re talking about use immunity, not blanket immunity.
RODRIGUEZ: Yes. Exactly. Exactly.
GRACE: OK. I understand.
RODRIGUEZ: So obviously, they want to talk to him. He doesn`t have a privilege. He doesn`t have a legal privilege…
GRACE: Right.
RODRIGUEZ: … of any conversations he`s had with his sister or anyone else.
GRACE: And very quickly, explain the difference between use immunity and blanket immunity.
RODRIGUEZ: Anything he says to them, they cannot use against him in a criminal prosecution. If they could otherwise prove any other crime without use of his own words, they could still prosecute him.
GRACE: Now, let`s think about it. Why would tot mom brother Lee Anthony need criminal immunity? Let`s go to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter who first bailed the tot mom out of jail and then planned and executed an exhaustive search for little Caylee`s remains. Why would Lee Anthony need criminal immunity, Padilla?
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Somebody had to get the information where the body was back on August the 11th, also to the private detectives. He might be part of that daisy chain I`ve been talking about.
GRACE: Oh, you and the daisy chain again!
PADILLA: Me and the daisy chain.
GRACE: Listen, under our criminal justice system, you do not — as much as I may not like it — you do not have a duty to be a good Samaritan. If you know where a body is, you don`t are to call police. You can just keep on going by. So the fact that Lee Anthony may have known — they`re not even saying he did, but if he may have known where the body was, that does not equal criminal charges. You`ve got to — a criminal charge, you`ve got to do more than know something, Leonard.
PADILLA: It does if you have the intention to foil the prosecution`s case by following that up with the “Zenaida did it, the other Zenaida did it,” and your discovering the body…
GRACE: Ah. If you mislead police, knowing better. I understand now, an obstruction charge.
I want to go back out to Natisha Lance. Natisha, you stated that the attorney is seeking immunity for tot mom brother Lee Anthony. Is there any indication what he believes Anthony — Lee Anthony`s involvement is?
LANCE: Well, he said that he may have information that police may misconstrue as him obstructing justice or aiding and abetting in this crime that Casey carried out. But did not get into specifics.
GRACE: That does not sound good, Leonard Padilla.
PADILLA: No, it doesn`t. No, it doesn`t.
GRACE: OK, you were the one in the home, Padilla, not me. Tell me, what was Lee Anthony`s attitude? How has he been? Has he been more concerned about the tot mom or about finding little Caylee?
PADILLA: He was — when we originally got there, he was concerned about aiming us towards Jesse Grund. Then subsequently, he was very concerned about a search for Casey that his mother had sent him on, where he went looking for her around the 2nd or the 3rd of July. And he always carried a binder with a ton of notes. I told Nick Savage one day, Go get that binder. See what he`s got in there. But I don`t know if they ever did or didn`t.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
Blanket Immunity…that was it….not clicking refresh fast enough here!
I am in awe of all your articles! You always ask the best questions and examine all the angles I would never in a million years think of. Now I’m entertaining the possibility that Lee had something to do with the duct tape found on baby Caylee. But whether it was Casey or Lee, it doesn’t fit with her reaction to the discovery of Caylee’s remains on Dec. 11. If the duct tape was there to make it appear to be a kidnapping, why the doubled over, skin rash, hyperventilating & asking for medication response? Wouldn’t she have remained cool if she thought the discovery would help back up her kidnap story?
Use immunity
Definition
: immunity granted to a witness in a criminal case that prevents the use of the witness’s compelled testimony against that witness in a criminal prosecution
Transactional and use immunity are granted to preserve the constitutional protection against self-incrimination. The states grant either form of this immunity, while the federal government grants only use immunity. A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
2 : a usu. statutory prohibition that excludes specific documents or information from discovery
http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/use-immunity.html
Is this the immunity you were thinking of?
I always thought that Casey tried to “act” like the distraught mother who just found out her child’s remains were found, and went overboard in doing so. I think she over-acted the part, and made herself look even more guilty.
I think she was scared shitless.
It doesn’t really matter what her original plan was (if she actually had one), and it doesn’t really matter if the duct tape was placed on Caylee to kill her, or to make it appear as a “kidnapping” murder….when enough time passed, Casey just wanted that body NOT to be found.
She was scared shitless when they found it.
Val-scared shitless, yes, but now that the jig was up, she had to “appear” that she head nothing to do with it. That’s what I meant.
had, not head
Just for the record, I don’t believe Lee was involved in Caylee’s death whatsoever. I also don’t believe he was involved in the placement of Caylee’s body, or the movement of her body.
I think he might have destroyed evidence though (or at least attempted to) – both with the laptop and the duct tape.
Just wanted to clarify my suspicions.
Excellent, Val. To your point about Lee putting on a less than neat, or as George would apparently agree, wastefully oversized and downright ‘not George style’ sloppy.
That reminded me of Lee’s own interview with OSCO where he described picking up Casey’s things at Tony’s place. He arrived to find the leopard patterned duffle bag all neatly packed up and claims he knew immediately that this was not his sister’s doing.
Eric Edwards asks Lee to list the things he got from Tony’s place. Lee lists several items including the dufflebag then states:
“…. And uhm, all of it was extremely organized and… ” (pg 19, line 4)
the questions now surround the ‘neat’ aspect:
EE: The, the bag?
LA: Yes.
EE: You, you said, you made mention that everything was so organized that it struck you odd that it was your sister’s bag?
LA: Huh, yeah (affirmative) absolutely, uhm, because knowing my sister and knowing myself, uhm, we are not organized. Uhm, when we pack, or even if we’re at a residence, I mean our stuff is all over the place. It’s all over the floor. If we’re packing we shove it into the bags. Uhm, it was, it’s, if somebody told me that my sister packed that bag I would call them a liar.
EE: You’d question it right off the bat?
LA: Absolutely a hundred percent….
Lee, it seems, wouldn’t be one to follow his father’s duct tape technique on the can vent. He might even think small and neat, wasn’t necessarily better either. Was Lee mowing his parents lawn or did he borrow the mower (and go fill the can?) to do his own place?
Val-just a thought that originated in my brain, re Lee & the duct tape. Didn’t mean to go so far off. Maybe I need another cup of coffee!
I love the way this family uses words. “the residence”, “the vehicle”, “neutral place”, “reaching out”, “that little girl”. And there are so many more I can’t think of at the moment… Who talks like that?
Wasn’t the immunity deal worked out PRIOR to Lee’s deposition by the state? And after that, his lawyer faded from the scene?
Lee leaves the Anthony home late at night to go fetch Casey’s things from Tony’s. I believe Tony had said that Casey was playing on the laptop when Cindy arrived. Cindy admitted that she didn’t even know the laptop was missing until Lee brought it home. So, Cindy wouldn’t have suggested Lee muck with it. As far as we know, Lee’s only just been told the Sawgrass scenario. What would prompt him to mess with it? He’s just found out that his neice has been kidnapped and his first thought is to find and destroy his sister’s computer. Casey must have instructed him to do this.
So it appears that Lee used the tape. Did he/they use up the roll hanging posters and covering vent holes? Did the roll not get used up, Lee had it at his place, Caylee was found wrapped in duct tape and Lee decided to whip it out the car window on a late night drive. I don’t know why he would be in hot water for this because no one would ever have to know that he did this. So, the only way I can see how this would be a problem for him is if he ditched the tape, but then told on himself. If he did admit to it, he could also have told where the tape is. Hmmmm.
Valhall, one more question. Do you know anything about the dealership that Ricardo worked at, and whether Casey’s visits there, could have resulted in her getting a roll of duct tape, had she asked?
Remember, Casey needed duct tape to return to Amy at one point, but closer mid-June, Casey was calling the dealership (without checking, I think there were even calls on the 16th). Didn’t Ricardo work in ‘parts’?
Not to say Ricardo would jack a roll from his employer, but there’s a point– that tape was used for specific applications including the auto industry. Second point, that tape has a ‘good before’ date. It might be possible that a box of that tape sat in the corner of a parts shelf with a roll or two left over, unsold, unused and out of date.
Knowing if Don Reid Ford in Orlando, ever received a shipment of the special Henkel Duck Brand duct tape, would be interesting to know. That could mean that the duct tape was actually from Casey herself, via Ricardo via Don Reid.
Also, remember some junk photographer snoop woman who made the news as she sifted the A’s garbage, and also Lee’s own garbage, with the ‘beer pong poster’. Any duct tape frags seen in her photos?
Another great article Valhall. I don’t think Lee getting an attorney has anything to do with the duct tape. Remember, the duct tape wasn’t an issue until the remains were found December 11th. What I think is happening now though is that good old George is now throwing Lee under the bus. George keeps insisting he didn’t put the tape in the can like that and when push comes to shove, he’ll blame Lee for it. I believe Cindy will turn on Lee also rather than take the heat for anything. It’s not that they have more love for Casey than Lee, it’s just that SOMEONE has to take the rap for all their crapola and it ain’t gonna be them. LEE…..FOR GOD SAKE….RUN!!! GET AWAY FROM THESE LUNATIC PEOPLE.
And….IF Lee did try to destroy the hard drive or find the body etc. , you KNOW it was on Mama Cindy’s orders. Can you even imagine being THAT afraid of your own Mother? Sheesh!
Maybe it wasn’t referring to Casey or Caylee or Cindy – maybe it was a desperate plea…
Cover My Ass! Cover My Ass! Cover My Ass!
sorry…couldn’t help myself.
Oh God….Now THAT’s funny!!!! LMAO
Very good catch on the duct tape, Valhall. Lee did say in his July 29 OCSO interview that both he and Casey are slobs. On the other hand, all I could think of when I read George’s description of his meticulous duct-tape applications was the old SNL skit about the Anal-Retentive Chef:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4101/saturday-night-live-cooking-with-the-anal-rententive-chef
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As for Lee’s immunity . . .
Last January, Luka said the fact that Lee had not received a subpoena to testify could signal that the state might be looking to file charges against him. Luka explained that if Lee were subpoenaed, anything he said could not be used against him in subsequent criminal charges.
For that reason, I have never believed Lee got any special immunity deal from the state above and beyond the SAO subpoena that Cindy and George also received. At the very beginning of Lee’s July 30, 2009 SAO deposition, Frank George confirmed that Lee had been served a subpoena to appear for his deposition.
After Lee’s SAO deposition, Lee’s attorney, Luka said he would be exiting the case since his representation was no longer needed. As WESH reported, “As a result of his testimony, Luka said Lee Anthony has what’s called “use immunity” from prosecution, though he said Anthony never did anything to warrant being charged in connection with the case.”
http://www.wesh.com/news/20222439/detail.html
I was initially surprised that Luka was leaving because I believed Luka would be needed for the unresolved civil case. Back in February 2009, Luka accompanied Lee to his ZG deposition, and Luka certified two questions, saying Lee should not have to answer questions pertaining to his opinions on who Caylee’s father is or whether he’s had thoughts that his sister was responsible for Caylee’s death. ZG’s lawyers announced they would be taking the matter to Judge Rodriquez to force Lee to answer those questions.
A hearing was scheduled for May 21 to ask Judge Rodriquez to compel George, Cindy, and Lee to answer civil case questions that they had refused to answer during their civil depositions. However, Conway cancelled the Cindy and George part of the hearing (he said he threw his back out), and Mitnik cancelled the Luka-Lee part of the hearing for “strategic purposes.” Judge Rodriquez forced Mitnik to appear in the courtroom at the time of the scheduled hearing. Rodriquez stated for the record that the hearing had been scheduled to address Lee’s certified questions as well as those of George and Cindy, and Rodriquez required Mitnik to state for the record that although the scheduled hearing could have still been used to address Lee’s certified questions, Mitnik had nevertheless chosen to cancel that portion of the hearing as well.
By the time a new hearing was scheduled to address the certified questions (September 9), Morgan & Morgan were worried that Judge Rodriquez would postpone the civil case until after the murder trial, and Mitnik hastily withdrew the motions to compel Casey to answer the written interrogatories and to compel George and Cindy to answer questions they had refused to answer during their civil depositions (saying they could get the information they wanted from prior LE videotaped interviews). Nothing whatsoever was said about the two questions Lee had not answered in his civil deposition, so IMO, Luka had already been told by Morgan & Morgan five weeks earlier (in late July) that ZG’s lawyers would not be questioning Lee further for the civil case. And actually, Lee had not refused to answer those two certified questions; rather, Luka refused to allow Lee to answer those questions, questions that pertained to Lee’s personal opinions, not to information he had about the case.
Barb, gotta say I think Lee is sticking as close to his family as he ever had. And that’s pretty stuck. And as much as I loathe Cindy I can’t see her telling him (at that time) to scrap the hard drive. I think he did it because he was instructed to by the CEO (Casey) and he probably asked no questions – just did as he was told.
Val, I have enjoyed your articles for quite some time now and commend you getting to the heart of the case.
Obviously Lee wanted immunity for something BIG he was hiding, be it the duct tape or his part in Dominic Casey’s search on Hopespring Dr. Lee know’s a great deal. He may have been the other party at the end of Dominic’s cell phone.
We all know the dysfunction within the Anthony household and I don’t think for one
minute Lee escaped to become a decent human being. His own laughter at the thought of his father driving Casey’s car smelling sent him into hysterics.
He actually thought it was funny….all the while he knew it could have been Caylee’s dead body that produced that awful smell. What does that tell you?
I think he spent those 4 hours at Tony’s trying to erase what was on the laptop as per
Casey’s instructions.
How these people keep all their lies straight is beyond my own comprehension!!
But they have lived lies so long they have become experts at it. Remember Cinddy said
a lie is a half-truth. Well a LIE IS A LIE no matter how one looks at it!
When does this end? I suppose when Judge Strickland pounds his gavel down and
tells Casey she’s GUILTY OF THE MURDER OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY.
i always believed that the gas can story was a cover up for something else. casey mentions that she ran out of gas two fridays in a row. one being the 27th and the other being then the 20th. who helped her out of her little gas predicament on the 20th? i think this gas can story that george cooked up is highly suspicious to say the least. and there is a reason when all this went down that the grandparents went checking the backyard. what is that reason?? george definitely wants to make sure that le knows he wasnt the one that put that ducttape on the cans. just my observations. you write some great articles here.
There are three types of immunity:
Limited Use Immunity means the statements of the witness may not be used against the witness but any evidence uncovered as a result of investigating the statements may be used against the witness. This is the type of immunity Casey was offered in August. As part of the limited use immunity deal Casey was offered, she would have had to waive – in writing – any evidence obtained as a result of her statements to investigators.
Use Immunity (aka Use and Derivative Use Immunity) means that neither the statements of the witness nor any evidence derived from investigating those statements may be used against the witness. However, should the prosecution acquire evidence substantiating the supposed crime — independent of the witness’s statements or investigation of the witness’s statements — the witness may then be prosecuted for same and additionally may be prosecuted for crimes that are unrelated to the subject matter for which the testimony was compelled but that were discovered in the course of the investigation.
Transactional immunity (known as “blanket” or “total” immunity) completely protects the witness from prosecution for crimes related to the subject matter of his or her testimony. However, it does not protect the witness from prosecution of other crimes uncovered as a result of testimony and investigation, “other crimes” meaning crimes not related to the original subject matter of the witness’s statements.
From the language of Florida Statute 914.01 (“but no testimony so given or evidence so produced shall be received against the person upon any criminal INVESTIGATION or proceeding”), the immunity attached to a subpoena issued by the Florida SAO is Use and Derivative Use Immunity not Limited Use Immunity.
Chapter 914 WITNESSES; CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS
914.04
“Witnesses; person not excused from testifying or producing evidence in certain prosecutions on ground testimony might incriminate him or her; use of testimony given or evidence produced.–
No person who has been duly served with a subpoena or subpoena duces tecum shall be excused from attending and testifying or producing any book, paper, or other document before any court having felony trial jurisdiction, grand jury, or state attorney upon investigation, proceeding, or trial for a violation of any of the criminal statutes of this state upon the ground or for the reason that the testimony or evidence, documentary or otherwise, required of the person may tend to convict him or her of a crime or to subject him or her to a penalty or forfeiture, but no testimony so given or evidence so produced shall be received against the person upon any criminal investigation or proceeding. Such testimony or evidence, however, may be received against the person upon any criminal investigation or proceeding for perjury committed while giving such testimony or producing such evidence or for any perjury subsequently committed.”
Tony Lazzaro answered questions on Scared Monkeys in September 2008, and he said the laptop already had a blue screen when the deputy showed up for the cell phone at 11:00pm. Tony and the deputy tried to get the laptop working again, but they couldn’t figure out what was wrong with it, so they decided to leave it for Lee. Lee didn’t get to Tony’s until an hour later, so the laptop was already fried when Lee showed up to get it. We’ve certainly gone through the scenarios on old threads here. It’s my opinion that Lee may have deleted files from the HP, but I do not believe he deleted any files from the laptop.
I think I’ve argued this before on this site, but IMO, OCSO was looking to charge Lee because of Lee’s “ploys” to get witnesses to open up to him by throwing mud at other witnesses (and claiming LE was the source of the mud Lee was throwing).
Example:
During the wiretapped conversation between Lee and Tony on July 29, 2008, Lee told Tony that “the cops” told him Ricardo seems like a nice guy but he has a narcotics record so they can’t scratch him off the list and that Jesse was a cop but had a history with Casey and Lee said he had been told Jesse was basically asked to leave OPD for being a hot head.
However, in his July 30, 2009 SAO deposition, Lee said it was Dominic Casey who told Lee that Ricardo and Amy were involved with heroin. Furthermore, Lee told the prosecutors that Dominic had not substantiated that claim nor had Lee asked for any substantiation. At no time did Lee said he had heard from LE that Ricardo had a narcotics history.
So IMO, Lee was in hot water with LE for telling at least one witness, Tony, that LE had accused Ricardo of having a narcotics history when LE had said no such thing. That would get Lee in major trouble on a number of levels.
As for the duct tape, I agree with Valhall that it would be major if the Henkel duct tape was Lee’s, but even if it isn’t, it makes sense that Lee would have been the one to put the sloppily-applied piece on the gas can and would have been the one to put up the poster with another sloppily-applied piece of tape at the command center.
I checked Epass records and couldn’t confirm the locations of George and Cindy via those records for July 18-21.
I checked Amy’s text messages, which seem to indicate that Lee was in charge of the Publix command center. Amy helped to put up posters early in the day on July 19, and the following exchange pertained to the July 20 poster/flyer distribution:
19-Jul (7:30pm) Annie Downing to Amy: We are meeting tomorrow at 9am at the same publix.
19-Jul Amy to Annie: Awsome, ill be there. Dude, is there any way I can help track things and keep stuff organized. Of course, im there to pass out flyers but if I can use other skills I have to help id like to
19-Jul (7:36pm) Annie Downing to Amy: Just be there tomorrow and well get with lee and see what he wants u to do.
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Of course, since we can put Amy at the command center on July 19 and have Amy on record offering to take on more responsibility, we have the foundation for another conspiracy theory . . . .
I think Casey told Lee she had embarrassing photos or/and information on the laptop that they could use against her even though Zanny took Caylee and asked him to wipe it out. That was the beginning of ‘covering for Casey’. The tape could very well be part of the cover.
Also, people are saying they think Lee was on the phone with DC during the search in November for Caylee’s body. Wouldn’t LE know if it was Lee by checking phone records?
Casey, alone, killed Caylee and threw her in the woods like trash. Roy Kronk found her (no daisy chain) and the A’s all know Casey did it and are forever in cover up mode and will take it to their grave – just like Scott Peterson’s parents.
So very sad for precious little Caylee.
Maybe I am missing something, but wouldn’t the significance of the duct tape not be known to them until December? Or are you talking about what he did with the tape from that point forward?
I love this article. I think he realized he knew things as time went on at the very least.
Barb, the family all had “bat phones” and I don’t know if they can be traced. But I also feel it was one of them (most likely Lee or Cindy) who were on the phone with Dom.
BAT = Buy and Toss (evidentally that’s the acronym)
Every family with a missing child needs one to hamper LE from obtaining phone records… doncha know?
I agree with how you are leaning Maura. I think that Lee, with lying to witnesses and perhaps getting to them before LE did, was, in a way tampering, or trying to influence their testimony in a certain direction. I think he was trying to get witnesses to point fingers at other witnesses vs. back at Casey. He was haplessly playing a game of “divide and conquer”. He was out there looking for only one truth, the “Anthony truth”….I know, oxymoron.
However, maybe there is still something to all this lawn mowing…
Val – Lee’s home wasn’t very far from the A’s home (as the crow flies). Has anyone ever determined if Casey’s cell pings that placed her at the Anthony home or in the neighborhood (Suburban Drive?) would ping off the same tower if she was at Lee’s place? That would certainly change some of the dynamics as we think we know them now. Such as, the last time George claimed to see Casey/Caylee leaving home and the time of day . If he was “mistaken” about that, and she left earlier – or the night prior – and was at Lee’s all that morning, that might make a big difference to the case.
I dont recall any questions re: the duct tape in Lee’s deposition. Surely they would have had some questions about that if there was some reason to think Lee had some connection to the tape? I still think it was Lee on the other end of the phone w/DomCasey. Those jail conversations in code…..I really believe she was trying to convey to him where to find the body.
Plus that “big trouble tee” photo was something the prosecutors were honing in on. Obviously because she was found with it, but also I think that they knew the answer to the question before Lee gave his response. For whatever it means. Did he know what Caylee was dumped with?
» jennyb said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 01:01:36 }
BAT = Buy and Toss (evidentally that’s the acronym)
Clever jenny.
Thanks Jenny b – I forgot about that. Did the psychic have a bat phone too?
So there’s no way of finding out who was on the receiving end? Waaaaaaa
hey, my post disappeared. did i write something wrong?? i dont think i did.
Lee, Lee, Lee (inappropriate laughter) LE interviews as hard to take as his mom’s. I could go on and on, as I sometimes do BUT elect not to this grey and drizzly PM. I will just read all the good posts I know that are coming after an exceptional article. I am going to toss these out for anyone who wishes to comment (looking towards William or Silver but VERY open and hoping for EVERYONE
) When the subject of what was called, but not determined at the time, Amy’s extra car key, his giggles get me blood all angried up. Paraphrasing “She reaches out to me (giggles) and I say ‘About the key (giggle) I got you covered. Consider it (giggle) destroyed.” 
WTH :!: 
: :!: What if she was asking to get it back because she NEEDED it? He made it sound like the $$$clan would NEVER make yet another copy. grrr That whole parallel secret squirrel investigation grrrr Me second softball lobbed out to Val and friends is how will he handle being dumped by Mallory? I hope everyone here has read his cached Myspace about being dumped by the married on again off again woman? I mean, he sure handles it maturely 
In fact, he alternately whines and rages that her charges of immaturity were way off. Well, I guess I did go on and on. 
OOPS, at least it is among friends. I promise no sulking if everyone ignores this, 
just two pet peeves about tubesocks that I hope other share.
FYI: Macaluso
The link above that documents Mr. Macaluso’s er,…… dealings within his own office and accounts is a year old. To read more about the disposition of the case, go to
http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/dockets/dockets.aspx
and enter “Todd Macaluso” in the appropriate boxes.
Cliff Notes version: He’s been judged to be a Bad Boy and was sentenced to participate in the California Alternative Discipline Program. I can’t think who would be more deserving……..
Maura:
I do not see how lying to Tony about LE gets Lee in hot water legally. He was obviously trying to act as an agent of the State at the time and his task, as he saw it, was to get Tony and others talking on things that would be helpful to the investigation into Caylee. He didn’t represent himself as working for LE (which would get him in hot water legally) and it is not a crime to lie to people other than someone in LE during an investigation. The fact that he was meddling at all in the investigation is most likely what got him in hot water. Unless LE asked him to work as their agent, he should not have been running his own investigation activities period and would have been in trouble even had he not lied about LE.
Silver would have a better handle on this aspect of things most likely, but I am pretty sure that any investigative activity on the part of Lee is interference in the eyes of LE.
Sorry I just saw it today and thought it was new.
All of the people who were “investigating” things in this case and did not work for LE were meddling in an active investigation and could be charged with a number of things if the state decides they want to. Even activities which turned out to be helpful to LE could still result in charges being filed. Lee, Cindy, George, Dominic Casey, etc. all could be charged with misdemeanors and a few could be charged with felonies for their activities. I think….
tob said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 10:01:16 }
I guess Mancuso won’t be helping out Feb. 1 with the evidence regarding the body placement:
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tob
I am not sure on this (maybe Val can confirm this), but I remember the last time Macaluso was in court stating that they had evidence that someone else committed the murder, at the end of the hearing someone (I believe it was the Judge) said something to either Macaluso directly or to the defense team as they were packing up to leave, and Bozo said, “oh he won’t be here he is leaving”. I have been wondering since that time what Bozo meant, b/c we have not heard anything from him or about him and it is my belief that he is no longer on the defense team any longer. Did anyone else catch this?
I’m paraphrasing here, but the state asks Lee, “so you were only looking for info which would preclude/clear Casey from guilt of the crime and his response was “yes’. So he was not looking to truly uncover truth as it unfolded or was revealed, he was looking to clear his sister. By trying to get at potential witnesses, lying about others and trying to pit one against another, he was attempting to influence. I’d say that is obstructing justice and or witness tampering ( to some extent). However, I don’t think LE will go after him unless he had active involvement in a cover-up of the crime in a more direct way.
They were concerned about him enough, though, that they had Tony go uncover and tape him. Maybe, in the end they will only consider him a meddler.
If I’m recalling correctly, don’t they( LE) go off tape to discuss things further with Tony?
undercover…plus ” to end of my state question, but you get it.
“oh he won’t be here he is leaving”
Don’t remember that NYNY…..interesting. Wasn’t he on the 48 hours mystery show after that court hearing? of course it could have been taped earlier, but some stuff seemed up to date.
Great article!! Thank you so much for all your research and thought provoking insights.
I just watched this video of Drew Tate, a searcher, and he discussed who he thought placed Caylee’s body there. Very interesting to listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTTrHTfkJA
Does Lee’s house show up in the vicinity of the Athony’s home? If Casey was moving and her cell phone was pinging, does any of that show her close to Lee’s house?
I have also wondered about the laundry bag. I believe CIndy said they kept those plastic balls in there so they don’t mildew (?). If Casey grabbed that from a top shelf, thinking no one would notice that missing, what happened to what was in the bag? Seems almost like everything was within reach in the garage– laundry bag, black trash bags, maybe the duct tape? Many theories about the use of the duct tape but if not put on before than it had to be right after. … seems to me to look like a kidnapping cuz that was the easiest and only scenerio she could come up with quick. Didn’t seem like she had much time if you look at the info for that day. Once the frantic phone calls, doesn’t she start moving?
Sorry for long post but every once in awhile, I get the urge to write out what has been running around in my head– plus, kids are at mom’s and I have a few hours of peace and quiet to think. Thank you so much!!!!!
Wanted to add one more thing. I really like reading Maura’s post. She is so fasinating because she puts a human aspect into what she is writing about- which is usually pointing out evidence. I wish the 2 of you could write a theory of what happened on that day based on eveidence presented.
» jennyb said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 12:01:06 }
Barb, gotta say I think Lee is sticking as close to his family as he ever had. And that’s pretty stuck. And as much as I loathe Cindy I can’t see her telling him (at that time) to scrap the hard drive. I think he did it because he was instructed to by the CEO (Casey) and he probably asked no questions – just did as he was told.
I have to agree. I had hopes for George and Lee at one time but they have since convinced me that they are not honest and will not do the right thing by Caylee. It’s a cover up job all the way but, at this early hour of the 911 call, I think that Cindy was not sure that Caylee was dead and would have wanted that PC examined in order to try to find information that might help to locate her.
Casey and Lee had a little time together alone in the garage before he went to Tony’s house. Now…LE is in the home and Cindy is talking to them about Caylee…but Lee and Casey are sitting out in the GARAGE together. To my knowledge, the garage was less than a pleasant place to be. I still think that Lee took too much time to arrive home with the neatly packed knapsack with all the purchase receipts filed IN ORDER and yet, one was missing AND the PC was blue screened. Tony might have done the PC job only because Casey might have called and told him there were photos that needed to be destroyed. But, Lee might have done it, too. The “photos need to be destroyed” might have been a story to destroy other materials that Casey didn’t want to reveal to whoever she might have instructed that night. (Why start telling the truth now, even to either of them?) You know what drove me crazy the day the body was found? Mallory happened to drop by the house as soon as it became public knowledge that the body had been found. I know Mallory said she was taking care of the dogs…I don’t believe that was the only reason she went to the house that day because the timing was too perfect. At that time, she had to have known that the body had been found because everyone else that I came across in the Orlando area knew. From convenience store clerks, to librarians to the guy who changed the oil in my car. I think Lee called Mallory and told her to go to the house right away and get something out of the house. I went home and watched on tv how LE arrived and couldn’t enter the house yet because a search warrant had not been obtained yet. Mallory came out of the house carrying a medium sized purse…police officer questioned her…then she got in her car and drove away. There was nothing to stop her from doing so at that point. Maybe she removed the duct tape at that time. I heard that Mr. Kronk had said something about duct tape right away that day and, some people do have those scanners that can listen to police communications. Maybe all of this is what Lee knows? I do also believe that there were quite a few people in the A-camp who knew of Caylee’s whereabouts by the time she was found, also, and I would suspect that Lee was one of those people.
Lee won’t get away from that family because his own shirt tails are as deeply dipped into “it” as anyone else’s IMO.
Wasn’t he right in there for the crab puff/steak meal later that night at the Ritz? I’m pretty sure he was. I think Lee’s hands are as dirty as anyone else’s but he had the willpower and the fear of charges against him to stop talking to the media.
Thanks for kick starting all this discussion Val. I agree LE knows more about that duct tape then has been released and it makes a lot of sense that Lee and not George or Cindy brought it at the command center.
» WSH said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:32 }
“oh he won’t be here he is leaving”
Don’t remember that NYNY…..interesting. Wasn’t he on the 48 hours mystery show after that court hearing? of course it could have been taped earlier, but some stuff seemed up to date.
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I believe the 48 hr mystery was before that hearing and he has been absentee since…. I also do not see him on the updated who’s who lists of players for this case that is out there ….. so I am thinking he is not on board…. but JMHO
» WSH said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:32 }
If I’m recalling correctly, don’t they( LE) go off tape to discuss things further with Tony?
Yes, I remember it that way, too. I just never considered they discussed what you mention in your post until now. I bet you’re right on the money.
I feel Lee was in on the cover up. His lack of concern over Caylee is utterly disgusting.
Forgive me if this has already been asked but what would the significance of the duct tape be that early on, when no one was really aware of it until after Dec 11th?
Is it being suggested that the A family knew about the duct tape before that?
I’m confused
WSH said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:32 }
If I’m recalling correctly, don’t they( LE) go off tape to discuss things further with Tony?
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They didn’t go off the tape, but there was a reference to investigative leads Tony had agreed to help LE with that they weren’t going to discuss on tape.
FYI – The Tony-Lee wiretapped meeting was not initiated by OCSO or Tony, but by Lee.
Here’s the timeline:
On Tuesday, July 22, Casey’s bond hearing before Judge Strickland was held at 1:30pm. Cindy, George, and Lee heard devastating testimony from Yuri Melich about the hair found in the trunk, the smell of decomposition, and the cadaver dog alert on the trunk. In their own testimony, Cindy, George, and Lee tried to portray Casey in a favorable light. It was surely apparent to OCSO and the SAO that the Anthonys had circled their wagons around Casey.
At the end of the two-hour hearing, Judge Strickland set bond at $500K, ordered two psychological examinations, and ordered a GPS bracelet should Casey make bail. It was clear that Casey would not be allowed out of jail at least until the doctors had examined her, and possibly not at all if she couldn’t make bail.
Later on the same afternoon (July 22 from 5:04-5:46pm), Tony Lazzaro was interviewed by OCSO in an OCSD conference room. At the end of the interview (page 32), the detective brought up some assistance Tony was going to give OCSO that the detective didn’t want on tape:
EE: And you haven’t seen Casey face-to-face since?
AL: I haven’t seen her since the altercation she had with her mother at my apartment.
EE: Are you, you had stated before you’re willing to allow us to use some investigative leads that I don’t necessarily want to talk about on tape.
AL: Yes.
EE: Uhm, you’re freely giving us that cooperation?
AL: Yes sir.
Before he left the building, Tony signed consent forms for all his telephone and computer activity to be bugged.
According to the discovery, it was the following day, July 23, that Lee called Tony to request a face-to-face meeting, so it seems to me that OCSO had asked for permission to wiretap Tony in case he received communications from Casey, but the opportunity to record a conversation with Lee fell into their laps.
Arrangements were quickly made to fit Tony out with a wired vehicle, and Tony called Lee back at 5:30pm at the request of Yuri Melich. However, Lee did not answer the call, and Tony had to leave a message in voicemail. Melich stood by until 10:00pm, and then called the operation off. Lee subsequently returned Tony’s call at 10:15pm and Lee and Tony tentatively agreed to meet the following day, July 24.
I suspect a meeting did not take place between Tony and Lee on July 24 because on July 29 at 11:11am, MBI Special Agent Duke informed Yuri Melich that a face-to-face wired meeting between Lee and Tony was tentatively scheduled for 6:00pm and that “the meeting was in response to a request from Lee Anthony to discuss Lazzaro’s relationship with Casey Anthony.” The July 29 wiretapped meeting did take place at 6:00pm.
I suspect a meeting did not take place between Tony and Lee on July 24 because on July 29 at 11:11am, MBI Special Agent Duke informed Yuri Melich that a face-to-face wired meeting between Lee and Tony was tentatively scheduled for 6:00pm and that “the meeting was in response to a request from Lee Anthony to discuss Lazzaro’s relationship with Casey Anthony.” The July 29 wiretapped meeting did take place at 6:00pm.
Maura
Get the f out? Wow, I really missed that one. I thought that it was Tony undercover. Wasn’t it Tony’s car? If so, how would Lee rig it? OH….OR are you saying that Tony was rigged up and Lee happened to request a meeting which fell right into their hands?
I get it. Maura.
I still think LE and the prosecution were none too happy with Lee’s “investigating” escapades. But I seriously don’t know how sinister his behavior actually was, ie. hiding evidence or moving the remains etc, or else I believe that he would have been charged already, but who knows?
» Jennyb said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 12:01:51 }
I love the way this family uses words. “the residence”, “the vehicle”, “neutral place”, “reaching out”, “that little girl”. And there are so many more I can’t think of at the moment… Who talks like that?
Jennyb, they are trying to seem hypercorrect or hyperimportant by using phrases that no one in the everyday world uses. Their self-important speech throughout this case has really fried me, mainly because, as you said, “Who talks like that?” If you’re going to call your sister tonight, do you say “I am going to reach out to my sister tonight”? Of course not.
Grrrr. These people make me want to scream, for SO many reasons.
Kari,
I can understand Drew’s take that the family would get rid of the evidence but, on the flip side………I can see say….the family knows where the body is…they believe the accident story……..they cant go directly because of media attention or whatever…and they dont want to do something to make it worse for Casey because she is their family too and they love her, but they did love Caylee and dont want to leave her out in the woods…..so they decide that having someone else find her will be enough…and they can say she was dumped after Casey was in jail not knowing about the tape, etc. oh well, just a thought…
Hiya Val great article as usual. I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this but George showed up at the impound lot with his old gas can full of gas. The impound guy interviewed said he was surprised to see George all ready with the gas can as if he knew exactly why the car was there.
So George definitely used it after Casey returned them and before August 1st. The impound guy described the gas can and it was the old round one so no doubt George used it.
I have always wondered how George knew Casey’s car would be out of gas. I thought she was supposed to be in Jacksonville at the time?
My personal opinion has always been that George or Cindy spoke with Casey prior to them picking up the car and she told them a crazy lie about running out of gas but needed to go back “to work” immediately so she just left it. Once George and Cindy get to the impound lot they realize that a dead body has been in her car and THAT is why Cindy frantically tracked her down. Either that or George told her to abandon the car by driving it around in circles before parking bcuz she had confessed to him about Caylee. I can’t think of another explanation as to how George knew in advance the car was out of gas.
Marcy,
I totally agree with the self importance thing…
I worked in the self storage industry and I worked for a company who consulted on parking arrangements…and doing customer service for the newspaper…..lol
» Danna said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:38 }
they believe the accident story……so they decide that having someone else find her will be enough…and they can say she was dumped after Casey was in jail not knowing about the tape, etc. oh well, just a thought…
Danna
Good point. But, if true, then it makes their subsequent behavior more despicable. To embark on witch hunts, targeting people like Jesse & Richard Grund etc., is is just so unethical and criminal. Why not own up to the accident and staging? Maybe Casey’s parents could have begged the court for mental health services while Casey served her time? Why hurt someone else? Why wait and let your grandchild decompose a block from your house?
You guys are cracking me up, I had never heard people say ‘reach out’ to so many people before. Even the detectives started saying it. I then thought is was some geographical thing. Like me saying you guys.
Someone mentioned Casey and Lee being alone in the garage the night LE was called and there is, in fact proof, the car was gone through by Casey and Lee and items were taken.
Cindy tells LE in her first interview that Casey’s lanyard for Universal Studios was hanging from Casey’s mirror in the car. It’s a long wined statement in which Cindy accuses LE of taking it but failing to list it on the report and she goes to great lengths to explain how it was impossible for Casey to have removed it bcuz she was never alone.
In Cindy depo with the SAO she tells them Casey gave Baez the lanyard. So that means Casey did take it and God knows what else she took and did to her car and she wasn’t alone she was with LEE. Someone took the lanyard and kept it until Casey was out on bond and that someone was LEE and he might very well have taken duct-tape or anything else Casey told him to hide but the lanyard is a fact.
August 21, 2009
At a hearing, Todd Macaluso told the court: “There’s substantial evidence, that we’ve discovered . . . that the body or the remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in the Orange County Correctional facility.”
September 10
The SAO filed a motion asking the judge to compel the defense team to provide documents supporting its claim that someone else put Caylee Marie’s body in the woods near her family’s home.
September 17
48 Hours Mystery fall line-up video released showing Cindy Anthony as a teaser for the show about Casey coming later in the fall.
September 17
The defense argued that its determination that the body was placed in the woods after Casey’s arrest result from the defense’s interpretation of the State’s released discovery and from witness depositions, which are covered by work-product privilege, so the defense has no obligation to hand over anything.
September 22
SAO filed five-page motion in response to defense “spoliation” motion demanding proof that the defense experts are unable to draw conclusions from the photographic and other evidence from the wooded crime scene. The state also asked for a new list of defense witnesses and for a hearing so prosecutors could cross-examine them. They also want the opportunity to depose the witnesses before the hearing. “It is clear this matter will require a lengthy evidentiary hearing with the burden of proof on the defendant,” Ashton wrote.
October 2
On Good Morning America, Todd Macaluso said, “Not a single hair fiber, not a single fingerprint, not a single speck of DNA.”
October 16
At a hearing, Baez argued that the State, not the defense, has failed to be diligent in providing discovery; State argued the defense is holding back facts. Strickland set a loose deadline of February 1 for defense to provide witness list or facts to back up Macaluso’s August 21 statement that evidence proves the body was placed in the woods by someone else or else explain to Strickland why the defense cannot provide that information.
October 17
CBS 48 Hours Mystery: The Untold Story of Caylee Anthony. “A stranger. It was a stranger involved,” said attorney Todd Macaluso.
lol Ms. Eloise… its like everything comes from something else…they reach out (and touch someone)…they go and ‘bond’ way later than most, imo……..nothing they say sounds anything like a conversation in my family…maybe thats just me…we are a huge bunch, loud and probably a bit strange….lol
WSH….maybe because they believed the accident story, but didnt know about the duct tape…and the ’staging’ part was not an issue until after the body was found and then they knew?……either way, I think their behavior has been pretty despicable. (did I spell that right…I was trying not to spit…lol)
WSH, I think they are just desperate to ‘not lose another one’ at this point.
WSH said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:52 }
I get it. Maura.
I still think LE and the prosecution were none too happy with Lee’s “investigating” escapades. But I seriously don’t know how sinister his behavior actually was, ie. hiding evidence or moving the remains etc, or else I believe that he would have been charged already, but who knows?
*****
I agree, and I believe Lee was in seriously hot water for claiming to Tony that OCSO told him Ricardo had a narcotics history. That goes FAR BEYOND gathering information about the disappearance of your neice.
But you understand my opinion that the wiretapped meeting between Tony and Lee was a stroke of luck and that the reason for getting Tony wired up in the first place was to record incoming calls from Casey since – as of July 22 – OCSO knew she wasn’t getting out on bond any time soon and might call her boyfriend.
Thanks Maura
We can see that 48 hours played after the court appearance, that part of it had been taped earlier (as you showed in your time line), but that some portion could have been taped later, closer to the air date, as an update. I don’t think I could take watching it again to figure it out. Once was enough!
The body wasn’t staged by placing the duct-tape bcuz the science shows the duct-tape was wrapped around her head prior to decomposition. So there is no way Casey told her family it was an accident but gee you guys should get rid of the duct-tape cuz I used it on her head???
Besides why bother trying to make an accident look like a murder just confess and say it was an accident. The problem Casey always had was she duct-taped the baby’s head so she could never claim it was an accident and that’s why she never did. She would have been forced to take LE to the corpse and they would have seen the duct-tape and would have known it was no accident.
“Maurapedia”
Maura
Damn…. you are good with pulling out the goods. You could have your own “wiki” page for comprehensive info in this case.
There seem to be some people confused about the issue at hand. There are several posters asking what the significance could have been “that early on”. There was no significance that early on. The point is that Lee appears to have used the duct tape at least once (at the command center) and most likely twice (on the gas can) and the questions become
1. was it his in the first place?
2. or did he get it from his parents home AND THEN KEEP IT.
The immunity talks and all the lawyer activity did not occur until AFTER Caylee’s body was found. So the question is – did Lee get rid of the rest of the Henkel duct tape?
Maura,
does Ricardo have a narcotics history? just curious….
Val…sorry if I was off topic….
I believe the tape did come from the A’s garage….its very possible and even probable that they used the remainder of the roll putting up posters. I dont think Lee disposed of it, because even if they knew Caylee was dead, I dont think they knew the tape would be significant…jmo
Did you not read what I just said?
dawnisis said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:22 }
George knew Casey had stolen two gas cans and returned them empty on June 24. Cindy was watching the house like a hawk (how else did she notice a missing Teddy Bear on July 3?), and IMO Cindy knew groceries had gone missing and maybe also knew her JC Penney card was gone. George said Casey was always stealing money or asking for money from her parents, and she hadn’t been home for a month. I’d say both George and Cindy had good reason to suspect the tank was empty.
1. was it his in the first place?
2. or did he get it from his parents home AND THEN KEEP IT.
I thought I was answering those with my post…
1. No I dont think it was Lee’s tape
2. I think they used the remainder, not that he kept it or disposed of it
Am I missing your point?
dawnisis said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:04 }
Someone mentioned Casey and Lee being alone in the garage the night LE was called and there is, in fact proof, the car was gone through by Casey and Lee and items were taken.
Cindy tells LE in her first interview that Casey’s lanyard for Universal Studios was hanging from Casey’s mirror in the car. It’s a long wined statement in which Cindy accuses LE of taking it but failing to list it on the report and she goes to great lengths to explain how it was impossible for Casey to have removed it bcuz she was never alone.
In Cindy depo with the SAO she tells them Casey gave Baez the lanyard. So that means Casey did take it and God knows what else she took and did to her car and she wasn’t alone she was with LEE. Someone took the lanyard and kept it until Casey was out on bond and that someone was LEE and he might very well have taken duct-tape or anything else Casey told him to hide but the lanyard is a fact.
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Cindy said the lanyard was in a black bag on the front seat of the Pontiac (she never said it was hanging from a mirror). In her SAO deposition, Cindy said SHE found the lanyard in her bedroom in a drawer when Casey was in jail the first time (July 16-Aug 21) and CINDY gave the lanyard to Baez before Casey bonded out the first time.
OK I get it, thanks I am dense. I vote for the “he used it and kept it”, version. I think George is a chronic duct tape user. Though he could have passed that trait on to Lee. But we already decided Casey is lazy, so she likely grabbed it easily while in the garage.
Maura….didnt Cindy say she found the lanyard in her own drawer? or am I just remembering that totally wrong?
This lanyard is supposed to be her work ID? What other reasons would this be such a hot item to hide & give to a lawyer?
Danna said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:41 }
Maura,
does Ricardo have a narcotics history? just curious….
*****
Sleuthers dig and dig to see if any allegations in the discovery can be substantiated. The videotapes of that wiretapped conversation were released almost 10 months ago. I’ve never seen any information anywhere substantiating Lee’s claim.
Thanks Maura….I was curious if Lee just pulled…uh made that up, or if there was some basis.
Val said:
“The immunity talks and all the lawyer activity did not occur until AFTER Caylee’s body was found. So the question is – did Lee get rid of the rest of the Henkel duct tape?”
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Ok gotcha. I was under the impression that the immunity talks and “Lee knows what he did” was well before the time Caylee’s remains were found. Thus, my confusion.
“The immunity talks and all the lawyer activity did not occur until AFTER Caylee’s body was found. So the question is – did Lee get rid of the rest of the Henkel duct tape?”
Hmm, a conundrum.
Sorry for not listening Val. I will have to think about this. Good point.
Danna said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 06:01:18 }
Maura….didnt Cindy say she found the lanyard in her own drawer? or am I just remembering that totally wrong?
*****
That is what I wrote. Cindy found the lanyard in her bedroom in a drawer.
» NewYork, New York said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:09 }
» WSH said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:32 }
“oh he won’t be here he is leaving”
Don’t remember that NYNY…..interesting. Wasn’t he on the 48 hours mystery show after that court hearing? of course it could have been taped earlier, but some stuff seemed up to date.
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WSH
I believe the 48 hr mystery was before that hearing and he has been absentee since…. I also do not see him on the updated who’s who lists of players for this case that is out there ….. so I am thinking he is not on board…. but JMHO
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Sorry, I missed a word when I responded to WSH ….. What I meant to say is (first line) “I believe the 48 hr mystery was “TAPED” < (missing word) before that hearing"…. and IIRC it was indeed the Oct 16th hearing when he (Macaluso) was sitting behind Casey Anthony that Baez said "he won't be here he's leaving" as they were packing up to leave … that statement always bothered me as to what he was referring to
» NewYork, New York said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:09 }
» WSH said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 03:01:32 }
“oh he won’t be here he is leaving”
Don’t remember that NYNY…..interesting. Wasn’t he on the 48 hours mystery show after that court hearing? of course it could have been taped earlier, but some stuff seemed up to date.
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WSH
I believe the 48 hr mystery was before that hearing and he has been absentee since…. I also do not see him on the updated who’s who lists of players for this case that is out there ….. so I am thinking he is not on board…. but JMHO
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Sorry, I missed a word when I responded to WSH ….. What I meant to say is (first line) “I believe the 48 hr mystery was “TAPED” < (missing word) before that hearing"…. and IIRC it was indeed the Oct 16th hearing when he (Macaluso) was sitting behind Casey Anthony that Baez said "he won't be here he's leaving" as they were packing up to leave … that statement always bothered me as to what he was referring to.
IMO Lee’s troubles are not just because of the laptop but that’s a part of it … it could be that Casey stormed out after the fight with Cindy and went over to Lee’s … it could be that duct tape was from Lee’s and he got rid of it after Dec 11th … he seems he was a part of the “brainstorming” the A’s did and coming up with the JBP scenario knowing it was BS … but I tend to think whatever Lee’s involvement was that it is key to the timeline and what the family did to cover up the crime … I think KC told Lee things that she didn’t tell anyone else in the family … and I certainly think Cindy instructed Lee to do many things that he could be in a lot of trouble for …
IMO LE went after the weakest link to try to force him into giving a truthful statement and saving his butt … which makes me think that Cindy and George are in REALLY big trouble after the trial and LE is just giving them enough rope to hang themselves with … at least I hope so ..
» Maura said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 06:01:07 }
dawnisis said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:04 }
Someone mentioned Casey and Lee being alone in the garage the night LE was called and there is, in fact proof, the car was gone through by Casey and Lee and items were taken.
Cindy tells LE in her first interview that Casey’s lanyard for Universal Studios was hanging from Casey’s mirror in the car. It’s a long wined statement in which Cindy accuses LE of taking it but failing to list it on the report and she goes to great lengths to explain how it was impossible for Casey to have removed it bcuz she was never alone.
In Cindy depo with the SAO she tells them Casey gave Baez the lanyard. So that means Casey did take it and God knows what else she took and did to her car and she wasn’t alone she was with LEE. Someone took the lanyard and kept it until Casey was out on bond and that someone was LEE and he might very well have taken duct-tape or anything else Casey told him to hide but the lanyard is a fact.
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Cindy said the lanyard was in a black bag on the front seat of the Pontiac (she never said it was hanging from a mirror). In her SAO deposition, Cindy said SHE found the lanyard in her bedroom in a drawer when Casey was in jail the first time (July 16-Aug 21) and CINDY gave the lanyard to Baez before Casey bonded out the first time.
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Maura: Yes, Exactly I totally agree Cindy found it in the black bag and not hanging from her mirror.
» dawnisis said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 05:01:22 }
Hiya Val great article as usual. I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this but George showed up at the impound lot with his old gas can full of gas. The impound guy interviewed said he was surprised to see George all ready with the gas can as if he knew exactly why the car was there.
So George definitely used it after Casey returned them and before August 1st. The impound guy described the gas can and it was the old round one so no doubt George used it.
I have always wondered how George knew Casey’s car would be out of gas. I thought she was supposed to be in Jacksonville at the time?
My personal opinion has always been that George or Cindy spoke with Casey prior to them picking up the car and she told them a crazy lie about running out of gas but needed to go back “to work” immediately so she just left it. Once George and Cindy get to the impound lot they realize that a dead body has been in her car and THAT is why Cindy frantically tracked her down. Either that or George told her to abandon the car by driving it around in circles before parking bcuz she had confessed to him about Caylee. I can’t think of another explanation as to how George knew in advance the car was out of gas.
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dawnisis
IIRC it was during the FBI interview with George that he when he returned home to get the title for the car he said it was Cindy who suggested that they better bring gas to the tow yard b/c the car may be out of gas and George agreed.
Maura….sorry, I missed that….question….has anyone seen this lanyard of Casey’s? I dont recall it in discovery..
Plus there’s the Anthony urban myth that the car’s fuel gauge was faulty. How conveeenient.
What the heck was so important about that lanyard I wonder. A string around your neck with a plastic laminated card does not a job make.
Every time I hear about that stupid lanyard I keep thinking about the dog collar in “Men in Black”. Did the lanyard house an alternate universe or something?
Somebody pleeeease explain why this thing is important! lol.
LE already knew she didn’t have a job so … ? Unless there was some sort of body fluid on the thing and was wiped off by Cindy? Other than that I got nuthin’.
JenniB…I agree…unless it was the weapon…or it had Casey’s pic and the name Zenaida….
Danna… ahhh. Thank you.
I think it’s way more than the “If there’s a dog there’s a Zanny” (If there’s a lanyard there’s a job) line of thinking. Something extremely important about this item. Has to be.
Just can’t figure out why a woman would flip out over this ID while her daughter is in jail and her grandaughter is basically gone if it wasn’t somehow REALLY important.
Starting to make sense now.
Universal said Casey was fired in April 2006 for job abandonment, but Cindy said Casey used that Universal ID (the one on the shamrock lanyard) to get the family into Universal in late October, 2007 for a Halloween-themed event.
Obviously Cindy wanted to believe Casey had been able to get through the gate with that ID for at least 18 months after Universal claimed she had been fired; in other words, Cindy hoped that Casey did have a job inside the park and that Baez would be able to use the lanyard to prove Casey had been working there long after April 2006.
Assuming Cindy is correct, a possible explanation is that Casey knew someone operating a turnstile that night and (wink, wink) was ushered through the gate with her family after showing her ID.
Maura, I could be way off on my timeline here, but wasn’t Cindy fussing about the lanyard and blaming LE for misplacing it, etc., way after Casey was caught dead to rights having no job? It was indisputable. Just seems a huge waste of time… even for Cindy… there were so many other elements of the story she was juggling.
Maybe I’ve been stretching out the time when really all of this happened in a smaller window.
I’m curious because there’s been so little discussion about the lanyard and what it could mean – if it had a possible nefarious purpose I haven’t heard about it and the blogs have been dissecting this case for over a year now…
Maura, Im a little confused….Casey did get the family in for Halloween 2007 with ID? This is documented or just Cindy’s musings?
Is it also possible that Cindy’s rant about possible police taking the lanyard the overnight of the 15th (lots of police in and out of the house, she said), was to divert attention and pre-empt an excuse blaming someone else about the missing lanyard, as she was going to use it to investigate Casey’s job claims on her own– send George, send Lee? (she could use as a tool to talk to human resources).
Danna, IIRC, Cindy found the lanyard tucked in a drawer at home.
Cindy was always talking to Casey about any problem that came up, during the missing days. When George found the shed broken into, he didn’t have time to call Cindy before she already knew from Casey, as one example.
Once Cindy learned of the towing of the vehicle, what would she do first? Call Casey, of course– it’s a problem, get the daughter on the phone ASAP to explain. What would Casey say was the reason? ‘out of gas’, of course. (not that someone stole the car and had the baby and that she didn’t know where the car was at)
Kleat, I also remember talk of Cindy finding a lanyard…I just dont remember seeing a picture of it or anything else in discovery to confirm its existence…..could be there, but I dont remember anything….which begs the question….what is its relevance other than proof to Cindy that Casey had a job? In other words, what if there is no lanyard, its like Zanny’s white dog?
Jennyb As far as I can tell it is a pattern or technique that the Anthony family uses. For example, Cindy ostensibly believes that since Caylee talked about a dog, there must be a Zanny. I think it’s the same thing – Casey insisting she has a work ID…so if she has the work ID she must have/have had a job.
I’m always a day late here, and when I ask my brilliant questions, everyone has moved on to the next post. Well, here goes anyway. Did Casey have two ID tags? Did one of them have her name and the other have someone else’s name? Didn’t Cindy say that the little pranksters at Universal were always switching causing hilarity to ensue?
During Casey’s interview at Universal, when discussing Zanny and her work I.D., she (Casey) states in a defiant tone “she DID have an I.D.”.
Just the very tone of that statement alone, jumps out. In my opinion, Casey makes this statement in such an authoritative manner, because she CAN say that…because, Zanny DID have an I.D. (BECAUSE CASEY IS Zanny – duh) and in all probability, Casey STILL had her I.D.- to prove to the puppet master (Spinthia) that she
‘worked at Universal as an Event Coordinator”…
I still shake my head even when only typing Casey’s fantasy ‘title’, moreso, when I hear her state it in interviews.
I am curious also the significance of the lanyard?
I’ve been thinking about that lanyard.
I find it odd that Cindy would say she found it in HER bedroom drawer. Did she find that lanyard hidden somewhere in the “family residence” on July 3? Is that why drove to Universal that day to look for Casey, sent Lee out looking for Casey that night, and wrote her “My Caylee is Missing” letter on Myspace”?
How would Casey be getting into Universal without it assuming Cindy really believed Casey was actually working?
That lanyard sure got around.
The lanyard fuss has always intrigued me. Even though Cindy knew on July 3rd in her Myspace lament that Casey didn’t work (“No money, no future.”
that ID badge could prove, somehow, that Casey was still working in some capacity at some job.
Cindy does not give up her fantasies about Casey easily. Recall that Cindy was still half believing the Tampa accident story even after it had been proven as all false. She kept referring to it in LE interviews and going back over it. Even after LE told her that they’d already covered those lies. Cindy agreed, paused, and said “But still…”. But still WHAT, woman. She couldn’t give it up.
Also, Maura is right on about Lee and his “investigation”. (Well, Maura is always right on, need I say?) I remember thinking that in his questioning of Casey’s pals, besides throwing other people under the bus, Lee would say, “Now don’t protect Casey!” and then he’d try to find out everything that Casey had been doing, what the friends thought, and thereby get a grip on the worst, not really to find out the truth, but, IMO, to be one up on LE and have some time to cover Casey’s tracks.
I never trusted Lee. So perhaps I’m jaded. He’s as weird as all the rest. And he, as well as his parents, knew what had happened to Caylee… at least in general, if not in all particulars.
Does Lee use duct tape in his work? Whatever that work is. It has something to do with event parking, no? Did he use duct tape at the arena lots to put up “Park here” signs?
Hey folks!!! it’s me! the european peasant!!
Any hot news?
Val, I must say, i was ready to get into action, today….no livestream???
ohhhh God!!!and I was saving my Monday agenda for KC,,how much more desapointment can this case challenge me with????
Good morning!
The only posts that cover or ask for my personal expertise was Lee being a sneak and leaking his unsubstantiated ‘X is on narcotics’ BS. I am not going to trot out me qualifications, everyone knows them. Those kids KC was hanging with before the Anthony implosion are EXACT OPPOSITES of anyone in the second or third stages of hard drug use. For arguments sake, weed is less potent than alcohol, drug-wise. After the VERY basics, the rest goes to drugs. Not even to get high but to just ‘get off of sick’ and feel ok enough to go to work and/or steal. I know KC was not on the hard stuff. Out of that circle, she behaved like a CLASSIC junkie. Before anyone misreads, I realize that she was just screwed up on her own. One thing about the check spree is that was a textbook addict set of actions. You know you will get popped eventually but that is ok. That is tomorrow. Just get off of sick NOW and let tomorrow take care of itself. I am sure experienced cops thought about it and asked. Lee, like all skilled BS artists, seen where they were going and did some pre-emptive lying on his own. Hence the Ricardo and Amy stories him and Grammy Dearest were spreading about KC’s final circle of suckers, I mean ‘friends’. But that is just a side note for you folks who probably have spreadsheets covering this.
Back to topic, Lee did not want immunity just because it made him feel safe. Additionally, his lawyer did not resign the AFTERNOON he got done testifying because ‘he was no longer needed’. There is something just not right about him, his actions, or his words. I often think about that & I think Val is very much on the right track. The gas can tape job is far more significant than I had previously thought. I thank everyone for pointing me there and your discussions. OK, gotta go. I look forward to this afternoon.
T
:arrow: PS Val, I can tell I am close to a manic cycle. If I ever seem ‘off the hook’. please delete, edit, or do whatever you think best with me comments
I trust your judgment.
“The immunity talks and all the lawyer activity did not occur until AFTER Caylee’s body was found.”
Val
It may have something to do with the duct tape, but the later fears about obstruction charges may have simply come from additional heat from LE following the locating of the remains. Add to that the fact that Lee didn’t want to take a poly in the past, he was fighting the family giving DNA (wasn’t he? or fingerprints?), and then his weird behavior at the memorial. Like someone said, maybe the police where saying “come on, we KNOW that YOU KNOW more than you said in the past, we know what you were doing while investigating with witnesses”, and then eluded to obstruction.
They (LE), once knowing about the remains so close to the Anthonys, and their bizarre changing of Casey’s history , just had enough, and put the pressure on, knowing that Lee might be the weakest link ( as someone, maybe Maura, said). Before all this, they had to check out any number of false sightings of Caylee by the Anthonys. After the remains were found, that gig was up, and they probably just had more than a “gut feeling” that the entire family was full of shit. Especially since Dom Casey was out poking around the dump site coupled with the fact that he wanted to make Lee his little deputy dog. Then you have a bunch of photos of Caylee in the big trouble tee shirt that MAY have been deleted by Lee. That wouldn’t have been important until after the remains were found. However, I haven’t seen any proof that those photos existed on the Anthony computer yet, or that anyone deleted them.
Anyone can tell me when /if not yet the court thing is happening?
I believe if anything happens it will be at 1:30ish. I have wftv on my other tab, nothing yet.
The court calandar still has 10 am scheduled for Casey as well.??? Lol who knows but the news folks keep saying this afternoon. TES filed for a continuance on the motion to release search info..so nothing on that this week.
“TES filed for a continuance on the motion to release search info..so nothing on that this week.”
I don’t get the motion from the defense. The judge ordered that they could have access by perusing the documents in Mark Nejame’s office. Supposedly Brad Conway went , made some notes and left. I don’t recall if any member of the defense went. Anyone?
Why do they want these docs released if they were already granted access, albeit in a controlled environment?
Meanwhile, they won’t give the prosecution the addresses and phone numbers of the two rogue searchers that made statements about the water levels in the dump site. What gives? Maybe the state has since received them?
I think they are trying to claim TES lied and as part of the vast conspiracy to frame Casey, did not give them info on all of the searchers that went swimming over Caylees body in the woods. Their proof of this is that they claim to have found searchers not on the TES list for that area. Of course they have not turned these names over to the prosecuter yet. TES claims that these rogues were not assigned any where near where the body was eventually found.
Now, to confound the vast conspiracy, Baez wants the full list of thousands of searchers so he can deposed them all and put the case off until 2017.
tob
They were given access. I think that they never showed up to look at any of the records; only Conway did.
All of this should probably be in Misc.
Sorry Val!
Oh wait, TES filed for continuence… guess they want to leave this original arrangement in place, so that the defense doesn’t come back with a motion again….???
Sorry, yes my point was these rogues were not assigned there so the TES list would not have them in the matrix of the search area. I don’t remember who had access, but I believe the defense was there. The defense then tracked them down(or were approached by them) outside of the TES list months later. So Baez thinks this opens the door to the entire list. He has a major problem with wishful thinking.
I think TES may have put this off as small compared to the Mysty Croslin debacle this week. That is one strange soap opera and TES is taking a lot of heat and questions right now.
Kleat said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 10:01:21 }
Cindy was always talking to Casey about any problem that came up, during the missing days. When George found the shed broken into, he didn’t have time to call Cindy before she already knew from Casey, as one example.
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That isn’t correct.
Per the Anthony landline phone records for June 24, George called Cindy at Gentiva at 9:49am, then called OCSO 10:19am, then called Cindy’s cell at 10:22am. Per Casey’s cell records, Casey and Cindy did not talk at all on June 24 until 11:20am.
I agree Tob
If these people were on TES lists, the prosecutor’s office could have gotten the phone numbers from Nejame. It’s likely that the defense dug them up through scared monkeys, and not TES.
Okay Tob, I see what you are getting at with TES. Here is an interesting post on WS.
However, Casey, by all witness statements, was not a serious user of drugs. Also, if she had any involvement in selling drugs, surely she would have had more cash:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=90cf7fc2edd200f3ed015d210326486b&t=84147&page=9
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Also on the Lee issue:
Take it for what it is worth, but didn’t Leonard Padilla mention, at some point, that the police were looking to talk to Lee again, but that he was basically blowing them off? This has been going on for so long, I can’t keep it all straight. I’m telling you , there should be a “Maurapedia” site. lol
Valhall, you are nothing short of amazing! I don’t even know what to say. I read your blog with my mouth hanging open. The only thing missing is a little bit of drool soiling my keyboard, but that day may come.
In the meantime, Kleat (regular blogger at Blink) has posted a wonderful comment that I wanted to share. Just a snippet: “You, George Anthony, are willing to destroy anyone for your daughter and then complain in yet another media op, sitting reading alone in a bare room, your plight of being scrutinized for what the public see as pretty much your own doing. You made your media bed, now lay (not ‘lie’) in it.”
You can read all of it at Jan. 23 @ 11:28 pm. It’s really good. I apologize that I’m adding it to a thread about Lee, not George.
http://tinyurl.com/yl3vjw3
» karen lee said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 11:01:07 }
I’m always a day late here, and when I ask my brilliant questions, everyone has moved on to the next post. Well, here goes anyway. Did Casey have two ID tags? Did one of them have her name and the other have someone else’s name? Didn’t Cindy say that the little pranksters at Universal were always switching causing hilarity to ensue?
Oh my, I really did LOL. Cindy is so funny and Karen, your choice of words is just so perfect. Maybe Cindy knows “musical name tags” is a common game in many work places and that all the nurses where she works do the same thing. Levity in the workplace is so therapeutic and you just can’t underestimate the positive power of a good laugh now and again.
As some have said here, having a lanyard with your own name on it would look good…seems a good guess that the lanyard had another name on it and was stolen prior to end of employment for Casey.
Didn’t Cindy seem a bit mystified to find the lanyard in her top drawer? May have been placed there by someone who expected their OWN drawers to be rifled through (since LE was clustered in the home that “911 night.”
I’m thinking that some of you have answered some big questions here…all of which explain why LE was so confident even before they found the body.
Just an aside…no, “reaching out” is not a regional thing.
(I know I shouldn’t get so much entertainment out of the Anthony family but, geesh, sometimes you just have to laugh.)
It seems to be a similar phenomenon when the A’s make statements about what they FEEL “in their guts”…or make proclamations depending on what their guts are telling them “as a mother.” The gut thing seems to be mysteriously tied in with having given birth at some point in time. Could this be hormonal in nature?
The “residence” thing, I think, is Lee watching too many cop shows. He was just trying to get into form as a respectable detective. He most likely drives around in a “late model coupe” these days.
One name Universal tag had Chris’s name on it, right? It wasn’t a lanyard, though. We have never had any info on that lanyard yet. Sure would be interesting to know whose name it is.
One name Universal tag…One Universal name tag
» Mimi said: { Jan 25, 2010 – 09:01:56 }
» karen lee said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 11:01:07 }
I’m always a day late here, and when I ask my brilliant questions, everyone has moved on to the next post. Well, here goes anyway. Did Casey have two ID tags? Did one of them have her name and the other have someone else’s name? Didn’t Cindy say that the little pranksters at Universal were always switching causing hilarity to ensue?
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karen lee
There was only the one lanyard with her original ID . The switching was with reference to the black bag that Cindy found on the front seat and had the name “Chris” on the bag is what Casey was referring to when she told her mother that they use to switch the bags. Obviously it is not true b/c she probably actually stole it, Period.
WSH said: { Jan 25, 2010 – 08:01:18 }
“TES filed for a continuance on the motion to release search info..so nothing on that this week.”
I don’t get the motion from the defense. The judge ordered that they could have access by perusing the documents in Mark Nejame’s office. Supposedly Brad Conway went , made some notes and left. I don’t recall if any member of the defense went. Anyone?
Why do they want these docs released if they were already granted access, albeit in a controlled environment?
Meanwhile, they won’t give the prosecution the addresses and phone numbers of the two rogue searchers that made statements about the water levels in the dump site. What gives? Maybe the state has since received them?
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Members of the defense are only allowed to look at the TES records of the 4,000 Caylee searchers while being monitored and are not allowed to make notes or photocopy any records. That means the defense cannot contact any of those additional searchers to find out if they knew of anyone else who searched on Suburban Drive or searched there themselves or even to double-check the TES records to make sure all the official searches a volunteer participating in were accurately recorded by TES. The defense obviously wants to make photocopies of all the volunteer records so that each TES searcher can be contacted by the defense and asked those questions.
For example, Laura Buchanan was a TES searcher, but she went to Suburban Drive on her own, so her Suburban Drive search would not be listed on the records in NeJame’s office. Since the defense cannot contact the volunteers in NeJame’s office, the defense would not have know (simply by reviewing the records) that Buchanan had searched on Suburban Drive. But if the defense were allowed to contact all the TES volunteers, they might be able to identify more Suburban Drive searchers who are not identified as such in the TES records.
The SAO did not complain that the defense was withholding contact information for Laura Buchanan and Joseph Jackson (prosecutors could easily find the contact information for those searchers in the records in NeJame’s office). The SAO did complain that the defense would not provide contact information for the Kronk witnesses (Crystal and Brandon Sparks, Jill Kerley, April Hensley, Bradley Wright, etc.).
Morning Hinky Meterites!
Wasn’t there something, way back when around Thanks Giving, with Cindy’s e-mail account getting hacked and a spreed sheet of some sort was sent to Kathi B?
The poor, overworked, switchboard ladies in my brain are unable to access the information at this time, but I remember vaguely the spread sheet had to do with KC’s friends and their drug use.
Any chance this was a Lee maneuver?
Thanks Maura-I knew you would come through.
Good point Clockwatcher, but I don’t think we were never given any real info on what was contained in those emails. I remember that Sean Krause thought that they were not hacked and that they were sent intentionally by someone in the Anthony camp.
Oh, I see. It was the bags they were switching.
Val,
A great site that I read daily, but have not commented. I have noticed the questions about the lanyard. Blink has an early on expose’ regarding Cindy and the hidden lanyard that might help your readers. http://blinkoncrime.com/category/caylee-anthony-case/page/11/
Also, regarding cell phone pings and whether Casey could have been at Lee’s home vs somewhere else when she murdered her precious baby. Maura will have to help me remember….but, I think it was nailed down to cell phone pings not being furthur than 60 somewhat feet from the Anthony residence. Maura helped establish this many months ago over at Blink’s. Waves @ Maura!
For those of you who are new to following the case, our beloved Silver has many posts at Blinks explaining the legal aspects of the case. I always print what she and Maura write, but it’s become so big it takes a while to read through it. I, do beleive, that Val, JWG, Maura, and Silver have contributed to the prosecutions case against Casey Anthony! Keep up the brilliant work!
Ok, back to being just a reader and cheerleader!
The news is saying the prosecution filed a response to the kronk ex wife issue this morning, but I can’t find it. Has anybody seen this document?
I heard that there were pictures on this site…….new ones of Caylee where her mouth is crookied or something..how do you find those. I can’t find pictures on here anywhere. Thanks
In the anything-but-clothes party preparations (May?), Amy lent casey gaffers or duct tape. She texted or im’d later that she’d lost it, and was bummed because it was good quality tape that she’d hoped to be able to use for her theater stuff.
I am convinced that’s where the duct tape originally came from.
Susan Wade.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1358
Where was dear brother today? Did I just not see him in court?
I just saw Casey on Fox stand up and plead guilty to checkfraud. And that she should have been a better friend. Lots of tears.
Is there a chance that the latent prints belong to Lee? Is this what LE meant when they said Lee knows what he did? Remember that Lee did not want to give his DNA and did not want to have a polygraph?
Do latent prints mean that it is obvious who they belong to? Can they be partial prints, open to interpretation? Over on Blink’s site, she has been talking about latent prints for a long time.
The duct tape is not all that bothers me about Lee what did he mean when talking to Casey in the jailhouse conversation when he said “Casey you need to tell the truth this isn’t like last time etc….” what did he mean by that???? 8O
Don’t get me wrong, I think LE knows that Casey was the one who murdered Caylee, but maybe Lee helped after the fact. There is something very fishy about him. If they thought this, though, they would have charged him also, right?
Blink has been talking about latent prints for a long time and now is talking about 104 and the info being from the FBI.
http://blinkoncrime.com/
Since Casey was giving Lee hints as to the location of Caylee (jail house video). I have felt that Lee knew for a long time where Caylee was. He had the same problem as Tim Miller – the area was under water, so he had to wait. I think Lee is the source of Dominic Casey’s tromp in the woods close to were Caylee was found. I think that is why DC is fighting the depo. It would make sense that LE would know who made the phone call once they tracked down the disposable phones. Remember Lee got disposable phones for cindy, george and himself and Dominic was one person who had the numbers. Wasn’t DC the one who suggested getting the phones? Lee was working closely with DC and DC allegedly offered him a job (e-mails submitted by Lee).
Val. Didn’t you analyze the idea of Lee messing with the computer at Tony’s? I though the conclusion was that LE had already determined that the computer had crashed before Lee arrived. Am I now dreaming of the evidence too?
It was my impression with George’s depo and his continual insistence that he did not put the tape on the gas can, that he was implying that LE did it to set up Casey.
Nana, interesting to hear your interpretation of George’s “tape” answers in the depo. I didn’t read it but that wouldn’t surprise me one bit. I think George is fully committed to his attitude of *umbrage* at LE’s supposed targeting of the Anthony family. He’s working his victim-hood but good.
Blech.
From what I understand, the Henkel brand duct tape was discontinued several years ago. It was an unusual type of duct tape, expensive when it was available so it would seem to me that it would be something George would have had and bought when it was available, not something Lee would have. My son is Lee’s age and I can tell you if he had a choice of duct tapes to buy he wouldn’t buy the more expensive one that is a “special application” duct tape whereas my husband would buy the more expensive one having more money/experience, etc. If anything, I would think Cindy gave it to Lee to use up with the posters and once the body was found with the duct tape, Lee got rid of it.
Just curious about something if anyone knows. Do they still have Casey’s car? Did they sell it or anything? Still sitting at their house?
Jsue,
The authorities still have the car.
I think that George was all mixed up about the duct tape and what he wanted to say about it because he was trying to understand what the significance of it was to LE and he wanted to give the “correct answers to protect Casey” but he didn’t know WHAT the correct answers should be. A simple case, as Judge Judy would say…
“Instead of trying to figure out where I’m going with this line of questioning, just answer the questions honestly. Don’t make it up as you go along. If you’re honest, you don’t need a good memory.”
I also agree with Yo…Lee got rid of the duct tape but I’m still not sure he didn’t send Mallory to the house to get it before LE had a chance to conduct the search of the “residence” after the body was found. Just opinion and not an accusation here.
Above Nancy Grace states that under our law you do not have to report a body if you see one. Under Title 18 USC Section 4 Misprison of Felony.
It states that whoever has knowledge of a felony and does not report it to the nearest authority shall be fined and sentenced to 3 years in prison.
I know you are talking Florida law but remember the USC is the Supreme law of the land.
» JourneysNonnie said: { Jan 25, 2010 – 06:01:08 }
The duct tape is not all that bothers me about Lee what did he mean when talking to Casey in the jailhouse conversation when he said “Casey you need to tell the truth this isn’t like last time etc….” what did he mean by that????
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I have seen other posters at various times comment on this, and I could swear somebody at some time mentioned that Casey had kept Caylee away from George and Cindy once before in the past. However, I can’t find where that info is.
If there is any truth to this, it would make sense that Lee would tell Casey to come clean because Hey, Chicka, you are in JAIL this time!!! This isn’t a control game with Mom and Dad anymore, this is a criminal investigation now!!!
» Mimi said: { Jan 29, 2010 – 09:01:50 }
I think that George was all mixed up about the duct tape and what he wanted to say about it because he was trying to understand what the significance of it was to LE and he wanted to give the “correct answers to protect Casey” but he didn’t know WHAT the correct answers should be. A simple case, as Judge Judy would say…
“Instead of trying to figure out where I’m going with this line of questioning, just answer the questions honestly. Don’t make it up as you go along. If you’re honest, you don’t need a good memory.”
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I think you’re right, Mimi, about George’s motivation for lying about the duct tape. You can practically hear the gears working in his brain as he tries to figure out what the “correct” answers should be.
It’s unfortunate that Judge Judy wasn’t given an opportunity to question Casey on July 16. I’ll bet she could have gotten her to confess.
» Curiousmom said: { Jan 30, 2010 – 08:01:09 }
» Mimi said: { Jan 29, 2010 – 09:01:50 }
I think that George was all mixed up about the duct tape and what he wanted to say about it because he was trying to understand what the significance of it was to LE and he wanted to give the “correct answers to protect Casey” but he didn’t know WHAT the correct answers should be. A simple case, as Judge Judy would say…
“Instead of trying to figure out where I’m going with this line of questioning, just answer the questions honestly. Don’t make it up as you go along. If you’re honest, you don’t need a good memory.”
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I think you’re right, Mimi, about George’s motivation for lying about the duct tape. You can practically hear the gears working in his brain as he tries to figure out what the “correct” answers should be.
It’s unfortunate that Judge Judy wasn’t given an opportunity to question Casey on July 16. I’ll bet she could have gotten her to confess.
Oh, Judge Judy would have handled this differently, alright….Remember how Casey “Mmmmm’d” LE practically to death during that early questioning?
Judy would have shouted,
“Um and Mmmmm isn’t an answer!!”
When Casey fixed her hair and primped, Judge Judy would have said,
“Stop with the…primping. It annoys me. Don’t look over there. The answer isn’t over there. Look here. I want to see your eyes.”
(All the while banging her pen on the desk.)
Yes, I bet she’d love to have a go at Casey.
» jennyb said: { Jan 24, 2010 – 07:01:58 }
What the heck was so important about that lanyard I wonder. A string around your neck with a plastic laminated card does not a job make.
Every time I hear about that stupid lanyard I keep thinking about the dog collar in “Men in Black”. Did the lanyard house an alternate universe or something?
Somebody pleeeease explain why this thing is important! lol.
ROFLMAO jennyb!!
The lanyard is just another ‘red flag’. Daughter is supposed to be at work, so her lanyard should be with her…you’d think. So should mama the doll be with the
Grandchild who never went anywhere without her. But hey, lets hurry and wash pants that smell like they were beside the dead body in the damn car. Daughter and Grandaughter are missing and someone presumed dead per both George and Cindy.
For an RN trained to be able to assess a situation and triage it for acquity, Cindy is an absolute failure.
So back to the lanyard. Cindy obsesses over the minutia at the expense of the much bigger picture. We see that in every interview where she attempts to control LE with her binder full of BS. Teenage daughter has a 20lb abdominal tumor. No worries, just female troubles. lalalalalalalala
The lanyard means nothing. It was Cindy’s way of re-directing the search from her missing Grandaughter on day 31, to an inanimate object and casting LE’s competence into question at the get go. She knew Caylee was dead when she saw Mama doll and took a whiff and knew who did it the minute she set eyes on KC at Tonys IMHO.
The whole family knows.
Mimi – OMG, I’m hysterical thinking about Casey going up against Judge Judy. If only!!
On another topic, I know we’ve beaten it practically to death, but I just don’t think that Lee would have tried to wipe the laptop hard disk. That night, Cindy and Lee had no idea that Caylee was “kidnapped” or whatever, only that Casey was hiding something. So they would NOT have wanted to wipe the hard disk, they would have wanted to know WHAT CASEY WAS HIDING and would have wanted the files from the laptop.