An Update on the zenaida myspace.

Wow, awesome work. That would definitely speak to premeditation.

Awesome articles Valhall. Thank you for your explaination on the duct tape, I look forward to see what else you’ve got!

Fascinating. Would love to know what she and Tony were chatting about while she is setting up an alibi to be free of her daughter? Takes some serious multi-tasking skills. Will look forward to more of your posts!

Good detective work, Vallhall and panama! I find it interesting that every time Casey has tried to implicate someone else it comes right back around to her. And these things don’t lie!

Thanks all! I’m interested to hear from my compadre JWG on this issue. I would like to hear what he thinks of this new possible time frame for the creation of the myspace.

I conducted a little experiment this morning by deleted my friend JWG from myspace as a friend to see if it automatically removes me as his friend on his end of the deal and it did. I was just curious as to whether, if the “new friend” alert in the wee-hours of the 16th was, in fact, Casey sending a friend invite from the zenaida page to her (Casey’s) myspace, could it have been quickly deleted where no one ever knew she had done it. The answer is yes – it only takes one side of the “friend relationship” to wipe that connection completely out.

Just wanted to let you know, that I called my kids all the time on their cell phones when I and they were in the house. It was to wake them up in the morning, so that I didn’t have to go to their room. Or when I would call and call their name out loud and they didn’t answer. I figured they were asleep or on their other line, either way, calling their phone was a good way to make sure I got a response. Just a thought.

Val, Doesnt myspace verify your new account with a code sent via email? than you click it to make your page. Could this have been the notification from tom Welcome to myspace heres your code.Just a thought.

Thanks Jen,

I had never heard of people doing that, but it does make sense. And as was pointed out to me by some one else today, it could have been George (who claims he fed Caylee breakfast that morning) calling Casey to get her butt out of bed and take care of Caylee.

Fostermom,

I want to say no, because you can’t get mobile alerts set up on an account until after you have the account set up. BUT, what I can’t answer is if the following scenario would happen:

When you set up a myspace account and you get the email and click the verification link and your account gets set up you automatically get a welcome message. So let’s say that she doesn’t read that message because she’s set up so many myspace accounts she knows darned well what it is and she’s not interested – she just ignores it. Then she sets up mobile myspace alerts. The unread message is still sitting in her account. Will the myspace alert immediately send her the “new message” alert because she has the unread welcome message in her inbox?

I don’t know – but I think it might.

A thought – everybody in my home calls their own cell phone from the landline every time they misplace their own cell phone. In fact, this is nearly all we use our landline for these days – as a cell phone finder. LOL

lily,

Another possible explanation. Thank you!

Valhall – I just remember the timeline – we do not leave ourselves a voicemail message and then retrieve it right away if we’re just trying to find a misplaced cell phone lurking in a sofa cushion (I have 4 boys) so this seems less plausible to me now that I’ve had a chance to think about it. Oh well.

Actually, lily, in both cases (whether it was George calling her or her trying to find her phone), the voicemail is problematic. But, at the same time, I can think of scenarios why there would be a voicemail. It could be as simple as letting the phone stay connected too long and accidentally leaving a voicemail (for either scenario). I do believe either one of these might explain it.

Very true. I can also think that if there were a lot of tension in the house – if one wanted to communicate something without actually confronting someone in person – it would be easier to just leave them a vmail. Even if they’re down the hall. I get the most intimate details about my boys via chat because they don’t feel so exposed by having to see my expressions. They’re boys – they will avoid confrontation if they can – but they still want to tell you things. Hey, great site.

I love your pieces on the Zenaida MySpace page and can’t wait to see what comes up in discovery. The duct tape information was also terrific.

Re: June 16 voice mail retrieval at 7:45am and Anthony landline records

The Anthony landline telephone records in released discovery pages 2590-2599 cover the service period June 15-July 4. I compared those records against the 150-page A1.xls records of Casey’s AT&T cell activity from June 1-July 17 for Casey’s cell activity.

Strangely, every time the landline (407-275-4909) calls Casey’s cell phone, Casey’s cell number appears correctly as 407-619-9286 on the list of outgoing calls.

But whenever Casey’s cell phone (407-619-9286) calls the landline, the number shows up on the landline incoming records as either 407-766-9994 or 407-267-9800. What’s even stranger is that those two numbers don’t appear to be exclusively for Casey’s incoming cell calls.

The person assigned to go through the Anthony landline records for June 15-July 4 and mark calls from Casey missed all of Casey’s calls to the house because the landline records do not correctly show her cell phone number on the list of incoming calls. He or she wrote, “No incoming from Casey’s cell” on the records when in actuality, there are 34 calls from Casey’s cell in that set of records (matched by date, time, and duration to Casey’s AT&T records), but they appear alternately as 407-766-9994 and 407-267-9800 instead of 407-619-9286.

I noticed the errors because, like you, I am mystified by Casey’s voicemail retrieval of one (1) second duration on June 16, 2008 at 7:45am for a call placed from the landline.

I cannot see on the Anthony landline outgoing call records when that call was made to Casey’s cell phone since the only call placed from the Anthony landline to Casey’s cell on June 15-16 was the June 15 call at 15:35 that Casey immediately retrieved from voicemail. In fact, that’s the last outgoing recorded call from the landline until June 17 at 12:32pm. Moreover, the outgoing calls are numbered sequentially, and there are no skipped numbers.

It’s been hypothesized that Casey called her own cell phone that morning because she couldn’t find it when she woke up, but if that were the case, then there should be a corresponding outgoing call on those landline records because outgoing calls appear to have been captured even if the duration was zero or one second.

It’s a mystery. Maybe AT&T should double-check.

Maura,

That’s very interesting information. I knew about the discrepancy between the Anthony landline and Casey’s phone records and had been stumped by what caused the difference. I have long thought the phone records need to be addressed because there seems to be major issues between a lot of the data. For instance, the times for incoming calls on Casey’s phone. If you look at Tony’s cell phone records it appears the time listed on Casey’s cell phone record for an incoming call from him is the INITIATING time. But if you apply the rule that the time listed on her cell phone records for incoming calls is when each call started, then the total cell phone record doesn’t work out because then you have her making calls while she is on the phone with some one who called her.

It’s a mess!

Valhill-this site looks just as interesting as your Above Top Secret site. I can’t wait to read & find out more. Thanks for creating this site.

Cool site!! Great information, hope to see it really take off I recognize some really good commentators!

Thank you, Julie, for kindness. I look forward to reading your comments in the future.

Valhall,
I’m glad to see someone else has tried to figure out the 7:45am phone call from the Anthony’s to Casey’s cell…..did Cindy call Casey, thinking she wasn’t home, to remind her that she has a daughter to take care of, and get your azz home?? That’s just 1 of the many scenarios I’ve run through my head.
Cindy said KC’s bedroom door was closed but she knew Casey and Caylee were sleeping, she heard them both breathing.(rolling my eyes)
I have never believed that particular version from Cindy, or any of her versions for that matter.
BUT, what if she actually thought Caylee was sleeping in KC’s bed (per Cindy she slept in KC’s bed ever night) but thought KC never came home the night before, and never opened the bedroom door to check. Maybe she didn’t want to wake Caylee up because Georgie was still sleeping, and no one to watch Caylee until Casey got home.
Casey probably silenced her phone most times, therefore didn’t hear it ring when Cindy called it.
I hope this makes sense…..LOL

Or maybe they were not in their bed that night but somewhere close by in the car???? HMMMMMMMMMMMM

Hi Valhall et al
I too have wondered a lot about those weird 7:45 calls.
A. The idea that maybe this call was a sign that Casey was not home that AM (and perhaps had taken Caylee with her?) and that one of her parents called looking for her /them– seemed unlikely when I saw that the call from the landline to her cell was only 1 second long and there was no repeat call. 1 second is not long enough to ask a question and get an answer, and if it went to VM, the greeting alone would likely put it over 1 second, plus surely they would leave a message. And if they rang because they wanted to know where she was (or they were) and the connection was accidentally or intentionally cut off, I would think they would have tried again that morning? Instead there is no subsequent call shown from either of the A’s to Casey until George called her from work for half a minute around 15:00.

So I think a call from George or Cindy because they could not find her is unlikely unless
B. they called looking for her but immediately DID find her home — maybe heard her cell phone ring and/or heard her moving about — perhaps in the computer room with door closed? so they hung up as soon as her VM picked up If that were the case, she might have immediately rung voice mail, but hung up when a parent came in or as soon as she realised it was starting to say she had no messages. This is one of the few explanations I thought of for why the call from Casey’s cell to VM starts at the SAME second that the landline call ends (7:45:51) and both calls are only 1 second long.)

C. I also thought of a wake up call …
D. or Casey ringing her own phone from the landline in order to make it ring so she could find it, if she had misplaced the cell phone after her late night phone session with Tony.
…….but under either of those circumstances (being asleep or not able to find the phone) that would be some unusually fast action to call VM from the cell phone the same second! (unless she were already awake with phone in hand or beside her when they made a wake-up call. )

E. This may not make sense but here is something I have wondered: If (perhaps while her own phone was charging) she dialed her own phone from the landline and punched in a code to call voice mail, I wonder if it would show up on the records as a 1- second call from the landline to Casey’s number then a 1- second call from Casey’s number to VM. (It would take less than a second to after her phone answered to punch in a code. and might only take about a second for a recording to say “No messages” or “You have no…” before she hung up.

As you can see, out of these I find “B” and “E” most able to explain the 2 calls occuring within a second and each lasting only a second.

(Of course that still does not explain the weirdness of the A’’s phone records not showing calls coming from the number for Casey’s phone even when the outgoing calls are shown on Casey’s cell phone records. )

Thank you, again, Wichi, for a thought-provoking comment. After reading the responses on this I’m leaning toward either George calling her to get up. That really makes sense to me now that you guys have made me think about it.

I DON’T THINK CASEY LEFT THE HOUSE AT ALL ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE15TH. I BELIEVE SHE KILLED CAYLEE IN HER BEDROOM THE NIGHT SHE AND CINDY HAD THEIR ARGUMENT. GEORGE NEVER SAW HIS TWO GIRLS LEAVE THAT HOUSE AT ALL THAT DAY. I THINK CASEY WAITED UNTIL GEORGE LEFT FOR WORK AND THATS WHEN SHE BAGGED THAT BODY AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE IN THE BACKYARD (HENCE) THE CADAVER DOGS HITTING ON I THINK 2 DIFFERENT SPOTS THERE. SOMEHOW CAYLEE’S BODY WAS DISCOVERED BY EITHER CINDY OR GEORGE AND THATS WHEN THEY STARTED GOINING INTO COVER UP MODE. THEY KNEW CAYLEE WAS DEAD AND THEY ALSO KNEW THAT CASEY WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED HER. JMHO

Speaking of phone calls… I feel as though the day( off the top of my head dont remember the exact day ) she was making all those frantic cell phone calls to both of her parents ( without an answer) was Casey;s way of trying to figure out where her parents where and to make sure they were not at home because that was when she planned on killing Caylee…It was early afternoon I think and she was Taking her back to the house and doing it there and wanted to make sure the coast was clear.

Somebody is logged into the Zenaida Myspace right now and accepting friends. Who do you think gained access to the account?

This should be interesting.

hmmmm…. valhall…I wonder if its LEE???..to bad we cant see for ourselves huh??

all i can say its i sure hopes its LE….thats all i can say……

Well this is a strange development. I was still holding out hope that this was Casey’s account.

Please do keep us updated Valhall.

http://www.myspace.com/gitana2332

Ok i found a picture which im almost positve this is Zenaida she goes by Beba on my space …it says the last time she logged in was 12/05/09…….your going to have to find another picture of her where she has her hair frosted to realluy be able to tell…….BUT im almost possible it is her!

CCW,

“Beba” is the real Zenaida who is suing Casey. She is not connected with this myspace.

I guess my main concern is that this ISN’T the owner. If it is the owner, then we’re very close to confirmation that this has nothing to do with Casey, becaues I don’t believe it would be set up by someone else Casey was in cahoots with. If it’s not the owner, then some one has potentially caused a mess. But I would assume LE has gotten all the information they needed by now…so maybe the “hacker” (if there is one) has only been able to generate excitement, and temporary confusion on the internet and nothing more.

Hmmmm… raised some doubt in my mind….and that hacker….being Crazey herself…..or TUBESOCK BOY……

Oh valhall! Don’t say this, ” If it is the owner, then we’re very close to confirmation that this has nothing to do with Casey, becaues I don’t believe it would be set up by someone else Casey was in cahoots with.” That just makes things a lot more complicated than it already is, and I don’t think I even want to go there. My heart is sinking to my feet just thinking about it. *lol* I can’t think of another person that it could be. And the first thing that comes to mind is WHY, if Casey knows she’s innocent, has she sat in jail for over a year with her MOUTH SHUT! That makes no sense to me, as I would be screaming my lungs out proclaiming my innocence. There is NO situation that I can think of, and trust me I’ve thought of alot of them, that would make me sit in jail for something that someone else done. I believe it’s someone that she’s slipped the password to via Baez, etc, that has logged on to throw the spotlight off of her. Joy Wray, Cindy, Elgine Furlow, someone that has thrown themselves into this case unaware of what they’re really getting into, or someone that has hacked the account for the fun of it? It all still comes back to 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing to ANYONE, (and then Cindy did, not Casey), the partying, sleeping around, tatooing, the smell in the trunk of her car, I could go on and on but I’m sure you already know. I’m sure LE is all over this by now, and if so, I hope for the love of God they clear it up with the public QUICKLY. I don’t think my heart can take much more. *lol*
One more thing, did you notice her friends list? I was quite suprised to see a couple of bloggers names on there. What do you make of that?

Hmmmm… raised some doubt in my mind….and that hacker……..TUBESOCK BOY……I wonder if BOZO went to see Crazey yesterday with his laptop? Well though that account says Beba hasnt been online since the 5th of dec( ithought it looked like her)…….soo i remember Crazey in the beginning giving TUBESOCK BOY her myspace passwords. If she created an account then he could be the one who signed on ….seems pretty strange guess we wait…OH BTW Val do you have the mystery account address for the Zenaida Casey created?

wheeeeee ……do you have the link to that Zenaida account??

Here you go, CCW

http://www.myspace.com/389838213

P.S. As far as the bloggers showing up on the friends list. It is people trying to make connection with whomever is accessing this account in order to get more information. I hope they are successful.

I would think if it’s a hacker, we won’t see any blog entry stating “I’ve been getting mail from people asking if I’m connected with the Casey Anthony case…blah blah blah.” Because if this really is owned by a person totally unconnected, I would expect them to clear the air on the confusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBQIrs913q4

I read something else this morning as well……which i guess doesnt surprise me much as i already suspected this in the beginning……this video has for more info under the date if you click it you might find out what Casey was up to in Bozo’s office all day everyday…..

thansk Val….

Hi Val,
Just tuned into the Myspace site– it’s little game playing by out-of-class for holidays kids (my guess). (took them a whole year!)

Strange though, I don’t have Myspace and never have had, yet the page said I was in this Dora aka Miami Zenaida’s extended contacts list. Maybe that’s normal, I wouldn’t think so, but that’s just a common sense guess.

Mood is now ‘LOVED’ and there’s a little clue in this page ‘owner’ last comment ‘I love Alex’. I’m going to make a guess that whoever is playing games, first thought about saying ‘I love sex’ but realized that would be a too obvious jab at Casey saying this, and she can’t post nor would one of her friends or family post that statement. So they just changed it to ‘Alex’ to leave a little tidbit.

It’s start of holiday break! They got a bit of attention for themselves, hopefully from authorites too.

OK, who is Tubesock Boy? A lot of characters to keep track of in this saga…

I’m guessing they mean Lee Anthony.

I belive that its real simple. The Anthony’s have been reading all these posts redarding the myspace page and they most likely Lee Anthony went ahead and logged on, and I hope that the prosecuters are paying attention and tell the world about it. Or someone took the time to listen to all of the tapes of Lee talking about what the passwords are and changed it and logged on. I mean Cmon it was Casey that sat it up and we all know that. It had not been touched for a year since the DAY she was locked up!! And it was just discussed on a blog yesterday!!!!!!!

Kimberlee,

It was discussed on what blog yesterday?

[Edit - I had disgust instead of discussed. I must be disgusted about something, or have disgust on the brain.]

Karen TUBESOCK BOY IS LEE who always wears tube socks with his shorts LMAO!

Valhall, maybe Kimberlee meant Marinade Dave’s posting yesterday about Justice4All’s alert. The following is a quote from his blog:
ALERT! Zenaida Myspace page logged into today
December 19, 2009 · 106 Comments
Justice4All alerted me to some unusual activity. The “zenaida” Myspace page has been breached. It was logged into today. That means a real live Zenaida exists and lives in Miami, law enforcement is scoping it out, or Casey gave her password to someone with outside Internet access. I logged into my account and noticed “she” was online. I sent an IM (instant message) and the person immediately logged out.

Hope this helps.

Here’s my thoughts on this latest development.

I’ve looked over the friends who were accepted yesterday, and with the exception of one it appears to be people following the case. So those are folks trying to open a communication line with the person accessing the myspace. As I said before, I hope they are successful.

There was one lady “Me!” from Tampa, Florida, that I don’t know about. This could also be some one following the case, but may actually be a friend of the owner – if this myspace was not created by Casey.

As I stated before, I would assume that if this myspace belongs to some one other than Casey, then I would expect to see a statement made that there has been a misunderstanding and that this person is in no way connected to the Anthony case.

Half of me says this is a hacker, and the other half says it is a legitimate owner who has just not logged in for a year and 2 months.

I have a hard time believing this is the Anthonys. That would just truly be stupid…more stupid than just stupid, more like damned stupid.

The one thing that has gone through my head are flashbacks of the media stunts pulled by Brad Conway and the Anthonys prior to a couple of discovery releases. We had the “crime scene duct tape doesn’t match the gas can duct tape” presentation by Brad Conway just prior to the forensics release on the fiber analysis of the various pieces of duct tape. Then we had the Brad Conway stating the Anthonys just want Kronk to be left alone the day before the defense accuses him of possibly being involved in the death of Caylee.

While I still think it would be the ultimate stupid step – and therefore don’t put much weight in the possibility – I can’t help but wonder if this is tied to an impending discovery release.

Yep, Gabriella, I know about that, but that would be AFTER the myspace was accessed. Unless I’m misunderstanding, I think Kimberlee means the myspace was discussed yesterday just prior to the access occurring.

But maybe I’m wrong.

I read all the great work you did on this and I think there are too many coincidences for it to not be Casey who created this account. I do think the person who logged in yesterday was a hacker, but then again maybe it was the Anthonys making a stupid move.

Val,

This is just downright perplexing, that’s what it is! Even the name of one of the friends, BondJamesBond is suspicious, not to negate the fact that the photo looks as though it was photoshop’d, if you pull up the playbill of the movie Casino Royale. Can I link to it?

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/casino-royale/18129/main?flv=1

And Bond’s only two friends are Zenaida and Jason Bell, the vampire from Miami? Bond welcomes her back but I can’t find any history of him on MySpace, but as I don’t have a MySpace account I can’t access Bell’s entire page, but from what I have seen, Bond isn’t on it. Only vampires and blood dripping. ARGH! Bell hasn’t been on since June, anyway.

Toby commented too, but only to inquire. Of the others, no one left a comment, as far as I can tell. It just looks to me as though someone’s fooling around, and perhaps this Toby got caught in the crossfire with a legitimate question. I wonder if it will be answered. We’ll have to keep watching!

Willow

Willow,

Bond is an uber-sleuther from WS, just like Val. And there is a reason for the friendship with Jason Bell that I won’t go into. I am a friend as well.

Yep, BJB’s one of the good guys! And he is one of the “new friends” this “zenaida” has I’m hoping will be able to make contact with whomever was active yesterday.

I am trying to look for a few minutes right now at my history, but I do remember I sent a link of the site that I was on to this site. I said that you had a great deal of inofrmation on it. So I am thinking that whoever did it might have visited your site yesterday afternoon. One more question and I am sorry if I sound stupid, but I don’t know computers real well. Does your IP address come through when you send an email, or is there a way to tell where it comes from?

Well, now don’t I feel silly? Er, should I have known this? Did I miss something? You won’t get into what, exactly? ARGH! The SUSPENSE! UMMM, do you want this person to come onto the Hinky Meter? Is that what I’m understanding Kimberly as saying? If this person is connected to the Anthony’s, which HE/SHE probably IS, in my opinion, and they’re just playing games, wouldn’t they then shy away from BJB and Bell? And okay so, I’m going to research Bell, since you’re being so, hush-hush, my dearest Val.

Also, if Kimberly sent a link, and this site was visited by this particular person, who also visited the MySpace site, could you trace the IP address Val? Could you get a list from the MS people? That would be incredible!

JWG,

The name Bell sounds familiar to me. I’m going to start digging.

Willow,

I’m not trying to sound secretive. I don’t know Mr. Bell, but if BJB and JWG are friends with him (for whatever reason they are), I’m sure there is a very good reason for it. I trust both these guys’ (BJB and JWG) judgment to a great extent.

JWG, you are a friend of Bell’s? That’s most interesting.

OOHHH, you’re not saying you trust Bell! I wasn’t worried about BJB. You were sending the message through even as I was. Sorry for the crossover. Oh, and I hate to be a pest.

willow

I am looking now because the kids are in getting laid down. I know that it was one of the blogs that I clicked on from this site or the Cayleedaily. So I assume one of the lesser known. I sent you an email that I had from Cindy just in case it had any of the information from where it came from.

Has someone sent this information to Kathi Belich @ WFTV.. I sent her all the links to the various stories regarding this Myspace to her and I got a response saying that they believe that the OCSO is already looking into this and it is also believed the the records have been requested. I sure would like to see those records.This was a few months ago.

This is a stupid question, but to the numbers that correspond to Casey’s calls to the Anthony home landline but that are not Casey’s cell phone number, is there any way that a cell phone could have more than one number in use at a given time? I know this sounds off beat, I’m not working off a lot of cell phone knowledge, just that the extra phone numbers reminded me of all of Casey’s chatting about a ‘private number’ or her ‘lost’ cell phone (with her same number so she said), and all the friends who changed phone numbers, area codes etc, when they moved.

Is one number dedicated to one cell phone unit at one time, or is it possible to somehow make a forwarded call appear from another cell number? (am sure this is off-base but is it technically possible, different providers with different numbers on a single cell phone? (ie: there are phone scams that allow someone offshore usually, to get a hold of your phone id, and bill long distance calls to your number if you fall for the scheme by, returning the call, or ‘press 9′ or dial some three digit ‘free’ call which routes your phone info to someone else’s use).

If Casey had a circle of ‘friends’ that we don’t know about, is it possible that there are some ‘routing shenanigans’ going on and Casey had access to that? She talks about more than one phone, maybe for a reason. Is fraudulent use of cheques or bank accounts of friends and family as far as this girl got? Or is there another world we might learn about? Manipulating records.

Is it even ‘possible’?

Hey Valhall, I sent you an email to your address under contact….did you get it?

Just checking but I am sure you must be busy with Christmas coming and all that entails.

Yep, and I emailed you back. Did you not get it?

I’ve been following RH’s argument against the Z myspace page theory and one of the things he says to discredit it is that the subpeona would have come out in discovery by now.
Haven’t there been other things that were expected to come out in discovery but did not materialize? I can think of a few;
Did FBI ever interview LA? If so, was it released in discovery? I haven’t seen it if it was.
Didn’t LE travel to California to interview MH same time they interviewed LP’s team? And speaking of LP and his team why didn’t we ever see LE interview TP? Did they even officially interview him at all and was it ever released?

Not to be completely o/t but my point is if we haven’t seen other pieces of discovery yet, and should have by now given this late date, isn’t it also possible that anything related to the myspace just hasn’t been released yet , especially if it wasn’t subpoenaed until Sept 09?
I may be wrong on some of these, please correct me if I am.

I had a discussion yesterday evening with Mr. Hornsby over on Websleuths beginning on page 78 of the “Is Casey the real Zenaida?” thread. You may go read our discussion here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80667&page=78

But I’ll also quote the relevant portions of it here concerning this issue, QB.

Richard Hornsby states:

Valhall, here is my leap of logic.

Today’s date is Sunday, December 20, 2009. That means law enforcement has had nearly 17 months to issue a subpoena for this information not only to MySpace – but to Casey Anthony’s internet provider.

Either entity would have provided a complete listing of where she went and what she did (not to mention the computer forensics report would have revealed such activities).

Now here we are 17 months later (and 6 months after the State filed their Notice to Seek the Death Penalty) and we have a whole lot of nothing.

IF the State had any information in their possession about this MySpace page – it would be required to be turned over to the defense. End of Discussion.

My question to Mr. Hornsby:

Yes, the documents have been posted.

Mr. Hornsby, answer me this, since you are running the circuit on blogs and forums right now on this issue.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT LE HAS NOT SUBPOENAED RECORDS FROM THIS MYSPACE?

And

HOW DO YOU KNOW THOSE RECORDS, IF OBTAINED, DO NOT ATTACH KC TO THIS MYSPACE?

Because they haven’t been released?

Mr. Hornsby,

Would these records be released if they had not been requested by the defense in discovery?

Before you answer that question – please also consider answering this question: Would the Anthony home desktop ISP logs be released by now if the defense had not requested them? And do you think LE has NOT requested those records? Because they have not been released yet.

Richard Hornsby’s response:

…because the defense filed a notice of discovery at the beginning of the case, florida rule of criminal procedure 3.220 requires that the state attorney must turn over all information they have – no exceptions. end of second discussion.

florida has what is called open discovery rules – the purpose of which is to prevent any surprise evidence from magically being presented at trial.

as for your last two questions

* yes
* it would not suprise me if they did not

finally, i am not saying that the myspace link could not be true, i am just saying law enforcement’s failure to look into it says a lot to me about whether there is something there.

p.s. morgan and morgan could have subpoenaed this as part of the civil case as well – and it appears they have not.

Me again:

Okay, so you’re saying that you believe (or you would not feel you were on shaking ground to believe) that law enforcement has not subpoena’d ISP logs from the Anthony home or myspace records from the laptop?

Because we’ve not seen myspace subpoena’d records for Casey Anthony’s account. We’ve only seen publicly obtained records from Casey’s account.

Are you saying that you know what Morgan and Morgan have subpoena’d in the civil action? Are they required to make public records they have for a civil case under the Sunshine Law?

Why did we not have particular forensics from the FBI lab until they were requested by the defense? If what you are saying is understood, shouldn’t we have had them as soon as they were complete? Because the reports date back to last year, first quarter of this year and yet they weren’t released until September to November after the defense requested them.

If we go off what you’re saying, we can assume we have seen everything the state has at this moment, because that’s what your statement reduces to. There is nothing yet unreleased if they have already had it.

Mr. Hornsby:

All that I am saying is that the records related to the MySpace account are the most rudimentary evidence that could be obtained and would have been obtained by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, not the FBI.

As for the civil case, no he is not required to disclose all of his evidence to the public like the state is in the criminal case. But, this guy has made a bigger production out of Ms. Zenaida’s case than any other civil case I can ever remember.

I mean this guy invited the media to depositions and released the transcripts immediately after. Not only is that ridiculous – I have never heard of the media being at a civil deposition. If it had been my client, there would have been no deposition.

My point though, is that Morgan would release any and everything that could hurt Casey Anthony.

And nothing would hurt her more than evidence showing she set up a Zenaida MySpace account the day her daughter was last seen/believed to die.

Not only that, it would be the smoking gun piece of evidence to win his client’s case.

Me:

I will also share with you that I spoke with Morgan & Morgan, and I am very unsure that you are correct that they do not have information on this site. Maybe they operate differently than you suspect. I would not feel confident saying they do not have information against Casey concerning this site. I am still patiently waiting to see.

Hornsby:

Well, I will leave it at that. As for Morgan & Morgan, maybe they do have the information. Only problem is they would have had to issue a subpoena, which requires notice to the account creator under Florida law, and if the account creator was Casey Anthony – chances are she got notice.

And if Casey was not the account creator, Morgan would still have to use a subpoena to obtain the information. And once obtained, they would be required to turn it over to Ms. Anthony’s civil attorney upon request. And her civil attorney seems like the most intelligent attorney out of the whole charade. So I would be surprised if he did not request it.

Okay, and then I’ll add a bit of commentary. I think Mr. Hornsby wrote his blog article based on the same burning question that has plagued many of us who have waited almost a full year to hear something on this myspace – If this myspace was created by Casey why have we not seen it released in discovery? And I think he answered that question for himself based solely on his legal background, and not on full consideration of the factors at play in the investigative side of the matter.

There are three unanswered questions at play: 1. DID law enforcement investigate the myspace? (I believe, but cannot offer proof to you, that they HAVE done so now.), 2. WHEN did law enforcement investigate the myspace? (Either shortly after January – which would mean they found there is NO connection to the Anthony case, OR sometime after the first of September – which would mean they now have the issue resolved one way or the other, but only RECENTLY.), and 3. WHAT did they find? – That would be the big question.

As I stated to Mr. Hornsby last evening, he no more knows the answers to any of those questions than I or anybody else on the outside of the investigation.

I’ll also add this. If one were to go to the Websleuths thread and read the full 79 pages of discussion that have taken place over the past 10 months, one would see that this particular issue has been a rollercoaster ride for all the members involved. As I stated on Websleuths last evening:

I believe all the members who have been involved in this work have been reserved in their language, slow to jump to conclusions, but at the same time shown a great deal of critical thinking that has DISALLOWED the rejection of this being Casey.

We have waited patiently. In September we were informed (briefly) that this site may NOT have been investigated prior to that date. Because of that statement (with us not knowing if that is accurate or not) we have allowed that this myspace may not have been subpoenaed before September of this year.

Which would mean that if there were something to this site, we might only now be seeing it in released discovery.

I do not believe a single person who has been involved in the research into this myspace over there is “married to the theory”. I know I’m not. I’m waiting on the facts of the matter, and am prepared to call it the coincidence of the century if the facts prove it is not Casey. And I will immediately do so the day the facts come out about this myspace and show “no connection”.

And, lastly, I would like to state that I find great value in reading Mr. Hornsby’s take on the legal issues of this case the same way I do reading Mr. Sheaffer’s take or our very own Silver’s take. The more lawyers who share their analysis on the legal issues, the more well-rounded my understanding becomes. So me disagreeing with Mr. Hornsby’s conclusion on this matter in no way should be taken as me not respecting his opinion on legal matters.

Lily Lily Lily – The Lily commenting on this post is not the ‘original’ Lily. I’ve had this same issue at Blink’s a couple of months ago. Val will you ask the ‘new’ Lily to come up with a variation of her name so we don’t get confused? This is what Blink did.

I haven’t commented on this post yet. It gets very confusing.

Lily,

Are you serious? It’s not you? Would you do me a big favor and email me (contact valhall upper right hand side). I need to talk to you about this.

To my knowledge we have not seen Brandon Snows deposition nor Mark Hawkins from California. I was under the opinion the discovery was a fluid issue, and have we seen any discovery from the defense? There is definitely evidence being tested that we have not seen results on yet, so I would assume there is more yet to see. JMO, but I see no reason the website couldnt be one of more pieces of evidence yet to be revealed.

Nevermind – I just realized this post is from October! I must have accidently picked up te decaf instead of the real ting. I swear I will get it together – all of this shopping and working and cooking at the same time – its official. I need some time off.

LMAO! You freaked me out because there was going to be some SEVERE issues if it wasn’t you!

I will make sure if we get a #2 Lily she does not use the same username.

Hornsby just posted on WS that he has spoken with a reporter there locally and they are going to be making a formal records request on anything pertaining to the zenaida myspace.

Excellent Val. You got stuff moving.

Well, the only way I had anything to do with this is if Hornsby’s hell bent on proving his theory right.

LOL

Whatever it takes! lol

I just spoke with my husbands aunt in Florida, she is going to do a request also.
I guess we will see which one comes to light first. I am wanting it to be my Aunt’s
so that I can send it to you Val, and we can hear your thoughts on it and not
Mr.Hornsby! This is just my opinion! Not trying to be rude

Kimberlee,

That’s good news. Alls I want is for SOMEBODY to reveal the facts about the myspace. Doesn’t matter to me if it is Hornsby. I assure you I’ll still have an opinion!

…I’m never short on those.

This may be a stupid question, but what does he mean that he read your comments on the myspace and now thinks that this has nothing to do with Casey. Did he mean the fact that someone signed in this weekend? I don’t understand him at all because no one knew of this zenaida on June 16th…. so how can it be a hoax????

It’s not a stupid question. I don’t know where he concluded some of the things he did. I think he just read too fast and then stopped reading before he needed to in order to learn everything he needed to know.

It’s not like I haven’t done the same thing before in my life, so I’m not going to beat him up too bad for it.

I just hope to see these records soon! I will be so shocked if it is not
connected with Casey!

Valhall

If it hasn’t been released as part of discovery yet, but does exist, will this be made known to the reporter? Or will they simply be told there is nothing?

I’m curious about the same thing as WSH. If it’s still being investigated would it be in the discovery that’s been given to the defense or would that not happen later when the ivestigation is complete?

If the prosecution deems this to be critical to an ongoing investigation and that release of it would jeopardize that investigation, they can refuse the request on those grounds.

Valhall-

If it is not discovery filed by the State, nobody will be entitled to the information that requests it. There is only standing under the Sunshine Law if it is filed and subject to be made public. If the reporter is suggesting they would seek that information directly from myspace, never happen.

I would not be surprised to learn that this information was turned over quickly following the denial of motions as if to say.. Let’s get serious now folks, we have trials coming up and pleas to negotiate- Her is one of our strength positions…

Er go, Camp Casey logs on to review. If not, I think it was started by Casey, and we can look forward to it being used by the defense for some WAG.

B

Yep, I am assuming Hornsby is saying the reporter is filing the request with the state, not myspace.

The only part of it that causes me heartburn in the theory of it possibly being the defense that logged in, is the fact the mood was changed to “loved” and then the goofy little “I love alex” thing.

That seems a bit odd – but then we’re talking about Baez, so maybe not.

Hi Valhall, thanks for all the good work you are doing, this Myspace thing is going to sort itself out one way or the other, either way LE would have to get to the bottom of it ‘in case-y’.

One little note, the mood was first the silly little ‘I love alex’ with no written ‘mood’ but smiley lovey eyed gif (14:50 ) then changed to ‘Mood: loved’ four minutes later (14:54) same date.

Why the fix… time will tell, I’m sure. LE must have the records if they’ve done their job– maybe they, like RH never took this seriously and Dora is the real kidnapper and alex the accomplice!! (just kidding– what we know is that someone created this site on some date, updated it, and riddled it with coinkidinks, and now, the timing is to create more diversion? Maybe. Whatever, I don’t believe this is some little Dora person out there who has never heard of the case, at least not until the other day.

Hmm… jail letter via ‘mule delivery’ cut off, if this IS Baez (not sayin’ then the ‘loved’ and ‘alex’ might be some surrepticious message to bro. Lee Alexander. But then a hoaxter would know this information to use too. A Casey request of someone?

More … hummmmms. Is it correct to assume that no one knew of Zenaida prior to the 16th of June? Didn’t George and Cindy believe that a Zenaida/Zanny was watching Caylee for at least a year prior to June 16th? Who’s to say that Casey didn’t inform Cindy, George (well, maybe not George) or Lee about this space, saying she created it under the guise of Zenaida, hoping to attract friends of Zenaida’s who might help to lead her (Casey) to Caylee? Baez could be watching not only the Space, but the blogs on the subject as well, to know that there’s been an interest. If that were the case, and he knew that Cindy had access to it, might he have suggested she conjur up a little activity, in which she utilized the name ALEX who would be her father, correct?

So what say ye, Kleat? Is it feasible?

Willow

Valhall-

Do you have a screenshot program on this?

Val,

Back when I had a cell phone, I used to call myself now and then from a land line to leave a voice mail just to make sure that it was working correctly – the voice mail. My first cell phone was by AT&T and I used to have problems with the voice mail simply not working according to some of my clients at the time. It is possible that Casey was doing that since she knew that she was going to start relying on voice mail a lot more. Also, I could pick up my voice mail from a land line and maybe Casey could do that as well and was testing that feature just encase she needed to leave her cell some where at some point while she went to a different place.

encase/in case

I really honestly am not sure if this is old news or not but if Cindy does not work for D &A investigations why is her email under the business name. I have had her email for awhile and never really thought about it. Also was it ever made public or even found out who hacked into Cindy’s old yahoo account?

http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx

I tried using this myspace account last week just looking around on it and was informed that the page was locked administratively. I think this may have simply been unlocked by law enforcement again because they have all of the info that they could get out of it.

Blink,

A screenshot program??? Oy…me lost, need rock, crack coconut.

You might have to skool me a bit here, Blink. I’m not sure what you are referring to. I have screencaps of the zenaida myspace, but I’m not sure that’s what you mean.

Willow, I’m better at speculating that doing what the real sleuth’s do– their work amazes me, Valhall and the Valettes, Blink and the Blinkers and all those other unsung but so appreciated ‘non-conspirators’ searching for a way to the truth. You are right about Alex, the grandfather, and I suppose that’s where Lee got his middle name of Alexander, from the matriarch side of the family, as per usual.

Kleat,

From what I know of hackers they like to leave a “calling card” so that they can prove work is theirs to their buddies. Do you think the “i love alex” could be just this?

Lol- Chacka- Think time elapse photography.

[ Blink heads to the room with all the pretty crystals, hopefully no sleestacks.]

B

I was wondering if maybe someone could help me with something. I have known Cindy’s email for awhile and never really gave much thought too it but after looking up some other things I noticed that her email is linked with D&A investigations.. It says on there site that they have been helping with the Caylee Anthony case. Why would she have an email address linked to the business domain?

Cindy@dgator.com
http://dgator.com/default.aspx

Valhall, there’s a thought. Now if this is hacker work, was the 19th their first venture in… they will certainly draw some heavy duty and well-deserved attention! If this is a little mischief, timing could tell that it’s students finished exams and starting break time. But serious concerns for Myspacers, if a site can be so easily manipulated to deceive set up dates and times.

Kimberlee, Cindy’s had that email for ages. She and DC needed to communicate closely, I suppose it was a secure way of ensuring no one would ever see their emails, in theory.

Kleat,

Well, the hacker breaking in on the 19th doesn’t have anything to do with the creation date of the myspace, right? They did not change the creation date. It still reads June 16th.

Is there some kind of fad thing about “i love alex”?

http://www.totallyfreecursors.com/details.cfm/id/4723/I_Love_Alex.htm

http://www.zazzle.com/i_love_alex_t_shirt-235618221757554542

http://www.picgames.com/buddy-icons/icon.php?icon_id=105511009714851

http://www.cafepress.com/+i-love-alex+mens_long_sleeve_tees

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/i_love_alex_heart_custom_personalized_sticker-217922057684031568

Right, Valhall, I was just wondering if the whole creation date could have been manipulated in the first place– just playing devil’s advocate. If not, someone had to know about Dora + Zenaida + Pisces + age + hair colour of Dora and Zenaida and Dora backpack in the woods with the body. (George specified the ‘monkey’s backpack’ in his version of the last time he saw Caylee on the 16th– did someone give him that version of a story to tell, vs making public the Dora backpack to cover the fact of the Dora backpack missing from Caylee’s things?)

Did the ‘hacking’ occur as a distraction this past weekend, as a defense possibility/reminder of a real perp out there? How could this work if the real perp knew about Dora at or just after June 15th midnight if the timeline has been narrowed between then and the early AM hours of the 16th– how could the defense use this? Would the ‘hacking’ try to bring the subject to the fore, so the state shows its hand?

Valhall, this might be a clue!! hint– alex is not alone!!! (PS, warn Blink not to be drinking with or without straw, especially hot or fizzie drinks)

http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop.26953344

not to be unfair, Christmas IS coming soon!!
http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop.25211720

I apologize in advance, there was NOTHING for Todd, so next best thing….
http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop/939970

And an added gift for the criminal defense lawyer who has everything– a bright yellow messenger carrying bag for all those letters from families to their clients who refuse family visits.

http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop.35484463

OH MY GAWD…STOP KLEAT! You are cracking me up. You told me to warn Blink, but I didn’t take it to heart.

LMAO!

I love the licorice one for defense lawyers.

Well, Valhall, that ’splains the ‘alex’ fad, doesn’t it!! Sorry about the lack of specific warning to yourself, Blink just had a bit of a problem earlier so reminded me to warn her.

Sometimes you just hit blind luck in the ‘Christmas shopping’ department, I didn’t check your links, just did a search for ‘I love alex fad’ and voila– shopping done done and done!! (pssst…….these gifts are really for sharing amongst our blogger selves… do you think Linda will be upset that I didn’t post a Trucker hat for her too?)

I still think Casey created the myspace page…jmo

I haven’t seen anything that would substantiate a viral campaign of “i love alex”, or a fad as you said. I wonder if the latest log in could have simply been hackers targeting idle accounts, with no knowledge of the case? At any rate, I kind of doubt the defense’s direct involvement, (perhaps that is my hope). Silver discussed ramifications on Blink # 1012 http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/12/10/cayleecasey-anthony-case-a-gruesome-anniversary-plays-out-in-court/#comments

I am not a facebook or myspace kind of guy. Never have been. I made myself an account on myspace to do some experimenting in light of the things that Val was reporting here. Seems that myspace has options in the setup section of the account which allow one to make it so that dates work on only a few things if one is so inclined.

Not every post of a picture or comment will change the update date if the account flags are set just right.

I have since killed my test account, so I do not have it to pull links from to demonstrate what I am talking about. Just an observation.

Valhall-

Mr. Hornsby’s assumption that the myspace subpoena would come from OCSO is incorrect.

Most especially, if that site, which was identified very early, was being “tracked” or under surveillance, it would have required a Federal subpoena to do so. There were allegations of “sightings” throughout the US, PR and Venezuela.

The Chain of Custody and evidentiary intake procedures differ on a Fed level, or put plainly, between OCSO/FDLE and the FBI as it relates to discovery disclosure.

If this was created by Casey, and remains active as it were, then this information is part of an ongoing investigation, and WOULD NOT be subject to disclosure at this time regardless of whether it was created by her or someone in her camp.

This could also be covered under the State’s right of Investigative subpoena, and again, would not be subject to disclosure to Baez et al.

This defense has a trial scheduled for Jan. 25th on the Fraud charges. A deadline of February 1st to produce the exculpatory evidence cited by Macaluso and has not so much produced a witness list in the murder case as they are obligated to.

As a practical matter, the State is not going to open their Kimono so they can decide who is next to assume the lower bus wheel well position as opposed to defending their client. As a matter of law, of course they will need to reveal everything they have, but as I see it, they are waiting on the defenses’ “BIG REVEAL”.

That said, I know there is a desire to seperate the ZG22traffic issue and the myspace, but for purposes of the overall concept that Casey “is” Zenaida, they are forever fused.

B

Blink,

In addition to that, I’m not real sure OCSO was the one who ultimately subpoena’d the myspace records. It really all depends on whether it was done shortly after my first email end of January, or sometime after the second email at the first of September.

The subpoena may very well have come directly from the Prosecutor’s office.

I do agree with you, Blink, that this very well could be considered part of an ongoing-investigation and critical information that could negatively impact that investigation and therefore not released upon request.

Bugger…I really thought there was something to this. Oh well, if it isn’t it isn’t.

Darnudes said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 02:01:53 }

Bugger…I really thought there was something to this. Oh well, if it isn’t it isn’t.

G’day Darnudes. I’m still liking this as a possibility. It’s just to “hinky”. Think about it. This Zenaida is a 24 yr old *Y-Gen* and has no discernible net “footprint” to chase/investigate??? *ding! ding! ding! That’s “unpossible” as some Y-gens would say lol

I’m a gonna wait to the bitter end on this one…. “bites nails*

Im still not ready to concede that. Why does this person, if real, not have any friends that are not bloggers interested in the case? Why dont they answer questions in their comments and clarify that have nothing to do with the case? Why did they even accept the unknown folks as friends in the first place? Too many questions.

I understand, Danna. It’s the coincidence of the millenium. But I really can’t come up with a logical reason why it would be accessed this second time if it was created by Casey. I’ll explain why.

If it were one of the Anthonys they would have to know (because they would have either learned of the myspace via the defense team OR from them reading blogs – which we all know they do, but Cindy and George swear they don’t) that by now law enforcement possesses all the information on the myspace they need. So what would be the point of accessing to do no more than throw off bloggers? Because if it was created by Casey it’s going to be revealed in the trial whether they muck with it now or not, right?

On the December 19th access last month I was willing to believe it might be a hacker who just wanted to show everybody they gained access to the account. But there is no real reason for a hacker (who is doing something illegal in the first place) to log back in a second time.

So with this second log in within a month’s period, it starts making little sense it is anyone but the real “zenaida” account holder.

Please forgive me if this has already been addressed….my tech skills are so 1980s…..BUT, wouldn’t it be possible to trace the source of the recent logins? If so, it’s a case closed on the issue. Not that LE is going to necessarily share the info with us, but whether or not it’s Casey, her defense team, or a REAL Zenaida, it’s got to be a relatively simple process to discover, right? And, if it is, and LE knows the truth, it will be a part of the trial for sure.

I still wouldn’t put it past the defense team to get somebody to log in, just to stir things up. If they paid somebody or got somebody not known to be associated with the defense team, it might never really be discovered. I just think it’s a heckuva coinkidink, ya know? But, stranger things have happened.

Agreed, Curiousmom. And another reason I conclude this was not created by Casey. Irrespective of the reason we could come up with for someone (Anthonys, defense team, hacker, etc.) accessing this account if they were NOT the account holder, they are messing with a myspace that has become part of a murder investigation. And it has become part of the investigation even if it was found to not be created by Casey. So I just can’t logically come up with a reason that a third party would want to get themselves into a very sticky situation with law enforcement just to jack around with a few bloggers. Because law enforcement already know whether this belonged to Casey or not.

I just don’t think, logically, that we can conclude anything but – it wasn’t created by Casey.

How come the original profile numbers and stuff now point to someone else? They give someone named kessler or something like that?

No, they don’t. The link given in this update is to the zenaida myspace. The link further down in the original update was to a guy named Kessler….not the zenaida myspace.

Oh – okay. So the original was a mistake and the update is right? Got it, I think….
:!:

William,

If you would actually read that article you will see that it is not an error.

lol

I did read it once upon a time, but… I slep since then.

I will read it again.

oops. Okay, so it is me being numb-headed and not either of the things that I originally said. Teach me to not go back and refresh my memory when I am about to comment!!!

Sorry.

I suspect that this person got tired of all of the comments directed at the two name combination and so changed her last name to a maiden name or something to stop it. Not sure why she did not simply answer the inquiries with a simple – not Casey, Not her Zenaida – comment.

If this is so, then I doubt that LE has any interest in her now – they will undoubtedly have run her to ground long before now, or the account would not be active again. I am pretty sure that it sat idle and locked for all of that time because they were looking into it. I am equally pretty sure that they would not have seen it as very funny if it was a fraudulent account to interfere with the investigation or else the person would now be in jail and it would be common knowledge that this had occurred. Using Occam’s razor – I deduce that the person is not related to the case at all.

8)

Too bad!!! It was a mystery!!!

It is not illegal to log onto a MySpace account (no law against it).
A user may provide his/her password to a 3rd party and permit that party to log on.

Recent activity is not NECESSARILY relevant to the investigation, if the investigation has already revealed the IP address from which the account was CREATED.

So…
Some 3rd party who had permission to log on is not really engaging in actions which are tantamount to interfering with an investigation, unless that 3rd party attempts to USE the recent activity as EVIDENCE AT TRIAL to attempt to MISLEAD the court/the jury… and that would be as stupid and brazen as stupid and brazen gets.

(Stupid and brazen does appear to be the hallmark of at least a few of the key players here, but let’s not get into the disgusting details regarding the many attempts to impede the investigation into Caylee’s death/prosecution of the person who gave birth to her/ never took it upon herself to work ANYWHERE so that she could pay for even a SINGLE DIAPER out of her OWN pocket in almost 3 YEARS).

Yes– I suppose there could be a REAL Zenaida– who is in her early 20s– who put a DORA doll on her page– who hails from MIAMI (of ALL places on the globe)– who has no friends.. or photos to share..

But that is HIGHLY unlikely.

The recent activity could also easily be a hacker who is having fun at the expense of the blogs, who has no intent to impede the investigation whatsoever, and is simply having a laugh at the expense of those who blog about the case.

Short and sweet:

The relevant evidence–if there is any here–is WHO created the account, and what can REASONABLY BE INFERRED from that fact, IF, indeed, it is a FACT which is relevant to the CASE.

I don’t get why this “real” Zenaida wouldn’t say, ” I don’t know what you are talking about”, or I don’t know Casey Anthony”, or “I am not involved in this case” in response to what others have posted in the comment section. It’s just weird. And why not post a photo of herself, but rather Dora? I guess it could be a developmentally delayed/disabled person. Who else, without children, at that age would think that Dora is cool? I mean there are any number of pieces of art that someone in their 20’s might use, if they didn’t like how they looked in a photo.

Sorry, some of my comments are redundant when I look at other posters notes that I realize now are above.

Could it at be possible that the investigation team accessed the account and change the name. The reason; to keep the account open for evidence in an ongoing investigation that has not gone to trial yet. I do not know about these sites but I would imagine that an account that hasn’t been used in a prescribed amount of time is automatically taken down. I would think that keeping this one open would be instrumental to the case, especially if they already know who created it in the first place.
One can hope.

Why don’t you run searches for a “Zenaida Debesa”, and see what you find.

I made a post on the Myspace page and have sent a couple messages to that Myspace. I have heard NOTHING at all from he/her/them.

Silverspnr, So far I have run searches on ussearch,zabasearch,intelius,netdetective…..ZERO “Zenaida Debesa” FOUND

silverspnr:

Actually, there is a law against it and it IS illegal to use a myspace profile in this way. You cannot use it to defraud or post false or misleading materials. That means that any such person would be exceeding the authorized uses of myspace which means that they have committed a felony computer theft of services.

Also, hacking into an account is ALWAYS a felony. Under the new laws on computer crimes. Does not matter if you do good once you get in or bad. The act itself is a felony unless you are part of a tiger team who is testing security or have been asked by the owner to attempt to break in to the account like in the Las Vegas security conferences.

I still think this is too much of coincidence for this page not to be Casey’s creation. The defense would have screaming from the roof tops along with the Anthony’s as to why this Zenaida wasn’t investigated since she is in the age range of the alleged nanny and I also think they would have been screaming from the rooftops as to why the one with the traffic violation wasn’t investigated.

http://www.peoplelookup.com/search-summary-out.php?qf=Zenaida+&qmi=&qn=Debesa&qs=&x=50&y=13&ReportType=1&trackit=74&focusfirst=1

Expanded Search Results

* We searched Zenaida Debesa and found 0 records nationwide
* We searched Zen* Debesa and found 0 records nationwide
* We searched Z* Debesa and found 0 records nationwide
* We searched Debesa and found 127 records nationwide

None of the 127 Debesa names are linked with a Zenaida.

I think someone is playing more games Zenaida De besa means Zenaida the kiss or the kiss of Zenaida in Spanglish Besa =kiss

beso = kiss , besa = it kisses, de = of, debesa = NADA (means nothing)

William-

I thought I was clear, but allow me to add:

PERMISSIVE use of an account is NOT a criminal violation. (I suggested that it COULD be a violation of OTHER LAWS, if the alteration of the account was intended to create FALSE/MISLEADING evidence in this instance).

Yes- there are “anti-hacking”/”cybercrime” laws, which, btw, VARY by State, and it is incorrect that a breach is ALWAYS a felony, though I believe it is in Florida.

Show me a single case in Florida where any such criminal statute has been used to prosecute someone who makes a slight change to a MySpace account –and certainly without INTENT to impede a criminal investigation, but rather, as I POSITED, in order to simply taunt a group of bloggers.

Assuming arguendo that Casey did, in fact, create a “fake” Zenaida MySpace account–and some hacker did just that– altered it to mess with people who are paying attention to the account due to the murder case, and the implications of the creation of such a fake account on the last day that Caylee Marie Anthony was seen alive by anyone other than Casey Anthony, well then.. I can imagine that a deal would be made for said hacker’s testimony.

In any event-
Where is this new version of “Zenaida”??
I could not locate “her” in ANY database (which is why I followed up with the post to go search for “her” after my original post on this thread).

If “she” is an individual other than Casey Anthony, “she” certainly needs to be investigated PRONTO.

Mrs. C Hop,

beso = kiss , besa = it kisses, de = of, debesa = NADA (means nothing)

Nice to know my high school spanish is useful somewhere.

It is common in spanish to have sir names that mean something like, Rosa, or Flaco, or Verdes. Which means that it is entirely plausible that Debesa is this person’s real last name… However, I find it even more common that people who THINK they know spanish, ( like myself LOL ) mess up often when they think they are being clever, if this person was trying to be clever, they may have failed when trying for -the kiss of Zenaida_ just my 2 cents.

Thanks for your input Mrs. C Hop. Much appreciated.

Silverspnr, you wrote in part:
Where is this new version of “Zenaida”??
I could not locate “her” in ANY database (which is why I followed up with the post to go search for “her” after my original post on this thread).
If “she” is an individual other than Casey Anthony, “she” certainly needs to be investigated PRONTO.-

I agree.

I do not think such a search is a reliable way of making this determination. I can come up with several possibilities that circumvent this logic just off of the top of my head. If I really apply myself – who knows how many I might come up….

Silverspnr:

I was not going by the Florida law – I meant Federal Law. Even under Florida law it could be prosecuted though. I do not have the time to search legal cases to find a similar past prosecution, and it is not central to my point anyway. I am positive that such activity would be illegal and that is what I was challenging from your statement, as I recall. Maybe I am mistaken and you did not claim that it was not illegal? I have been mistaken before and will be again. 8)

As for the database search, I do not believe that such a search is going to produce exhaustive results.Lots of people live off of the grid, so to speak. Also, someone could come from a family name a few generations ago, outside of the US, where the name was THEN a maiden name or even a name later changed inside the other country for some other reason and then that family had some part of it move to the US. The permutations of possible facts to account for a failure to find someone in any given database are legion, IMHO.

Even LE finds it possible to miss finding people all of the time using both public and LE specific databases.

The other reason why it is a crime to post untrue and/or misleading information on myspace is because MYSPACE authorized use says it is, the point being that use outside of the authorized uses can be prosecuted as a felony theft of computer resources and services in Florida and in just about any other state. Additionally, myspace clearly states that the use of myspace is reserved for MEMBERS. Once more, making it so that a fake profile is eligible to be prosecuted since the fake person would be the member, not the one entering the data.

There are also other reasons in FEDERAL law which make this a crime and eligible to be prosecuted as such. Therefore, illegal.

Additionally, it is likely that any such thing would have been published in this case by now. Most everything else has been….

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.terms

1. Eligibility. Use of the MySpace Services and registration to be a Member for the MySpace Services (“Membership”) is void where prohibited. By using the MySpace Services, you represent and warrant that (a) all registration information you submit is truthful and accurate; (b) you will maintain the accuracy of such information; (c) you are 13 years of age or older; and (d) your use of the MySpace Services does not violate any Applicable Law. Your profile may be deleted and your Membership may be terminated without warning, if we believe that you are under 13 years of age, if we believe that you are under 18 years of age and you represent yourself as 18 or older, or if we believe you are over 18 and represent yourself as under 18.

Val… DId you see this? It talks about a Myspace page as well… This person has been posting at Cayleedaily for a loooong time. Just got me curious

http://thewholetruthalways.blogspot.com/2010/01/back-in-october-of-2008-i-discovered.html

How likely is someone who “lives off the grid” to have a myspace page? Myspace is used by the 18-20 something range…(I am 25 and me and most all my friends have “graduated” to facebook) If you have no “friends” why have a myspace? It makes no sense and I bet you all this comes back to team Casey. Casey was very active on myspace and almost every other social networking site.

Also I know of plenty of people who have “misused” the myspace as you are suggesting William..don’t know of any who have been prosecuted though…

Only case i have ever heard of re improper use of myspace is the Lori Drew – suicide case where all felony charges were rejected.

William ~ The sunshine laws don’t allow us to necessarily see everything they have on Casey.
The vast majority of damning evidence against Casey would still be kept secret under another broad-sweeping exception adopted by the Florida Supreme Court, which provides that evidence in criminal cases can be withheld from the public “to protect the defendant’s Constitutional right to a fair trial.” In short, almost every piece of evidence that proves Casey’s guilt need not be shared with the public prior to trial.
Here is the link that provides more info:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-21/the-evidence-yoursquore-not-allowed-to-see/2/

William,

In this argument (that you’re having with a lawyer, by the way), you’ve lost me as to what point you’re trying to make.

I don’t think any of us care that it’s against myspace’s policy that some one else is using some one else’s account (with permission – as is Silverspn’s argument). And I don’t think it’s illegal either – even if the person decides to use the page to get giggles from jacking around bloggers.

As Silver stated – the only legal issue would be if they were doing this to intentionally cause grief in a criminal investigation. Then it might get real interesting.

» Kimberlee said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 02:01:43 }Val… DId you see this? It talks about a Myspace page as well… This person has been posting at Cayleedaily for a loooong time. Just got me curious

Kimberlee

Would you please paraphrase the story there ( on the link you provided), all that pink and black together set my retinas on fire? lol.

Off of the grid can be due to many things – homelessness comes to mind. Lots of people find themselves in that situation in the age range that you mention. There might be other reasons to have a myspace without having a bunch of friends posting on it. How about as a temporary place to store pictures for example? You can set all pictures to private so no one else can get to them unless you make them a friend or whatever.

I do not know if anyone has been prosecuted or not, you can have plea deals on charges such as this which would not necessarily make the paper. The only reason the one you mention did is because of the consequences to the little girl. Besides, I thought that I remembered her ending up with jail time after everything was said and done? Maybe not….

I have stated before that I am not a facebook or myspace kind of guy – they were still using card decks for input when I first got into computers.

Having someone prosecuted or not is not central to the question of illegality. Many things which are illegal are seldom prosecuted – that does not change them from being illegal.

I have now spent far more time on this than I wanted to and this is my last post on the topic. We can all simply agree to disagree.

In conjunction with a hindering prosecution charge, this would not, imo, be one of those times when no prosecution would be forthcoming.

Has anyone searched facebook as opposed to myspace? There are 140 zg’s. One in orlando.

Val,

No more comments on it – it is not that important to me. I knew he/she was a lawyer. I saw it mentioned before somewhere on here.

Doesn’t mean that this is not true. As for the things you have just posted. Makes all the difference in the world if myspace does not authorize that use of their system since that is then theft.

Go to the Cayleedaily.com and look at the posts from Justice4Caylee and then on a blog that there is link too on this blog.. the cma blog I believe it is. There is some huge mess going on….. I am just curious who this woman really is. She is claiming that she is the reason that Cindy started saying the puerto rico story and something about a myspace page… There is a link of The caylee daily from her.. the same link I posted

http://thewholetruthalways.blogspot.com/2010/01/back-in-october-of-2008-i-discovered.html

Had I not seen it mentioned, I still would have known. The “Assuming arguendo” phrase is a clue I would not miss.

Wow Kimberlee, this is absolutely bizarre! Nice find!

Well, let me open your eyes to how much myspace gives a care.

A few months back I received a movie in the mail (a disturbing movie) ordered against my own Amazon.com account and sent to me. Some one had illegally accessed my account and intentionally sent me a psychological horror movie to (I assume) scare me.

It took 2 phone calls and 5 emails to get Amazon.com to even look at the situation. They came back, finally (with me now telling them seven times that I was concerned for my safety and needed to get the IP from which my account was accessed) and after looking into it sent me an email that said:

Your account has been illegal accessed. We have closed your account due to this unauthorized use.

So I email them back again and I said – yeah, no kidding, I know that. I need the IP address so that I can go to law enforcement in case this means I’m being threatened.

Their response was – aint gonna happen. They refused to give me the IP address from which my own account had been illegally accessed. They said only if I could get law enforcement to subpoena that information would they turn it over.

Guess what – a podunk law enforcement doesn’t care of Amazon doesn’t care, and there was no theft because the movie was sent to me and I didn’t return it (for good reason) for refund.

Just saying – don’t count on a smackdown from myspace on an issue like this.

Points taken. From you and silverspn and Mrs. C Hop.

Yeah, but I’m not through ranting because I’m still pissed off at Amazon. Here is the actual email (with certain ID stuff removed) they sent me. It’s unbelievable!!!

Greetings from Amazon.com.

Thank you for keeping in touch with us regarding this matter.

Although we are not permitted to provide you with any additional details regarding this unauthorized activity, we will provide this
information to any law enforcement agency investigating the matter, as well as to any applicable financial institution.

Please remember, as mentioned in our previous message, you will need to open a new Amazon.com account should you decide to place future
orders with us. For increased password and account protection, we strongly encourage you to adhere to the safety tips provided in our
prior correspondence.

Feel free to contact us with any additional questions or concerns, and thank you for shopping at Amazon.com.

Sincerely,

Brandi Hayes
Account Specialist
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com

OH THANK YOU AMAZON…I FEEL BETTER! 8O

William-

FYI, here is the law in Florida:

815.06 Offenses against computer users.–

(1) Whoever willfully, knowingly, and without authorization: (<–see the "WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION" part? That is what I was referring to when discussing the possibility that someone in Casey's family/camp is the one who may have altered the account)

(a) Accesses or causes to be accessed any computer, computer system, or computer network;

(b) Disrupts or denies or causes the denial of computer system services to an authorized user of such computer system services, which, in whole or part, is owned by, under contract to, or operated for, on behalf of, or in conjunction with another;

(c) Destroys, takes, injures, or damages equipment or supplies used or intended to be used in a computer, computer system, or computer network;

(d) Destroys, injures, or damages any computer, computer system, or computer network; or

(e) Introduces any computer contaminant into any computer, computer system, or computer network,

commits an offense against computer users.

(2)(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c), whoever violates subsection (1) commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b) Whoever violates subsection (1) and:

1. Damages a computer, computer equipment, computer supplies, a computer system, or a computer network, and the monetary damage or loss incurred as a result of the violation is $5,000 or greater;

2. Commits the offense for the purpose of devising or executing any scheme or artifice to defraud or obtain property; or

3. Interrupts or impairs a governmental operation or public communication, transportation, or supply of water, gas, or other public service,

commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c) Whoever violates subsection (1) and the violation endangers human life commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) Whoever willfully, knowingly, and without authorization modifies equipment or supplies used or intended to be used in a computer, computer system, or computer network commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(4)(a) In addition to any other civil remedy available, the owner or lessee of the computer, computer system, computer network, computer program, computer equipment, computer supplies, or computer data may bring a civil action against any person convicted under this section for compensatory damages.

(b) In any action brought under this subsection, the court may award reasonable attorney's fees to the prevailing party.

(5) Any computer, computer system, computer network, computer software, or computer data owned by a defendant which is used during the commission of any violation of this section or any computer owned by the defendant which is used as a repository for the storage of software or data obtained in violation of this section is subject to forfeiture as provided under ss. 932.701-932.704.

(6) This section does not apply to any person who accesses his or her employer's computer system, computer network, computer program, or computer data when acting within the scope of his or her lawful employment.

(7) For purposes of bringing a civil or criminal action under this section, a person who causes, by any means, the access to a computer, computer system, or computer network in one jurisdiction from another jurisdiction is deemed to have personally accessed the computer, computer system, or computer network in both jurisdictions.

History.–s. 1, ch. 78-92; s. 11, ch. 2001-54.

*****
Yes- There are NUMEROUS Federal laws which deal with "cyber crimes". (Too numerous, in fact, to post here). Suffice it to say that the ones which address unlawful ONLINE conduct are mainly concerned with serious violations, including:

Denial of Service Attacks;
Substitution of Redirection of a Website, resulting in damage;
Use of Misleading Domain Name with INTENT to Deceive a Person into Viewing Obscene Material or with INTENT to cause a Minor to View Harmful Material;
Extortion (many forms);
Internet Fraud (or "phishing" (again, many forms, including, e.g. identity theft, money laundering, unfair/deceptive trade practices, false advertising, and the like);
Credit Card Fraud;
Child Pornography;
Obscenity;
Sale of Prescription Drugs and Controlled Substances (False or deceptive practices, false advertising, smuggling goods into the US, etc);
Sale of Fire Arms;
Sale of Tobacco;
Gambling;
Securities Fraud;
Piracy and Intellectual Property Theft;
Trade Secrets/Economic Espionage;
Electronic Harassment (of the person who receives the communication);
Cyberstalking;
Espionage.

My point is that even if a hacker altered the account, if he/she did so without the INTENT to do anything other than cause a stir on the blogs, the likelihood of that person facing prosecution is limited.

*****
Finally-

YES. There COULD BE a Zenaida who CREATED this account — who is approximately one year older than Casey –who is ALSO the same Zodiac Sign– who hails from MIAMI (a city which Casey has linked to the non-existent ZFG)– who has a thing for DORA ( whom Caylee apparently adored…or who has a child who adores DORA.. or who is a freaking NANNY for a child who adores DORA)– and who has NO FRIENDS, or COMMENTS TO MAKE, or PHOTOS TO POST, etc– and who just happened to create what is fairly described as a CREEPY MySpace account on the last day that Caylee Marie Anthony was seen ALIVE by anyone other than her mother (who claims to have handed Caylee off to a ZENAIDA that very day), Jo-Jo, and MAYBE that computer store guy—, and this other Zenaida just happens to NOT SHOW UP elsewhere–at all.

If this person DOES exist, then LE and the SAO cannot just WRITE "HER" OFF. Investigate they MUST, because there are far too many doors which "her" existence–if REAL–could open.

Yep, they were ever so helpful….

Jo:

Yep, I have seen that before. I have also read all of the statutes underlying the sunshine constitutional amendments and the disclosure laws in Florida as well as their congressional minutes. Interesting stuff.

I know that there are many things which they could withhold and probably are withholding.

Val,

me send-em rock, you smash-em coconut

Val

It’s unbelievable that they didn’t report this to police. Can’t you do that?

CW…

lol you have NO IDEA.

I was like one phone call and 3 emails into this and having to repeat the story EVERY time when all of a sudden I get this email…this is rich:

Hello from the Charge-Inquiries Department.

We have investigated the charge of $16.97 to your credit card. We found this charge listed under your Amazon.com account. The charge is related to order (#XXXX) for Donnie Darko – The Director’s Cut (Two-Disc Special Edition).

I do apologize that this was not conveyed to you when you called our Customer Service Department.

You can view your account, check your order status, and cancel or modify unshipped orders quickly and conveniently at any time by clicking the “Your Account” link at the top of our web site, or by visiting this URL:

http://www.amazon.com/your-account

You will also find the answers to most of your account questions at:

http://www.amazon.com/help/your-account

Again, thank you for contacting us at Amazon.com.

Best regards,

James R.
Amazon.com Charge Inquiries

LMAO…I had only been telling THEM THAT for 2 or 3 weeks at that point. It’s like no shit Sherlock, thanks a whole heapin’ helpin’ there good buddy.

It was unbelievable. And then to be told some one did this to me, it’s my account – I’m supposed to own that account, but I can’t have the IP address of some one who violated my own account.

Richness with flavah.

WSH…I did!

They chose not to subpoena the information because they were unclear what crime they would be investing the time in and money in to investigate.

I said, “If something happens to me, I’ll have my husband or my son come down and explain which crime it was you needed to look into.”

» Kimberlee said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 02:01:52 }

Interesting! Now who wants to bet if this 24yr old PR nanny’s last name is Debesa?? LOL

Maybe you can tell the FCC? File a complaint there…at least it would be on record somewhere?

Amazon….what a bunch of yutzez (is that the plural of yutz?)

herp dee derp IT department, what r IP address this lady r talkin’ ’bout, did she order a new one?

Donny Darko? for srsly? way cool movie with the emo crowd…/wrist QQ n00b

So sorry to hear that this can happen to you of all people.

I know that is what I was wondering as well… too weird that she would choose today to start saying all this

AGREED.

Something def hinky about the myspace fo sure

Val…i can’t believe you are subscribing to the coinky dink theory..i thought hinky business was your business..

Why? is something hinky happening?

I’m lost!

Read that link I sent.It’s weird THey are talking about a myspace from a zenaida in PR and I don’t know if any of it is true,,, but it is being talked about in length at the Cayleedaily and the Cma blog

just sayin – I don’t think we can conclude that it was Not set up by Casey because of only the 2 recent login’s

I am def NOT buying there is some off the map/homeless 24 yr old chick named zenaida debesa who all of a sudden decided to change her myspace name to her Actual name – And even if we go with some off the wall theory that this was soley used for some private picture storing…where are the pictures?! Dora? really? Nahhhh….

http://thewholetruthalways.blogspot.com/2010/01/back-in-october-of-2008-i-discovered.html – not sayin there is any connection to this lady but who knows stranger things have happened in this case.

Val-
Sorry to hear your experience.
I can pretty much bet that if you went to LE, you’d likely be equally as frustrated/appalled.
People who have had their entire identities stolen have found out the hard way that simply because we have laws on the books does not mean that they get enforced.

I understand that your experience was frightening.
Not to suggest you become paranoid, but it never hurts to be extra alert/aware when entering/exiting your home if you happen to be alone.

William-

Sorry. Not intending to fight here!

I enjoy this site too much, and I respect that we may have different opinions at times.

I think we all agree that the creation of that MySpace on 6/16/08 COULD be relevant to the investigation into the death of Caylee, whether it was created by Casey Anthony– or another person (who may–or may not– actually be named “Zenaida”.

We just don’t know, because we don’t have the authority to investigate it in the same manner in which LE/the SAO can investigate it.

They should look into this, regardless.

IF it WAS Casey who CREATED the account– they need to get on the ball and find out who has ALTERED it, and for what purpose.

I was merely pointing out that a hacker (and let me add–especially a kid– or a sicko on some level), altering the account for the “fun” of it… to have a laugh at folks who are spending a good chunk of their time, hoping for justice in this case, I can imagine that the threat of a prosecution would not stop him/her, a) because in comparison to the myriad of cyber crimes with which someone could be charged, this is a minor offense, if the intent was merely to have a laugh at the true-crime blogging community, and b) because it would be NOVEL to have the State or Federal Government actually prosecute such a case.

Now-
Does the State need this evidence to prove premeditation (which it could be used for IF she created it)? No.

They are clear that the duct tape over the mouth and nose plus some form of restraint (chemical or physical) is evidence of planning, intent, and how “heinous, atrocious and cruel” the cold-blooded KILLING of this baby girl truly was. (You don’t use strong duct tape to cover a child’s nose and mouth and restrain her from pulling the tape off–unless you INTEND to kill her or cause her great and grave bodily harm, is their point. To cover themselves, they have alternatively charged her with Aggravated Manslaughter, in case the jury believes she, by “CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE”, ended up bringing about Caylee’s death by covering her mouth and nose with the strong duct tape in order to PUNISH or QUIET her, for example.)

But if there IS a connection between Casey and that MySpace page, it IS a CHILLING piece of evidence against her.

I copied the page in to a editor before I could read it – what a bad set of colors.

It is an interesting story.

“Back in October of 2008, I discovered a Lady In Puerto Rico, ….”

kinda like

Once upon a time there were these three bears….

William

Do you have a link to the Zenaida in PR, or can you cut & paste that site. I agree, that pink & black and all made my head hurt.

Kimberlee, could you post a link to CayleeDaily blog – that site has changed since I went there last year and I couldn’t find a blog on there! Specifically a link to the discussion you are referring to– also CMA blog? thanks.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/

http://thenewdaymare.blogspot.com/

Back in October of 2008, I discovered a Lady In Puerto Rico, who had a child, a little girl, who was (what appeared to me to be caucasian), who appeared to look like Caylee. This lady also had a name very similar to that of “the nanny”. So, when I found this, I contacted Cindy Anthony. I left her a message and she called me back later that evening. She asked me how old this lady was, and I told her 24. Cindy just about dropped the phone. She says, “Oh that is wonderful sweety, thats how old Casey says this Zenaida is”. This was before the description of Zenaida was released to the public. So, in November of 2008, (a couple of days before Thanksgiving), I had discovered this Zenaida had another myspace page set to private and I also informed Cindy about this as well. Now, in July of 2009, a friend of mine (who shall remain anonymous) and I got curious about this “Zenaida” and we sent her a friend request to her private myspace. She began talking to us via Instant Messenger and informed us that she was in fact a nanny at a daycare in Puerto Rico. Now, at no time during my conversations with this woman did I even think she was responsible for the death of little Caylee. I did however think that this woman, did in fact, some how know Casey. She had family in Jacksonville, New York, and Miami, and her best friend lived in Orlando. And it would just go to show that Casey was again pointing the finger at someone else(who was innocent). I just found this all so bizarre. So I decided to call up Cindy and inform her of this. Because I didn’t want to end up in a doc dump with the police. I figured this would be a one time thing, and she could do whatever she wanted to with it. So, Cindy calls me immediately back. I tell her these things, and then come the words I never wanted to hear, “Can you do me a favor… Next time you talk to her can you…” Now, I was caught in the middle. I never expected Cindy to put me on the spot like this. But I did as she asked me, for a whole month this continued. It was like a nightmare that I am still living to this very day.

Posted by Melisearne at 9:33 AM

1 comments:
Anonymous said…
Are you talking about Bekki Sowerby, isn’t she one of the people who claim to be close to the Anthonys????

oops – Val want to delete mine? I see that Kimberley beat me to the punch

I mean Kimberlee

Kimberlee said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 04:01:58 }

Thank you for copying the post. This person claims to have found found the PR MySpace page in October 2008 and passed it on to Cindy “before the description of Zenaida was released to the public.”

The problem with that claim (no description of ZFG had been released to the public prior to October 2008) is that it’s false. Pretty much everything we know about ZFG was released to the public in the first set of discovery on August 24, 2008. All of the following was released on that date:

Casey’s description of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez in her four-page OCSO statement on July 16, 2008, time-stamped 1:05am (discovery page 29):

“Caylee’s nanny Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez has watched her for the past year and a half, to two years. Zenaida is twenty-five years old, and is from New York. She is roughly 5 foot 7 inches tall, 140 pounds. She has dark brown, curly hair, and brown eyes. Zenaida’s birthday is in September. I met Zenaida, through a mutual friend, Jeffery Michael Hopkins. She had watched his son, Zachary Hopkins, for about 6 months, to a year. I met Zenaida in 2004, around Christmas.”

***

Additional information about ZFG (New York, Miami, and Puerto Rican connections) given by Casey in her 4:11am OCSO interview with Detective Yuri Melich (discovery page 82):

Q Okay. You said Zenaida had family up in New England up New York or something?

A Yes, she has family down south. Her mother, her sister um, her brother’s in New York. She’s originally from New York.

Q And where’s down South?

A Um, Miami area.

Q Where is she originally from?

A New York.

Q Ah, she born, raised in New York? She got family outside of the country or…

A I don’t know. As far as I know she pretty much grew up there, moved down here went to University of Florida.

Q She Puerto Rican, is she Dominican is she white?

A She’s mixed. She’s black and Puerto Rican.

***

More information about ZFG and her family given by Casey to George and Cindy during their July 25, 2008 jail visit, transmitted to Yuri Melich via email from Lee Anthony on July 26 (email is on discovery page 388):

:Zenaida (Zanny) Fernandez-Gonzalez
26 years old
5’6”-5’7”
140 pounds
Brown hair and eyes (naturally curly hair but wears it straight)
No tattoos visible from two-piece bathing suit
Drives a 2008 silver Ford Focus (sold to her by step-father Victor Fernandez)
Zanny’s car seat is pink with a floral design
Zanny’s biological mother’s name is Gloria Gonzalez, 55 years old
Zanny has a sister named Samantha who is 1-2 years older than Zanny
Zanny’s roommates until a few months ago were Raquel Farrell (hostess at TGIF) and Jennifer Rosa (worked at ABC Distribution Catalog in Orlando, headquarters in Miami)”

*********************************

Everyone reading the discovery knew ZFG was allegedly part Puerto Rican, and within days of Casey’s arrest, Cindy was questioning the PR trip taken by JP, Ricardo, Troy, and Amy (which was also revealed in that first set of released discovery).

Given that Casey couldn’t decide whether ZFG was 25 or 26, I suppose we can’t fault Cindy for believing she was 24!

This person claims to have found found the PR MySpace page in October 2008 and passed it on to Cindy “before the description of Zenaida was released to the public.”

Maura
Why would anyone say that at all? Doesn’t it make them sound involved , if you believe the Zanny story?

Lets see how many words, you can make from the word…”DEBESA”…right away see sadbee…I am also DEBI…DEBE…as…debe…or as bede…

Because someone intered into this site again, does not mean that it did not belong to Casey! I find it strange that will this has been on the net alot lately that now someone has used the site.IMO

or also for me…Zeniada…spells ..AN EZ AID.

Silverspnr said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 04:01:51 }

I think we all agree that the creation of that MySpace on 6/16/08 COULD be relevant to the investigation into the death of Caylee, whether it was created by Casey Anthony– or another person (who may–or may not– actually be named “Zenaida”).

We just don’t know, because we don’t have the authority to investigate it in the same manner in which LE/the SAO can investigate it.

They should look into this, regardless.

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I agree. The site and the activity should be investigated by LE. It would not be very hard to find out if it was Casey who created the site since she is not some super slick hacker b*tch who used three thousand different servers between herself and myspace dot com.

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IF it WAS Casey who CREATED the account– they need to get on the ball and find out who has ALTERED it, and for what purpose.

But if there IS a connection between Casey and that MySpace page, it IS a CHILLING piece of evidence against her.

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I agree again. It is not needed, but it does put the cherry on top.

I never thought you wanted to fight and neither do I.

Hmmm – the bloody comment box took out all of my nice little snips inside of less than and greater than marks. I guess it does that to keep someone from inserting htpl.

Well, I never…. 8O

htpl/html

I should stick to looking when I type – it has been to long for me to touch type successfully

Fixed it. To quote use these tags…

< blockquote > and < /blockquote >

William,

Silver had a pretty lengthy comment upstream that for some reason got held up in spam all day, so I’m just letting you know it’s up there now and you may have missed it.

Yep, missed it.

Got it now.

Changes nothing – we agree that there are laws available to fashion remedies from IF THEY WANT TO for anyone who may have altered the account and was not the person of Zenaida. I think that they would prosecute same, silver thinks they would not prosecute same.

Never the tween shall meet.

We have seen other strange coinkydinks in this case and this may or may not be another one.

So Zeniada had a brother and a sister, went to Un of Florida….shoot, I would think that the UOF could just scan her first name for the age of a Zeniada for the last 10 years and see how many they came up, and how many were from NEW YORK…or from the Miami area…this is not a real common name.IMO

Valhal, thanks for the delete on my second post…sorry…next time can you correct the spelling?

If Casey created the account, I could see where she just gave someone her password and they have logged on to make it look like someone is using the account. After all that account was the subject of much discussion on this blog as well as others. It could be damage control. It looks like most of the posters were people looking for info on the Caylee case.

It could be that she did, but anyone who did it would have to be an idiot! Since they would be painting a target on their backs for LE to shoot at.

Here is a great article link to why mothers, Casey, kill their children…8/08

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/criminal-profil.html

I can see that if this account was made by Casey that it might go far with showing premeditation, but I just don’t feel that she made it. I would think that if Casey went this deep into covering her tracks before killing Caylee by creating someone named Zenaida to blame Caylee’s kidnapping on…that she would also have devised a plan to get rid of Caylee’s body. I don’t think she would have backed into the garage, borrowed a shovel, kept the body in the trunk, dumped her body close to home…it just doesn’t seem like there was any premeditation to it.
Casey kept all her lies pretty straight and consistent enough to become such a routine that everyone believed them without question. To me, this is calculating enough that if killing Caylee was premeditated, she would have had the rest of the details (what to put body in, where to dump her body) already planned out too. I think the killing of Caylee was a moment of anger, hatred, revenge or whatever, and then panic of how to hide what she did. In my humble opinion.

Jsue,

I think you and I view this very differently. IF this was Casey, and once LE investigated found it easily verified that it was from the Anthony home, I think this is as stupid as stupid can get. It’s far more stupid than dropping the body close to the home, in my opinion. IF this was Casey, I don’t view it as “scary smart”…I view it as really friggin’ stupid.

I had the same thought re Debesa meaning ‘of kisses’, but I will concede to someone who knows….my spanish sux.

Just out of curiousity I did look on FB for Zenaida Debesa, any location….search found none.

I just don’t see how it can be concluded she didn’t create that myspage account

although i’m doubtful that she did for me, the jury is still out on this one

it’s just very “hinky”

what little info is on that page, are shades of shades of Casey, from the name, to the dora the explorer, to even the astrological sign of pices

someone pointed out that they don’t think she premeditated the murder so didn’t create the page, but she DID premeditate the nanny and perhaps was working on a myspace page to “create” a persona to pacify Cindy and anyone else that might have been starting to ask more details of the nanny. the same way she created fake paystubs for fake jobs…..like “see, she just sent me a message on myspace” or “oh, she’s on my space, she contacts me all the time through myspace”
etc, etc

however, i do agree that anyone logging on to that account if casey did create it, is quite possibly the single most stupid individual in the world right now. talk about asking for trouble to come raining down in a storm they’ve never imagined!

I find myself falling toward it not being created by her. But I think a major part of what drives me to conclude that is my own hesitation to be biased on my own theory. I avoid “theory marriage” like the plague…so I may be erring in the opposite direction just to avoid holding to my own theory.

I don’t know. This damned myspace has been a rollercoaster ride for me for just a few days short of a year now.

*sigh*

» Kimberlee said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 04:01:58 }
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/
http://thenewdaymare.blogspot.com/
Back in October of 2008, I discovered a Lady In Puerto Rico, who had a child, a little girl, who was (what appeared to me to be caucasian), who appeared to look like Caylee. …………………. She says, “Oh that is wonderful sweety, thats how old Casey says this Zenaida is”. This was before the description of Zenaida was released to the public.

My Hinky Meter just went off about this statement. If this was before the description of Zenaida was released to the public, how did she know what to look for to report to Cindy? Said another way, how would she have discovered this woman without a description, which was not public yet?

From the first time I saw this story and person on the internet, I discounted it completely. IMO she was trying to interject herself into the case making the whole story up. She may or may not have ever contacted Cindy. She states on other blogs that she is frightened and seeking safety from the posters on blogs and got advice from her mother, trying to indicate that she herself is very young. Her reasons for not going to LE are laughable. The whole idea that Cindy would use this person as some kind of intermediary in locating her grandaughter is not plausible. Cindy would have requested ZFG phone number other info and gone raging to someone to trace this number and rescue Caylee. I think the whole story is bogus. I hope I am not bringing the whole wrath of the internet on me. This person has been on several sites that take her seriously. I was kinda sorry to see it pop up here for discussion.

sorry, not seeking safety from bloggers, but asking the bloggers for safety and help.

Hi, Val. Just wanted to leave a similar comment here to the one I left on WS that mysteriously disappeared.

If you go to the Miami County Clerk of Courts webpage and search under civil/probate cases ( http://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/civil/Search.aspx ) you will find a Zenaida Debesa who is a minor child in a family court case. (The system will allow you to click through to the family court case record from that search result, but ZD for some reason will not show up if you start the search from the family court cases search page.)

I believe this is likely the web page of this minor child in Miami. If she was under the minimum age of 14 when she signed up for MySpace, she would not have been able to use her real birth year. Some of my daughter’s friends signed up for MySpace before they were 14, and are now listed as being over 90 years old. This would explain (1) the Dora pic, (2) the failure to respond to comments/questions about Casey that she might find confusing if she is a child and is not familiar with the case, and (3) the appearance of only sporadic and shallow interest in her MS page.

Hi, first I wanted to say that I really enjoy reading your blog, it is fill with a lot of helpful information. I also wanted to response to a comment made about a blog I just put up.
Zenaida’s (that I was speaking to) last name, was not De Besa… Her last name was Fernandez.
The only reason I made this blog was because some ladies from [EDIT: blog name removed] blog were posting false information about me. And I decided it was time to bring the truth forward regarding my “relationship” with Cindy. They kind of forced me into a corner and I had no choice. Thanks~Mel

Thank you, AZ.

I really think you are onto something on this. This is the one thing I have seen that makes the most sense and presents a logical explanation to who (other than Casey) might be the rightful owner of this myspace.

It’s weird they deleted it, but I’m sure grateful you shared it over here!

Hi Melissa,

Thanks for that information. I went ahead and removed the blog name because I think you have the specifics of that on your own site, and there really is no need to state it here.

» AZ Lawyer said: { Jan 12, 2010 – 10:01:13 }

Good find & analysis.

AZ Lawyer….thats a good possibility.

Interesting, AZ — interesting find, thanks.

I was actually joking when i made a comment about the myspace being connected in any way to that girl Melissa’s blog

and good call AZ first scenario i’m willing to consider..COULD BE…

I take it all back – I must have gone NUTS! I would swear on a stack of bibles this was not here a moment ago!!!! Oh, well….

Guess they must have slipped me something in the Doctor’s office. 8O

WOW!!!

Go to the doctor one time and the whole world flips around…

It is still a heck of a coinkidink that the little girl chose a birthdate and age that corresponds so well to this case though. That would be a billion to one shot. Or some other huge number. The name Zenaida and the birthdate and the age off by one? I am having a little trouble here….

To me, it would be much more believable if it were a twenty something Zenaida who switched last names to stop being bugged by folk who want to know if it is linked to Casey. Although, the date of birth thing is still a stinker now that I think about it – which is exactly why it stuck in silverspnr’s craw too. (Okay, silver was right, so sue me – No, wait, do not sue me. 8O Just remembered you are a lawyer).

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1686900121&ref=search&sid=657984047.2249297759..1

Above is Casey Anthony’s facebook .. not much to it

whats that suz? some people like myself cannot veiw the social networking sites from the workplace

It’s Casey’s facebook page.. her only friend is Levi Page ( the guy who has the blog talk radio)

I’m so sorry Levi is her only “mutual Friend” as he is also friend on my FB

It is easy to change your first and last name on Myspace. At one time, the name on the account was Zenaida Gonzalez. When I first read about the Zenaida Myspace page I didn’t see a link to it, so I found it by doing a friend search using Zenaida Gonzalez plus a Miami zip code. I did a test on my own account and if I do a friend search with my zip code but use a different last name, I don’t show up in the results. So Zenaida Gonzalez had to be the name on the account at the time I did the search for Zenaida Gonzalez with a Miami zip code.

If Casey didn’t create the page I think it was a hoax to make it look like she did. However, the only way I believe it could be a hoax is if somebody looked through the accounts created on June 16, found one that wasn’t actively being used, hacked into it, changed the password, changed the name to Zenaida Gonzalez, and stopped logging in the day Casey went to jail for the last time. That scenario doesn’t seem likely though because the only way you can change the email address on your Myspace account is to click a link in a confirmation email that comes to the current email address on the account, or by sending Myspace a picture of yourself holding a piece of paper with your friend ID.

Valhall,
I realize that I based what I said on Casey being a “normal average thinking” person. When I write something that sounds so reasonable and rational to me in trying to figure out Casey’s thinking or actions…I have to admit, it just doesn’t feel right nor does it sit well. Tks for your input.

Justice4All,

I believe the name on the MySpace was originally just “Zenaida,” not “Zenaida Gonzalez.” If you have any notes or screen captures, can you go back and check that?

Displaying your first and last name on Myspace is optional, but to the best of my knowledge every Myspace account has a first and last name associated with it.

MELISSA – could you please respond to Maura’s comment??

» Maura said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 05:01:36 }
Kimberlee said: { Jan 11, 2010 – 04:01:58 }

Thank you for copying the post. This person claims to have found found the PR MySpace page in October 2008 and passed it on to Cindy “before the description of Zenaida was released to the public.”

The problem with that claim (no description of ZFG had been released to the public prior to October 2008) is that it’s false. Pretty much everything we know about ZFG was released to the public in the first set of discovery on August 24, 2008. All of the following was released on that date:

Casey’s description of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez in her four-page OCSO statement on July 16, 2008, time-stamped 1:05am (discovery page 29):

“Caylee’s nanny Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez has watched her for the past year and a half, to two years. Zenaida is twenty-five years old, and is from New York. She is roughly 5 foot 7 inches tall, 140 pounds. She has dark brown, curly hair, and brown eyes. Zenaida’s birthday is in September. I met Zenaida, through a mutual friend, Jeffery Michael Hopkins. She had watched his son, Zachary Hopkins, for about 6 months, to a year. I met Zenaida in 2004, around Christmas.”

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Additional information about ZFG (New York, Miami, and Puerto Rican connections) given by Casey in her 4:11am OCSO interview with Detective Yuri Melich (discovery page 82):

Q Okay. You said Zenaida had family up in New England up New York or something?

A Yes, she has family down south. Her mother, her sister um, her brother’s in New York. She’s originally from New York.

Q And where’s down South?

A Um, Miami area.

Q Where is she originally from?

A New York.

Q Ah, she born, raised in New York? She got family outside of the country or…

A I don’t know. As far as I know she pretty much grew up there, moved down here went to University of Florida.

Q She Puerto Rican, is she Dominican is she white?

A She’s mixed. She’s black and Puerto Rican.

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More information about ZFG and her family given by Casey to George and Cindy during their July 25, 2008 jail visit, transmitted to Yuri Melich via email from Lee Anthony on July 26 (email is on discovery page 388):

:Zenaida (Zanny) Fernandez-Gonzalez
26 years old
5’6”-5’7”
140 pounds
Brown hair and eyes (naturally curly hair but wears it straight)
No tattoos visible from two-piece bathing suit
Drives a 2008 silver Ford Focus (sold to her by step-father Victor Fernandez)
Zanny’s car seat is pink with a floral design
Zanny’s biological mother’s name is Gloria Gonzalez, 55 years old
Zanny has a sister named Samantha who is 1-2 years older than Zanny
Zanny’s roommates until a few months ago were Raquel Farrell (hostess at TGIF) and Jennifer Rosa (worked at ABC Distribution Catalog in Orlando, headquarters in Miami)”

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Everyone reading the discovery knew ZFG was allegedly part Puerto Rican, and within days of Casey’s arrest, Cindy was questioning the PR trip taken by JP, Ricardo, Troy, and Amy (which was also revealed in that first set of released discovery).

Given that Casey couldn’t decide whether ZFG was 25 or 26, I suppose we can’t fault Cindy for believing she was 24!

Kim, I guess back then, up until that point, I had not heard Zenaida’s age. Therefore it had me thinking that it had not been released. Zenaida(that I was speaking with) is Puerto Rican and also appears to have some African American in her as well. She is also engaged or married to an African American man. It’s either on her husband’s side or her side that she is related to the Ortiz’s in Jacksonville. When I told Cindy this, she got all excited and told me that Ortiz was Samantha’s last name… Since the myspace link was in the discovery, I guess I can post it here, this page has not been logged into since early 2009, the myspace page that I spoke to her on was her private one. If you go to photos you can see the picture of the little girl in pink … this is the picture that was in the discovery as well. Cindy told me in August of 2008 that “It’s Caylee for sure, but it’s probably photoshopped”. She told me she had a close friend who was involved in forensics and had actually broken the picture down. Zenaida’s nick name is also “Zeny” . I really feel that Casey may have known this girl… Zenaida’s best friend lives in Orlando. But I feel Casey may have just used this girls name to point the finger at someone other than herself. That has always been my outlook on it. And I wish that people would not be against me

Myspace of Zenaida Fernandez:
myspace.com/zeny7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0-AosGjKmA&feature=player_embedded
People think Cindy was looking for a live Caylee, but they dont know the whole story… she was looking for Zenaida

» AZ Lawyer said: { Jan 12, 2010 – 03:01:04 }

Justice4All,

I believe the name on the MySpace was originally just “Zenaida,” not “Zenaida Gonzalez.” If you have any notes or screen captures, can you go back and check that?

This is correct. The only thing that showed originally was “zenaida” as the display name. There was no subtitle, and no last name.

I don’t think I’m making my point very well. I’ll try to clear it up a little more. When you create a Myspace account, you must choose a display name, a first name, and a last name. The display name always shows, but it is optional on whether you want to show your first and last name.

I could change my display name to Zenaida if I wanted to, but if you use a first and last name in a friend search at the following link, http://searchservice.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sitesearch.friendfinder , only people with that first and last name will come up in the results. If my display name was Zenaida, my first name was Mike, my last name was Jones, and you searched for Mike Johnson, I wouldn’t come up in the search results. If you searched for Mike Jones, my profile would come up with Zenaida as the display name.

A few months ago when I searched http://searchservice.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sitesearch.friendfinder for Zenaida Gonzalez, and then put a Miami zip code in the filter results box, the Zenaida profile that we are all talking about came up in the results. That means that the first and last name in the profile at that point in time was Zenaida Gonzalez. It no longer comes up in the results when you search for Zenaida Gonzalez because somebody has since changed the first and last name in the profile to Zenaida Debesa. They have also checked the box in account options which says “Show my full name wherever my name and photo appear on MySpace.” That is why a first and last name is now showing under the display name.

Justice,

I understand what you’re saying. But there is one point I would like to push back on. This myspace never came up against a REAL NAME search “zenaida gonzalez”. It would come up against a real name search “zenaida”, so both the display name and the real name contained “zenaida”, but gonzalez. Now, I have no idea what the last name was at that time, but gonzalez didn’t hit against it….neither did Fernandez.

My memory might have failed me but I could have sworn I typed Zenaida Gonzalez in the search, and then filtered the results with a Miami zip code and found the Zenaida profile. I’m sorry if I remembered incorrectly, but I almost always use a first and last name when I do searches on there. I need to start taking screenshots when I do this type of stuff.

I still think Casey did create the zenaida my space page. Too many coincidences that she did not. Being that the defense team probably reads here, is it far-fetched to believe some member of that team was in or went to Miami to log in to the My Space page?

I thought I searched a both Z and G too (and got the one with the Dora pic), but am willing to concede my memory is not always what I wish it was. There was also a Z in the appropriate age range who was wearing a flag ala Casey at the anything but clothes party who lived in PR.

Sue I think so too. I’m not mathematician but I’d like to see the numbers laid out as to the probability of this my space page being created when it was and left dormant (for all intents and purposes) when it was. I bet the numbers are one in how many million (or billion). Like I said I’m no statistician but I think the chance it was NOT created by Casey is an astronomical figure.

And I DO think the defense or the Anthonys are stupid enough to log on to try and create doubt as to its original ownership. Heck, they’ve done nuttier, more blatantly foolish things many times, in my opinion.

http://www.myspace.com/389838213

seems as though the GHOST of Zenaida has struck again

What I have always thought about the call from the Ants home to Casey’s phone that am? Casey had mislaid her cell and dialed it so she could she could locate it.

What continues to trouble me about this myspace page is that, according to intellius.com and zabasearch.com, there is nobody in the country with the name Zenaida Debesa. Being that she is supposed to be 24 years old, she should have enough info out there to have showed up at least on intellius. So I’m with Justice 4 All… I really do think Casey set up this page on her last day of freedom, and someone else sympathetic to her cause has recently logged on, changed the last name, and posted it.