I’ve been working for a while on gathering all information that is available about the laptop, where it was at certain points, and what happened to it. So this is what I’ve gathered together. I guess it is best to start at the beginning, or at least before June 15th when the critical timeline events concerning the murder of Caylee Anthony began. So let’s start with the simple fact that the laptop was Cindy’s. It was given to her by George in some previous year. She didn’t hardly use it, stating she didn’t like it, and for this reason Cindy states she didn’t even know it was gone until it was returned in the early morning hours of July 16th by Lee after he returned from Tony Lazzaro’s apartment.
We get this information from Part 2 of Cindy’s deposition on July 29, 2009:
From page 191 (page 9 of pdf):
Q You also had mentioned a laptop.
A correct.
Q Is this different than the laptop that your daughter Casey used?
A No. It’s the same.
Q Okay. Back in 2008, the early part of 2008, did you allow her to have that all the time?
A No. She — she just used it when she needed it. I mean, I didn’t give it to her to use all the time, but she had access to it whenever she needed it.
Q Did she have it between June 16th and July 15th?
A Yes.A I’m not sure of the date she took possession. But –
Q Okay.
A — it wasn’t — when we picked it up or my son picked it up from Tony Lazzaro’s home, it was sometime after midnight on the 15th, so it was the 16th, in the morning.
Q July 16th?
A July 16th. When we — when I received it, I realized it was my laptop, so I don’t know what dates. She could have come back and got it at any time. I don’t know. I don’t use that every day.
Q Where do you keep — where did you keep it?
A In my bedroom.
Q Okay. I think you said that. Was there a certain place that you always had it? WAs it just sitting out?
A It was usually out. But I know that I had laid some things on top of it, some clothes that I needed to sew.
Q Right.
A So I couldn’t actually see it. And it wasn’t something, if I used it every day, I didn’t look for it.
Q All right. So at some point in time during that month, did you realize that it was gone?
A I didn’t realize it was gone until the — until the 16th.
Q Until you got it back?
A Right.
From Lee’s interview with OCSO on July 29, 2008:
Page 18:
EE: Okay, so you went and you picked up. Give me that list of items again.
LA: Sure. Uhm…
EE: From Tony’s apartment at Sutton Place.
LA: Yes. Uhm, this was uhm, around midnight. I went and picked up uhm, my sister’s laptop. Uhm, well it’s actually my mom’s laptop, but you know, my sister was, she’s had it for that past month or so…
And from Lee’s deposition on July 30, 2009:
Page 163, concerning the laptop Lee retrieved from Tony’s apartment:
Q All right. The laptop –
A Um-hum.
Q — did you recognize the laptop?
A Yeah. It was one that — I’m pretty sure my dad had got it for my mom for, like, Mother’s Day or –A …She’s [Cindy] had the laptop for a while.
Q All right. Was there anything about the laptop itself that distinguished itself, that you knew it was your mom’s, or just assumed?A I just remember the way it looked. No. I just remember the way it looked. I mean, I helped her set it up, you know, when she got it so, I mean, I just knew it was hers. It was — you know, and besides that, it was, you know, Casey acknowledged it as mom’s laptop when she said, you know, the laptop and everything. She called it, you know: My cellphone, mom’s laptop. You know, so I mean, it was no reason to think it was anybody else’s.
Q Prior to going over there, did your mom tell you that the laptop was missing?
A She may have. I — I don’t remember. I don’t remember.
and from page 379:
A …she [Cindy] still used it [the desktop] even when she got her laptop because she didn’t like, you know, the way it [the laptop] was. She had a problem with the Internet sometimes, so she barely even used her laptop, which was the reason why Casey took it because she — she was the one that — it turned into my sister’s laptop half the time than it did my mom’s.
And then again from Cindy’s deposition page 257 (page 75 of pdf) when discussing the Myspace page Cindy created with her prose on her missing Caylee:
A I didn’t know if she had computer access or not. At that time I didn’t know my — you know, that my computer was missing. I didn’t know if she had one.
And then finally on page 402 (page 220 of pdf) discussing Lee returning from Tony’s apartment with the laptop:
Q Okay. Lee left; an hour or so later came back and had what Tony had given him?
A Evidently. i’m not sure if Lee searched the apartment or whatever Tony gave him. But Lee brought home a duffle bag, a backpack, and another purse and then the laptop. And that’s when I saw the laptop for the first time. And at first I didn’t even pay attention it was mine and then a few minutes later I realized it was my laptop.
So at some point Casey took the laptop with her to Tony’s. Now let’s establish when that happened. On June 16th Casey was at (or near) the Anthony home until after 4 pm. We know she used the desktop before noon to upload a picture of her and Tony to her Photobucket account. There are also additional high activity times for the desktop through-out the day of the 16th. However, the laptop shows no sign of user activity, with only minimal system activity: 1 file accessed during the 11 a.m. hour, 4 files accessed during the 1 pm hour, 2 files accessed during the 2 pm hour and 4 files accessed during the 4 pm hour. Now, while this may indicate that Casey retrieved the laptop from Cindy’s bedroom on the 16th and turned it on, it does not appear she did more than simply turning it on. In fact, I believe the laptop activity (or the lack thereof) indicates that the laptop remained behind at the Anthony home.
To further this statement, I point to the fact that the laptop continued unused (with only system activity just after midnight) until the 2 pm hour of June 17th, as indicated above. Casey’s cell pings for June 17th, as mapped out by Websleuths, show that she arrived back at the Anthony home, or near it, at approximately 2:29 pm – which coincides exactly with when the laptop began to be used. But more curious is the fact that there is immediate HIGH activity on the laptop. Note in the Encase data above that during the 3 pm hour there is an ellipse (…) that I have circled. An ellipse indicates that so many files were accessed during that one hour that they have exceeded the graphic capability of the Encase screen we have a screencap of above. The computer forensics investigator can actually click on that ellipse and get an expanded view that shows all the files. (As a matter of fact, the investigator can click on each square that represents a file and it will give him the file name, and all other pertinent information concerning the activity during that time period.)
Now, what is curious about this sudden high activity on the laptop (that we now know was previously unused by Cindy), is that there is also high activity on the desktop during the same period of time.
Now, what I have contended for some time is that the simultaneous high periods of activity on the both the laptop and desktop represented Casey transferring files from the desktop to the laptop so that she could take it with her to Tony’s and have all her little icons, peeing in the parking lot pictures, and other very important information with her. Now while the following doesn’t PROVE that point, it lends support to that argument.
Cindy states in her July 2009 deposition that, contrary to popular belief, instead of trying to choke Casey to death and having a screaming match with her about robbing from her incapacitated grandfather, they had a nice little mommy-daughter weepy session together watching the Father’s Day video.
From page 271 (page 89 of the pdf):
A So — and then after that, Casey got something to eat and then we sat and watched my dad’s video and we cried. I call it my dad’s video because that was the whole purpose of taking the camera that day, was to get my dad and Caylee together. But when we got there, he perked right up when he saw us.
Q Uh-huh.
A And from that point on, he continued to improve.
Q How did you watch that? Did you have a plug into the television?
A Yeah. Well, no. Actually to the computer, my desktop.
Q Oh, to your desktop?
A You plug the — yes. The camera that the sheriff’s office has could plug right into my desktop.
Q Okay. Did Casey take a copy or have a copy somehow taken from your camera and put onto your laptop, to your knowledge?
A At some point she may have. I don’t recall her doing it that night. I know she put it on the desktop at that point, but I’m not sure when she put it on the laptop. But I know the desktop, while we were watching it, she was putting it on the desktop.
Okay, please note that Cindy is adamant that Casey downloaded the video from the camera to the desktop and they watched from the desktop. Please also note that the prosecutor is very interested in this point. Why? Because the video, somehow, ended up on the laptop. We not only know it was there when the laptop was retrieved by OCSO (because the file was there), but we know it was there prior to Tony leaving for New York at the end of June, as told by him in his interview with OCSO on October 16, 2008.
Page 11:
EE: …Uhm, you had told Yuri about where she was watching the computer?
AL: Oh that’s right. Uhm, the whole, the uh, the video where I guess it shows like Caylee with the gr…her grandfather, that was shown all over the news.EE: Uh-hum (affirmative).
AL: Uhm, I remember, I would say it wasn’t at night. It was in the morning. And she was already awake. And she was just on her laptop watching uh, this video and she was crying.
EE: What, when was that approximately?
AK: Uh, (sighs), I don’t, I din’t remember. Uh, I would have to say, I know it was before I left for New York. Uhm, but I can’t remember when.EE: Okay. So uh, before you left for New York….
AL: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: …you remember, well she, was she sitting in the living room, was she sitting in the bedroom, or where?
AL: She was uh, uh, sitting up in my bed and like at, like at the end, like in like I guess like just like sitting uhm, Indian style or whatever. And then uh, and she had the laptop in here, in her lap.
And then on page 33:
EE: Can we get some clarification on uhm, let me go back here while we’re riding to do that. So she, before you leave for New York, you wake up one day and she is already in bed, with her laptop, the one that…
AL: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: Watching that video from the visitat…where she visited her grandfather on the 15th?
AL: Right.
So, somehow the video ended up on the laptop before Tony’s trip to New York. And while Casey could have easily have downloaded the video straight from the camera (if it was still on it), I believe the consecutive high activity on the desktop and laptop shows she “loaded” the laptop for a long-term trip. And we know that Casey used the laptop because of both the internet activity on the computer, as well as some very important file activity; such as the “diary of days”. That poem was written on July 2nd, on the laptop. It sat there for five days before Casey shared with the world on her Myspace on July 7th. She looked at it again (maybe for the final time?) on July 15th at 4:40 pm, according to the computer forensics report on the laptop.
Now, without having all the data we need to thoroughly look at all the activity on the laptop, using the Safari and IE data we do have, it appears the last Internet activity we can discern on the laptop was around 5:42 to 5:48 pm on the 15th. But this is just Internet-related activity, this does not tell us if there was offline activity occurring after that on the 15th. So let’s look at what we know from interviews.
From Tony Lazzaro’s interview with OCSO on July 22, 2008:
Page 30:
EE: …What did, what, what did, how’d that conversation go down between mom and Amy and you?
AL: I had, oh, no I, I didn’t have that conversation with the uh, at, at all. Actually what happened was I was just sitting there with my roommate uh, Nathan. We were playing video games and she, and Casey was sitting there at the couch also, on the laptop…
So, the laptop was still functioning, or at least it appeared to be, when Amy and Cindy arrived at Tony’s apartment to get Casey. It would seem that Tony would have noticed, and mentioned, if Casey was sitting there staring at a blue screen of death trying to get her laptop to work.
Casey basically sent Lee to Tony’s apartment to retrieve her cellphone and her laptop.
From Lee’s deposition in July 2009:
Page 148:
Q Did you give specifics about what you were looking for?
A Yeah. She had a laptop over there, which was my mom’s laptop, the laptop over there. At the time, the first time that we spoke, her cellphone was still over there, so I was, like: I’m just going to come and get her things, like, her cellphone and her laptop or whatever.
Q All right. So let me stop you for a second because I think –
A Sure.
Q — I got confused. Was Tony telling you what he had –
A No.
Q — or were you telling him what you were looking for?
A Telling him what I was — what I was going to do.
Q Okay.
A He didn’t really have much of a say in it.
Q Sure. How did you know what he had?
A My — my mom or , you know, my sister would have said it. There was — during this hour or so from 9:00 till 10:00 or 10:15, you know, when the police officers were there, they were not with my sister the entire time. They were, you know, they were never with me but they were either – some where with my folks in the living room. They tried to separate my sister and my –specifically my mom, you know, and my dad because, you know, my mom would still, like, try to yell things over to Casey and, you know, then they were just fighting. It wasn’t constructive, so — I remember Casey would be in her room and then one time Casey actually sat in the garage. I went out and sat with her in the garage –
and from page 152:
A Yeah. Casey knew that I was going to call him because it was in that time when we were sitting — sitting down together when I asked her again about Tony and she was, like, you know: He is — my cellphone’s over there and, you know, laptop and things like that. So that’s — when I called him, it was, you know –
and from page 154:
Q And when you spoke with Casey in the garage, she gave you a number or told you about a number of items that you had — that she had had over at Tony’s house; is that correct?
A Right. A cellphone, laptop.
Q Cellphone, laptop. What else?
A That’s all she mentioned, but there ended up being clothes, too. But she just mentioned specifically: My cellphone’s there and the laptop. I think that’s what she was mainly concerned with getting.
Q All right. Did you immediately go to Mr. Lazzaro’s after getting that information and talking to Tony?
A After I filled out my statement because they did ask me to do that prior to leaving, I — I went over there. But there was a bit of a delay by the time I talked to Tony and did the statement because the police had already gone over and got the cellphone from him. So by the time I got there, it was really just picking up the laptop, is what I was planning on. yes.
And by the time Lee headed to Tony’s, he thought the only thing he was recovering at that point was the laptop, because the cellphone had already been recovered by a police officer.
Page 154:
Q …Did you know prior to arriving to Mr. Lazzaro’s that the cellphone had already been picked up?
A Yes.
and from page 189:
A All I knew I was getting was the laptop; yeah. So I didn’t ask him for anything else. No.
Lee stated he left the Anthony home around midnight to head to Tony’s apartment. He was gone somewhere between 2 and 2-1/2 hours according to his own statements.
From Lee’s interview with OCSO on July 29, 2008:
Page 21:
LA: It was 2:25 when I got back to the house.
EE: A.M.?
LA: 2:25 a.m. Because I remember looking at the clock and I remember thinking wow, it’s been two hours, or little over two hours that I was gone because I left ar…the house around midnight.
EE: I’m thinking Yuri….
LA: I know it was 2:25.
And from the July 29 deposition:
Page 154:
Q When you went into the apartment, how long did you stay?
A I was there for about two hours actually.
Q All right. Let’s talk about that. Why were you there for two hours?
A Trying to get information from the, you know, what was — just asking them tons of questions from, you know, what was Casey’s demeanor…
In that same deposition on page 160 Lee is asked:
Q All right. What did — what did Tony give you?
A Laptop, a couple bags worth of, like, clothes and, you know, toiletries and pretty much all her stuff.
Q Did you watch him pack it up or was it already packed?
A Already packed.A …I had to put a laptop in a bag, but that was the only thing that we did –
And while that may be true for packing activities, there was more involved than Lee just taking what Tony handed to him and then him visiting with Tony and the boys for a couple of hours. At least, if we’re to believe Lee, there was more. From Lee’s interview with OCSO on July 29, 2008:
Page 54:
EE: …Uhm, when you went to get the computer from the apartment, you said it was kind of odd the way that it was. Blue screen and all?
LA: Yeah (affirmative), well….
LA: …it was uhm, it was at the, it, actually when I got there originally it was, it was still, it was off at that point. But it was set up…
LA: …plugged in.
LA: It was set up, plugged in, on the kitchen countertop. Uhm, and when I turned it on so I can just try to see if I can get on the desktop there because I was curious, it came to a prompt where you have to either, you either, it’s saying something to the extent of the last time it was shut down it shut down improperly. There’s been data lost. So you can either uhm, you can go back to the most recent setting that worked.
EE: Uh-hum (affirmative).
LA: You can debug in safe mode. You can log in in safe mode. It gives you about four or five choices. Uhm, so choosing any of those choices it’ll immediately switch to that, you know, Windows XP Home screen…
ME: Uh-hum (affirmative).
LA: And it won’t even be there for a second or two and then it’ll get you a blue screen error and it’ll automatically reboot up and it’ll start you at that process again. So I was never able to actually log onto that computer or log onto the desktop.
EE: And you say that was either probably a virus?
LA: It had to be a virus or deleting those necessary files that Windows needs it in order to start up properly. And typically the virus that I’m talking about, the virus is what deletes those files, or at least corrupts them so you can’t sign on. Because…
EE: That….
LA: …I’ve had a similar thing on my personal computer a few years back.
EE: That being said, in your investigation, you found that your sister’s Yahoo mail account from the date of July 15…15th has been deleted?
LA: Yes. Every bit of mail sent, received….
EE: Is that June 15th or July 15th?
LA: July 15th.
EE: So June 15th to July 15th exists? But from July 15th, so did that kind of lead you to believe that…
LA: No, no, I’m saying the information that’s in there now is July 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th; everything to present. Anything pre-dating…
EE: Prior?
LA: Uh, yeah (affirmative). I’m sorry. So everything predating July 15th, nothing is in there. There’s no saved e-mails. There’s no spam. There’s no inbox messages. There’s no sent mail. There’s nothing, everything predating July 15th.
EE: Nothing prior?
LA: Nothing.
EE: Well that would make sense that if you went and got the computer on July 15th, and it appeared to you that maybe it crashed because of a deleting issue, that maybe everything was deleted.
LA: Someone would have had to manually log into her Yahoo account to delete it. But absolutely, if someone actually deleted all the files on the computer it would make perfect sense that someone would go through and delete all of her messages at that point as well. Absolutely.
EE: And you say there’s also Myspace deleting issues?
LA: Yes. Now these deleting issues happened prior though. Uhm, around uh, the Fourth of July up until dating back to April 24th there’s a very large gap of comments that have been deleted and that were deleted on that, on that 4th date, that July Fourth date. All of those messages were deleted for whatever reason during that time. So I noticed that early on.
EE: I am going to tell you a few things that I am just am questioning. Your sister sproadically visits her Photobucket from another person’s account and enters numerous photos into her Photobucket account, not utilizing her computer.
LA: Not utilizing the laptop?
EE: Correct.
LA: Okay.
EE: So she still has a laptop but, and this is prior to it crashing.
LA: Uh-hum (affirmative).
EE: There’s Photobucket entries all the way up to the 15th of July.
LA: Hmm.
EE: But not made over her laptop. Made over a, a uh, service of another person. Does that make any sense to you?
LA: There’s another laptop at the residence that she was staying at at Tony’s residence.EE: …my, I think the point I’m trying to get at is why, knowing your sister why do you think she would utilize that other person’s computers versus her own?
LA: Unless it crashed earlier. Unless her laptop crashed. You know, of course we can’t attest to when it crashed.
EE: Right.
LA: So….
EE: You said it was sitting there running on the 15th when you went to get it?
LA: Exactly. And I couldn’t….
I will interject here that is NOT what he said originally. He stated he started it up and during the boot up it went to a text screen showing it had abnormally been shut down previously.
EE: So it….
LA: …get in.
EE: …the odd,…it may have sat there from the 9th to the 15th….
LA: Could have.
EE: …on the counter, running.
LA: Sure.
EE: We don’t know.
LA: Absolutely.
EE: Uh-hum (affirmative).
LA: It definitely could have.
But it couldn’t have…could it? Something happened to that laptop after 5:48 pm.
Valhall.
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