How Kronk could be a Suspect
Critical thinkers stay fair and balanced by the sheer burden of logical thinking. As long as we maintain logic, we are able to maintain open minds. Casey is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty and therefore, if another possibility other than she having a hand in Caylee’s death is possible, we must review it with open minds and critical thinking. The defense team has announced today via a motion filed that they believe Kronk should be named a suspect in the murder of Caylee Anthony. I guess the first thing that should be pointed out is that the defense is remaining consistent that Caylee was murdered.
Let’s review how Kronk could be proven a legitimate suspect by the defense.
Facts:
From the cell phone ping map, courtesy of the fine folks at Websleuths, we find that contrary to George’s ailing memory, Casey (and Caylee) were at the Anthony home until approximately 4:14 pm on June 16th. We also know for a fact that Casey was with Tony at 7:58 pm on the 16th at the Blockbuster renting movies. This is a fact. We cannot say for certain when Casey arrived at Tony’s apartment, although her cell phone pings place her in the area of Tony’s apartment as early as 4:30 pm on the 16th.
We can establish that Caylee “disappeared” on the 16th of June because later that evening Casey was with Tony and spent the night with him until she left to return to the Anthony home on the 17th. Caylee was not with her when she met up with Tony on the 16th. In fact, Caylee was not seen alive by anyone again after the 16th. We can, with certain confidence, establish now, as indirectly admitted by the defense team courtesy of the insinuation that Mr. Kronk is a suspect in Caylee’s murder, that she was not handed off to a nanny on the 16th. We can most likely now put aside scenario #1 (Sawgrass apartments) and scenario #2 (Jay Blanchard Park) involving “Zanny”, because Roy Kronk is the suspect. And there has been no connection made between him and Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez to date. (But we shall entertain one to be open-minded.)
So we know where Casey was until about 4:14 pm on the 16th – the Anthony home. We know where she was from 7:58 pm on – with Tony. We can reasonably conclude some things based on her cell phone activity after 4:14 pm as well. For instance, at 6:31 pm Casey tries Cindy’s cell phone, doesn’t get her, and immediately calls back at 6:32 pm, again not getting an answer. She then immediately attempts the Anthony home without getting an answer. Is this a sign things have gone a-foul and Kronk has stolen Caylee? Apparently not, because approximately 30 minutes later, at 7:06 pm Casey calls the Anthony home again and is on the phone for 1 minute 38 seconds. Considering that Casey has a great aptitude for stacking a large amount of words in a short amount of time, we can reasonably conclude that if the evil meter-reader has absconded with Caylee, it would be noted within a 1 minute, 38 second phone call home. In addition, at 7:20 pm and 7:21 pm Casey attempts two phone calls to Amy Huizenga, probably not to report Caylee missing.
But for the sake of argument, and to assist in building the case against Kronk, let’s assume that HE handed Casey a script and therefore, she couldn’t tell her mother at 7:06 pm that Caylee had been stolen by a meter-reader. When would this have happened? Well, we basically have two time periods. From right at 3:00 pm when George left the Anthony residence for work and about 4:15 pm when Casey left the Anthony home. Or between 4:15 pm and 7:58 pm when her and Tony were at Blockbuster. Let’s lay out the scenarios for each of these time periods.
Scenario 1 – Prior to 4:15 pm:
Roy Kronk invades the Anthony home and kills Caylee while Casey watches. Roy Kronk must then duct tape Caylee (with Henkel brand fire-resistant duct tape), take the cylindrical laundry bag from the top shelf of the garage, triple bag Caylee, and stuff her body in the trunk of Casey’s car – all the while Casey sits there in the first moment of silence she’s ever experienced, watching. He then must ram a script in Casey’s hands telling her what to say and do (which includes coming up with Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez and her evil sister Samantha), and run screaming like a mad man from the house with his meter-reader rod in hand. Casey, in some dazed, grief-stricken zombie mode then runs around for a week with Caylee’s body in the trunk until she comes up with a good “two-squirrel excuse” to play along with the script and dumps the body in the woods because she can’t stand the stench anymore. Under some “meter-reader spell” she later reports in to Roy Kronk to let him know exactly where she dumped the body – so he could be the hero, because that’s part of the script.
OR
After a week, Kronk returns in the dark of the night, breaks into Casey’s trunk, steals the rotting body of Caylee, while the car is parked at Tony’s apartment, and runs screaming with his meter-reader rod in hand all the way back down to 1/4 mile from the Anthony home where he dumps the body in an undisclosed location that only he would later reveal.
OR
Roy Kronk enters the Anthony home and abducts Caylee in front of a terrorized and screaming Casey. He grabs the Henkel brand fire-resistant duct tape and steals the cylindrical laundry bag from the top shelf in the garage. He runs away with a living Caylee, duct tape, laundry bag and meter-reader rod in hand, screaming like a mad man. He subsequently murders Caylee and triple bags her body. He later returns – only this time to Tony’s apartment – some time between the dates of the 16th of June and the 21st of June (because as the bug-dude has told us Caylee’s dead body was in there approximately 6 days) and puts the dead body in Casey’s trunk. Somewhere around the 25th of June Casey starts smelling something, but doesn’t ever check her trunk, and makes up the two-squirrel lie about her stinking car later to be absolutely taken aback on the 27th when she goes to put a sack of Tony’s trash in her trunk and finds her dead daughter’s body. She dumps the body in the woods and phones Kronk so he can be the hero – again.
Scenario 2 – After 4:15 pm:
Roy Kronk pushes Casey to the ground at Jay Blanchard Park, shoves a script in her hand, grabs Caylee, jumps in his 2008 Silver Ford Focus, meter-reader rod in hand screaming “I’ll get you my pretty!” He then drives to the Anthony home, steals the Henkel brand duct tape, takes the cylindrical laundry bag from the top shelf of the garage. He subsequently murders Caylee and triple bags her body. He then later returns – only this time to Tony’s apartment – some time between the dates of the 16th of June and the 21st of June and puts the dead body in Casey’s trunk. Somewhere around the 25th of June Casey starts smelling something, but doesn’t ever check her trunk, and makes up the two-squirrel lie about her stinking car later to be absolutely taken aback on the 27th when she goes to put a sack of Tony’s trash in her trunk and finds her dead daughter’s body. She dumps the body in the woods and phones Kronk so he can be the hero – again.
OR
Roy Kronk is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez and has been boinking Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez who is really his evil sister Samantha! And THEY stole Caylee at Jay Blanchard Park. Then they stopped by the Anthony home, in their 2008 Silver Ford Focus, and stole the Henkel brand fire-resistant duct tape, stole the cylindrical laundry bag from the top shelf of the garage. Then they murdered Caylee and triple bagged her body and slipped the body into Casey’s trunk, at Tony’s apartment, some time between June 16th and June 21st, which was discovered by Casey as she was about to place a bag of Tony’s trash in her trunk. She then dumped Caylee’s body in the woods and phoned Kronk to let him know where – because he must be the hero in the script. Meanwhile Zanny had fled to Puerto Rico.
Finally, because Zenaida left him for Puerto Rico, Roy Kronk, evil-mastermind meter-reader that he is, and now heart-broken lover, wants to be caught. As Zenaida boards the plane to Puerto Rico in August Roy starts calling 911, the Crimeline and OCSO trying to get them to come out and look at the dead body of a child he has murdered so they can arrest him, prosecute him and ultimately put him to death. He can’t get them to cooperate because of one numb-skull named Richard Cain. Kronk gets assigned to a different route and completely forgets about the whole murder, and his love-torn desire to be on death row, until 4 months later when he finally remembers – oh yeah! Gotta get this taken care of! At which point the rest is history and Casey is framed.
I can see where the defense is going with this. It could’ve happened.
Valhall.
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Beautiful!!
It literally is astonishing at the lengths they will go to. They have no idea how repulsive this appears.
Had to take a deep breath before I posted with the F word, Moron and Baez all in the same sentence.
As for Andrea, doesn’t look she’ll be bringing the potato salad to the Mensa picnic.
You have a point, CW…and I like the saying.
She definitely hasn’t done anything worth writing a book about, has she?
you got that up fast!! thanks for everything your sight has become very popular on the many sights i blog on about this case. even though i don’t understand the scientific stuff at times you seem to explain things very well!! Thank-you!! keep up the great work…isn’t it amazing the length’s these people are going to…including the family!
I don’t know. I couldn’t stop laughing. You forgot to mention Pizza. Maybe the squirrels ate it.
This was awesome. Thank you!!!
Thank you, Bryan. You are right – the lengths!
Shyloh – we have to laugh at this part. We must. We are being asked to accept as a serious matter the defense’s plan to decimate an individual whose only role in this tragedy is that he saw something, believed it was important, tried to report and was ignored for 4 months.
Roy Kronk most likely has skeletons in his closet that I personally won’t like about him. But none of those skeletons have the name of Caylee Marie Anthony. And for this case, that’s all that matters to me.
I’m just loving this side of you, Valhall!!
Keep em coming!
Oh, Val. You’re killing me! That was ironically funny and seriously f’d up all at once. Luvit
Baez memorandum on Roy Kronk
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/111909memorandum-kronk/indexGallery.htm
It’s a little blurry to read.
Thanks, Olive. I had actually started reading it before and couldn’t go past the second page. I was too upset. I’ll have to wait until my objective hat is back on. It fell off about an hour or so ago and the dog ran off with it.
Your so right Valhall, we must remember Casey is innocent until proven guilty and there MUST be a way to make the evidence fit the defense’ scenario.
I’ll take a stab at it. A little tired but I like playing sleuth!
Roy Kronk IS the ‘nanny’ (he really could be a ‘10′ when he’s in drag, no?) but Casey doesn’t notice this cuz ’she’ looks just like her very own imaginanny ZFG & hands Caylee over after George goes to work on the 16th. Since she wasn’t at Sawgrass–we know this because she never went near there according to the cell pings–or JBP–she gave her daughter to ‘her’ right there at the front door. BUT ’she’ returns within minutes with Caylee whose now deceased! He crams a script in her hands telling her she’d better follow it to the letter for the next 31 days when voila, her mother will call 911! He uses his meter reader rod, rising it high at her and demands the rare duct tape, two plastic bags and the hamper. Raising his rod again he orders her to open the trunk and as he tosses in the body threatens her so she’ll ride around the city with her dead child in the trunk until she can’t stand the odor any longer. In the meantime, she must meet up with him on pre-selected days with a ruse to steal clothing and sustenance so he can check up on her and make sure she’s following ‘the script’. The neighbors never noticed his meter reader van nor his meter rod as he comes and goes. (he used the silver Ford Focus that first day but it was borrowed from a friend who got into an accident with it in Tampa, so he’s got no choice and must use his work vehicle) He met up with Casey every time she called first to check on the home front to make sure no one would be around. (he IS clever, isn’t he?) Whenever she complained about the odor, he raised that rod of his and threatened her until she shrank back in abject fear, telling her she must tell her friends and family two Dead squirrels crawled up under the hood. (he Is brilliant!) When she brings the BF over to help her steal gas cans, he knows this so he waits down the street. He knows somehow she’d have to return them when the house would be empty again. When she shows up with them on the 24th neither of them expect George, who doesn’t notice Kronk cuz he waits outside dressed in his fave drag outfit until George spooks her and tries to see whats in the trunk. He waves to her so she’ll follow him down the street and he raises that rod again and orders her to help him get the body and everything else out of the car that will point to her as the killer and dump the body in the woods. He then told her that she must go on having a great time, telling everyone who should ask Caylee is either with her grandparent’s OR with ZFG, her beloved nanny. She MUST also party like a rock star, lie, cheat and steal every chance she gets–making herself look so bad so that when mom calls the cops, she’ll get put in the slammer! When he decides to find Caylee’s body, thereby being the ‘hero’ she’s to keep her mouth shut! (he warns her with that rod of his!) He gets rid of his drag outfits the minute she tells cops she left Caylee at the Sawgrass apts with ZFG, fearing they’ll connect him should she put out a police sketch. Somehow, she lost the script and never noticed the meter truck to give a description.
There’s just a few hundred kinks in it, but with a little fudging……..
Val!!!
You are my evil twin!!! (in a parallel universe, perhaps?!)
LOL at the Wicked Witch of the West, “I’ll get you, My Pretty”!
(I forgot to mention that my favorite part of your last entry was the imagined VISUAL and SOUND of Casey walking down that hall at Universal. You should consider writing a book, because it would be a best seller, no doubt about it.)
You have made abundantly clear here what I perhaps all-too-summarily suggested at the end of my most recent post (on the prior thread) regarding this new nonsense motion concerning Roy K:
Add it to the pile of defense DESPERATION.
Imagine having Casey Marie Anthony as a client (and Cynthia Marie Anthony as your client’s mother).
There isn’t enough Excedrin in the entire UNIVERSE.
Bannah!!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a rough day… until now!!!!!!!!!!
Laughter IS the very best medicine!
Yes it is!
I was so very angry earlier when I read about Baez accusations I wanted to explode…. Til I came here and read Valhall’s post!
Have a great nite!
now biazz has told wesh he isn’t accusing Kronk…….HAVE YOU READ THE MOTION!!! what is it then? it’s on the bottom of the http://www.wesh.com article about the newest Kronk update
Brilliant! I hope the Prosecution studies this column for the trial.
Ahhhhh After a bad day at work, then reading about their newest circus stunt I cam here and laughed whole heartedly!!!! Thanks for the great post! If the A’s decide to point the finger, they better look at their whole lyin’ family. They have NOTHING to smile about because they will all be the next set of under the buss victims!!! Just wait! It will be coming. They all did a lot of wrong to the case history as we have all read. Can’t wait for that one!
Thanks so much–Love your logic. Too bad logic defies most of this case and the lawyers involved in defending Casey. A Nanny, two weeks ago a stranger, now Kronk. Im sure my ex-husband would tell ” Mort” I did it, I hope they dont ask him! I hope Judge Strickland gives this the attention it deserves…and I hope the Anthony’s are aware that Conways statement prior to the new accusations is an obvious PR move that serves to infuriate intelligent people for being patronized and underestimated. Thanks for all your time and knowledge shared in this case!
Sure he could!!! So could Santa and the Tooth Fairy…..
their proof is that he once wore Winnie the Pooh boxer shorts!…..or so his ex-wife said under oath.
Oh Val!
the lenghs you go, to try to follow the defense’s thinking, should be considered Charity work, tax benefits included!!!!You deserve it girl! lol
Val and Bannah, thanks for the laughs….heehee we finally find the ‘10′.
there must be some good discovery coming out soon
lol Filipa, if you use A logic and play the 6 degrees of Casey (esp using myspace & facebook friends of friends)…any of us could be a suspect. Im sure I know someone named Gonzales, someone who drives a Focus, a blonde, a 10. You get the idea.
Bannah! LMAO
Silver – I think there’s several of us evil twins here.
Filipa! – Winnie the Pooh boxers!…pffffft
azrenee and Danna – good points. Must be something real damning coming down the pike to attempt this distracting nonsense.
And if we apply the 6 degrees of separation to Casey wouldn’t we ultimately come up with Kevin Bacon as the one who did this?
So Silver,
My next “I’m totally stupid on the legalities” question is:
So lawyers can just throw anybody under the bus, destroy their lives by written accusations in formal court documents, and force them to defend themselves in court against spurious accusations, and there is no consequence toward the lawyer for doing so?
Breaking News….Casey Anthony’s Attorneys File Motion to Name Kevin Bacon as Suspect!!! lmao
Brilliant sleuthing, Val! Absolutely, brilliant! And to think that I thought Casey was taking the “rap” for Kronk so that after he collected his hero’s reward, and she was acquitted, the two could fly off to Puerto Rico and live happily ever after, his evil sister Samantha having been forced to confess via his meter reader rod, and, Baez, whose career would have been ruined, would travel along with them in order to serve as their butler. I imagined that KC (Kronk and Casey) would pay him quite nicely, out of the proceeds from Kronk’s latest invention. You know the one, the little tin foil hats made exclusively for cell phones which serve to scramble signals that worked so well for the two of them. Patent is pending, and I just don’t understand why the state hasn’t picked up on that one yet. But anyway, I came to such conclusions knowing so well how terribly attracted Casey is to men dressed as women, impersonating their sister’s, who can run in 4″ heels and not trip, while screaming like little girls! But then again, it may have been the rod.
I am so pleased to have been so amiss, and find great comfort in knowing that at long last, justice will be served. Casey will be set free, set off to Puerto Rico where she will hook up with Samatha, whom she initially met at Fusion. Samantha is, of course, the beneficiary of her brother’s estate which includes the proceeds from his invention, and Kronk will receive the lethal injection, which is no less than he deserves. Imagine, forcing Casey to scoot about with a bag of trash in the trunk of her car. The nerve! Casey and Samantha will open up their own little hot spot they will name Con-Fusion! Lee will continue parking cars, and he never will marry Mallory. And last but not least, George and Cindy will move into a trailer park. Justice well served!
Willow
O, and I so hope I didn’t offend anybody.
Okay, Willow, you offended me….NOT.
I think you just won the award though. I love the “Con-Fusion” hot spot part. LMAO.
WOW! My tongues stuck in my cheek now! No doubt the defense is desperate for alternative suspects but its beyond ridiculous now. KC was her own worst enemy.. regardless of scenarios that ZFG fantasy, as you prove here Val, becomes harder to place in any context of logic.. combined with the timeline and forensic facts, as summarized so cohrently in previous post here, thanks for all you do Val, phenomenal only begins to describe it. so ZFG = Kronk or Jesse or Amy or Tony or Ricardo or imagined or.. wait, I got it… KC!
Val, NO way, girl! YOU win the award, a thousand times over! I just added my measely two cents, so don’t give me credit I do NOT deserve! As for offending, I was thinking the mention of the trailer park, and such. I’ve been poor as a church mouse, abandoned, abused, orphaned, you name it, but always a fairly good person, I think, accountable to God before all others (if you don’t mind my saying that) though oftentimes labeled, “There she goes, that woman’s daughter!” Or, “Did you know she lives in a trailer park?” “Look at her! I’d be ashamed to walk around with torn jeans like she does!” Imagine, torn jeans, lived in a trailer park with 4 little boys whom I taught to fish and the like, and none of whom have been in any sort of trouble with the law, by the way. But anyway, too bad I didn’t have the look patented, huh, for as much as it is that my kids, to this day, say that I invented it, and though we no longer live in a trailer park, I still scrub tile and dig in the dirt to plant my roses (which is another story) and prefer my worn jeans to just about anything. Ha! You can take the girl out of the country, but you can’t take the country out of the girl, huh, ValHall?
Willow
Valhall…. this is great. Thank you for making me laugh – love your sense of humor. I’ll be picturing Mr. Kronk holding a meter rod every time I see him in the upcoming weeks lol.
I’m with you 150% when you say that this is all about Caylee. Thank goodness Roy Kronk found her. LE could have found her earlier, but imo they handled Richard Cain appropriately for his negligence. Regardless, she WAS found. The Anthony’s should have been thankful to this man for his persistence, and apologize to him that no one listened, even themselves. But as we all know, the A’s are not about showing decency, nor doing the right thing.
Interesting that the defense is taking this ridiculous stand because in essence they are admitting that their client has lied. She had lousy credibility from day one, but this is just another nail in her coffin…all inho.
Brilliant and hilarious all in one. Love it, Valhall!!
Every time I think I have my stomach back in fair working order the defense jams another spoon down my throat with a new suspect. I’ve been thinking all along that George had better be careful because he was ALMOST there when the child was murdered and he changed his story, with Cindy’s prompting, about the events of the day of July 16th. Kronk doesn’t fit at all…but George could be stretched and folded and squished into fitting into it fairly easily. (Didn’t he go off to the motel with beer, pills and a photo of Casey, too?) Whooaaa-ho…watch out there, Georgie! Don’t think you’re above being placed squarely into the sights of Jose’s run a way gun. That thing is being aimed willy nilly in all directions and heigh ho to Hell with sanity.)
The above scenarios could be true in Casey’s world or maybe it was the mailman…Kronk, being in the area to read meters, could have seen the mailman do it because he was peeping in a back window of the house. (What with his shady past and all.) Maybe that’s how he knew where to look for the body. Have they checked the mailman’s truck for decomposition? I doubt it…those cops only zeroed in on Casey and refused to look at anyone else. It might have been only trained squirrels who had Caylee’s DNA and hair caught under their paw-claws which made it look like Caylee was in the trunk. The spot in the trunk?…about the size of a large pepperoni pizza, I’d say. Squirrels are very clever and must not be discounted as accomplices and the undercarriage of the car might yield more clues. Bring in Dr. Lee again, put him on a garage gurney and shoot him under that car, pronto.
Given enough time and enough cocktails and brainstorming by the defense and Jose’s law students at the college and anybody who ever knew or had any contact with or walked too closely by the Anthonys on any street in Orlando could have done it. What about the tattoo artist? Oh, yea, that was after the child was murdered and during the celebratory phase…never mind. Filipa, good ideas, but the Tooth Fairy is out because Caylee was too young to lose a tooth. We know that Cindy choked Casey but we have not heard that Casey lost a tooth during the struggle. Santa is off the hook, too. The murder took place in July and so the timing is off. It has to be SOMEBODY out of the 2,032,496 people who live in Orlando.
But, come on, we can narrow it down. Let’s all think…the answer is there somewhere.
Con-Fusian – hahahaha!! tin foil hats . . .Willow!
Did anyone see the Matt Lauer interview with Baez and Lyon? Well, I expect a version of Val’s story to be presented in court (if we get there). Wow.
Every time I read this article Val, I can’t help but LOL! Silver is right – you have a knack for the descriptive.
HI LAR IOUS
Val? I have LMAO all morning! Thanks for making my day!
Val
Very good article, and i must say so entertaining.And that is what the defense is doing is “entertaining” this stupid notion. If they wanted to implicate any third party at all, it should have been Cindy.She is the only other culprit that had access to all the implements asscociated with the crime.Why o why did the defenses new PI not investigate her.Im sure the state will now depose the ex wives et all, and im hoping Strickland will throw this horsesheet out, if the state didnt consider him a suspect what gives the defense the right to introduce it in a motion? Desperate times call for desperate measures……Have a great day!
Needed this this morning….feel like banging my head on a wall…but laughter is much better.
I can hardly believe they are doing this…it has become a political game…not whether we are going to lock someone up because they did wrong…but a technicality game where someone who is guilty can get off…
It makes me sick…
Robin in Fla,
Kronk became the enemy of the Anthony’s because he found the body. Nobody was supposed to find the body. A missing child was very profitable and they liked the position a missing child put them in. This new position just stinks. Poor Kronk…his meter rod became a lighting rod.
Psssst! We both live in Florida so I think this might make us suspects, too. I have been to Orlando many times…
We’re probably ok though because a lot of tourists go there, too.
Mimi, as I understand it, Kronk didn’t work the area until mid/late August. He was no where near during the height of the crime. The neighbor, however, O, what was his name? The guy who found the bag of stuffed animals that he presented to Cindy, who insisted they did not belong to Caylee, and so he returned to the wooded area with the bag and phoned police. The cop who came out on that one, blew it too. He made light of the bag and what, tossed it back into the woods? I forget, offhand. One would suppose, Kronk was drawn to the scene due to information in the available documents, and media information; such as say, Jay Wray and her poking around family, why aren’t any of them suspect? Or have they yet to be? And yes, it’s all so heart-sickening.
Willow
This is what I got from the Matt Lauer interview (posted this at Blink’s too – full disclosure):
1) One of Kronk’s ex’s – video tape of her describing how he duct taped her hands one time. When she heard Kronk found the body the first thing she thought was that he killed Caylee. IMO – she has issues with Kronk as his ex. There are 3 video tapes released from witnesses for Kronk’s depo – but they only played a snip of this one.
2) Lyon said, (paraphrasing) “…what we think is that there is as much circumstantial evidence implicating Roy Kronk as there is Casey Anthony. Kronk called his son a month before the discovery and said, ‘I’m going to be famous, on tv’, Kronk is the only one that has a physical link to the body, more but I can’t recall!
3) Lauer asked about insects found in trunk of car – Baez said just because the police says its so doesn’t make it so. Will be highly disputed in court.
4) Lauer asked about the laundry list of evidence, 31 days, lies, awful odor in trunk, partying, etc. Lyon said the state is only asking for the death penalty to get a biased jury – pro prosecution, pro conviction, pro death jury.
Mimi — Ha! Me thinks the whole lotta dem abandoned sanity some time ago.
Lily, dear Lily, I just can’t help myself here, so forgive me, dearest!
1. Let’s call it the rules of Karma (if in fact I put more trust in karma than providence), and “what goes around comes around”. The media attention to Kronk’s having been so allegedly abusive will be his (Kronk’s) punishment for having been so. But tell me, was it Henkel brand, fire resistent, rarely manufactured, from a building supply place in Orlando, Henkel, and does she yet have a sample with the oval logo? And does she know if he borrowed it from George?
2. Of course Roy called his son a month before! He’d already called police twice to inform them of his find, fully expecting that they would investigate! Or, more or less, man whose fatherly abilities are being questioned, reads about a local murder and goes snooping, finds what he thinks are the remains and after reporting it, or trying to report it to the police, calls his son so hoping to rectify his image and become even an hero for rescuing a dead little girl from her watery grave, “Hey Son! Guess what Daddy did today!” But, we all know what happened with that.
3. Hummm … Squirrel droppings?
4. Another Baez/Lyons comment not worthy of response.
You have a great day, Lily! Everyone! I gotta go off to work for a while.
Willow
oops!!! 3. Squirrel droppings on the napkins, of course!
I ‘m still amazed how Cindy Yorkshire terrier has consistently avoided the ” genaral slauthering”, after all, it had access to the house!!!!!
OMG!
Just checking in & Willow has me crackin’!
Haven’t even got to finish reading cuz just had to take five.
Telling ya, went to sleep with this on my mind & had such nightmares–I fell thru the Rabbit Hole right into the ANTHONY house! Yes, of ALL places! I could hear their voices every where (George, you think we can make this work? GEORGE…??? You promised me it was PIZZA an’ I believed you! GEORGE!) but couldn’t see them……There were Vermin crawling all over me! Yup. Big. Fat. Rats. Then, guess I was screeching in my sleep–George!–and my DH woke me up, saying honey, we gotta talk. Ruh roh.
Seriously though, can the defense just go around telling the court hey, despite all the investigating & money spent on experts, FBI, FDLE, CIA etc etc, that there’s a brand new suspect? I would think there’d have to be some real evidence, not just dirt dug up to make a witness appear hinky???
Val-You are a riot!!!
Did Kronk put the duct tape (sloppily & crooked) on the gas can too?
OMG Julie!
He had to have because we know darned well George didn’t!
I dunno….did they ever ask George that question? Did he answer it? If they asked him & he answered, it must have been a REALLY SHORT passage in the transcripts, right? haha
Well, they are ordered to come up with “PROOF” someone else put the body there after Casey was locked up. Guess they are working overtime to fix Todd Macaluso blunder in court.
In Sessions now reporting on the Kronk allegations. LKB on now. Ugh.
Sorry, And JB.
Baez to be on Issues with JVM @ 7pm tonite. Other than that, I can’t believe these defense lawyer’s–every time Vinnie Politan asked what is it they found out that would be useful to THIS case, they deflected back to the ex-wives, obviously they’ve lerned nothing that would connect him to any of the A’s including Casey or Caylee. They are SO playing the media today it is sickening.
I’m taking a break from this entire case, gonna go x-mas shopping for my boys (of course DVR the show tonight for a later time) go break the tree out of the shed and read my new S King book!
See you all later!
BTW, Val & Silverspur I’m glad you enjoyed my comment–sometimes a bit of levity is much needed in such an angst provoking case like this!
Val,
Is Baez trying to win worst defense attorney of the year? Is he hoping the conviction will get overturned based on attorney incompetence?
Your Kronk scenarios were so funny-I would love to see them made into short cartoons.
Thanks for the laugh!
tob
“He then must ram a script in Casey’s hands telling her what to say and do (which includes coming up with Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez and her evil sister Samantha), and run screaming like a mad man from the house with his meter-reader rod in hand????
STOP, Valhall!!! You’re killing me!!!!! I have been laughing so hard through your post that my face and my stomach are actually sore! I’ve bookmarked this post ensuring hilarity on any future dark days. Thanks, thanks, thanks . . .
Val-
I am late here, I know.
The question you posed is NOT a “stupid on the legalities” question.
There are 2 rules of professional conduct guiding attorneys which are at odds here (ok-more, but I will limit it to these two for now, and simply even those rules just for the sake of brevity).
One is that an attorney must zealously represent one’s client.
The other is an obligation of candor to the tribunal (the court).
While I would like to go in depth about the rules of professional conduct AND the rules of evidence (which the defense is attempting to circumvent with this “motion of limine”, which is a pre-trial motion typically filed to PRECLUDE the admissibily of certain evidence–and not to seek court approval to ADMIT said “evidence”
…
I will simply reiterate my personal, professional opinion about this:
They are DESPERATE.
(and perhaps they are trying to preclude a post-conviction claim of “ineffective assistance of counsel”??)
Listen:
There is a PLETHORA of evidence against Casey here.
The fact that the defense not only ADMITS that in this motion, (???!) but does a piss-poor job at summarily asserting/arguing that some obviously biased, otherwise entirely inadmissible, and quite old and questionable “character evidence” against the guy who called LE to report a suspicious discovery…
to me just screams D E S P E R A T I O N.
Do I excuse it on an ethics level?
HELL NO.
But I think everyone who seeks justice for Caylee should consider how entirely desperate they are–as clearly evidenced by the filing of this motion–and its contents–, and find some modicum of comfort in this.
BTW-
The trial court (Strickland) has the discretion regarding the admission of evidence at trial, and his ruling(s) will not be disturbed by an appellate court, absent a finding of a manifest “abuse of discretion”.
I highly doubt it, but should he permit the defense to introduce this otherwise inadmissible evidence…
I see an upside for the State, because it is so absurd; because there IS evidence connecting Casey–and not Krunk–or anyone else– to the crime; because there is ample room–and fodder with which–to cross examine these obviously biased/prejudiced folks from Kronk’s DISTANT past; because.. WTF… it goes against EVERYTHING Casey said to LE, and EVERYTHING that she did during the 31 days!
It could actually serve to trap the defense in ways that even the “Zanny” stories did not (though coupled with the Zanny story/stories…. Who could believe a WORD of what they say, which will be abundantly clear to anyone serving their civic duty on the jury in this case).
I’m sticking with my initial read on this: D E S P E R A T E.
# Willow
November 20th, 2009 – 8:02 AM
“Mimi, as I understand it, Kronk didn’t work the area until mid/late August. He was no where near during the height of the crime.”
Oh, yes he was! You just wait until the trial…and then you’ll see.
If Baez wants Kronk to be there then he can make him be there any old time he wants to. It’s HIS circus and he owns it and he can run it any way he wants and you can’t stop him and nobody else can either. So there. Casey is only the CEO and George said so. Baez is bigger than her. ..he’s the biggest one of all.
(Biggest one of what?)
Back to reality: Read this, please, and especially last 2 paragraphs.
Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer on Casey Anthony Case
Does Casey’s Defense Have No Sense Of Decency?
Posted in Latest Posts by billsheaffer on November 20, 2009
WFTV legal expert Bill Sheaffer
WFTV legal expert Bill Sheaffer
Filing and publicizing the latest so-called ”Motion in Limine” by the Anthony defense team, which would now seem to include Brad Conway, lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony, is an all-time low on a grand scale, even for this crew. This so-called defense tactic, designed to shift the focus of blame away from their client Casey Anthony, is neither new nor unusual in this case. It seems to have begun with allegations against Zenaida Gonzales, then, Jesse Grund, a former Casey boyfriend, to now a very vicious and public attack on an innocent citizen, former Orange County employee, Roy Kronk, the poor soul who had the misfortune to discover Casey Anthony’s handiwork of her little girl’s body dumped like garbage in the woods.
Casey’s defense lawyers would have us believe that Mr. Kronk killed the child and dumped her body in the woods so that he could later claim to “discover” the body for some financial gain, all the while risking becoming a lead suspect in her death, subjecting himself to prosecution therefor, and the possibility of the death penalty. Of all the allegations contained in the subject defense motion, there is not one scintilla of evidence connecting Mr. Kronk to the Anthony family, or little Caylee, prior to her death. Instead, the motion contains nothing but a series of nasty attacks and allegations from individuals, all of whom have clear and obvious motives to fabricate and spin their recollections, regarding Mr. Kronk’s past.
I find it very telling that not one of these allegations levied against Roy Kronk had been made to either a law enforcement or other governmental agency, prior to the defense investigator’s inquisition. Before we proceed further however, I think it important to address this so-called “Motion in Limine” for what it is. A proper motion in limine, as the title suggests, is a request to the court made pretrial to exclude certain matters from being introduced, or even referred to, at trial. What a motion in limine is NOT is a request to INCLUDE certain matters at trial, which is exactly what the defense has done here. Now, either these lawyers don’t know proper pleading mechanics, the Florida Rules of Evidence, the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, do not possess a Black’s Law Dictionary, or they have another agenda in filing this. Well, let’s just call it an in appropriate motion. I believe it may well be the latter, although, it could well be the former, based upon their earlier filings.
This motion is nothing more than a blatant attempt to deflect and misdirect the court of public opinion from the stack of evidence against Casey Anthony, to the vilification of an otherwise innocent, but perhaps less than perfect, former public employee, by dragging up alleged garbage from his past. By filing this motion and immediately traveling to New York to hype it on the national morning show(s) might cause one to wonder just how easily lead they think the rest of us are.
Bill Shaeffer video with more legal analysis:
http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html
Link above brings you to videos…below the large screen is an interview with Legal Analyst Bill Shaeffer. It is different than written interview and contains some really good info on possible backfiring of this latest motion by defense. (Sorry that link above does not go directly to this video but it is very worth watching.)
Mimi, I stand corrected.
Willow
ROTFLMBO!!!
I don’t know how I missed this post….
The scenarios are a riot here but you forgot to give Kronk credit for one thing that I, as a married woman am grateful for when it happens, and that is, Kronk was mindful enough to put the duct tape back from whence it came whilst he was busy with his task of murder and mayhem.
This is what happened! I am sure of it
kronk ultimatly lost his job, cause the guy was demanding from the county access to a portable John, at all times & circuits!!!!
he just couldn’t go into the woods anymore to relieve himself, even if he closed his eyes to avoid findings…
he feared deep trouble. (one never knows when a PI is “gardening”, or a crime is being covered up)
Better blow off your bladder, then ending up in Guantanamo Bay!
I’m with you Roy!!
Just feel a bit sad,since the guy KNEW there was a dead body there, for almost 4 months….yet SO STUPID HE IS, he didn’t call Crimewatchers to get the reward for finding the remains…..instead, he called LE to go and check it out!!!……………………hum, all planned to me!
The Tooth Fairy is not a suspect? Didn’t I read somewhere that Cindy said Caylee had 20 teeth, where as the remains only had 18?
OR Casey passed out on the couch, Caylee wandered outside alone and met up with the friendly meter reader who dispatched her after ducting her mouth. Casey wakes up and finds her deceased daughter in the garage and, being Casey, flips out more worried about her beau and what her parents will do to her and puts on a sticker and bags the body. She begins the parade of lies in that wild animal state, pretend everything is fine and they wont catch you.
It is a dang shame Kronk did not just make a scene in August when he felt the officer was inept in his search. The resources were available if just for the right phone call.
How many jurors will need the seed of possibility w/Kronk to let Casey get away with all of this?
You are so right, Valhall, we really MUST laugh at this. We should laugh loud enough for the defense to hear us! It’s the only sane response.
Can you imagine being in the first “meeting” when this was discussed? “We’ll tell them Roy Kronk duct taped Caylee and put her in the cylindrical laundry bag from the top shelf of the garage . . . ” What the . . . what? What is wrong with them. How can it be that they are SO broken?
In my opinion this is the lowest the defense has gone. As if knowingly framing an innocent man isn’t rotten enough, they do it to the very person who discovered Caylee’s body. Disgusting and disturbing. I hope and pray that Strickland will punish them for that.
OMG Valhall!!!
Can’t stop laughing!!! It’s the first time I read this article and I can’t stop laughing… “I am going to get you my pretty”… you are so hilarious!!!! Thanks for explaining for us how “ridiculous this Mr. Kronk did theory” is!!!!
I know it’s a sad story but in this madness we have to find a way to laugh at this “defense team” which is turning out to be so ridiculous, they have no idea!!!!
Your reasoning is fantastic!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
Now back to the second article!!! I need to laugh.
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