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The infamous Google searches that were conducted on the Anthony desktop, and which may or may not come into play in the trial, were conducted in March 2008 – three months before Caylee’s murder.  They consisted of searches of the terms:  chloroform, chloraform, alcohol, acentone, peroxide, one tree hill, one tree hill 100th episode, how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking and shovel.  In addition there is a visit, resulting from one of these searches, to a chapter entitled Personal and Household Articles as Weapons from a book entitled Self-Defense for Women.

In looking at whether the Google searches could have been made by anyone other than Casey we first have to establish whether they were done on her user account of the desktop or on the family user account.  The computer forensics files released in discovery do not answer this question because these particular searches were found in unallocated space of the HP desktop.  Unallocated file space can be defined as a dumping ground for any data that is erased or deleted – even if that deletion occurs in a format of the hard drive.   Many people have the misconception they can simply format their hard drives and permanently removed all the data.  This is not true from a forensic standpoint and should be kept in mind when donating a computer for charity.  If you really want to protect yourself, you should spend a few dollars to get a cheap hard drive and replace the drive before donating the computer.

The unfortunate part of the Google searches being in the unallocated space is that it doesn’t necessarily preserve all the identifiers for those files.  For instance, deleted files in unallocated space can come from multiple user accounts on a single computer.  While there may be additional forensic information that has been gleaned from the investigators concerning which user account the files in the unallocated portion of the desktop attach to, we have not been made privy to that information.  The reason this is important is that the Google search files found in the unallocated space of the Anthony desktop clearly show files from more than one user account.

Casey Anthony had her own user account on the desktop.  It is a very safe and confident assumption that she created this user account in order to prevent her parents from accessing her files, or reviewing her activities on the desktop.  I contend that there are certain Google searches found in the unallocated space of the desktop that were conducted on the family acccount, and others on Casey’s.  This made apparent by the fact that there were searches, on two consecutive Saturdays (March 3rd and March 15th) on how to get rid of fleas.  These searches included looking at certain flea eradication products such as Capstar and Advantage, as well as visiting sites such as deadfleas.com.  These were undoubtedly conducted on the family account on the desktop and if I were guessing were probably conducted by George, but possibly by Cindy.

But the more potentially “nefarious” searches were most likely conducted on Casey’s account.  Like I said previously, investigators may have  additional information on these unallocated files that definitively tie them to one account or the other.  Hopefully this will come out in court.

Another reason it seems apparent it was Casey conducting these searches, and by default on her own account, is that except for one time period in which these searches were conducted, she appears to be the only person home.  The first searches for chloroform, chloraform, alcohol, acetone and peroxide were conducted on March 17th from 1:43 pm to 1:55 pm.  We can definitely rule Cindy out on these searches because, according to her time sheets, she was at work during this time.  But we cannot necessarily rule George out without the actual user account the searches were made on, because, according to his time sheets, he was not working this day.  But maybe we can pull in more information that helps us rule him out for the March 17th searches.

On March 19th, from 10:30 to 10:41 am, searches are made on one tree hill and one tree hill 100th episode.  This is the much talked about One Tree Hill episode in which a nanny kidnaps the child of a main character.  From Cindy and George’s time sheets we find that Cindy worked from 8:30 am to 6 pm and George worked from 7 am to 5 pm.  So we can have relative confidence Casey conducted these particular Google searches.

The we come to March 21st.  On this date, between 2:16 and 2:28 pm, some one on the Anthony desktop conducted searches for how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking and shovel.  They also visited the previously linked Google book on self defense for women.  Cindy’s time sheets show she worked from 8:30 am to 6 pm on this date, and George’s time sheets show he worked from 7 am to 5 pm.  Again, we are left with a relatively high degree of confidence it was Casey conducting these searches.  Which is why we can now establish, with a signficant degree of confidence, that it was also Casey conducting the searches for the same terms on March 17th.  Logic would hold that unless the whole Anthony clan were obsessed with chloroform, that if Casey was looking up information on chloroform on the 21st, she is most likely the same person conducting similar searches on the 17th.

As stated previously, the entire reason for creating a separate user account on a computer is to privatize the activity and content in that account.  I personally do not believe Casey would have shared her user account password with Cindy or George, but I also can’t prove that at this time.  However, it is something that will be proven out in court with questioning.  In the July 30, 2008 interview between Cindy and the FBI (13:15 minutes into video), she refers to not having this password and needing it in order to get information from Casey’s account.  However, in the July 25, 2008 jail visitation between Lee and Casey (14:45 minutes into video) we learn that Lee already knew the possible user name for that account.  We know this because in that visitation when Casey gives the password for her desktop account, rico234, Lee says he has already tried that and it doesn’t work.

This brings up some questions that will have to be answered in court (and they will be, I assure you):

1.  Was the password to Casey’s account on the desktop EVER rico234?  Possibly not.

2.  Was the password to her account previously rico234 and then she changed it on the morning of July 16th while she and Cindy were mucking about on the computer?

3.  When did Lee learn of the rico234 password, and from whom?

In Lee’s 2009 deposition with the prosecuting attorneys, on page 182, he states that before he went to Tony’s apartment to get the laptop he went out to the patrol car where Casey was sitting and asked her for her passwords to her various accounts.  But the SA does not question Lee as to whether those passwords included the password to her user account on the desktop.  This is what needs to be asked during the trial.  If Cindy and George testify they never knew Casey’s user account password, and Lee testifies he did not learn of “rico234″ until the night of July 15th, then this will establish with a great deal of certainty that the searches were conducted by Casey.

Valhall.

References:

http://www.forensics-intl.com/def8.html

I would like to resurrect this post.  During our original discussion concerning this article, it was stated by several they believed the Jay Blanchard Park scenario may have been passed to Lee via Baez in a letter from Casey while she was in jail.  I have concluded that is not the case (I can’t say it is impossible, but I think it highly unlikely).  One of the points toward this scenario that Lee received the JBP scenario in a letter from Casey was based on a text he sent to Cindy referring to individual letters Baez had for each of the Anthonys from Casey.  However, this text was on August 3, 2008, as seen below:

In Part 4 of the interview Cindy had on July 30, 2008 with the FBI, 4 days before Lee’s text about letters Baez had for them, Cindy first reveals the Jay Blanchard Park scenario beginning at timetag 17:45 in the video.  And like the psychotic mother she is – the one who wants to make sure BOTH of her children are sitting in jail by the time this thing is over – she puts the entire origin of this story over on Lee; stating that Lee has all the details because “Casey told him”.  But Casey didn’t tell Lee any of this, and as George revealed in his 2009 deposition (and detailed below), the Anthonys came up with this scenario while “brainstorming”.

In Part 5 of the interview, at about the 14:10 timetag, Cindy starts going over the “timer55″ issue stating that, again, all this information came from Lee and that Casey had told him that the timer55 referred to 55 days Zanny had given her to “learn her lesson”.  This, as well, is tied to the Jay Blanchard Park scenario that had not yet been discussed between Lee and Casey in any phone call or visitation. When we add in the fact that Lee shares in his deposition that he did not hear the Jay Blanchard Park scenario until about 2 days after Casey was bonded out by Padilla (see article below), we find that Cindy is not only full of shit – she likes sharing it and implicating her own son in doing so.

Valhall.

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Originally posted November 18, 2009 at 5:56 am

We are all too familiar with the first rendition of Casey’s “Caylee got kidnapped” story.  It is what we should refer to as “The Sawgrass Apartments Scenario”.  It fell apart within 24 hours of Casey first “presenting it”  to investigators.  Absolutely nothing was working well for Casey in that 24 hours.  Nobody had lived in apartment 210 of the Sawgrass apartments in over 140 days.  None of the other addresses Casey presented as former places “Zanny” had lived checked out.  Her friends started calling investigators one by one and explaining what a habitual liar she was.  Amy reports she’s been robbed blind by Casey.  Heck, Casey even had to admit she hadn’t worked in about 2 years.  (I have to admit I have envisioned that moment when that was revealed.   Casey in her blue, stolen K-Mart “82″ hoodie, hips a-swayin’, flip-flops a-smackin’, marching down that hall at Universal with purpose, and 2 or 3 investigators following her, and all of a sudden she stops, whirls around and says,

“My bad…I just realized I haven’t worked here in a couple of years.  In fact, I’m not sure I ever actually worked HERE.”)

Fade to black and the rest is history…Casey goes to jail.  And let’s be honest, Casey went to jail on July 16th, 2008, for LYING.  Contrary to what Cindy would have us all believe, when you lie to a law enforcement officer who is investigating the disappearance of your own missing child, it is, in fact, a crime!

We have all heard the audio tapes of the phone calls (two) that Casey made from jail to her family.  We have watched the videos of the family visitations between her and her parents as well as her and Lee.  And we have now read the depositions of George, Cindy and Lee.  So let’s try to figure out who thought up the “Jay Blanchard Park Scenario”.  You know, the one where Zenaida puts the smack-down on Casey as they sit on a park bench, tells her she doesn’t deserve Caylee, hands her a “script” and tells her the whole world will get nuked if she doesn’t follow it, while Zenaida’s evil sister Samantha whisks Caylee into a Silver Ford Focus (brand new due to the fact Zenaida’s daddy had just bought it for her because of the imaginary wreck she had been…in…just…days…

Wait a minute?  Zenaida hadn’t been in a wreck yet.  She didn’t have a new Silver Ford Focus on June 16th that her daddy had bought her, because her wreck wouldn’t happen for another week or so.  Hmmm…oh well, that’s just a technicality…back to the story…)

and they drive off with dust a-billowing, Focus a-blazing, laughing like a combo of Vincent Price and the Wicked Witch of the West and hollering “I’ll get you my pretty!” while Casey…sits there?…watches?…reads her myspace alerts?…calls Tony to see what movie he wants to rent?…reads the script?  I’m not real sure what Casey was doing during that part, but that’s just another technicality.  Let’s just say she was “kerflunkeled” by the whole situation.

So who thought up this scenario, and when?  And how did it get passed to Casey as “the fix” to replace her “Sawgrass apartment scenario”?

First, let’s establish that Casey did not think of this.  We can do that with relative confidence.  Because she does not speak of it, hint at it, or pass it in the “code” Cindy would have us believe was being transmitted between her and Casey in the phone calls or the jail visits.  In fact, Casey only briefly mentions Jay Blanchard Park, almost in passing, as one of several places that are “familiar” places when asked by Lee to give areas he should be looking into.  And when she responds to that she just states that is one of several areas that Zenaida would take Caylee when she was performing her imaginary nanny duties.  When Casey responds to that question from Lee and includes Jay Blanchard Park, there is no wink-wink, finger tapping, hand signals, or “listen carefully” involved.  In fact, it went like this…blah blah blah, absolutely, blah blah blah, Jay Blanchard Park, blah blah blah, absolutely, blah blah blah.  No differentiation between the Park and the blah.

So now we have three depositions for Lee, Cindy and George.  In all three of those, prosecutors are careful to ask “have you received written communications from Casey” – all three answer no; “have you seen written communications that were shown to you” – all three answer no.  (By the way, that last one translates to “Has Baez shown you written communications from Casey?”)  Lee was adamant.  No letters were received, or seen by him from Casey before she was bonded out of jail the first time by the Padillas.  But we find a really interesting “oops” moment  – a virtual treasure trove of a “I shouldn’t have said that” moment – in George’s deposition, starting on page 263.  The prosecutor is quoting George on a previous interview:

Okay.  I’m sure my — I don’t know if my wife told you, but Blanchard Park, you know, Orlando is something else that came up.  Supposedly this is a scenario that Jesse held my daughter down when someone grabbed my granddaughter.  Blanchard Park comes up again.  I don’t know.  I don’t know.  Do I want to go there and look and watch?  Sure.

Let me just insert…*blink* *blink*

Then this Zenaida thing came up, and there’s — and there — Zenaida supposedly was there with Caylee and Casey.  Zenaida held my daughter down and her sister, Samantha, took our granddaughter and left with her.  I don’t know.  This is all just speculation, names thrown out there again.  Again, it boils down to my daughter knows what’s going on and she’s not saying a word.  It boils down to that.  We keep going round and round.

Prosecutors now ask the following question:

Q  Those two scenarios that you mention there, where did those come from?

A  I don’t know if it was something I talked to my son about, or my wife and son, or — I’m not — I can’t really remember exactly how that came about.  It was something that we had p robably discussed, probably different scenarios.  I — I don’t know.  I don’t remember.  I can’t remember what specific date that might have been said to me or something like that.  I just — I don’t remember.

Q  Okay.  This interview was July 31st.  Your daughter was in jail.

A  Uh-huh.  Okay.

Q  Correct?

A  Yes.

Q  This is before she got out on bond; correct?

A  I believe so.  Yes

Q  And as far as you know, had any of you had any communication with Casey — you being you, your wife, or your son, had any communication with Casey other than phone conversations and jail visits?

A  No.  I had no phone conversations at all with my daughter.  Like you just said, the first jail visit I had with my daughter was July 25th.  This is August 1st. I don’t know if it’s something that Cindy and I discussed.  I don’t specifically remember.  There were so many scenarios, so many things that we were thinking about, specific people that we feel that might be involved with this.  There’s a lot of things that we’ve hashed over. We still do to this day.

Q  Were you getting any communication from Mr. Baez, or any of the investigators, or any of their people about possible other scenarios?  Is that where this could have come from?

A  I think that’s mostly from Cindy, Lee and I.  I think the three of us were just brainstorming, just trying to figure some stuff out.

Q  Because apparently, supposedly three weeks after this, or more, when Casey is out on bond, she allegedly gives Lee this exact scenario.

A  Maybe –

Q  Do you have any idea how that’s possible?

Let’s stop there, because George’s rambling brainstorming doesn’t really explain how it’s possible.  Because it’s not possible.  In colloquial terms I call what George just did “running over your own shortblock”.  (For those into racing, you’ll understand exactly what I mean.)  This is almost equivalent to an “extreme utterance”, if you will.  It’s a honest statement that Brad Conway and Jose Baez probably both wanted to shout the “zip it!” command at.

So let’s try to figure out WHO passed Casey the “scenario” that Cindy, George and Lee had “brainstormed”.

In Leonard Padilla’s interview at 22:40 minutes he begins to talk about arriving at the Anthony home with Casey immediately after bonding her out of jail.  At 23 minutes in he states that upon arrival, Cindy says to Casey something to the effect of “You’re a mess.  Let’s get you a shower.”  Cindy and Casey head into the house.  At 26 minutes in Leonard talks about the first morning “after she [Casey] had gone in and showered”, Cindy comes out [from the bedroom area where Casey is taking a shower] into the living room and says “she told me that she had gone to Jay Blanchard Park to meet Zenaida and that Zenaida and Samantha had taken the baby”…blah blah blah.  The “blah blah blah” part included all the details of the new scenario:  Zenaida holding Casey down, Samantha putting Caylee in the 2008 Silver Ford Focus, Zenaida handing Casey a script, etc.  Leonard says, “That’s what CINDY told me.”   Then he says Casey comes out, about a half hour later, and starts to present the Jay Blanchard Park scenario.  That’s when Leonard called bullcrap and Princess Poopie-Pants kicked him out of the house.

Now, Lee claims to have not heard the Jay Blanchard Park scenario until after this.  From his deposition, page 275, he states:

Q  Was there a time during your sister’s release that you and she had the opportunity to have a conversation by yourselves?

A  Yes.

Q  Do you remember when that was?

A  A couple of days after she was released, you know.

He then goes on to explain that he and Casey were sitting on the couch in the living room and Tracy McLaughlin was outside with Jim Campbell (George’s friend from Ohio) smoking.  That’s when he states (on page 277) that Casey tells him:

…And she met her at Jay Blanchard Park, which she said it was a normal spot for them to meet.  You know, they had met there plenty of other times.

Q  Before she told you that, did you ever know that?

A  No.  Again, I didn’t know of a Zanny to begin with, you know, so it was — it was new to me.

Of course, if George is being honest in his “oops” moment, and all three of them (Cindy, George and Lee), were involved in the “brainstorming of scenarios”, it would not be the first time he had heard of it, now would it?  It would be the first time he had heard it from CASEY.

Let’s now visit the audio of Tracy McLaughlin’s interview with OCSO on 09/19/2008.  At 6:15 minutes in Tracy confirms that upon arriving at the Anthony home from the jail the first thing Casey does is to take a shower.  At 17 minutes in she tells about when her and Jim go outside and leave Casey and Lee on the couch alone.  She states this happens a couple of days into Casey’s release.

So to wrap this up, we have Cindy, George and Lee “brainstorming scenarios” while Casey sits in jail the first time.  They all three have sworn in formal depositions with the state they received no writings from Casey, nor were shown any communiques from Casey during that time.  We have the audios of phone calls and the videos of visitations and Casey does not even hint at something occurring at Jay Blanchard Park.  We then have Casey coming home and being immediately escorted by Cindy to take a shower, Cindy spending some amount of time back with Casey while she is allegedly taking a shower, and then Cindy coming out and telling the whole detailed Jay Blanchard Park scenario for the first time.  Shortly after that, Casey parrots the same story for the first time to Leonard.

To me, it doesn’t seem like a hard cookie-crumb trail to follow.  To me it appears Casey has never had to worry about a back up story, she had a whole writing staff working extra hours for her.  What we’ve learned here is that Casey is, indeed, a quick study, and the director in this play made sure she had her lines straight and that she was presentable, and fresh as a daisy, before going on stage to deliver.

Valhall.

The old thread is beginning to load much too slow, so I thought I would create a new one for random discussions on the Casey Anthony case.  You may read the old thread here.

Valhall.

There has been ample discussion about the rapid-fire phone calls made by Casey to Cindy’s cell phone and the Anthony home on the afternoon/evening of June 16th, 2008 as well as on June 18th. Some believe that the first “flurry” attempts at trying to get Cindy on the phone may have been an indicator that an accident had happened that had harmed or killed Caylee. I do not believe this. I believe this was Casey attempting to hand Caylee off to Cindy so that Casey could spend her evening with Tony. And I believe this “flurry” immediately precedes the murder of Caylee.

The main reason I believe this is that this was not a-typical behavior of Casey.  And not answering Casey’s phone calls was not a-typical behavior for Cindy either.  This dysfunctional family appears to have used not answering the phone as a way to force Casey into the responsibilities of being home for Caylee, and I hope to prove this out by looking at the calling behavior of Casey in the weeks preceding the 16th – the day Caylee was murdered.

Stepping all the way back to June 1, 2008, we see that at 8:51 pm Casey is at Tony’s apartment.  There is a call made from the Anthony home to her cell phone which she does not answer and lets go to voicemail.  She immediately listens to the voicemail, which is most likely Cindy telling her she needs to come home and take care of Caylee.  Casey does not react to this phone call for 26 minutes.  She then begins to try to call the Anthony home and Cindy’s cell phone beginning at 9:17 pm in “rapid-fire” style.  In a matter of 4 minutes she makes 7 calls to the home and Cindy’s cell phone.  None of these calls are answered.

This is the method the Anthonys used to get Casey home.  Cindy would call and either get her, or leave a voicemail, with a content that was most likely “get home now”.  Then they would NOT answer her phone calls because they knew it would be her wanting to give a “work excuse” or whatever for why she couldn’t come home and tend to Caylee.  If we look at June 1st as an example, we see this method worked to some extent.  While Casey still didn’t come home for hours (apparently until after midnight) she did, nonetheless, end up at home that night.

The next example we can look at is on Monday, June 9th.  June 9th (with the exception of the murder of Caylee) is almost a mirror image of Monday June 16th.  Right before 5 pm (when Cindy would be getting off work) Casey begins her “rapid-fire” attempts to try to get Cindy.  Casey is still at the Anthony home at this point.  What appears to be happening here is that Casey wants to drop Caylee off with Cindy, or ensure Cindy will take her.  This is most likely the time of day when Casey would spin her “I’ve got to be working late tonight” excuse for why Cindy would need to babysit Caylee that evening, and Casey wouldn’t be home until up in the morning.  In a matter of 2 minutes there are 5 attempts to get Cindy’s cell phone.  On June 9th, as on June 16th, we see that Cindy does not take any of Casey’s phone calls.

When Casey is unable to get Cindy on the phone she leaves the Anthony home, with Caylee, and heads over to Ricardo and Amy’s apartment where she ultimately spends the night.  Cindy does not return a phone call until 5:42 pm.  That phone call is 6 minutes long and we can only guess that Cindy either refused to take Caylee for the evening, or Casey was giving Cindy the “Caylee is staying at Zanny’s tonight because I’m working late” story.

On June 16th we see the same behavior.  Beginning at 4:11 pm, just before Cindy would be getting off work, Casey begins trying to get her on her cell phone.  In 2 minutes 4 attempts are made.  There does not appear to be anything different about this series of phone call attempts from the Monday before.  Again, it appears that Casey is attempting to set up a hand-off of Caylee to Cindy so that Casey can spend the evening with Tony.  Cindy does not answer any of these calls.  At 4:21 pm Casey attempts Jesse Grund, and I wonder if this was not an attempt to see if he would watch Caylee since Casey couldn’t get Cindy on the phone.  In 1 minute Casey attempts Jesse twice.  It appears she leaves a voicemail on the second one and then 4 minutes later attempts Cindy again.

If we look back at June 9th, we see that Cindy DID eventually return Casey’s calls – approximately 40 minutes after the last attempt by Casey in which it looks as though Casey left a voicemail on Cindy’s cell.  On June 16th, I’m assuming Casey expected that eventually her mother would call her and then she could work out leaving Caylee with Cindy.  But this time Cindy did not return the phone calls.  At some point after 4 pm on June 16th, Casey leaves the Anthony home, probably with the idea that she would go by Cindy’s work at Gentiva and drop Caylee off with Cindy.

At 4:53 pm Casey’s phone receives a Facebook alert.  She is in the vicinity of Gentiva – most likely finding that she has missed Cindy.  I believe she…and a living Caylee…are in the car.  And Casey has become desperate to unload Caylee.  Immediately after this Facebook alert is received, Casey’s cell phone appears to be switched off for an hour.  Where Casey was for that hour, no one can be certain because of the turned off cell phone.  But I believe this is the period in which Caylee was murdered.

At 5:57 pm when Casey’s cell phone is switched back on a voicemail is waiting.  We do not know from Casey’s cell records who that call was from because of the phone being off.  Was it Cindy returning Casey’s calls?  The reason I speculate that it could be, is because beginning at 6:31 pm a second series of attempts to get Cindy’s cell or the Anthony home phone is made by Casey.  If Cindy had left a message on Casey’s phone telling her she was now home and she could take Caylee, with Caylee now dead, Casey would have to get hold of Cindy and give her a new story as to where Caylee was.

The last “flurry” of phone calls occurs on June 18th just past noon.  This not a desperate attempt to get hold of Cindy or George because something has happened to Caylee, this is Casey trying to ensure no one is home at the Anthony house, because shortly after these attempts, Casey heads to the Anthony residence.  I believe this is when the “ladder” event occurs, and I believe this is when Caylee’s body was “prepared” (i.e. bagged, possibly duct taped, etc.)  This would have given ample time for the unbagged body lying directly on the trunk liner to have created the stain in the trunk.  And contrary to much argument in opposition, I do believe the duct tape would have sufficiently adhered to Caylee’s face at this point.  The motivation to place the duct tape would have been because of the grotesque distortion that was taking place on Caylee’s face at this point.

Valhall.

I know many of you are here primarily for the Casey Anthony case. But I have varied interests that I have written on over the years and have placed in the Library. I just added a category “Miscellany” for just that – writings on various topics.  I also included in that section a writing I did in the 90’s concerning the possible identification of Gog and Magog.  For those interested in this type of topic, I thought I’d just share the addition of this research paper.

Valhall.

Little 7 year old Aja Johnson has still not been found.  Neither has her abductor, convicted felon Lester Hobbs.  With the bitter ice storm that has shut down the state of Oklahoma and the northwestern quarter of Texas, the search for Aja has most likely ground to a temporary halt during the past few days.  But for Comanche County Sheriff Kenny Stradley, she is still at the top of his priority list.  And the Amber Alert for Oklahoma is still active, although Texas canceled the alert they had up for a few days.  And this is where Sheriff Stradley takes issue.

For those of us who do attempt to keep up with Amber Alerts, and have watched cases of missing children go into days before one is issued, we know the flaws of the system.  Sheriff Stradley just became very aware of those flaws, and he isn’t happy.  Neither is the OSBI.  Amber Alerts do not go out on a national level.  Amber Alerts only go out in states that choose to activate them.  For instance, in the Aja Johnson case, the Amber Alert was issued for Oklahoma, and because Oklahoma was able to convince Texas that Hobbs might be headed to his relatives located in Texas, that state also issued the Alert.  But surrounding states don’t necessarily have an issued alert – even if they know their neighboring state has issued one.  In the Aja Johnson case, Texas was the only neighboring state to issue the alert.

When an Amber Alert is issued the information is supposed to be entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center and flagged as an abduction.  But what this does is alert law enforcement, it does not get the word out to citizens who could be watching for vehicles involved in the abduction.

In addition to the lack of a national information system for citizens to become aware to be on the look-out, the criteria for being able to issue an abduction are strict and subjective as well.  So you will see some local law enforcement offices issue an Amber Alert within hours of finding that a child appears to have been abducted (such as in the Aja Johnson case), while other offices will not issue the alert for a day or more – or not at all (as in the Elizabeth Olten case).

While the reasons for such a strict criteria (such as having sufficient reason to believe that an abduction HAS occurred) are sound, they lead to insufficient information being passed in the critical hours of a child’s abduction.  And the same effect occurs without a national information system.  Sheriff Stradley is not okay with this, and he has vowed to work to get the Amber Alert system changed.  Stradley is just one man, but sometimes all it takes is one really upset person to get a change started, and Sheriff Stradley has the support of the OSBI in his complaints about the lack of a national Amber Alert system.

There’s bound to be a way to pull this off while still avoiding the concerns the Justice Department has about all Amber Alerts going national.  The main concern is the desensitization of the citizens if too many are used in the current Amber Alert system.  But it seems if there were a dedicated way to get these alerts out to those citizens who would want to know of ALL alerts within a region of the country, that would go further toward catching the abductor – and hopefully recovering a living child – within that first 24 hour period.

While I’m still praying and watching for a living Aja – the odds are now very much against it.  But maybe, just maybe, she can lead us to a better way of protecting these victims who can’t protect themselves.

Valhall.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3435924

First, I want to apologize to those who have been stuck in moderation due to my absence.  I think I have all your comments approved.  And welcome to the new people!

PRAY FOR OKLAHOMA!  This is terrible.  I promise (with all the sadness that promises kept will bring) there are going to be dead people from this storm.  I live in a very small town that is comprised primarily of low-income and the elderly.  And  you can take that multiply it by however many towns there are in southwest Oklahoma, and get the picture. 

If you look at the numbers on the “impact” of the economy over the past year to year and a half, the statistics will lie and tell you Oklahoma wasn’t hit as bad as other states.  That’s true number-wise, but it’s an inappropriate statistic to quote because it doesn’t take into account the simple fact you can’t lay-off some one who didn’t have a job in the first place.  It also doesn’t take into account that in rural America, when you lose a high-paying job…you go get a low-paying one.  So we’ve got engineers, business manager and all manner working at WalMart and wherever else they can get employment.

What I’m trying to drive home is there is a high percentage of the people in the southwest corner of Oklahoma that when the lights go out and walls on the inside of your home start forming ice have no way to combat it except put more layers on (that they hopefully have) and stay in bed.

The lights started going out in southwest Oklahoma as early as 3:00 pm Thursday afternoon.  The weight of the ice was not just taking down power lines along country roads, it was taking out miles of poles.  I have not got to read or hear a stick of news since I went to bed Friday night, so my news is word-of-mouth, probably like the pioneers.  When I get through writing this I’ll check to see if what I’ve heard is true.

Over 200 miles of poles and line down.  May take a week for major parts of this corner of Oklahoma to see power.

And I’m betting the North Sea is warmer than it is here right now.  It’s murderously cold.

Our power didn’t go out until about 2 am Saturday morning.  Here’s something you rarely have to think about – in a ice storm where 1/4 of your state is going black, being the last to lose power is NOT the position you want to be in.  It’s like being in the last wave of a lay-off, the first people laid-off have already taken what good jobs were available.  Last is definitely not best.

So we woke up yesterday morning to a dark house.  It was tolerable in here, but it was chilling quickly.  By about 11 a.m. we were being told it would be at least 4 days until power was restored, and by that time you could reach in the refrigerator and not feel a bit of temperature difference from the rest of the house.

We are almost completely electric.  So we’re in the dark, we can’t cook, and we can’t get warm.  We have a gas furnace upstairs, but it won’t run unless we have electricity for the fan.  We have one vestige left on the back porch – a gas water heater, that has been replaced by two electric water heaters as we’ve remodeled the bathrooms in the house.  The gas heater is still running and now only supplies the utility room and kitchen.  BUT, since we remodeled in phases, my ever-thinking hubby had placed a valve just off that hot water heater so that it could supply the main bathroom upstairs until we got the second electric heater going.  All he had to do was throw that valve and we had one bathroom with hot water.  But we didn’t bother learning that until late yesterday evening.  We had bigger fish to fry.

Another “feature” of our house is that when we bought it it had one of those old inefficient natural gas floor furnaces in the front room.  It has long been covered over and the draw stack taken down.  The long-term plan was to completely remove it and repair the wood floor where it sits.  I think you’ll quickly find out, yesterday we decided that furnace is NEVER going away.  We discussed at length whether it was going to be safe to run with the draw stack gone.  During remodeling the vent ducting had been broken off at an elbow under the house and so all the vent gases would just dump under the crawl space of the house.  We  put off for a long-time firing it up, out of fear of carbon monoxide issues.

My husband started calling around trying to find generators before noon yesterday.  They got swept up by the people who lost power early Thursday afternoon.  We finaly found a Home Depot about 45 minutes away in a much larger city that was expecting a truck load later in the day.  They put my husband’s name on a list – #141.  They said they would call, BUT it would still be first come first serve….with us 45 minutes away.

We started trying to call the businesses in the larger town about 8 miles away but couldn’t get any answers.  They had all lost power on Thursday.  We decided we’d just head to that closer town and see if some one had any.  My husband had his cell phone in case we got the call from Home Depot.  We stopped at the lumber yard where we do business and my husband went in and talk to the manager. 

He knew of a father/son who had bought a generator about a year before and had just put it back in the box because it wouldn’t draw all their construction equipment.  It sounded to us like they were trying to draw too much, so he called them and we met.  $400 for a 5200 W 20 Amp…that’s a good deal.  But it wouldn’t start, so they were kind enough to tell us to take it on home, they knew where we lived (lol), and we could pay them later if we got it started.

My husband and my son spent about 2 hours out in the bitter cold yanking on that bastard and cleaning out year old bad gas and finally got it running and staying running – except when they put a load on it.  Now we knew why it was still in the box.  It was around this time that we finally threw caution to the wind and fired the floor furnace up because they were bordering on frostbite and needed heat.  We all agreed we’d watch ourselves for headaches, and we agreed we would not run it while we were sleeping.

It was almost 5 and Home Depot hadn’t called so my husband called them and they said they were expecting a truck of generators between 6 and 8 pm – first come first serve.  We headed out.  It took us an hour before we could get headed that way, because now what we discovered is – the gas stations had ran out of gas.  We’re in a gas-guzzling work pickup with half a tank of gas…we finally found a station and filled both tanks as well as 2 5 gallon cans (for the generator – on the hopes we got one.) 

The roads were not good, and we’re driving a 1985 Chevy long-bed – yeah, that’s not your preferred “ice road trucker” rig.  We made it to the Home Depot at about 7 pm and when we walked in the front doors we met the end of the line, which stretched to the back of the building, waiting on generators.

A nice man in front of us told us the 6 pm truck had already come and immediately been bought up.  They were waiting on the second truck scheduled to be there around 8 pm.  We had stood there for quite some time when a young man walked in and said “What’s the line for?” and we said “Generators.”  He said, “They’re selling them at Sam’s Club – 7000 W, 30 Amp – 1000 bucks.”  Well, that was bigger than the one we were standing in line for – it was also $200 more than the one we were waiting for.

Hubby got on the phone and they had 6 left.  He told the lady, we’ll be there in 5 minutes.  So here we go racing through the streets like Starsky and Hutch trying to beat all the other freezing folks.  Of course, being two people who don’t have the luxury of just popping a thousand on a whim, we were planning to use a credit card.  We get there, have to sign up as members, and then find out they don’t take VISA…great.  $1000 out of our checking later and we’re headed back home on the same bad roads.

It was about 10:00 last night when my husband and my son got it wired and fired up and we could start running the upstairs furnace.  That in combination with the heat-belching hole in the floor started cutting the bitterness of the house.  My son, his girlfriend and her two children stayed with us.  They stayed up playing Monopoly until some ungodly hour, and then shut down the floor furnace and went to bed.  I crashed at 11…the generator journey had taken it out of me.

Of course, the upstairs furnace never shut off last night – it won’t for days.  I’m the only one up right now and the downstairs is bitter, bitter cold.  I fired the floor furnace back up just now.  Our nephew is a licensed electrician.  He’s the one who talked my husband through the proper way to wire the generator to the house.  My nephew went to work yesterday morning and at 11 was still out wiring generators.  The majority of his day had been at a nursing home.

The saving grace for most older folks, in older frame houses is that most likely they have natural gas heating.  But there will be some – like us – who don’t have that.  And they don’t have a thousand bucks.  And they can’t get out and spend it if they did have it.  And my heart hurts for them.  They are in the dark – the cold, cold, cold dark.

I probably won’t be on much because we have to alternate what things are powered as not to overload the generator.  I fired up my work laptop to pound this out to you.  But I’ll be taking it back down when I get to read some news.  One thing I wanted to share is that yesterday in the middle of the day I got an alert on my cell phone that they had cancelled the Amber Alert for Aja Johnson.  I don’t know what to make of that, but I didn’t feel good when I saw that.

Sorry for going on and on – we are OKAY, so don’t worry about us.  It’s a lot of less fortunate people I’m worried about right now.

Signing out from the “ice belt”….

Valhall.

Let’s be clear…according to the Medical Examiners office Tonya Hobbs was beaten to death.  She died of “traumatic injuries to the head, neck and abdomen”.  This wasn’t a swift murder.  This was a beating.  A reward of $15,000 has now been offered to anyone who can provide information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Lester Hobbs.

Right now the state of Oklahoma is under a severe winter storm.  It is raining torrentially and freezing on everything.  Right now Aja weighs heavily on my mind.  I hope she is safe and warm.  But then, I’m a dreamer.

Valhall.

http://newsok.com/reward-offered-for-information-on-missing-geronimo-girl/article/3435334

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While I pray no one will give up hope finding little Aja alive, I fear the worst in this case.  There are some extremely hinky things coming to the surface that lead me to believe that Aja may have been murdered even before her mother.  Let me explain.

Aja’s grandmother, Alice Dunkin, mother of Tonya Hobbs, was interviewed by the Daily Oklahoman yesterday and she gave some disturbing information that does not make sense for the scenario of Tonya being murdered and then Lester Hobbs leaving the murder scene with Aja alive.  Ms. Dunkin states:

He hated that little girl,” Dunkin said. “He’s very mean to her. He would all but beat Aja.

Keeping in mind that Lester Hobbs is not Aja’s father, and combining that with the above statement is enough to cause severe alarm.  HOWEVER, there is more to this story that causes the “hinkyness”.  On this past Saturday, when Tonya’s murder is believed to have occurred, Tonya had BOTH of her daughters with her at Lester Hobbs’ RV in Geronimo, Oklahoma.  The older girl, Kerissa Hobbs, is Lester’s biological daughter.  According to what Ms. Dunkin told the Daily Oklahoman, Tonya and the two girls had went to visit Hobbs because he was due in court on Monday for a DUI and he suspected he would be going back to prison on Monday.

On Saturday evening they all had dinner together.  Then – WITH WHOM, HOW, WHEN OR WHY UNKNOWN – 13 year old Kerissa LEFT.  Now, Hobbs’ RV was parked in front of his sister’s trailer house, but Kerissa apparently did NOT go to her aunt’s home when she left on Saturday.  Because the details, as reported by the Daily Oklahoman are:

What happened next is not clear, Dunkin said, but Kerissa apparently left.

She returned Sunday evening to find the door to the RV locked and her mother’s car missing, Dunkin said. She went to her aunt’s home next door, and the aunt used a knife to pry open the RV door, Dunkin said.

When the door was opened about 9:40 p.m., they found the body, Dunkin said.

So, it appears, that this 13 year old was taken to a completely separate location by some one and then some how returned the next day only to find her mother dead and her father and stepsister gone in her mother’s car.  As Alice Dunkin stated:

I’ve sat here and racked my brain about why he would let Kerissa go and take Aja,” she said. “He didn’t take his own daughter, but he took Aja, and she’s not any kin to him.

This makes no sense.  When the Amber Alert was first published for Aja, and not knowing the story about Kerissa, I assumed that the scenario was most likely that Hobbs had killed Tonya in a heated discussion and had left with Aja because she had witnessed the murder.  That alone was concerning enough because I feared Hobbs might do away with Aja to prevent her telling what had occurred.  But now that I learn that Hobbs’ own daughter had been at the home just before the murder appears to have taken place and then for some reason that older girl was taken, by SOMEONE, to another location prior to this murder (or was it prior? – do we know that for sure?), I fear a different scenario.

I’m starting to feel that Aja may have been murdered PRIOR to her mother and the scenario may actually be the opposite.  Tonya may have either lost her life trying to prevent harm to Aja, or was murdered because she saw what happened.  It just does not make sense that Hobbs would go on the lam with a 7 year old bi-polar girl who is not his daughter, and whom he is reported to “hate”.

Valhall.

http://newsok.com/grandmother-fears-the-worst-for-missing-oklahoma-girl/article/3435265

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J.J. Johnson, Aja’s father, held a brief press conference yesterday in which he pled with the public and Lester Hobbs to make sure his daughter is returned safely.  The updates for this morning are:

*  There seems to be confusion about exactly what is covering the missing back window of Hobbs’ 1992 White Toyota Paseo (OK Tag # 577-BPW).  It’s either been covered over with sheet metal or plastic.  Short story is – watch for an early model white Toyota with SOMETHING covering over the back window space.

*  The vehicle has no hubcaps.

*  Lester Hobbs has hazel eyes (first reported as brown) and no longer has the goatee seen in the picture below.

*  There was a possible sighting of Hobbs and Aja yesterday evening in Brady, Texas, which is between Austin and San Antonio.  However, the Texas Department of Public Safety have now confirmed it was a “data error” and Hobbs has not been spotted in Texas.  Authorities state that Hobbs has relatives in Rockport, TX (by Corpus Christi), Oregon and California, but other than that he is considered a transient with no ties.

http://www.kauz.com/news/local/82647152.html

http://www.koco.com/news/22330290/detail.html

Valhall.

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Some major updates – or should I say corrections – to this story.  First off, this morning all reports had Aja’s last name as “Jotson”.  Her last name is Johnson.  Second, it is now reported the back window space is covered in plastic not sheet metal.

Some information that is concerning:

In November, Tonya Hobbs (Aja’s mother who was killed by Hobbs last evening) was in court because her ex-husband, Aja’s father, sued to get restricted visitation for Tonya.  Included in those restrictions were that Aja not be near Lester Hobbs.  When this information is combined with the emergency protective order filed by Tonya back in August for “child abuse”, this situation becomes extremely concerning.  Apparently Tonya had gone to visit Hobbs in Geronimo, breaking the law by taking Aja with her, in an effort to reconcile.  Apparently that was a big fail.  While my sympathies go out to Tonya’s family who has suffered her loss.  She accomplished nothing but to leave a small girl motherless and now has placed that girl in grave danger.

Here’s a picture of the scumbag we’re all looking for:

(Photo courtesy of NewsOK)

Comanche County Sheriff Kenny Stradley put it best on what should be kept foremost in our minds:

Our main concern at this time is to find the little girl.  We already have a tragedy on our hands.  We don’t want two.

Valhall.

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Originally posted on January 25, 2010 @ 4:11 a.m.

The Comanche County Sheriff’s department in Oklahoma has issued an Amber Alert for Aja Johnson, an 8 year old girl from Geronimo, Oklahoma.  She was kidnapped from her home after 46 year old Lester William Hobbs shot her mother to death in the home at approximately 10 Pm Sunday night.  Lester Hobbs has prior convictions.    Court records show that Tonya Hobbs filed for an emergency protective order in August 2009 on the grounds of child abuse.  That was in Lincoln County.  When officers went to serve him he was no longer working at his job and had fled.  On August 18 neither party appeared for the hearing on the matter and the case was dismissed.  Hobbs is NOT Aja’s father.

Hobbs is believed to be driving a white 1992 Toyota Paseo OK Tag # 577-BPW with a missing back window replaced with sheet metal.  Geronimo is located about 15 miles south of Lawton, Oklahoma just east of state highway 281/277 which is also SW 11th Street in Lawton.  Please stay alert in the Lawton area.  Also stay alert along a possible route going through Walters, Corum, Comanche and Waurika, as well as all points south on H.E. Bailey Turnpike toward Wichita Falls, Texas.  Authorities suspect Hobbs may be headed toward his sister’s home in Davenport, Oklahoma.  Davenport is just east of Chandler, Oklahoma and just south of I-44.  This would take Hobbs up H.E. Bailey Turnpike, through or around the Oklahoma City metro area and headed toward Tulsa on I-44.  Please be alert for the vehicle along this route.

DO NOT APPROACH VEHICLE OR SUSPECT IF SEEN – CALL 911 IMMEDIATELY.  HOBBS IS CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS.

SUSPECT:

Lester Hobbs

Caucasian

46 years old

5′9″ to 6′1″ tall

180 to 190 lbs

Brown hair

Hazel eyes

Receding hairline

Lots of tattoos (see list below).

VEHICLE:

1992 white Toyota Paseo

OK Tag # 577-BPW

Back window is missing and replaced with sheet metal.

MISSING CHILD:

Aja Johnson

7 year old girl

Caucasian

Brown hair

Brown eyes

No further physical description at this time.

Has health condition that requires daily medication.

If you have information that will help authorities recover Aja safe and sound please call 580-353-4280.  If you see the vehicle call 911 immediately.  AUTHORITIES ARE CONSIDERING HOBBS ARMED AND DANGEROUS.

Update – List of Hobbs’ tattoos:

I will update as information becomes available.

Valhall.

http://www.koco.com/news/22330290/detail.html

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Amber-Alert-Issued-Out-Of-Commanche-County/zVKBC35z2EaxBlk4ERUNmw.cspx

http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11874077

Update:

Lester Hobbs priors were committed in Cleveland County, Oklahoma:

ASSAULT &/OR BATTERY W/DANGEROUS WEAPON

DUI – LIQUOR OR DRUGS/APCV

ELUDING POLICE OFFICER

RESISTING EXECUTIVE OFFICER

DRIVING W/LICENSE CANC/SUSP/REVOKED

BURGLARY – SECOND DEGREE

This thread is being created to provide an area where readers can post comments to current events concerning the Casey Anthony Murder Trial that don’t necessarily apply to any particular blog post.  If there is some comment you would like to leave concerning recent legal maneuvers, statements by involved parties, news articles, etc.  Please leave it here.  Also, if there are areas you feel should be looked into and worthy of a separate thread, please post your ideas here.

Thank you!

Valhall.

I thought it was worth looking closer at the exchange that took place this past Monday in court between Baez and Ashton concerning the defense team’s claim that they have not received all Discovery.  We are at a slight disadvantage on analyzing this claim since, as far as this writer is aware of, we have never seen the full text of Linda Kenney-Baden’s March 17, 2009 request for Discovery submitted to the FBI Quantico Laboratory.  The only portions of this request we know of are the partial snippets contained within the response from the FBI, as included in the September 29, 2009 Discovery release (pages 5 through 10 of the pdf).  If a reader knows of the public existence of the full request letter by Baden, a link will be greatly appreciated.

So, working off only partial knowledge of the request from Baden, let’s attempt to discern what was not provided to the defense team by the FBI.

Item 5.  “All internal audits and reports for the last 5 years.”

Response:

The relevant audit reports spanning the last five years will be made available for review by the defense or its experts at the FBI Academy, Quantico, virginia with advance notice.

Item 7.  “All DNA Laboratory reports for all testing that has…”

In the response to this request, which appears to have had 12 sub-requests lettered a through l, the following requests are omitted in the FBI response:

g and h (nature of these sub-requests are unknown)

And the following denial is given for request k “‘Unexpected Results file’ or any and all errors…”

Had any such errors occurred in this case, documentation would be contained within the raw data and case file material provided for response 7(a).  Information regarding the last five years is not for documentation relating to the present case or for documentation regarding underlying scientific data, it is beyond the scope of discovery.

Item 12.  “Any and all reports, whether internal or external…”

Response:

Inasmuch as this request is not for documentation relating to the present case or for documentation regarding underlying scientific data it is beyond the scope of discovery.

Item 15.  “All peer review performed on any expert or …”

Response:

This request is not complete.  Information regarding peer reviews can be found in the material provided for response 14, 7(3), and 7(i).

Item 16.  “Any and all ethics disclosure forms filed by any…”

Response:

Inasmuch as this request is not for documentaiton relating to the present case or for documentation regarding underlying scientific data, it is beyond the scope of discovery.

Item 18.  “Any and all microscope slides and trace evidence…”

Response:

Any information regarding notes, correspondence, pictures, files, conversations, and reports would be included in the case files provided for response 7(a).

Any specimens in this case will be returned to the contributor.

Item 19.  “Fingerprints:”

This request seems to have several sub-requests, as indicated in the response.

Response:

Enclosed is a copy of file material generated by the FBI Laboratory relating the Latent Print Unit examination.  This material includes bench notes, computer printouts, chain of custody documents, and all other specific information regarding the case.  A CD Rom is also included with this material containing Latent Print Operations Procedures.

(a-e)  The FBI did not receive Latent Lifts in this case.

Item 20.  “Any and all standards adopted by the FBI…”

Response:

These standards are not part of the FBI protocols.  The Trace evidence examiners make these determinations by utilizing their training, experience and ongoing studies.

Okay, looking at the above responses in which it appears there is either an outright rejection of the request, or a partial response, or even one that the defense might not be completely satisfied with, I find it very hard to believe (but for this team not exactly impossible!) that the defense team would be hammering the snot out of the prosecutor’s office to try to get information that clearly they wouldn’t possess for items 5, 12, 15, 16, and 20.  These are clearly internal documents for the FBI laboratory, and there is no reason for any one (in the their right mind) to think the prosecutor’s office would have these documents.  So I do not believe the contention lies in these items.  If it does, then the defense is blatantly wading in the delay pool…nude and grossly drunken…in broad daylight…with lampshades on their heads.

(Like I said, I’m not saying that’s impossible, just highly unlikely.  After all, at least 2 of these lawyers have to go back to real jobs that require reputations.)

So what is left are items 7, 18, 19 and a closing statement in the FBI response of “Additional discovery documents will be provided as they become available.”   Since we have no idea what parts g and h of the item 7 request are, we can’t really speak to those.  But they are clearly not referenced.  I think it is safe to assume that Linda Kenney-Baden knows her alphabet, so I’m assuming those were, indeed, stuck some place in between f and i.  The rejection on part k of item 7, again, goes back to the FBI and falls within the above listed items that make no sense to be brought to the prosecutor’s office.

For item 18 we see the statement “Any specimens in this case will be returned to the contributor.“  I don’t believe for a moment that the FBI has absconded with actual evidence and is holding it hostage from either the prosecutor’s office or the defense team, dependent on which submitted the actual physical evidence.  And if the defense is saying they have not gotten evidence back from the FBI lab that they submitted (which I’m doubtful they would in the first place), well – how is Mr. Ashton supposed to fix that problem?  Again, it doesn’t make sense.  This defense complaint is obviously NOT about physical evidence.

And then there is Item 19…Fingerprints.  As we’ve discussed in previous threads, the FBI clearly states they received no latent prints in this case.  Now, that was at the time of the response.  That doesn’t mean they haven’t received them since, but at the time of this FBI response (dated August 14, 2009), they had received NO latent prints from the state (or anyone else for that matter).  This is detailed in the released discovery.  The latents that were found by OCSO (and not sent to the FBI) were on items at the Anthony home – CD’s, movie jackets, air mattress and pump, etc.  If this information has not been shared with the defense it is solely the prosecutor’s office who has not provided the information, and this can’t possibly be the issue Ashton addressed in his comments in court because there is no need to get FBI lawyers involved in evidence they never had!

BUT, Item 19 is another multi-subset request as indicated in the response from the FBI, and we have no knowledge of what those various subsets requested, or whether all of them were responded to by the FBI.  The FBI response states that ALL information from the Latent Print Unit work is included in the response and on a CD Rom.  If there have been no subsequent findings by the FBI lab in this area, then THERE ARE NO LATENT PRINTS.  But as pointed out in a previous article, there are several items (including Henkel brand duct tape pieces evidence items #Q66 and #Q104 – WHICH ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PIECES OF EVIDENCE) that are not specifically addressed in the released discovery from Quantico concerning examination for latent prints.  That would lead one to believe that it falls under the last statement of the response “Additional discovery documents will be provided as they become available.”

So here is my question.  We know there is a definite lag time between the defense and the prosecution obtaining information and it subsequently being released.  As an example of this lag, please note we are reviewing a response from the FBI to the defense dated August 14 that was not released to the public until September 29.  Has there been further test results released to the defense and state concerning Q66 and Q104 which have not been made public yet, and for which there has been a subsequent request from the defense beyond what they have been provided concerning those items of evidence?

In light of the fact we don’t know the complete text of Baden’s request to the FBI (in particular do we know all the sub-requests of Items 7 and 19?), it appears the issue the defense is complaining about lies either in subsets g and h of Item 7, or in discovery we have not seen yet but they have subsequent to the September 29 release.

Valhall.